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Both in their prime...
..who wins?
I'm thinking if Ali can last more than 3 rounds, then Tyson gets eaten alive. But one can't discount Tyson's awesome power. Ali has to take him into the deep waters of later rounds.
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Gotta go with Tyson.
Dont think Ali would have ever fought anyone with the combo of speed, power, and aggression Tyson displayed.
Then again, Im not a boxing expert, so I could be wrong.
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Tyson - would have loved to see him devour the legend.
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And Rocky Balboa against Tyson ?
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I was in a group of 30 people when Tyson was fighting
Holyfield the 1st time. I had little doubt Holyfield would win
because of the wars he had been through with superior
fighters. I was the only one in the room who thought HF would
win and I was very vocal about it and took some crap for it.
Ali in his prime was incredibly agile and fast. Tyson would win
if Ali didn't have such a good chin. Ali would frustrate Tyson by taking his best punch
and then slowly dissect him. This I have little doubt about.
Tyson didn't fight that great of competition, whereas the 70's was stacked in the heavyweights.
(Tyson fought a guy named Bruce Seldon who was built like a tank but had a glass draw
as one example.)
Please watch at 29 seconds and remember this was in the 15th round.
Frazier hits him with his famous left, right on the button.
Watch how fast Ali gets up from a punch that would have put
most heavyweights to sleep.
(One other thing to add - Ali had been inactive for close to 2 years when he took this
fight and is one reason he had trouble in this fight. We probably didn't get to see Ali's
true prime because he was banned for not accepting the draft against a war he didn't
believe in.
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Wouldn't even be a contest.
Tyson at half fitness would school Ali.
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Frazier gave Ali hell, Tyson although a similar style to Frazier was bigger,stronger,faster and more powerful BUT didnt have fraziers heart Would be an amazing match though.
Sigh was nt boxing great once. What we got now, oh yeh Alexandar Povetkin and Manuel Charr.
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just as buster douglas beat tyson in japan with his journey mans jab, Ali would dissect tyson with the jab and keep tyson back. ali would then deliver 1-2 combo's. ali wins by unanimous discision.
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before the fight, ali, would've mentally destroyed tyson and not been intimidated by him at all. then, on the actual fight... ali, would've jabbed him to death.
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Please watch at 29 seconds and remember this was in the 15th round.
Damn :o What a shot. And he got up like he slipped.
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Gotta go with Tyson.
Dont think Ali would have ever fought anyone with the combo of speed, power, and aggression Tyson displayed.
Then again, Im not a boxing expert, so I could be wrong.
Jesus Christ....Ali fought a prime George Foreman, at the height of George's devastating reign over the HW division, and knocked him out.
So what does Tyson have that Big George didn't?
Ali in his prime would have put a clinic on Mike Tyson's head.
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Ali, does anyone think Foreman in his prime didnt hit hard, please.
Ali chin and jab destroys Tyson.
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Foreman was the hardest hitting HW champ ever. Frightening power.
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Ali, does anyone think Foreman in his prime didnt hit hard, please.
Ali chin and jab destroys Tyson.
People forget how big and fast Ali was.....
I'm not even sure Tyson could beat a prime Frazier, and I was a Tyson fan.
Mike hit hard, but I don't think he hit harder than Foreman or Ernie Shavers.
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Ali would KO Tyson late in the fight after frustrating with his jab and hand speed Tyson in the earlier rounds !!!
Ali in his prime was in 60' before he went to prison when he had the best footwork, after the prison term that robbed him 3 and half years of his prime Ali was still the GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHT OF ALL TIME ( I said the greatest "heavyweight" of all time because the GREATEST P4P BOXER OF ALL TIME WAS RAY SUGAR ROBINSON ) but lost some of his footwork he had in the previous years but he still defeated boxer better than Tyson like a prime George Foreman (not the fat old bald middleaged Foreman version of the 90').
I would add also that a prime George Foreman, back in the 70', would destroy and KO Tyson early in the fight!!!
Nobody beat Ali in his prime, at least over 3 fights trilogy!!! ;)
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Hahaha, Ali is the greatest ever.
He's like the Ronnie of boxing; theoretically someone could be better than him but in real life no one stands a chance 8)
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Hahaha, Ali is the greatest "heavyweight" ever.
He's like the Ronnie of boxing; theoretically someone could be better than him but in real life no one stands a chance 8)
Fixed for truth!
Ray Sugar Robinson is the greatest ever (P4P) !!! ;)
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Jesus Christ....Ali fought a prime George Foreman, at the height of George's devastating reign over the HW division, and knocked him out.
So what does Tyson have that Big George didn't?
Ali in his prime would have put a clinic on Mike Tyson's head.
THIS!
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Jesus Christ....Ali fought a prime George Foreman, at the height of George's devastating reign over the HW division, and knocked him out.
So what does Tyson have that Big George didn't?
Ali in his prime would have put a clinic on Mike Tyson's head.
I never said he was the hardest hitter - I said combo of speed, power, and aggression.
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So what does Tyson have that Big George didn't?
Better defense ,better technique overall and twice as fast .
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Fixed for truth!
Ray Sugar Robinson is the greatest ever (P4P) !!! ;)
agreed
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Early on, Tyson had most of his opponents whipped before the fight even started. Nobody could be Ali at head games.
Tyson would have bitten his own ear off during weigh-in because of Ali's taunting.
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Frazier gave Ali hell, Tyson although a similar style to Frazier was bigger,stronger,faster and more powerful BUT didnt have fraziers heart Would be an amazing match though.
Sigh was nt boxing great once. What we got now, oh yeh Alexandar Povetkin and Manuel Charr.
::) Sorry bud but everyone wasnta ALI or FRAZIER . just like everyone now isnt VLAD or VITALY . Dont beleave the golden era bullshit .
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Tyson wins.... all day
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I never said he was the hardest hitter - I said combo of speed, power, and aggression.
No, he wasn't the hardest HVWT puncher. But after losing to Tyson, Larry Holmes said that he didn't hit that hard but was accurate. He said this as two horn-like lumps were growing on his upper forehead. One of Tyson's most remarkable skills was his accuracy.
What Douglass did to a slightly declining Tyson is what a prime Ali would have done to a prime Tyson. Ali's ability to endure the hardest punches would have been key, though.
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Better defense ,better technique overall and twice as fast .
Well if you can't defend against Buster Douglas and an aging Evander Holyfield, I'm guessing a prime Ali is going to give you a LITTLE trouble.
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Well if you can't defend against Buster Douglas and an aging Evander Holyfield, I'm guessing a prime Ali is going to give you a LITTLE trouble.
;D what he said
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Ali...Ali had a tremendous jab, vastly underrated power and an awesome ability to take a punch. Tyson was a bully with no heart. Tyson woud eat several punches to land one...Ali would sneer at him like he sneered at Foreman when George hit him and Tyson would have started looking for a way out.
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Well if you can't defend against Buster Douglas
Tyson got robbed he really won that fight , after his incarceration he wasn't remotely close to being a prime Tyson.
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Ali would kill Mike.
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Ali wasn't thought of as a knockout boxer but a documentary
I saw made me realize how many fights he won by KO or TKO.
Before he was stripped of his title 23 of his 29 fights were
won by KO or TKO and of course he was undefeated at that time.
He missed 3 years that probably would have been his prime
because although he was still agile and quick, he was never
as agile and quick as he was pre - army enrollment refusal.
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Ali would kill Mike.
Evans gonna kill them
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tyson is the biggest bum boxing as ever produced. no heart no balls no nothing
he might of had power and combinations but it all means nothing with out heart or cardio which tyson had neither.
he couldnt even stand a chance with quarry or chuvalo let alone ali haha
once you didnt buckle from is "so called aura" he aint shit and you can bet your families life quarry would give him the
beating of his life
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tyson wouldnt have lasted 3 rounds with ali!
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Evans gonna kill them
:D
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Ali.
He could take the damage, was super fast, had a tremendous jab, great power, was mentally strong and had a lot of heart.
As was mentioned earlier, Frazier did beat Ali once but I also think Frazier would have beaten Tyson as well.
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People forget how big and fast Ali was.....
I'm not even sure Tyson could beat a prime Frazier, and I was a Tyson fan.
Mike hit hard, but I don't think he hit harder than Foreman or Ernie Shavers.
your a fucking moron!
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:D
Evan scentofpanties would kill them both in the FDB and rear ass spread.
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In his prime, Tyson was just too strong. Early round knockout.
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You realize that even when he was a decrepit old man, Ali was never knocked out...shit, he was only knocked down four times and one of those came when Wepner stepped on his foot to trip him. Joe Frazier's left hook...a far more damaging punch than anything in Tyson's arsenal put Ali down briefly after 14.5 rounds of boxing. But Tyson...a guy who got his ass kicked by a blown up Light heavy...he would KO Ali in an early round?
Fuck that....
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your a fucking moron!
It's actually "you're".
You brainless fucking jism receptacle.
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Tyson got robbed he really won that fight , after his incarceration he wasn't remotely close to being a prime Tyson.
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Tyson didnt train much for the buster fight, and didnt take him serious. If his original coach custamado or whatever his name was didnt die, mike would have kept improving even more.
Mike prime prior to jail = greatest Heavy weight champ ever.
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I'm not even sure Tyson could beat a prime Frazier, and I was a Tyson fan.
L0L
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just as buster douglas beat tyson in japan with his journey mans jab, Ali would dissect tyson with the jab and keep tyson back. ali would then deliver 1-2 combo's. ali wins by unanimous discision.
I totally agree. Tyson was a product of weak competition. Douglas manhandled him. People remember that fight for the infamous slow count, but if you actually watch that fight, you'd see tyson getting his ass raped the whole fight. It wasn't even close.
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Tyson would fold like a lawn chair if you took him past 5 rounds. His early reputation was larger than his boxing talent.
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Tyson was a one of a kind HW, due to him being short for a HW, his defense, and ability to break the distance very quickly. Once Kevin Rooney was gone, he collapsed. But even at his best, Tyson didn't fight such great fighters; Holmes, Spinks, Berbick were way past their prime (Berbick was never such a great fighter anyway) and a one-handed Tony Tucker took him the whole distance. Bonecrusher Smith also went the whole 12 rounds with him and he was just good enough to carry Ali or Frazier's jock strap.
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The managers of Tyson's career were masterful, had him fight tomato cans for a perfect record with all KO's, built the aura.
Mitch Blood Green went the distance with Tyson, and we know what a great heavyweight he was :(
So it is laughable to think that Ali could not take Tyson's early round assault.
Did Spinks even weigh enough to qualify as HW?
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tough to call
add in stevenson and savon
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If Tony Tucker could go the distance, and Buster Douglas knock him out, Ali would make him into salad. Tyson had trouble with tall guys with great jabs-Ali's was the best and he was 6'3"- game over.
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If Tony Tucker could go the distance, and Buster Douglas knock him out, Ali would make him into salad. Tyson had trouble with tall guys with great jabs-Ali's was the best and he was 6'3"- game over.
::)
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Muhammed Ali is from another planet a whole different level then Tyson.
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If Tony Tucker could go the distance, and Buster Douglas knock him out, Ali would make him into salad. Tyson had trouble with tall guys with great jabs-Ali's was the best and he was 6'3"- game over.
TYS0N WASN'T EVEN 50 PERCENT AT THE BUSTER D0UGLAS FIGHT. AFTER HIS TRAINER DIED, HE WENT D0WNHILL FR0M THERE. HE DIDN'T EVEN TRAIN F0R THAT FIGHT. N0RT0N PUT A BEATING 0N ALI AND TYS0N W0ULD MURDER HIM IF Y0U WANT T0 G0 BY THAT L0GIC. TYS0N W0ULD RAPE ALI. ALI WAS THE M0ST 0VERRATED HEAVYWEIGHT 0F ALL TIME.
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Tyson
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TYS0N WASN'T EVEN 50 PERCENT AT THE BUSTER D0UGLAS FIGHT. AFTER HIS TRAINER DIED, HE WENT D0WNHILL FR0M THERE. HE DIDN'T EVEN TRAIN F0R THAT FIGHT. N0RT0N PUT A BEATING 0N ALI AND TYS0N W0ULD MURDER HIM IF Y0U WANT T0 G0 BY THAT L0GIC. TYS0N W0ULD RAPE ALI. ALI WAS THE M0ST 0VERRATED HEAVYWEIGHT 0F ALL TIME.
And then Tyson struggled against Razor Ruddick, lost to Evander Holyfield twice- did he forget to train all those times too? Some of us actually watched all those fights :).
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Ali beat great fighters...Tyson beat a bunch of nobodies. Ali was the best heavyweight of a stacked era. Tyson wasn't even the best of the weak era he fought in. You people who think Tyson would overcome Ali's jab, a nine or ten inch reach advantage and Ali's huge edge in brains and heart are fucking delusional ESPN bred fanboys
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TYS0N WASN'T EVEN 50 PERCENT AT THE BUSTER D0UGLAS FIGHT. AFTER HIS TRAINER DIED, HE WENT D0WNHILL FR0M THERE. HE DIDN'T EVEN TRAIN F0R THAT FIGHT. N0RT0N PUT A BEATING 0N ALI AND TYS0N W0ULD MURDER HIM IF Y0U WANT T0 G0 BY THAT L0GIC. TYS0N W0ULD RAPE ALI. ALI WAS THE M0ST 0VERRATED HEAVYWEIGHT 0F ALL TIME.
Hahahahahaha. You sound like a complete fucking idiot.
He WENT downhill after D'mato died? He WON every single belt and probably knocked out 15 people in between Cus dying and him losing in Japan. It seems the vast majority of people on here that think Tyson is the greatest fighter ever are the ones who actually know the LEAST about him and the qualiy of fighters he faced. Fucking getbig.com man...never ceases to amaze me! LOL
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Tyson was a one of a kind HW, due to him being short for a HW, his defense, and ability to break the distance very quickly. Once Kevin Rooney was gone, he collapsed. But even at his best, Tyson didn't fight such great fighters; Holmes, Spinks, Berbick were way past their prime (Berbick was never such a great fighter anyway) and a one-handed Tony Tucker took him the whole distance. Bonecrusher Smith also went the whole 12 rounds with him and he was just good enough to carry Ali or Frazier's jock strap.
Tyson versus a prime Larry Holmes, not the 40 year old version he fought in '88, would have been a good fight. Holmes had one of the best jabs ever for a HWT and it would have been a good matchup.
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Tyson versus a prime Larry Holmes, not the 40 year old version he fought in '88, would have been a good fight. Holmes had one of the best jabs ever for a HWT and it would have been a good matchup.
I agree. Holmes last great fights were against Cooney and that senseless beating of Randall Cobb. He was already on the downhill side against Whiterspoon already. By the time he fought Tyson he was way overweight and too old of course. But a young Holmes would have given Tyson a hard time as he was very mobile, accurate and had that great jab you mentioned.
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Hahahahahaha. You sound like a complete fucking idiot.
He WENT downhill after D'mato died? He WON every single belt and probably knocked out 15 people in between Cus dying and him losing in Japan. It seems the vast majority of people on here that think Tyson is the greatest fighter ever are the ones who actually know the LEAST about him and the qualiy of fighters he faced. Fucking getbig.com man...never ceases to amaze me! LOL
HE L0ST F0CUS 0F THE SP0RT Y0U DUMBFUCK. HE ENDED UP IN PRIS0N AND HAD N0 MENT0R HE WAS A DUMB KID WH0 NEED S0ME0NE LIKE CUS T0 GUIDE HIM.
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And then Tyson struggled against Razor Ruddick, lost to Evander Holyfield twice- did he forget to train all those times too? Some of us actually watched all those fights :).
AFTER PRIS0N EHH. GTF0
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Both at their prime, what a fight!
They both were robbed of their best years, ali with the draft and tyson with that snake (and its mother) robin givens
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HE L0ST F0CUS 0F THE SP0RT Y0U DUMBFUCK. HE ENDED UP IN PRIS0N AND HAD N0 MENT0R HE WAS A DUMB KID WH0 NEED S0ME0NE LIKE CUS T0 GUIDE HIM.
D'Amaton died when Tyson's record was something like 10-0 or 11-0. He went on to win about 25 bouts after that. The guy was trained by Kevin Rooney for most of his heyday.
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D'Amaton died when Tyson record was something like 10-0 or 11-0. He went on to win about 25 bouts after that. The guy was trained By Kevin Rooney for most of his heyday.
Exactly. It he would have went downhill right after Cus died almost nobody would know who he was. He didn't begin his downslide til 4 or 5 years later.
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If you have seen both fight you would have to be around 50 at least likely a bit older to have seen an Ali from the 60's.
with that said if you are younger than that you have to rely on video wich is ok, however, it is also important to have seen their apponents fight other heavyweights to gauge their ability.
For example; watch Frazier fight Quarry twice or Norton fight Quarry or Petterson fight Chuvalo. then perhaps watch Bruno fight Lewis etc...
A real fan of the sport knows that a young Ali at 6' 3'' and 215 would be able to box Tyson for 15 rounds, I can not imagine Tyson being bigger and stronger than Sonny Liston or have more determination and toughness than Joe Frazier, or shear power than George Foreman.
Could Tyson beat any of them??
So bottom line: Ali rather easy.
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Ali would make Tyson look like a clumsy amateur.
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Ali would make Tyson look like a clumsy amateur.
Still incapable of spelling third grade words I see.
Guess what country? ::)
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Still incapable of spelling third grade words I see.
Guess what country? ::)
Are you ok? Should I call a doctor?
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Are you ok? Should I call a doctor?
No thanks. I'll just ask someone who has the educational level necessary to use a phone book. :D
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Ali would dance around, keep tyson off with the illist jab known to man... and boom... fight over....