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I thought Repubs were so concerned about voter fraud (even though there are have only been a handful of cases in the last 20 years or so and mostly people who weren't even doing it intentionally)
I guess there's no point in requiring a photo ID at a Republican caucus since we all know the real purpose of the law is to disinfranchise legitimate voters who would most likely vote Democratic
Oh yeah, you can register the same day for the Iowa caucus as well
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brad-friedman/republicans-require-no-ph_b_1173283.html
Republicans Require No Photo ID To Vote In Republican Iowa Caucus
For all of their years of claims that massive voter fraud is going on at the polling place, such that photo ID restrictions are required to ensure the integrity of the vote, you'd think that when Republicans have a chance to run their own elections, they'd be sure to want it to be as "fraud"-free as possible.
Nonetheless, despite onerous polling place photo ID requirements now passed into law in about a dozen states where the GOP controls both the legislative and executive branches, voters will be able to cast their ballot in next Tuesday's "First-in-the-Nation" Republican Iowa caucuses without bothering to show a photo ID -- even though the Republican Party itself sets their own rules for voting there.
Unlike most primary elections where an official state election board or agency sets the rules and runs the registration and balloting processes, the Iowa Republican Party runs its own state caucuses, determines the rules, tabulates all the votes and announces the results to the public and media themselves. They have complete control over the entire process, and yet they don't bother to ask their own voters to show a state-issued photo ID before casting their ballot.
I wonder why that would be?
Actually, I don't. I know exactly why that's the case. Polling place photo ID laws, passed in states where Republicans took control in the wave election of 2010, are instituted for one purpose and one purpose only: to suppress the votes of voters such as the elderly, minorities and students, all of whom have a dastardly tendency to vote for Democratic candidates rather than Republicans. Since only Republicans are on the IA Republican caucus ballot, unlike general elections, the GOP has no interest in disenfranchising their own voters.
While the GOP likes to claim they're attempting to institute these laws to curb "voter fraud," they're unable to show evidence of virtually any polling place impersonation that would supposedly be prevented by such laws. For example, in rejecting the South Carolina GOP's new Photo ID restriction last Friday, finding that that the state's own statistics showed the law would be racially discriminatory, the U.S. Dept. of Justice noted [PDF] that the state failed to point to "any evidence or instance of either in-person voter impersonation or any other type of fraud that is not already addressed by the state's existing voter identification requirement and that arguably could be deterred by requiring voters to present only photo identification at the polls."
That, even as independent study after study has documented how hundreds of thousands of perfectly legal voters are likely to be disenfranchised by such laws.
Of course, if "voter fraud" was truly a concern of the Republican Party, surely they would require that Iowa caucus goers present a photo ID before casting their vote. But, because such laws have never been about "voter fraud," once again this year, the Party will not bother to require Iowa Republicans to present any such ID before voting in the all-important caucuses next week.
According to their own "Bullet-Point Guide to the 2012 Republican Party of Iowa Caucuses," as posted at the state party's website last week, only new registrants, those registering to sign up with the Republican Party and vote on the same day at the caucus, will be asked -- but not actually required -- to show photo ID:
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Think they will be crying about requiring ID come November?
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yeah, repubs need to decide which side they're on. they only harp on this issue when it comes to poor people voting obama. they should absolutely require rich folks voting repub to have their IDs also.
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Voting is a state by state thing you leftist morons!
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All voting is state by state, but weren't Republicans pushing for IDs for people to vote?
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All voting is state by state, but weren't Republicans pushing for IDs for people to vote?
Some states yes, some states already have it, other states no.
My God - just when I thought civic illiteracy was high, 240 and Lurker never fail to surprise.
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Some states yes, some states already have it, other states no.
My God - just when I thought civic illiteracy was high, 240 and Lurker never fail to surprise.
As long as they don't try to make it an issue later on, I don't care.
I like the idea of voting 3 or 4 times... Remember... If both sides are cheating the system, then it's not cheating.
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Voting is a state by state thing you leftist morons!
no shit and Repubs run the Republican caucus in Iowa so why is there suddenly no need for a photo ID?
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As long as they don't try to make it an issue later on, I don't care.
I like the idea of voting 3 or 4 times... Remember... If both sides are cheating the system, then it's not cheating.
I agree with voter id laws. I also think we need a basic civics test as well.
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no shit and Repubs run the Republican caucus in Iowa so why is there suddenly no need for a photo ID?
Maybe there are already safeguards in place.
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Some states yes, some states already have it, other states no.
My God - just when I thought civic illiteracy was high, 240 and Lurker never fail to surprise.
Boo Hoo. Can't make any other excuse for the hypocrisy?
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Boo Hoo. Can't make any other excuse for the hypocrisy?
What are you talking about you ignorant fool? Voting laws are different state by state.
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Maybe there are already safeguards in place.
there aren't
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What are you talking about you ignorant fool? Voting laws are different state by state.
Do you have a problem with not having to show ID in order to vote?
Or only when Dems do it?
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Do you have a problem with not having to show ID in order to vote?
Or only when Dems do it?
Yes. I believe in voter ID as well as civics test(s).
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Yes. I believe in voter ID as well as civics test(s).
considering Dems have higher education levels (as a group) than Repubs I don't the Republicans would go for this
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Yes. I believe in voter ID as well as civics test(s).
Then I guess you will make a million threads condemning the GOP for doing this?
Will wait on the first one... any minute now.
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considering Dems have higher education levels (as a group) than Repubs I don't the Republicans would go for this
33, he is right.
if you had an IQ test to vote - you may have more repubs sitting home. think about the trailer park blocks, the mountains packed with cabins of religious repubs voters who can't read but sure do hates them some obama.
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Then I guess you will make a million threads condemning the GOP for doing this?
Will wait on the first one... any minute now.
The states can do what they want according to the law, me personally - i favor voter id and extensive civics proficiency before being allowed to vote.
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33, he is right.
if you had an IQ test to vote - you may have more repubs sitting home. think about the trailer park blocks, the mountains packed with cabins of religious repubs voters who can't read but sure do hates them some obama.
LOL!!!! You should see the welfare armies in the bronx and brooklyn that vote 99% demo every time regardless.
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I disagree with any kind of IQ test, civics, whatever.
I like the "you have felony, you dont vote", but aside from that...
You KNOW whoever wrote the test would have a bias. No doubt.
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The states can do what they want according to the law, me personally - i favor voter id and extensive civics proficiency before being allowed to vote.
To bad there would never be another Repub POTUS is any kind of test is given.
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To bad there would never be another Repub POTUS is any kind of test is given.
LOL. Peggy Joseph anyone?
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The states can do what they want according to the law, me personally - i favor voter id and extensive civics proficiency before being allowed to vote.
Iowa Repubs passed a voter ID law for the general election so what possible reason could have have for not requiring it in the primaries.
btw - same day registration is allowed during the primary too but not during the general election (to the best of my knowledge)
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I agree with voter id laws. I also think we need a basic civics test as well.
Its been done before..... ::) That's part of the Jim Crow Laws you racist piece of shit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test
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Its been done before..... ::) That's part of the Jim Crow Laws you racist piece of shit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test
Rasis or not, I still favor them. If you need to pass a civics test to get citizenship, you should do the same to be able to vote.
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Again, there would never be another Repub POTUS and twerps like you wouldn't be allowed to vote.
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Again, there would never be another Repub POTUS and twerps like you wouldn't be allowed to vote.
I will completely destroy you in any history, civics, economics, law, test you can find. Go dig one up and even with cheating beforehand on your part I would obliterate you.
You have at best an 8th grade level of civics knowledge.
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What a remarkable thread.......
http://www.usmessageboard.com/education/168013-republicans-are-better-educated-then-democrats.html
I've found plenty of articles saying that all that dem=better educated shit is all BS....I think we've proved that on the board time and again. I have no idea what the numbers really are but take this for what its worth. I have no idea what the bias is but if the NES is non-political then it might be ok. Further...as Barry is abandoning white working class Americans for Minorities..I'd say its right.
Education. Republicans are significantly more likely than Democrats to have 4-year college degrees. The trends for the years 1955 through 2004 are shown by gender in the graphs below, reproduced from a book published by Joseph Fried. These graphs depict results obtained by Fried from the National Election Studies (NES) database
Business community. The GOP is usually seen as the traditionally pro-business party and it garners major support from a wide variety of industries from the financial sector to small businesses. Republicans are about 50 percent more likely to be self-employed, and are more likely to work in the area of management
Income. Low-income voters tend to favor the Democratic Party while high-income voters tend to support the Republican Party. President George W. Bush won 41% of the poorest 20% of voters in 2004, 55% of the richest twenty percent, and 53% of those in between. In the 2006 House races, the voters with incomes over $50,000 were 49% Republican, while those under were 38%
Military. Republicans hold a large majority in the armed services, with 57% of active military personnel and 66% of officers identified as Republican in 2003 link
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Number of Dems receiveing Welfare: 10.4%
Number of Repubs receiving Welfare: 5.1%
Number of Dems receiving Food Stamps, General Aid, and SSI: 23% vs. 10%
Number of Dems receiving Medicaid: 8.2% vs 3.3% Repubs
Then there's this....its done by red or blue states..not by actual dems or repubs.
RED STATES:
Total Number Over 25 97,180,000
Total Number H/S Grads 80,801,000
Total Percentage H/S Grads 83.145%
Total Number College Grads 24,229,000
Total Percentage College Grads 24.932%
BLUE STATES
Total Number Over 25 91,201,000
Total Number H/S Grads 78,345,000
Total Percentage H/S Grads 85.903%
Total Number College Grads 27,522,000
Total Percentage College Grads 30.177%
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And this.....from the quiz like the one 3 posted some days ago.
Republicans Are Smarter Than Democrats
Do you remember that Pew political news IQ quiz many of you took about a week ago? Heres the post: Are you smarter than the average American?
The quiz of 12 multiple-choice questions which you took online was the work of the Pew Research Center. Between January 14 and 17 this year, Pew gave the quiz to a national sample of 1,003 American adults reached on cell phone and landlines. Pew just published the results. The next time some lib troll spews out the Lefts tiresome and erroneous malicious stereotype of Conservatives as uneducated stupid rednecks, show them this.
This is what Pew found:
■Americans in general are quite ignorant, answering an average of only 5.3 questions correctly. Despite their professed concern about the health care reform issue, Americans are most ignorant on a matter that is critical to the passage of Obamacare: how many votes are needed in the Senate to break a filibuster. Only 26% correctly answered 60″.
■There is a gender gap: Men did significantly better than women. Men on average answer more questions correctly than women (6.0 for men vs. 4.6 for women). The gender gap in news knowledge is greatest on the question of which country holds the most U.S. government debt (70% of men answer correctly vs. 49% of women) and the current level of the Dow (45% of men know this vs. 27% of women). On only one question did as many women as men answer correctly that more than one woman is currently serving on the Supreme Court.
■There is a big age gap: Older people (30 and older) scored better than the young (age 30 and below) on every question except the one on Stephen Colbert being a comedian and television talk show host.
■There is an education gap: Those with some college experience correctly answered an average of 5.4 questions vs. 3.9 for those with no college experience. However, even the college educated had problems with the question on the number of Senate votes needed to overcome a filibuster. Fewer than half of college graduates (45%) know that it takes 60 votes.
■There is a race gap: 30% of non-Hispanic Whites knew that it takes 60 votes to break a Senate filibuster vs. 20% of non-Hispanic Blacks; 37% of Whites knew that no GOP senators voted for the health care bill vs. 20% of Blacks.
■There is a party gap: Republicans are more knowledgeable than Democrats. Republicans, on average, answered one more question correctly than Democrats (5.9 vs. 4.9 correct). These differences are partly a reflection of the demographics of the two groups: Republicans tend to be older, better educated and male, which are characteristics associated with political and economic knowledge. However, even when these factors are held constant, Republicans still know more than Democrats. Republicans are even more knowledgeable than Democrats on matters pertaining to Democrats: 48% of Republicans (vs. only 33% of Democrats) are able to identify Democrat Harry Reid as Senate majority leader.
These findings are consistent with the results of past knowledge quizzes the older, well educated, white, males, and Republicans consistently are more politically and economically knowledgeable than the younger, less educated, non-white, females, and Democrats. Notice that the less knowledgeable groups are also the Obama voters!
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The party Chair out there says otherwise.
Despite the presence of Occupy protestors in Iowa, the Iowa Republican Party is confident voter fraud won't be a concern Tuesday night at the presidential caucuses. The Iowa GOP sets the rules for voting, and has decided to allow Iowans to register on the day of the election. However, Iowa GOP chair Matt Strawn insists reports are incorrect that voters don't need a photo ID to register on Tuesday.
"You need to make sure you are a registered Iowa voter in the precinct within which you live. And if you are registered Republican, your name will already be on the pre-provided list at your individual precinct. If you're not a registered Republican, you can register tonight but you have to show a photo ID proving residence in that precinct in order to participant," Strawn said.
Read more: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2012/01/03/iowa-gop-says-voter-fraud-wont-be-problem#ixzz1iRZyW2Ee
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Whats with you and facts..... ::)
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Number of Dems receiveing Welfare: 10.4%
Number of Repubs receiving Welfare: 5.1%
Number of Dems receiving Food Stamps, General Aid, and SSI: 23% vs. 10%
Number of Dems receiving Medicaid: 8.2% vs 3.3% Repubs
Then there's this....its done by red or blue states..not by actual dems or repubs.
RED STATES:
Total Number Over 25 97,180,000
Total Number H/S Grads 80,801,000
Total Percentage H/S Grads 83.145%
Total Number College Grads 24,229,000
Total Percentage College Grads 24.932%
BLUE STATES
Total Number Over 25 91,201,000
Total Number H/S Grads 78,345,000
Total Percentage H/S Grads 85.903%
Total Number College Grads 27,522,000
Total Percentage College Grads 30.177%
And this.....from the quiz like the one 3 posted some days ago.
Republicans Are Smarter Than Democrats
Do you remember that Pew political news IQ quiz many of you took about a week ago? Here’s the post: “Are you smarter than the average American?”
The quiz of 12 multiple-choice questions which you took online was the work of the Pew Research Center. Between January 14 and 17 this year, Pew gave the quiz to a national sample of 1,003 American adults reached on cell phone and landlines. Pew just published the results. The next time some lib troll spews out the Left’s tiresome — and erroneous – malicious stereotype of Conservatives as uneducated stupid rednecks, show them this.
This is what Pew found:
■Americans in general are quite ignorant, answering an average of only 5.3 questions correctly. Despite their professed concern about the health care reform issue, Americans are most ignorant on a matter that is critical to the passage of Obamacare: how many votes are needed in the Senate to break a filibuster. Only 26% correctly answered “60″.
■There is a gender gap: Men did significantly better than women. Men on average answer more questions correctly than women (6.0 for men vs. 4.6 for women). The gender gap in news knowledge is greatest on the question of which country holds the most U.S. government debt (70% of men answer correctly vs. 49% of women) and the current level of the Dow (45% of men know this vs. 27% of women). On only one question did as many women as men answer correctly — that more than one woman is currently serving on the Supreme Court.
■There is a big age gap: Older people (30 and older) scored better than the young (age 30 and below) on every question except the one on Stephen Colbert being a comedian and television talk show host.
■There is an education gap: Those with some college experience correctly answered an average of 5.4 questions vs. 3.9 for those with no college experience. However, even the college educated had problems with the question on the number of Senate votes needed to overcome a filibuster. Fewer than half of college graduates (45%) know that it takes 60 votes.
■There is a race gap: 30% of non-Hispanic Whites knew that it takes 60 votes to break a Senate filibuster vs. 20% of non-Hispanic Blacks; 37% of Whites knew that no GOP senators voted for the health care bill vs. 20% of Blacks.
■There is a party gap: Republicans are more knowledgeable than Democrats. Republicans, on average, answered one more question correctly than Democrats (5.9 vs. 4.9 correct). These differences are partly a reflection of the demographics of the two groups: Republicans tend to be older, better educated and male, which are characteristics associated with political and economic knowledge. However, even when these factors are held constant, Republicans still know more than Democrats. Republicans are even more knowledgeable than Democrats on matters pertaining to Democrats: 48% of Republicans (vs. only 33% of Democrats) are able to identify Democrat Harry Reid as Senate majority leader.
These findings are consistent with the results of past knowledge quizzes — the older, well educated, white, males, and Republicans consistently are more politically and economically knowledgeable than the younger, less educated, non-white, females, and Democrats. Notice that the less knowledgeable groups are also the Obama voters!
link ???
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U asking me for a link...... ::)
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yes ;D
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Who would be right? The Party chair or the state?