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Youtube Comment: guy logic: "Imma beat yo ass niqqa!" "YOU CAINT TOUCH ME LYKE DAT DOG"
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once again, your knowledge of urban life is pathetic, wikiANUS. TX and LA have more bike thieves per 100,000 residence than any other city I've seen. And I'd know, since I had 4 bikes stolen during my youth.
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From the Victim:
GangStalkers Attempted Bike Theft
Apparently: “This is a glimpse of politics in the age of social networking, politics as organized crime. The Black guy wearing black, LBPD say he is Walmart loss prevention. That's right he is on the job during this. The basic message here is that "NOBODY" cares about your safety here. Security will not call police, nor will they intervene. We thugs run this environment, YOU don't know where your at right now...
tummyauto 4 days ago
In case you are wondering why I was filming, yes there is a reason. I am being group stalked in LA. No I am not Paranoid this is happening to people and its real. I have witnesses from the social services institution that is supporting me. And no I don't have any mental health problems. The community outreach from councilwoman Suja Lowenthal's office has seen the video and is working to improve bike parking at the mall but will not get involved in addressing stalking in the district. Quote, "It's pretty far reaching" Ramone Agulare, community outreach.
This is a glimpse of politics in the age of social networking, politics as organized crime. The Black guy wearing black, LBPD say he is Walmart loss prevention. That's right he is on the job during this.
More detailed explanation here.
princeofnetworks.com/2009/09/24/web-2-0-culture-wars-the-end-of-effective-rule-of-law/
tummyauto 5 days ago
Filmed on a Kodak Zi6 attached to my messenger bag. After the video I called and waited 45mi after several calls for police to respond. LBPD officer watched video and blew it off. Said if I was afraid of him he could arrest him for terrorist threat, but since...
Got forwarded to Ramone Agular in Councilman Loenthal's office where it lead to LBPD taking the video as evidence to charge the perp with something when he gets out of lockup. Where he is now for bike theft.
My concern is with the older security guard clearly working with them. LBPD said they would investigate him, and that he should be fired. I rode by him yesterday, he's still there. All they need to do is dump his phone and look for ties to know offenders.
So I think I basically got lip serviced. Turns out the only real currency these days is Public Relations. LB is concerned about it's image to a point so the more eyes view this the more chance there is of Lowenthals's office making enough noise to get the criminal culture turned around. Get the Plat security guard fired... Plat security is owned by an X LBPD BTW...”
Not my video. Guy is in jail now. My first real LL. Enjoy & vote it.
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The guy with the camera is more confrontational than anyone else in that video.
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The guy with the camera is more confrontational than anyone else in that video.
The victim is the perpetrator now? Is that really how you see it? He was threatened with violence and his bike was about to be stolen, yet he is the perpetrator. How in the world does one arrive at this conclusion?
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The guy with the camera is more confrontational than anyone else in that video.
If I saw someone stealing my bike, and was also threatened with being beat-up by the would-be robber
I just might get confrontational too.
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Very good to see, natural selection taking its course.
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The victim is the perpetrator now? Is that really how you see it? He was threatened with violence and his bike was about to be stolen, yet he is the perpetrator. How in the world does one arrive at this conclusion?
What can one possibly achieve in that situation once the act has been made?
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What can one possibly achieve in that situation once the act has been made?
So he should have just lowered his head, walked the other way and said sorry, you can steal my bike? What should he have done in your opinion?
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So he should have just lowered his head, walked the other way and said sorry, you can steal my bike? What should he have done in your opinion?
Adam, I got back from surfing in Devon England last week. The warm scones, with tiptree strawberry jam and clotted cream were divine.
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So he should have just lowered his head, walked the other way and said sorry, you can steal my bike? What should he have done in your opinion?
Answer my question.
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Adam, I got back from surfing in Devon England last week. The warm scones, with tiptree strawberry jam and clotted cream were divine.
August 20, 2008 I made a post about eating TipTree on my Popovers!
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=229869.msg3235198#msg3235198
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Answer my question.
He could have achieved a lot and according to his later comments, he did. He has exposed a crime ring and its all on film. Also, he has the guy on tape threatening him which is a serious crime. With a gun, he may have been able to achieve more. He wouldn`t even have to pull it out. Just having it visibly holstered at his side in plain view would have been enough in that it is doubtful that thug would have "stepped" to him in the manner in which he did.
Its a great visible deterrence.
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I never saw a black person participating in the Tour de France, so I assumed negro's cannot ride a bycicle...
Can't swim either...
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The guy with the camera is more confrontational than anyone else in that video.
People trying to steal your bike and you say nothing?
Isn't it even concerning you when you realize that the dude with Walmart Loss Prevention was helping them as well?
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If I saw someone stealing my bike, and was also threatened with being beat-up by the would-be robber
I just might get confrontational too.
And what would that have achieved?
Even if you so much as shot the guy what does that act achieve? A confrontation that has escalated exponentially...
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I never saw a black person participating in the Tour de France, so I assumed negro's cannot ride a bycicle...
Can't swim either...
american blacks don't like long distance events, and it's not like africans, who excel at distance events, can afford bikes and to ride 25 miles in the plains with lion prides near by, or i'm guessing they'd be pretty competitive in this event like the Boston Marathon.
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And what would that have achieved?
Even if you so much as shot the guy what does that act achieve? A confrontation that has escalated exponentially...
We cannot predict the future so therefore we cannot know exactly the effect of any of our actions or the consequences thereof. However, if you just surrender your life, property and freedom willfully, what else do you really have left?
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August 20, 2008 I made a post about eating TipTree on my Popovers!
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=229869.msg3235198#msg3235198
Yes my friend, the little scarlet version is ridiculously moreish. The first time I ever ate preserve straight out the pot with a spoon! The Wilkin & Sons farm is pretty close to where we live - we have great soil & climate in essex for berries.
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Yes my friend, the little scarlet version is ridiculously moreish. The first time I ever ate preserve straight out the pot with a spoon! The Wilkin & Sons farm is pretty close to where we live - we have great soil & climate in essex for berries.
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Yes my friend, the little scarlet version is ridiculously moreish. The first time I ever ate preserve straight out the pot with a spoon! The Wilkin & Sons farm is pretty close to where we live - we have great soil & climate in essex for berries.
hahaha you live in essex? ahahahahahaahaha
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We cannot predict the future so therefore we cannot know exactly the effect of any of our actions or the consequences that will result. However, if you just surrender your life, property and freedom willfully, what else do you really have left?
Sure we cannot predict the future. What we can do is evaluate risks and likely consequences of our actions. In this particular circumstance perhaps chaining your bike near these types of people or area is not the best option. This situation would never have arisen if the correct risk assessment had been made. Whether your ego allows you to act on your proper judgment is another point entirely.
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Sure we cannot predict the future. What we can do is evaluate risks and likely consequences of our actions. In this particular circumstance perhaps chaining your bike near these types of people or area is not the best option. This situation would never have arisen if the correct risk assessment had been made. Whether your ego allows you to act on your proper judgment is another point entirely.
You see, you shouldn`t have to cater to those breaking the law. The more you give them, the more they are going to take and the worse off everyone is as a result.
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And what would that have achieved?
Even if you so much as shot the guy what does that act achieve? A confrontation that has escalated exponentially...
I don't care what it would have achieved. If I caught a guy in the act and then on top of that he threatened to beat me up, I wouldn't think about a proper rational resolution to the matter, I would have an intense emotional reaction :)
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"How dare you catch me stealing your bike. I will now hit you."
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About 6 months back, I had my racer bike stolen from my backyard (only a Raleigh airlite) but still a couple of hundred to replace. So for a week afterwards every car trip I made I would have eyes like a hawk, looking at every bike I drove past to the point of obsession - couldn't believe my luck when I pull out of my road (can you fkn beleive he was that dumb) and the cvnt is cycling on my bike on the pavement literally 20 metres from my house. I pulled the car over about 30 meters in front of him, and pretend to get something from the trunk, when he rides past I literally jumped in front of him and grab the handlebards and he falls off lol, about mid 30's fairly built and a blatant addict I shout at the guy "What the fuck are you doing on my bike?" you should have seen the look on the poor mans face, hahah the last thing he was expecting - so he gets a bit cocky with me and I grabbed him by the jaw and squeezed his face and explained how he is a very fortunate man that my son is looking out of the car window at us and if he doesn't f off, I may ask my ife to drive round the corner.
Anyway, point of the story, I wouldn't have even had to touch my bike if I had a gun lol.
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You see, you shouldn`t have to cater to those breaking the law. The more you give them, the more they are going to take and the worse off everyone is as s result.
There will always be miscreants in all different types of societal structures. It's not necessarily up to he individual to tame nor deal with these types. Tax money is paid hopefully government institutions invest properly in avenues of behavioral correction. If things are out of control then perhaps that area of investment needs to be looked at. Skilled law enforcement is always better than emotionally charged vigilantes. IF it has to come to that in the first place...
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There will always be miscreants in all different types of societal structures. It's not necessarily up to he individual to tame nor deal with these types. Tax money is paid hopefully government institutions invest properly in avenues of behavioral correction. If things are out of control then perhaps that area of investment needs to be looked at. Skilled law enforcement is always better than emotionally charged vigilantes. IF it has to come to that in the first place...
You truly live in a perfect fairy tale world. I'll address a couple of your stances.
What would it accomplish? If the victim in this case was to pull his CCW and plug the thief, it would accomplish many things:
1. It would would prevent, or deter this man and his friends from ever stealing a bike again.
2. It would prevent them from thinking they can push around anyone they want.
3. It would make local or national news, therefore educating others of the fact that you can't just take peoples shit without major repercussions.
You also state that it is not up to the victim to tame or deal with these types of people. However, you forget it is our goddamn right. How would you feel if these thugs were performing the same act on your sons bike? Would you shrivel up, call the police, and wait for them? If you said yes, then you really have no sac at all. If anyone ever threatens your life or property, it is your right to sort that shit out right then and there.
Also, you state that this could have been prevented if the proper risk assesment had been taken. Again, maybe in your perfect world. However, criminals are opportunists. Crimes even happen in some of the nicest neighborhoods. You cannot always prevent criminals from taking your liberties. This is why people have CCW's. It's a form of risk assesment. I cannot predict what is going to happen everyday, and I cannot prevent criminals from trying to steal or harm me. Therefore, it's in my best interest to be prepared for situations like this. If I were the victim in the video, there wouldn't have been a video, and the entire conversation would have been short and sweet. I'd simply say, "That's my bike, and you're not taking it." I'd then flare my shirt, and show them my sidearm. It would all be over in 10 seconds, and they would leave with a new found education of, "This crazy fuck could have just shot us. Maybe we should think twice about stealing bikes in the future."
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I never saw a black person participating in the Tour de France, so I assumed negro's cannot ride a bycicle...
Can't swim either...
When the Dutch man starts getting racist, I get scared! :o
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Sometimes men need to remember that it is every man for himself. Yes we live in a policed state, with a government etc etc, but when rubber meets the road you have to sort your own shit out. It's not like you are a guest of the united states of america hotel, and you complain to the management everytime someone tries to break into your room or take your shit, you are a fking citizen in your own property.
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Sometimes men need to remember that it is every man for himself. Yes we live in a policed state, with a government etc etc, but when rubber meets the road you have to sort your own shit out. It's not like you are a guest of the united states of america hotel, and you complain to the management everytime someone tries to break into your room or take your shit, you are a fking citizen in your own property.
YES!!!
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You truly live in a perfect fairy tale world. I'll address a couple of your stances.
No I really don't... and have been in plenty of difficult situations. This is my where stance comes from.
What would it accomplish? If the victim in this case was to pull his CCW and plug the thief, it would accomplish many things:
1. It would would prevent, or deter this man and his friends from ever stealing a bike again.
2. It would prevent them from thinking they can push around anyone they want.
3. It would make local or national news, therefore educating others of the fact that you can't just take peoples shit without major repercussions.
Miscreants and outlaws will always exist and will always act outside of the law. You can't educate or deter people on a situational basis they act with emotion and these types are often uninhibited.
You also state that it is not up to the victim to tame or deal with these types of people. However, you forget it is our goddamn right. How would you feel if these thugs were performing the same act on your sons bike? Would you shrivel up, call the police, and wait for them? If you said yes, then you really have no sac at all. If anyone ever threatens your life or property, it is your right to sort that shit out right then and there.
Ok, if you believe its your right to act with increased or equiviliant amount of force then so be it. However I do not lend myself to this primitive sort of thought that is at the heart of many of societal ills. At what point do people began to decide somebody is a thug or been subject to an act that it worthy of violence? Most people don't even make the right decisions on what they consume let alone the way they act in heated situations.
This particular discussion is not about a life threatening situation nor that of relatives in harms way.
...Or perhaps we should have a society where everybody is armed constantly and the men with the greatest marksmanship and machismo survive.
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To each his own I guess. Everyone is cut from a different cloth, and it's very obvious that your cloth is limp. I on the other hand woudn't hesitate to stand up for myself or my family. I truly hope that you don't have a wife and kids. If the day ever comes that they need your help, i'm afraid you'd just dial 911, and then curl up in the fetal position. It saddens me that our society has become so passive, that people like you would just allows others to walk all over them. At what age were your balls cut off? :-*
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You truly live in a perfect fairy tale world. I'll address a couple of your stances.
What would it accomplish? If the victim in this case was to pull his CCW and plug the thief, it would accomplish many things:
1. It would would prevent, or deter this man and his friends from ever stealing a bike again.
2. It would prevent them from thinking they can push around anyone they want.
3. It would make local or national news, therefore educating others of the fact that you can't just take peoples shit without major repercussions.
You also state that it is not up to the victim to tame or deal with these types of people. However, you forget it is our goddamn right. How would you feel if these thugs were performing the same act on your sons bike? Would you shrivel up, call the police, and wait for them? If you said yes, then you really have no sac at all. If anyone ever threatens your life or property, it is your right to sort that shit out right then and there.
Also, you state that this could have been prevented if the proper risk assesment had been taken. Again, maybe in your perfect world. However, criminals are opportunists. Crimes even happen in some of the nicest neighborhoods. You cannot always prevent criminals from taking your liberties. This is why people have CCW's. It's a form of risk assesment. I cannot predict what is going to happen everyday, and I cannot prevent criminals from trying to steal or harm me. Therefore, it's in my best interest to be prepared for situations like this. If I were the victim in the video, there wouldn't have been a video, and the entire conversation would have been short and sweet. I'd simply say, "That's my bike, and you're not taking it." I'd then flare my shirt, and show them my sidearm. It would all be over in 10 seconds, and they would leave with a new found education of, "This crazy fuck could have just shot us. Maybe we should think twice about stealing bikes in the future."
QFT. Good post my friend.
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To each his own I guess. Everyone is cut from a different cloth, and it's very obvious that your cloth is limp. I on the other hand woudn't hesitate to stand up for myself of my family. I truly hope that you don't have a wife and kids. If the day ever comes that they need your help, i'm afraid you'd just dial 911, and then curl up in the fetal position. It saddens me that our society has become so passive, that people like you would just allows others to walk all over them. At what age were your balls cut off? :-*
Plenty of guys have a need to outwardly express their "balls". From what I've seen most end up with black eyes, stabbed in the guts, shot in the stomach or worse... :D Not the greatest survival strategy now is it?
Once again this discussion was never about family or life threatening situation.
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Plenty of guys have a need to outwardly express their "balls". From what I've seen most end up with black eyes, stabbed in the guts, shot in the stomach or worse... :D Not the greatest survival strategy now is it?
Once again this discussion was never about family or life threatening situation.
Actually, the discussion was about a life threatening situation. The criminal in the video threatened to beat him down. If the situation would have escalated to that point, the victim could have very well received life threatening injuries. Let me ask you this, if you were the victim in the video, walking out of the store, and witnessed the man cutting the lock off your bike, how would you have reacted? Serious question.
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Actually, the discussion was about a life threatening situation. The criminal in the video threatened to beat him down. If the situation would have escalated to that point, the victim could have very well received life threatening injuries. Let me ask you this, if you were the victim in the video, walking out of the store, and witnessed the man cutting the lock off your bike, how would you have reacted? Serious question.
I would have flashed my .45 and they would have cowered in fear like you can expect all one percenters to do. ::) Then I would have rode off into the sunset with a chip on my shoulder to my wife and family who are well protected at home. ;D
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Actually, the discussion was about a life threatening situation. The criminal in the video threatened to beat him down. If the situation would have escalated to that point, the victim could have very well received life threatening injuries. Let me ask you this, if you were the victim in the video, walking out of the store, and witnessed the man cutting the lock off your bike, how would you have reacted? Serious question.
I suspect he would offer him a blow job to appease the situation
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I would have flashed my .45 and they would have cowered in fear like you can expect all one percenters to do. ::) Then I would have rode off into the sunset with a chip on my shoulder to my wife and family who are well protected at home. ;D
No, seriously. How would you have reacted? Maybe you can educate me on a better resolution, and open my mind to new ways? Seriously, how would you have handled the situation?
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No, seriously. How would you have reacted? Maybe you can educate me on a better resolution, and open my mind to new ways? Seriously, how would you have handled the situation?
Live in a predominately white neighbourhood and fuck using a bike thats not my style. ;)
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Live in a predominately white neighbourhood and fuck using a bike thats not my style. ;)
I see, you're betting on, "nothing bad will ever happen to me". News flash, bad shit happens everywhere. I live in a 99% white neighborhood. If you polled the citizens of my city, they would say my area is upper class. Guess what? Last Christmas there were a number of break ins. Again, criminals are opportunists. In the case of my neighborhood, their mentality was, "Let's go hit up the rich folks. They've got good shit, and are all pacifists."
I truly hope for your sake that if you're ever presented with a negative situation, that your instincts will take over, and you'll be able to stand up for yourself.
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I see, you're betting on, "nothing bad will ever happen to me". News flash, bad shit happens everywhere. I live in a 99% white neighborhood. If you polled the citizens of my city, they would say my area is upper class. Guess what? Last Christmas there were a number of break ins. Again, criminals are opportunists. In the case of my neighborhood, their mentality was, "Let's go hit up the rich folks. They've got good shit, and are all pacifists."
I truly hope for your sake that if you're ever presented with a negative situation, that your instincts will take over, and you'll be able to stand up for yourself.
We are not talking about break ins... On the street its very different(obviously)...
Of course there is a huge element of defense in the event of a break in...
However at the same time if standing up for yourself leads to intensive care, jail and even fatal injuries well then thats just modern day darwinism at work.
On a side note once firearms are involved you open yourself up to the full scale of retaliation on the force continuum. I hope in that event you are James Bond and don't just think like it. ;D
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First he destroys that poor mans lock, and tries to take another mans property, then he has the gall to even threaten him with bodily harm!?
Why was this nog not apprehended?
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First he destroys that poor mans lock, and tries to take another mans property, then he has the gall to even threaten him with bodily harm!?
Why was this nog not apprehended?
Pulling out the camera and getting confrontational with complete idiots seemed like the better option. ;)
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However at the same time if standing up for yourself leads to intensive care, jail and even fatal injuries well then thats just modern day darwinism at work.
Again, you're saying that you wouldn't stand up for yourself, because you might get hurt, jail, or fatal injury? Is there any situation that you would actually stand up for yourself or your family, or do you basically back down from everything?
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Again, you're saying that you wouldn't stand up for yourself, because you might get hurt, jail, or fatal injury? Is there any situation that you would actually stand up for yourself or your family, or do you basically back down from everything?
Yes I back down from everything I'm the worlds biggest pussy. ;D
God forbid what those street thugs would have thought of me for walking away! Imagine if they thought I was spineless and a pussy! :D
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Pulling out the camera and getting confrontational with complete idiots seemed like the better option. ;)
Well, hopefully that thief will learn a lesson not to steal from white people.
Must have been annoying for that poor man to see the black personel at that mall just watching and not doing anything, that thief could just stroll out of these without not even being frisked.
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Yes I back down from everything I'm the worlds biggest pussy. ;D
God forbid what those street thugs would have thought of me for walking away! Imagine if they thought I was spineless and a pussy! :D
So you'd be completely okay with just walking away, and letting him have your bike? I agree with you, you are the worlds biggest pussy. Furthermore, your actions would only contribute to the thugs mentality that he can do and take whatever he wants, as he pleases. While your at it, you should just open your wallet and give him everthing in it. After all, you wouldn't want to offend the thugs.
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io856 would walk up to his bike and while the thief was cutting the lock, he would instead unlock it and help him on his way, while waving and smiling.
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This whole thread is a massive deja-vu. I'm not even going to bother.
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So you'd be completely okay with just walking away, and letting him have your bike? I agree with you, you are the worlds biggest pussy. Furthermore, your actions would only contribute to the thugs mentality that he can do and take whatever he wants, as he pleases. While your at it, you should just open your wallet and give him everthing in it. After all, you wouldn't want to offend the thugs.
Dont forget I've taken a trolling stance in this thread ;D Put two and two together
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Dont forget I've taken a trolling stance in this thread ;D Put two and two together
You cock sucker. So you're saying you're not the worlds biggest pussy? :D
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My bike cost a lot. If i caught him i would have beat him to death with the chain and done my 3 months in the can.
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Texas hasn't been the same since they lost Ronnie from police force.
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Texas hasn't been the same since they lost Ronnie from police force.
Truth! :D
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bitch ass fake cops. >:(
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i doubt you'd get away with shooting dead an unarmed 'man' if you caught him trying to nick your pushbike. not unless youu wanna spend some years in prison ???
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i doubt you'd get away with shooting dead an unarmed 'man' if you caught him trying to nick your pushbike. not unless youu wanna spend some years in prison ???
Are you a big, flaming and gaping vagina?
;D
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i doubt you'd get away with shooting dead an unarmed 'man' if you caught him trying to nick your pushbike. not unless youu wanna spend some years in prison ???
In TX, you could shoot him if it were night, but not day. However, if the thug would have attacked him, he could have shot regardless of night or day.
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Are you a big, flaming and gaping vagina?
;D
haha! oh, don't get me wrong.. the fucker deserved shooting dead. it's not like he ever has been, is, or ever will be a productive member of society. but still! if you shot him dead in that situation you might just find yourself in deep shit regarding the law.. i dunno ? !
In TX, you could shoot him if it were night, but not day. However, if the thug would have attacked him, he could have shot regardless of night or day.
that's as clear as 'night & day' ;D thanks, man 8)
well in that situation in the video, the victim might have been ok to shoot if he said he felt threatened ???
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About 6 months back, I had my racer bike stolen from my backyard (only a Raleigh airlite) but still a couple of hundred to replace. So for a week afterwards every car trip I made I would have eyes like a hawk, looking at every bike I drove past to the point of obsession - couldn't believe my luck when I pull out of my road (can you fkn beleive he was that dumb) and the girl is cycling on my bike on the pavement literally 20 metres from my house. I pulled the car over about 30 meters in front of him, and pretend to get something from the trunk, when he rides past I literally jumped in front of him and grab the handlebards and he falls off lol, about mid 30's fairly built and a blatant addict I shout at the guy "What the fuck are you doing on my bike?" you should have seen the look on the poor mans face, hahah the last thing he was expecting - so he gets a bit cocky with me and I grabbed him by the jaw and squeezed his face and explained how he is a very fortunate man that my son is looking out of the car window at us and if he doesn't f off, I may ask my ife to drive round the corner.
Anyway, point of the story, I wouldn't have even had to touch my bike if I had a gun lol.
Same thing happened to me a few years ago. Went to work on a Tuesday, had my bike on my patio, came home and it was gone. Bought a new beach cruiser that Friday, and no shit we were riding out and dude goes pas me on my bike. Quickly turn around and chase him and he ditches the bike and scurries under a fence. I thought , what a dumbass , ride the bike past the place you just stole it from.
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In TX, you could shoot him if it were night, but not day. However, if the thug would have attacked him, he could have shot regardless of night or day.
Question of mine. Supposing the guy smacks the owner a couple of times in the face... and theν walks away. Would the owner have the right to shoot him and claim self-defense?
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Question of mine. Supposing the guys smacks the owner a couple of times in the face... and the walks away. Would the owner have the right to shoot him and claim self-defense?
No. The threat is over, and his life is no longer in danger. Now, if he were to shoot him while being smacked, then it could be justified.
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haha! oh, don't get me wrong.. the fucker deserved shooting dead. it's not like he ever has been, is, or ever will be a productive member of society. but still! if you shot him dead in that situation you might just find yourself in deep shit regarding the law.. i dunno ? !
lol I was just kidding man
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I'm surprised the victim didn't get beat up... I'm not surprised no one cared about the thief.
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i doubt you'd get away with shooting dead an unarmed 'man' if you caught him trying to nick your pushbike. not unless youu wanna spend some years in prison ???
No, you would be fine to shoot, night or day.
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haha! oh, don't get me wrong.. the fucker deserved shooting dead. it's not like he ever has been, is, or ever will be a productive member of society. but still! if you shot him dead in that situation you might just find yourself in deep shit regarding the law.. i dunno ? !
that's as clear as 'night & day' ;D thanks, man 8)
well in that situation in the video, the victim might have been ok to shoot if he said he felt threatened ???
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No, you would be fine to shoot, night or day.
Not in TX. The use of deadly force to prevent or recover stolen property is only allowed during night. However, defending yourself from an attack is allowed at anytime.
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Not in TX. The use of deadly force to prevent or recover stolen property is only allowed during night.
Where's the sense behind that?
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Where's the sense behind that?
Jesus decided it.
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Where's the sense behind that?
I'm not really sure? It's seems kind of stupid to me. You're allowed to kill someone who is stealing your property at night, but not during the day. ??? Seems pretty pointless.
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I'm not really sure? It's seems kind of stupid to me. You're allowed to kill someone who is stealing your property at night, but not during the day. ??? Seems pretty pointless.
I'm pretty sure there's a guy joke just waiting to be told here....
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EDIT: Guy= n-word
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I'm not really sure? It's seems kind of stupid to me. You're allowed to kill someone who is stealing your property at night, but not during the day. ??? Seems pretty pointless.
The theory is that night adds more danger to the confrontation.
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No, you would be fine to shoot, night or day.
No, probably not. In order to shoot someone you would have to convince a grand jury that you were in fear for your life. Being human, they would take into account the totality of the circumstances and if they believed a reasonable person would not be in fear for their life, you might spend some time behind bars.
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The theory is that night adds more danger to the confrontation.
We're not talking about confrontation. We're talking about loss of property (IE theft). In TX, you can shoot and kill someone at night, who is running away from you with your personal property. Car stereo, bike, etc. There does not have to be a confrontation at all. If you witness somebody stealing your property, and they are getting away, you can shoot them. You cannot use deadly force during the day though.
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Not in TX. The use of deadly force to prevent or recover stolen property is only allowed during night. However, defending yourself from an attack is allowed at anytime.
not true.
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not true.
Yes, true. TX penal code chapter 2; section 9:
Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property;
and(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.
Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.
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even if he hadn't been shot in FL, the gun present woudl have given others the audacity to pick up bricks and pipes and ruin the bad guys' day.
Sometimes ppl forget - you don't have to shoot anyone. Simpmly keep the gun present to give other semi-heroes the guts to come fwd and fck up a bad guy.
nothing more beautiful than a bloody store robber going into police custody because hs 'resisted' while being held at gunpoint for police to arrive!
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I never saw a black person participating in the Tour de France, so I assumed negro's cannot ride a bycicle...
Can't swim either...
lets not forget ice hockey.
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Wow love Texas law. Need that in the UK
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We could use some of that Texas-Law here in Sweden!
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Let's get BDB out there shirless
Sherlies? You in australia Bob?
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Yes, true. TX penal code chapter 2; section 9:
Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property;
and(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.
Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.
Sec. 9.41. PROTECTION OF ONE'S OWN PROPERTY.
(a) A person in lawful possession of land or tangible, movable property is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land or unlawful interference with the property.
(b) A person unlawfully dispossessed of land or tangible, movable property by another is justified in using force against the other when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to reenter the land or recover the property if the actor uses the force immediately or in fresh pursuit after the dispossession and:
(1) the actor reasonably believes the other had no claim of right when he dispossessed the actor; or
(2) the other accomplished the dispossession by using force, threat, or fraud against the actor.
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Sec. 9.41. PROTECTION OF ONE'S OWN PROPERTY.
(a) A person in lawful possession of land or tangible, movable property is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land or unlawful interference with the property.
(b) A person unlawfully dispossessed of land or tangible, movable property by another is justified in using force against the other when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to reenter the land or recover the property if the actor uses the force immediately or in fresh pursuit after the dispossession and:
(1) the actor reasonably believes the other had no claim of right when he dispossessed the actor; or
(2) the other accomplished the dispossession by using force, threat, or fraud against the actor.
Section 9.41 refers to the use of force, not "deadly force". There is a big difference. Now, if during the use of force you feel like your life is being threatened, or could be, then you may use deadly force.
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One point where many states diverge is on when force or deadly force can be used to protect property.
Texas illustrates one end of the spectrum -- where deadly force is allowed in certain circumstances to protect or recover one's own property or the property of another person. Many states forbid the use of deadly force to protect or recover property.
In addition to the many situations in which it allows deadly force in self-defense, Texas law allows deadly force in defense of property if:
•The person reasonably believes force is necessary to prevent another from taking the property or to recover it once taken (if in fresh pursuit); and
•when the person reasonably believes deadly force is necessary to prevent someone from committing arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime, or to prevent a person from fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime; and
•the person reasonably believes that the property can't be recovered by any other means, and that using less than deadly force might expose the person to substantial risk of bodily harm or death.
This is likely why, in 2008, a Harris County grand jury refused to indict Joe Horn, who shot and killed two men who had robbed his neighbor's house. The story stunned many, in large part due to the entire incident being recorded through Horn's 911 call. After the 911 operator pleaded with Horn not to go outside with his shotgun, Horn took matters into his own hands.
"I'm not gonna let them get away with this [expletive]," he repeats at one point, before saying "I'll kill 'em." After the 911 dispatcher pleaded with him that property was not worth killing someone over, he told him, "[w]ell, here it goes buddy, you hear the shotgun clicking and I'm going." "Move. You're dead," is the next thing we hear Horn yell on the recording, immediately before the first of three shotgun blasts are heard. Horn shot the two men in the back, killing both.
Many were outraged at the perceived indifference to human life in the grand jury's decision not to have Joe Horn charged. However, under current Texas law, the grand jury's decision was not out of the ordinary.
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This is likely why, in 2008, a Harris County grand jury refused to indict Joe Horn, who shot and killed two men who had robbed his neighbor's house. The story stunned many, in large part due to the entire incident being recorded through Horn's 911 call. After the 911 operator pleaded with Horn not to go outside with his shotgun, Horn took matters into his own hands.
"I'm not gonna let them get away with this [expletive]," he repeats at one point, before saying "I'll kill 'em." After the 911 dispatcher pleaded with him that property was not worth killing someone over, he told him, "[w]ell, here it goes buddy, you hear the shotgun clicking and I'm going." "Move. You're dead," is the next thing we hear Horn yell on the recording, immediately before the first of three shotgun blasts are heard. Horn shot the two men in the back, killing both.
Many were outraged at the perceived indifference to human life in the grand jury's decision not to have Joe Horn charged. However, under current Texas law, the grand jury's decision was not out of the ordinary.
Again, many might think this is an outrage, but I for one think it is a great learning experience for all thieves. I think there should be cliffs notes for the Joe Horn case, and they should be distributed at large in schools, gas stations, grocery stores, etc. Make it public knowledge to thieves that a homeowner has every right to end your life. Maybe after a few more cases like the Joe Horn case, people will start thinking twice before commiting such acts of crime.
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Again, many might think this is an outrage, but I for one think it is a great learning experience for all thieves. I think there should be cliffs notes for the Joe Horn case, and they should be distributed at large in schools, gas stations, grocery stores, etc. Make it public knowledge to thieves that a homeowner has every right to end your life. Maybe after a few more cases like the Joe Horn case, people will start thinking twice before commiting such acts of crime.
Or..... we could start holding these criminal accountable in court. I cannot tell you how many car thieves, burglary of auto thieves and even burglary thieves we arrest over and over again only to see the liberal court system in our county slap them on the wrist. It is no wonder when we spend thousands of tax payers dollars in resources to catch a serial burglar of vehicles that they tell us arrest is just the cost of doing business and they will be back out soon doing it again. There is really no incentive to stop.
I would vote first to put some teeth in the existing laws with some serious sentencing, then perhaps shooting them won't be necessary
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This is likely why, in 2008, a Harris County grand jury refused to indict Joe Horn, who shot and killed two men who had robbed his neighbor's house. The story stunned many, in large part due to the entire incident being recorded through Horn's 911 call. After the 911 operator pleaded with Horn not to go outside with his shotgun, Horn took matters into his own hands.
"I'm not gonna let them get away with this [expletive]," he repeats at one point, before saying "I'll kill 'em." After the 911 dispatcher pleaded with him that property was not worth killing someone over, he told him, "[w]ell, here it goes buddy, you hear the shotgun clicking and I'm going." "Move. You're dead," is the next thing we hear Horn yell on the recording, immediately before the first of three shotgun blasts are heard. Horn shot the two men in the back, killing both.
Many were outraged at the perceived indifference to human life in the grand jury's decision not to have Joe Horn charged. However, under current Texas law, the grand jury's decision was not out of the ordinary.
They didn't indict him? When he shot and killed them? Why not shoot them in the leg with a pistol, or in the arm or the shoulder, did he have to shoot to kill?
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They didn't indict him? When he shot and killed them? Why not shoot them in the leg with a pistol, or in the arm or the shoulder, did he have to shoot to kill?
Number one rule of firearms: You don't shoot at anyone unless you're prepared to kill them. There is no: "Just wound him" or "Shoot him in the leg". Shoot him in the leg, you hit a femoral artery, he bleeds out and dies. Shoot him in the foot, you hit a pedal artery, he bleeds out and dies. Again, you never shoot at someone unless you're prepared to kill them. Furthermore, if you wound them, they have a better chance of suing you in civil court for debilitating injuries.
As for the shotgun, maybe that's all he had. It is the number one prefered home defense weapon.
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Number one rule of firearms: You don't shoot at anyone unless you're prepared to kill them. There is no: "Just wound him" or "Shoot him in the leg". Shoot him in the leg, you hit a femoral artery, he bleeds out and dies. Shoot him in the foot, you hit a pedal artery, he bleeds out and dies. Again, you never shoot at someone unless you're prepared to kill them. Furthermore, if you wound them, they have a better chance of suing you in civil court for debilitating injuries.
As for the shotgun, maybe that's all he had. It is the number one prefered home defense weapon.
Not sure that makes sense to me. I understand you have to be prepared for the event of a person dying if you shoot at them- as you say you may hit a femoral artery; but does one have to aim to kill if their life is not threatened?
Furthermore, if you wound them, they have a better chance of suing you in civil court for debilitating injuries.
Concrete reasoning; better kill those guys, so they won't sue us ::)
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Not sure that makes sense to me. I understand you have to be prepared for the event of a person dying if you shoot at them- as you say you may hit a femoral artery; but does one have to aim to kill if their life is not threatened?
Concrete reasoning; better kill those guys, so they won't sue us ::)
I have never seen or heard of anyone shooting anything other than center mass or headshots. If I ever have to pull the trigger on anyone it will be center mass or headshot. Again, there is no training for wounding shots, and wounding shots should never be tried or considered. Call me cruel if you want, but if I ever shoot someone, I hope they die. Less mess, less paperwork, and there will only be one side to the story. :D
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We're not talking about confrontation. We're talking about loss of property (IE theft). In TX, you can shoot and kill someone at night, who is running away from you with your personal property. Car stereo, bike, etc. There does not have to be a confrontation at all. If you witness somebody stealing your property, and they are getting away, you can shoot them. You cannot use deadly force during the day though.
Baltimore has a huge problem with kids riding quads in the streets, they can be 30-100 strong, weaving in and out of traffic (just look at YouTube vids of the 12 o'clock boys). They are a hazard, and they so this alot during rush hour, and many of those quads are stolen---from up and down the east coast.
A few yrs ago, a man shot an 11 yr old boy who broke into his shed at 11:30pm. In that shed was quad ATV. The boy died, and the parents said that the man did t have to shoot the kid. The argument is, the owner didn't know who was breaking into his shed at night, and why is an 11 yr old kid out at 11:30pm and why is he breaking into someone's property.
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A few yrs ago, a man shot an 11 yr old boy who broke into his shed at 11:30pm. In that shed was quad ATV. The boy died, and the parents said that the man did t have to shoot the kid. The argument is, the owner didn't know who was breaking into his shed at night, and why is an 11 yr old kid out at 11:30pm and why is he breaking into someone's property.
Very good point. If anyone is breaking into your property it is not your responsibility to determine their age, intentions, etc. "Excuse me sir, how old are you, are you armed, and what are your intentions." Uh, no thanks.