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Score one for the paranoid anti-religious extremists. ::)
Federal Judge: Mt. Soledad Cross Must Come Down
By Todd StarnesPublished December 13, 2013
FoxNews.com
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Because it sits on public property, critics have long argued that the cross at the Mount Soledad Veterans Memoria in La Jolla, Calif., is an unconstitutional entanglement of government and religion. (AP FILE)
A cross atop Mount Soledad in California is an unconstitutional religious display on government land and must come down, a federal judge in San Diego ruled late Thursday.
U.S. District Judge Larry Burns ordered the cross, which honors veterans, must be removed within 90 days -- a decision that could result in the case being sent back to the U.S. Supreme Court. Burns immediately stayed his order pending an expected appeal.
The original lawsuit was filed in 2006 by the American Civil Liberties Union on behalf of the Jewish Veterans of the United States of American and several other Southern California residents.
“We support the government paying tribute to those who served bravely in our country’s armed forces,” the ACLU’s Daniel Mach, said in a statement to the San Diego Union-Tribune newspaper. “But we should honor all of our heroes under one flag, not just one particular religious symbol.”
Bruce Bailey, president of the Mt. Soledad Memorial Association, expressed disappointment in the ruling.
"It is unfortunate that the Ninth Circuit left the judge no choice but to order the tearing down of the Mt. Soledad Veterans Memorial Cross," Bailey told Fox News. "However, we are grateful for the judge's stay that gives us an opportunity to fight this all the way to the Supreme Court."
Hiram Sasser, director of litigation for Liberty Institute, said in a statement to Fox News that they will continue to “fight for this memorial and the selfless sacrifice and service of all the millions of veterans it represents; it is the least we can do for those who gave so much to us all."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/12/13/federal-judge-mt-soledad-cross-must-come-down/
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Liberal stance:
Muslims: be tolerant!
Any other religion/lifestyle: be tolerant!
Christianity: attack it till its dead!!!
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Liberal stance:
Muslims: be tolerant!
Any other religion/lifestyle: be tolerant!
Christianity: attack it till its dead!!!
That about sums it up.
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I see no problem,but this is a constitutional thing,right
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I see no problem,but this is a constitutional thing,right
The constitution only applies when it benefits the left. Otherwise they shit all over it.
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The constitution only applies when it benefits the left. Otherwise they shit all over it.
hmmmmm that can also be said about the right :o
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Liberal stance:
Muslims: be tolerant!
Any other religion/lifestyle: be tolerant!
Christianity: attack it till its dead!!!
This is why NOTHING is being done about the captive Pastor in Iran. Obama and the left are very much pro Muslim and anti-Christian no matter what they say.
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hmmmmm that can also be said about the right :o
See, this is why you lefties can never win a debate or argument. You're blind to your useless Messiah. I'll bet you have no problem with whatever he's doing, do you?
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See, this is why you lefties can never win a debate or argument. You're blind to your useless Messiah. I'll bet you have no problem with whatever he's doing, do you?
is this not a consitutional thing ??? yes or no leave your crazy talk out of this for a second
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is this not a consitutional thing ??? yes or no leave your crazy talk out of this for a second
Most everything in these types of situations is constitutional. You have to wonder why things like this get ruled in favor of and other things do not. Obama and the left shit on the constitution daily, makes unconstitutional appointments of known communists that are clearly a threat to our freedom and nothing happends. Chief Justice John Roberts mysteriously votes Obamacare constitutional when by all accounts, wasn't. Find out who the ruling judge was on that case (Mt. Soledad) and then come back and tell me his political leanings.
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Most everything in these types of situations is constitutional. You have to wonder why things like this get ruled in favor of and other things do not. Obama and the left shit on the constitution daily, makes unconstitutional appointments of known communists that are clearly a threat to our freedom and nothing happends. Chief Justice John Roberts mysteriously votes Obamacare constitutional when by all accounts, wasn't. Find out who the ruling judge was on that case (Mt. Soledad) and then come back and tell me his political leanings.
he was appointed by bush bush's fault ;D
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he was appointed by bush bush's fault ;D
Of course..lol.
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It wasn't like the judge wanted to remove the cross. He HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO reverse his original decision:
The Mount Soledad Memorial has been the subject of ongoing litigation for the last two decades. In January 2011, a three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals reversed an earlier decision by Judge Burns that the cross is part of a larger non-religious war memorial honoring all veterans. Cross supporters appealed the appeals court decision to the U.S. Supreme Court, which refused to hear the case and sent the case back to federal court.
Read more: http://fox5sandiego.com/2013/12/12/federal-judge-orders-mt-soledad-cross-must-come-down/#ixzz2nOONJW8X
WHY did he have to rule the way he did? Because of the Ninth Circuit decision:
That law sparked the latest round of litigation in federal court. In 2011, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit reaffirmed its prior decision on this display, holding that because of the cross, the memorial “primarily conveys a message of endorsement of religion.” Specifically, it “projects a government endorsement of Christianity.”
The United States Supreme Court denied review in 2012 but sent a written message noting that the lower courts were still considering whether the memorial could be modified in a way that preserves its character. In a statement by Justice Samuel Alito, the Court signaled that it would seriously consider taking the case if these additional efforts did not produce a positive outcome.
After almost two years of additional proceedings, on Dec. 12 the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California reluctantly held that under controlling precedent from the Ninth Circuit, the district judge still had no choice but to declare the cross an endorsement of Christianity. He has ordered it removed within 90 days.
Judge Larry Alan Burns read the order from the bench in court and appeared to choke up as he ordered the memorial’s destruction, observers told Breitbart News. Burns then issued a stay of his decision to give the memorial cross’s lawyers time to appeal back to the Ninth Circuit and, if necessary, the U.S. Supreme Court.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/12/Famous-Cross-Ordered-Removed-from-Memorial-Fed-Judge-Emotional
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Why would anyone argue against removing this? it's public property, not some fucking christian nativity scene. What's with the religious thinking they are above the law? constitution. This shit's going on up here to, crazy wingnuts man.
It can stay up but then you have to accomodate everyone or no one, simple as that. No debate can be made. What's with all this muslim non-sense Joe.
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Did u take your medication today? U sound somewhat unbalanced.
You sound like your on crack.
A little communism might do us good?
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Score one for the paranoid anti-religious extremists. ::)
Federal Judge: Mt. Soledad Cross Must Come Down
By Todd StarnesPublished December 13, 2013
How does patiently waiting for a decision via the courts for in excess of 20 years constitute "religious extremism"?
Or is your definition of a "religious extremist" anyone who holds a position differing from your own?
The constitution is quite clear. There's no religious extremism involved in demanding it be taken down.
If you served your country, I'm had a memorial erected in your honour, I'm sure the last thing you would want is for President Obama to erect a memorial under the Muslim Crescent, ...or for a President Lieberman (God Forbid) to erect a memorial under a giant Star of David.
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Did u take your medication today? U sound somewhat unbalanced.
The concern about "known communists," sounds very 1950s. At the very least, it sort of fell out of favor with the passing of Reagan. I would also point out that the US is in debt, to the tune of trillions of dollars, to the largest "communist" nation in the world - China. Perhaps a little communism would do us good.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/obama-surrounds-himself-with-the-most-extreme-appointees-in-american-history/
http://www.commieblaster.com/socialist_czars/
and.......
http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/obama-surrounds-himself-with-the-most-extreme-appointees-in-american-history/
Let me know if this went over your head.
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http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/obama-surrounds-himself-with-the-most-extreme-appointees-in-american-history/
http://www.commieblaster.com/socialist_czars/
and.......
http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/obama-surrounds-himself-with-the-most-extreme-appointees-in-american-history/
Let me know if this went over your head.
Coach, did you get a chance to read Dario73's post in this thread?
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LOL!!! www.commieblaster.com. I had to click on the link since I thought u were pulling my leg with that one.
U think all the mega-wealthy people who support Obama and funded his rise are communists? They are the furthest thing from it. I'm amazed anyone actually buys into this ideological nonsense. As far as religion is concerned, Christianity is a dying religion. The world's demographics will be its ruin. Once it died where it started, i.e., Western Eurpope, the end was only a matter of time. To the extent religion holds on at all, Islam is the future simply because of demographics.
Christianity isn't a "religion". ::)
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Christianity isn't a "religion". ::)
He didn't say it wasn't a religion, just that it was a dying one.
Did you read Dario73's earlier post about the judge who made the ruling, and WHY?
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You're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm saying Christianity IS NOT a religion.
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How does patiently waiting for a decision via the courts for in excess of 20 years constitute "religious extremism"?
Or is your definition of a "religious extremist" anyone who holds a position differing from your own?
The constitution is quite clear. There's no religious extremism involved in demanding it be taken down.
If you served your country, I'm had a memorial erected in your honour, I'm sure the last thing you would want is for President Obama to erect a memorial under the Muslim Crescent, ...or for a President Lieberman (God Forbid) to erect a memorial under a giant Star of David.
I have no problem with people who have positions different from my own. Had lunch earlier this week with one of my buddies who is an atheist. Great guy. He's not a paranoid anti-religious extremist.
If you want an example of a paranoid anti-religious extremist, it's right here:
I FVCKING HATE DELUSIONAL EVANGELICALS >:(
You are fvcking certifiable in your delusion & denial.
It's the goddamn evangelicals who make it a political issue. Get real!!!
I will welcome the day that religion is forced underground!
Any evangelical I off, is gonna be one who trys imposing themself on me. There's a big difference.
It's like someone on here once said "I'll shoot the fvckers if I have to."
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Subtlety is lost on u my friend; but then again, I'm not surprised.
Be well, simpleton.
Now you are posting like a fag. Quick, light up that crack pipe.
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LOL!!! www.commieblaster.com. I had to click on the link since I thought u were pulling my leg with that one.
U think all the mega-wealthy people who support Obama and funded his rise are communists? They are the furthest thing from it. I'm amazed anyone actually buys into this ideological nonsense. As far as religion is concerned, Christianity is a dying religion. The world's demographics will be its ruin. Once it died where it started, i.e., Western Eurpope, the end was only a matter of time. To the extent religion holds on at all, Islam is the future simply because of demographics.
I have noticed that you repeat crap that everyone already knows. Decline of Christianity in "Eurpope" has been known for years. Nothing new.
Western "Eurpope"? You actually think that Christianity began there? Do you know the first place where people were called Christians? It wasn't in western "Eurpope". You also might be confusing catholicism and Christianity.
The founder of the Christian church was very clear in teaching that Christianity was not going to be defined by a certain place or temple. So "dying where it started" is a non-factor when it comes to Christianity. It's founder also understood and thought, that while the will of his Father was for everyone to be saved, most people were not going to follow his teachings. Christianity is not about a certain place or even a certain group of people. It is a way of life based on a relationship with Jesuschrist. "MANY are called, but FEW ARE CHOSEN". Jesus only sought true believers wherever they may be.
You have delved into an area that I can see you have no knowledge of.
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I have no problem with people who have positions different from my own. Had lunch earlier this week with one of my buddies who is an atheist. Great guy. He's not a paranoid anti-religious extremist.
If you want an example of a paranoid anti-religious extremist, it's right here:
You still haven't answered the question. How does patiently waiting for a court ruling for 20+ years an example of religious extremism.
And how would you feel about a war memorial with a great big Muslim crescent & star atop?
How do you feel about the US Constitution? Should it be adhered to or not?
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You still haven't answered the question. How does patiently waiting for a court ruling for 20+ years an example of religious extremism.
And how would you feel about a war memorial with a great big Muslim crescent & star atop?
How do you feel about the US Constitution? Should it be adhered to or not?
they like to bring up the constitution as long as it's for them ::)
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You got me. I don't want to mess with an elite true believer like yourself. How long before u join the "Father" in his heavenly kingdom?
"For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch . Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh , at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning"
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I have noticed that you repeat crap that everyone already knows. Decline of Christianity in "Eurpope" has been known for years. Nothing new.
Western "Eurpope"? You actually think that Christianity began there? Do you know the first place where people were called Christians? It wasn't in western "Eurpope". You also might be confusing catholicism and Christianity.
The founder of the Christian church was very clear in teaching that Christianity was not going to be defined by a certain place or temple. So "dying where it started" is a non-factor when it comes to Christianity. It's founder also understood and thought, that while the will of his Father was for everyone to be saved, most people were not going to follow his teachings. Christianity is not about a certain place or even a certain group of people. It is a way of life based on a relationship with Jesuschrist. "MANY are called, but FEW ARE CHOSEN". Jesus only sought true believers wherever they may be.
You have delved into an area that I can see you have no knowledge of.
Jesus was anti-capitalist, liberal communist. You realize this?
"If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered."
-Proverbs 21:13
"Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy."
-Proverbs 31:8-9
"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."
-Matthew 6:24
"Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'"
-Matthew 19:23-24
Do you know why he makes these statements? becuase he is right. This is it, this is the life you get, the only one as we know. It's pointless but purposeful if you make it. Jesus was all about helping others, even at a cost to himself, his life even. You pale in comparison to his example and frankly I see very few christians who actually follow the bible.
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Jesus was anti-capitalist, liberal communist. You realize this?
"If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered."
-Proverbs 21:13
"Rich" people on the right give far more to the poor than the left every will.
"Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy."
-Proverbs 31:8-9
We do, that's why we give more not only personally but through other charitable organizations and Churches.
"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."
-Matthew 6:24
Most "rich" people are wise with their money and thanks God for what have and the wisdom to get it.
"Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'"
-Matthew 19:23-24
Sounds like he's speaking of greed, no? Are you saying "rich" people are greedy?
Do you know why he makes these statements? becuase he is right. This is it, this is the life you get, the only one as we know. It's pointless but purposeful if you make it. Jesus was all about helping others, even at a cost to himself, his life even. You pale in comparison to his example and frankly I see very few christians who actually follow the bible.
Sooo, you're taking from what the scripture you posted as Jesus being a liberal/communist and anti-capitalist?? Hahahahahahaha!
What does he say about the government stealing and lining their own pockets from the American people? I'm talking about the rich, middle class and yes..the poor!
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Sooo, you're taking from what the scripture you posted as Jesus being a liberal/communist and anti-capitalist?? Hahahahahahaha!
He was, how isn't that apparent. Dude gave out free healthcare, spread the wealth around and clearly dislike the rich and glutonous. Greed is a deadly sin moron, probably called deadly because you master doesn't view it favorable.
What does he say about the government stealing and lining their own pockets from the American people? I'm talking about the rich, middle class and yes..the poor!
Ah, corruption. Still don't get your point hypocrite.
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BTW, you're a doctor. Feel free to inflate that number above and beyond what you would normally send in for your taxes. While your at it, tell your CPA to leave out any deductions that you have and you want to pay full boat because you're just charitable that way and want to help others. Put them before your family....right?
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You don't get my point that the government is stealing from us? $100mil vacations anyone?
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"He was, how isn't that apparent. Dude gave out free healthcare, spread the wealth around and clearly dislike the rich and glutonous. Greed is a deadly sin moron, probably called deadly because you master doesn't view it favorable".
Are you mentally Ill? Go ahead and give away your services, incur costs then try to pay them.
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BTW, you're a doctor. Feel free to inflate that number above and beyond what you would normally send in for your taxes. While your at it, tell your CPA to leave out any deductions that you have and you want to pay full boat because you're just charitable that way and want to help others. Put them before your family....right?
Yes, exactly, this is what jesus would teach, imagine if everyone was like that? it wouldn't matter because there's enough wealth to go around many times over, if the human experience is primal and money epiphenomenal then the world would be much better. Unfortunately, humans, me included, a greedy girls. Selfish genes are to blame.
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You don't get my point that the government is stealing from us? $100mil vacations anyone?
I get it, they are, corrupt.
Still, if jesus were alive he would probably hunger strike or risk death to prove his point.
If you thing Jesus was smart (meh) then you should follow his teachings. He literally says to give up all your possessions. Possessions are meaningless, as are all things in eternity I suppose.
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You still haven't answered the question. How does patiently waiting for a court ruling for 20+ years an example of religious extremism.
And how would you feel about a war memorial with a great big Muslim crescent & star atop?
How do you feel about the US Constitution? Should it be adhered to or not?
An example of a paranoid anti-religious extremist is someone running around the country looking for Christian symbols on public property and filing lawsuits about them. Or threatening to shoot Christians who show up at your door. Or trying to force religion underground.
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"He was, how isn't that apparent. Dude gave out free healthcare, spread the wealth around and clearly dislike the rich and glutonous. Greed is a deadly sin moron, probably called deadly because you master doesn't view it favorable".
Are you mentally Ill? Go ahead and give away your services, incur costs then try to pay them.
You are to stupid to understand Jesus, no suprise here. Listen you incredible moron, jesus meant everyone spread the wealth, everyone help, everyone give it away. Also, your conviction in your faith is distrubing. You just read what I did, yet you seem to value this life more then the next (hell according to this) which is out of line with the bible. If this life is simply a test you are failing, you are racist, bigotted, greedy, gullable, ignorant and most of all lacking character (see twenty six wives).
Now on to the second point, your response indicates that you are unaware that I was using scripture to point out your hypocrisy. I am an atheist sir, I am allowed to be hypocritical, I do not beleive in un ending charity, I don't believe in turning the other cheek, I don't believe in loving thy neighbor or enemy so shit or get off the pot asshole, are you a christian or just another fucking weekend warrior who thinks it will "all just be ok".
Joe, jesus is a pussy also. Last time he was here we raped him, strung him up like like starfish and let him bleed out. Bitch hasn't been back since, he has hinted though, usually when something obvious like the end of every decade but that ass whoopin he got makes him think twice. Round two bitch.
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You are to stupid to understand Jesus, no suprise here. Listen you incredible moron, jesus meant everyone spread the wealth, everyone help, everyone give it away. Also, your conviction in your faith is distrubing. You just read what I did, yet you seem to value this life more then the next (hell according to this) which is out of line with the bible. If this life is simply a test you are failing, you are racist, bigotted, greedy, gullable, ignorant and most of all lacking character (see twenty six wives).
Now on to the second point, your response indicates that you are unaware that I was using scripture to point out your hypocrisy. I am an atheist sir, I am allowed to be hypocritical, I do not beleive in un ending charity, I don't believe in turning the other cheek, I don't believe in loving thy neighbor or enemy so shit or get off the pot asshole, are you a christian or just another fucking weekend warrior who thinks it will "all just be ok".
Joe, jesus is a pussy also. Last time he was here we raped him, strung him up like like starfish and let him bleed out. Bitch hasn't been back since, he has hinted though, usually when something obvious like the end of every decade but that ass whoopin he got makes him think twice. Round two bitch.
Jesus said nothing about socialism. He talked about charity. Not even remotely similar.
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Jesus said nothing about socialism. He talked about charity. Not even remotely similar.
ya a co-operative system where the resources and means of production are shared wouldn't be what jesus would want. He would want a capitalistic society.
Tell me, what do you think jesus would be a right leaning person, left leaning?
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ya a co-operative system where the resources and means of production are shared wouldn't be what jesus would want. He would want a capitalistic society.
Tell me, what do you think jesus would be a right leaning person, left leaning?
Neither. I doubt he would belong to a political party or prop up one party or ideology over another.
But the fact is he never promoted socialism, as you claim. He promoted private charity. He said absolutely nothing about using the government to force people, under penalty of prison, to "spread the wealth around."
And as it turns out, conservatives give more than liberals. Imagine that.
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Neither. I doubt he would belong to a political party or prop up one party or ideology over another.
But the fact is he never promoted socialism, as you claim. He promoted private charity. He said absolutely nothing about using the government to force people, under penalty of prison, to "spread the wealth around."
And as it turns out, conservatives give more than liberals. Imagine that.
I didn't say he promoted it, the term wasn't even fucking coined then. What I was inferring was that jesus based his life on communist/socialisitc principles, giving to the poor, condeming the rich (capitalis) etc.
You can play coy all you want, answer the question. He said to spread the wealth around, quite fucking clearly, maybe you need to re read your bible. I also like how you literally stick to the good book when it's self seving, he never explicitly stated anything about socialism, but hates gays right?
Source for your charitable claim? You go from stating jesus never have an ideology to charity being a right leaning principle, I assume suggesting jesus would be right leaning?
Can you make a guess or do you only abide by what is explicity written in the bible?
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You're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm saying Christianity IS NOT a religion.
Then you would argue Football is not a sport... If you want to change the accepted definition of "religion" to make it fit your notion, why stop there? Fire is NOT hot.... a Ford Mustang is NOT a car...
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I didn't say he promoted it, the term wasn't even fucking coined then. What I was inferring was that jesus based his life on communist/socialisitc principles, giving to the poor, condeming the rich (capitalis) etc.
You can play coy all you want, answer the question. He said to spread the wealth around, quite fucking clearly, maybe you need to re read your bible. I also like how you literally stick to the good book when it's self seving, he never explicitly stated anything about socialism, but hates gays right?
Source for your charitable claim? You go from stating jesus never have an ideology to charity being a right leaning principle, I assume suggesting jesus would be right leaning?
Can you make a guess or do you only abide by what is explicity written in the bible?
you're confusing capitalism with consumerism and socialism with charity. forced redistribution of wealth by government is NOT charity. and jesus does not "condemn the rich". he condemns the people who make money a priority over God. there are rich people who do great things with their money. there are poor people who do great things with their money.
it's obvious you like to pick away at Christians interpretation of the bible.
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I didn't say he promoted it, the term wasn't even fucking coined then. What I was inferring was that jesus based his life on communist/socialisitc principles, giving to the poor, condeming the rich (capitalis) etc.
You can play coy all you want, answer the question. He said to spread the wealth around, quite fucking clearly, maybe you need to re read your bible. I also like how you literally stick to the good book when it's self seving, he never explicitly stated anything about socialism, but hates gays right?
Source for your charitable claim? You go from stating jesus never have an ideology to charity being a right leaning principle, I assume suggesting jesus would be right leaning?
Can you make a guess or do you only abide by what is explicity written in the bible?
You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. So Jesus didn't promote socialism, he just "based his life on communist/socialisitc principles, giving to the poor, condeming the rich (capitalis) etc." lol That's ridiculous.
Communism/socialism isn't about "giving to the poor," it's about taking from the haves, under threat of prison, and giving to the have nots. It's where the government controls the private sector. Jesus didn't say anything about communism or socialism, or communist/socialist "principles."
Jesus didn't hate gays so not sure where that is coming from.
You're pretty good at finding Bible verses, so I'll let you look up the ones where he talks about giving to the poor, or where he actually helps the poor, or where he recommends one rich guy give his money away, etc. Not hard to find. What you will not find is where he recommends that the government force people to take money or possessions from hard working folks to give to others.
No, I don't think Jesus would be "right leaning." I've already answered that question.
My overall view of the Bible is there are commands, guidelines, and suggestions. The commands overall are black and white. Guidelines and suggestions are in a gray area. For instance, the prohibition on murder is clear. The comments by Solomon about alcohol are more of a suggestion IMO. Same with dietary guidelines. But none of it bothers me. It's people like you who get their panties in a bunch over it.
And what always cracks me up is how much time people like you spend reading (cherry picking) a book you don't believe in and talking about an entity you don't believe exists. It's comical. :)
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"And what always cracks me up is how much time people like you spend reading (cherry picking) a book you don't believe in and talking about an entity you don't believe exists. It's comical. "
I'd love to not talk about the bible ever again.. but.. when it is constantly shoved in non believers faces, over time you just say "what the hell" and start pushing back a little. I find I am much more knowledgeable about the very book believers claim was inspired by their gods, and contains direct qoutes from their god. Hell, the majority of believers in this country haven't even bothered to read their gods book cover to cover but want to tell me about it... now THAT'S comical :)
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You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. So Jesus didn't promote socialism, he just "based his life on communist/socialisitc principles, giving to the poor, condeming the rich (capitalis) etc." lol That's ridiculous.
Communism/socialism isn't about "giving to the poor," it's about taking from the haves, under threat of prison, and giving to the have nots. It's where the government controls the private sector. Jesus didn't say anything about communism or socialism, or communist/socialist "principles."
Jesus didn't hate gays so not sure where that is coming from.
You're pretty good at finding Bible verses, so I'll let you look up the ones where he talks about giving to the poor, or where he actually helps the poor, or where he recommends one rich guy give his money away, etc. Not hard to find. What you will not find is where he recommends that the government force people to take money or possessions from hard working folks to give to others.
No, I don't think Jesus would be "right leaning." I've already answered that question.
My overall view of the Bible is there are commands, guidelines, and suggestions. The commands overall are black and white. Guidelines and suggestions are in a gray area. For instance, the prohibition on murder is clear. The comments by Solomon about alcohol are more of a suggestion IMO. Same with dietary guidelines. But none of it bothers me. It's people like you who get their panties in a bunch over it.
And what always cracks me up is how much time people like you spend reading (cherry picking) a book you don't believe in and talking about an entity you don't believe exists. It's comical. :)
liberal media teaches these young media obsessed people that socialism IS about giving to the poor. that's why he thinks that. young impressionable, and not very well read people believe this bullshit.
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You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. So Jesus didn't promote socialism, he just "based his life on communist/socialisitc principles, giving to the poor, condeming the rich (capitalis) etc." lol That's ridiculous.
He didn't devote his life to others? expouse charity, condem the rich, the greedy, the opulent? he didn't see the poor as the most important. I am stating that socialism and communism have properties that jesus was fond of, that's all.
Communism/socialism isn't about "giving to the poor," it's about taking from the haves, under threat of prison, and giving to the have nots. It's where the government controls the private sector. Jesus didn't say anything about communism or socialism, or communist/socialist "principles."
He didn't say anything about them, I have stated that, what you are doing is obfuscating the argument. Stop it will this non-sense, if the nuance is too much for you stop debating.
Jesus didn't hate gays so not sure where that is coming from.
I didn't say that, read the sentence again and understand what I am implying.
You're pretty good at finding Bible verses, so I'll let you look up the ones where he talks about giving to the poor, or where he actually helps the poor, or where he recommends one rich guy give his money away, etc. Not hard to find. What you will not find is where he recommends that the government force people to take money or possessions from hard working folks to give to others.
So you are basing your life on not what he said but what he didn't say and using your interpretation of the unspoken stuff to live your life, sounds cool.
No, I don't think Jesus would be "right leaning." I've already answered that question.
He wouldn' be, that much is clear, he was not for profit that is clear. However, do you actually think he exists? if so you don't seem to take his teachings very seriously
My overall view of the Bible is there are commands, guidelines, and suggestions. The commands overall are black and white. Guidelines and suggestions are in a gray area. For instance, the prohibition on murder is clear. The comments by Solomon about alcohol are more of a suggestion IMO. Same with dietary guidelines. But none of it bothers me. It's people like you who get their panties in a bunch over it.
And what always cracks me up is how much time people like you spend reading (cherry picking) a book you don't believe in and talking about an entity you don't believe exists. It's comical. :)
A simpleton would find it amusing that someone like me is argues against the imaginary. It couldn't be because of the oppression it causes? child rape? etc...What cracks me up is that you live your life by a book written by sheep hearders yet can't seem to follow it. Relgion is evil and as hitch put it, poisons EVERYTHING. I am against not thinking, wether or not the source is real or not, the consequences certianly are.
People argue for ideas everyday, things that don't exist, ideas aren't harmless.
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You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. So Jesus didn't promote socialism, he just "based his life on communist/socialisitc principles, giving to the poor, condeming the rich (capitalis) etc." lol That's ridiculous.
Communism/socialism isn't about "giving to the poor," it's about taking from the haves, under threat of prison, and giving to the have nots. It's where the government controls the private sector. Jesus didn't say anything about communism or socialism, or communist/socialist "principles."
Jesus didn't hate gays so not sure where that is coming from.
You're pretty good at finding Bible verses, so I'll let you look up the ones where he talks about giving to the poor, or where he actually helps the poor, or where he recommends one rich guy give his money away, etc. Not hard to find. What you will not find is where he recommends that the government force people to take money or possessions from hard working folks to give to others.
No, I don't think Jesus would be "right leaning." I've already answered that question.
My overall view of the Bible is there are commands, guidelines, and suggestions. The commands overall are black and white. Guidelines and suggestions are in a gray area. For instance, the prohibition on murder is clear. The comments by Solomon about alcohol are more of a suggestion IMO. Same with dietary guidelines. But none of it bothers me. It's people like you who get their panties in a bunch over it.
It wouldn't bother you, why would being a hypocrite, self seving girl be a problem to you? I get it, you piece together the parts you like and parts you don't and don't worry about the details.
And what always cracks me up is how much time people like you spend reading (cherry picking) a book you don't believe in and talking about an entity you don't believe exists. It's comical. :)
Also, I forgot to lulz at your description of communism, lol. Get your head out of your ass, you are indebted to a communist regime.
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you're confusing capitalism with consumerism and socialism with charity. forced redistribution of wealth by government is NOT charity. and jesus does not "condemn the rich". he condemns the people who make money a priority over God. there are rich people who do great things with their money. there are poor people who do great things with their money.
it's obvious you like to pick away at Christians interpretation of the bible.
Exactly.
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"And what always cracks me up is how much time people like you spend reading (cherry picking) a book you don't believe in and talking about an entity you don't believe exists. It's comical. "
I'd love to not talk about the bible ever again.. but.. when it is constantly shoved in non believers faces, over time you just say "what the hell" and start pushing back a little. I find I am much more knowledgeable about the very book believers claim was inspired by their gods, and contains direct qoutes from their god. Hell, the majority of believers in this country haven't even bothered to read their gods book cover to cover but want to tell me about it... now THAT'S comical :)
I push back because it's a failed hypothesis that does nothing but slow progression. It's poison.
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"And what always cracks me up is how much time people like you spend reading (cherry picking) a book you don't believe in and talking about an entity you don't believe exists. It's comical. "
I'd love to not talk about the bible ever again.. but.. when it is constantly shoved in non believers faces, over time you just say "what the hell" and start pushing back a little. I find I am much more knowledgeable about the very book believers claim was inspired by their gods, and contains direct qoutes from their god. Hell, the majority of believers in this country haven't even bothered to read their gods book cover to cover but want to tell me about it... now THAT'S comical :)
Do you have a lot of Christians shoving the Bible in your face? If so, can you give a few examples? Interested to hear your experiences.
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liberal media teaches these young media obsessed people that socialism IS about giving to the poor. that's why he thinks that. young impressionable, and not very well read people believe this bullshit.
True.
Nothing voluntary about socialism.
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you're confusing capitalism with consumerism and socialism with charity. forced redistribution of wealth by government is NOT charity. and jesus does not "condemn the rich". he condemns the people who make money a priority over God. there are rich people who do great things with their money. there are poor people who do great things with their money.
it's obvious you like to pick away at Christians interpretation of the bible.
Am, he condemn's the rich you asshat. How doesn't he? he literally condemns them to hell, LMAO! how stupid are you?
Also, I am not confusing shit. communism is a socialist system of redistibution and control of resources and production. Charity is something else, regardless you guys are treating them as mutually exclusive which is the source of confusion. you can be both.
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Do you have a lot of Christians shoving the Bible in your face? If so, can you give a few examples? Interested to hear your experiences.
Sure, mt soledad. How's that?
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People argue for ideas everyday, things that don't exist, ideas aren't harmless.
The imbedded red stuff is too hard to read.
You folks do make me laugh though. :)
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True.
Nothing voluntary about socialism.
So stupid. so people voting for the system aren't volunteering by showing support?
Your right, germany is a dictatorship, no choice, they are rounded up by the gustapo and brought to a shower where they are forced to wash each other, you know, socialism.
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Am, he condemn's the rich you asshat. How doesn't he? he literally condemns them to hell, LMAO! how stupid are you?
Also, I am not confusing shit. communism is a socialist system of redistibution and control of resources and production. Charity is something else, regardless you guys are treating them as mutually exclusive which is the source of confusion. you can be both.
yeah you're simply wrong. there's no other way to say it. so go on your little pea brained rant.
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Also, I forgot to lulz at your description of communism, lol. Get your head out of your ass, you are indebted to a communist regime.
You want to hear something really funny?
What is apparent is that the more socialist you are the better you run. Makes sense, since the people get the governments benefits, unlike the us who give them to the corps who then suck the system dry.
lol
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I just find it scary that this kid is so consumed by the liberal media that he actually believes that Christians are taught that Jesus condemns people who make a lot of money to hell.
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Sure, mt soledad. How's that?
I was asking for his personal experience. Are you talking your personal experience? Can you be a little more specific?
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yeah you're simply wrong. there's no other way to say it. so go on your little pea brained rant.
Ok retard, before you get run off again follow along.
Condemn means to disapprove, usually completely. Now, is jesus against the rich?
I just happen to put some quotes outlining just that.
Who was wrong again?
"Looking at the man, Jesus felt genuine love for him. “There is still one thing you haven’t done,” he told him. “Go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
run along moron.
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I was asking for his personal experience. Are you talking your personal experience? Can you be a little more specific?
Not personal, I was pointing out that this thread's content exhibits what you are talking about. You have public property that christians think is their personal worhip center. A big cross on shared property isn't ramming it down your thoart?
Imagine the opposite.
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I just find it scary that this kid is so consumed by the liberal media that he actually believes that Christians are taught that Jesus condemns people who make a lot of money to hell.
Yeah. It's silly. If you read what Proverbs has to say about money and wealth, it actually encourages people to be debt free, save, etc. The problem is, as you already pointed out, the people who let money and wealth consume them and interfere with their spiritual relationships. But money and wealth in and of themselves are not condemned. If that were the case, every character in the Bible would have been broke.
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Ok retard, before you get run off again follow along.
Condemn means to disapprove, usually completely. Now, is jesus against the rich?
I just happen to put some quotes outlining just that.
Who was wrong again?
"Looking at the man, Jesus felt genuine love for him. “There is still one thing you haven’t done,” he told him. “Go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
run along moron.
right. but ultimately the man had a choice. and that and only that choice to give up all of his possessions is what would make him worthy of heaven. someone coming up to him and forcibly taking his possessions would not have the same effect.
you obviously have never actually studied the bible. and it shows. and you are the last person on this board who should be calling anyone a moron.
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Not personal, I was pointing out that this thread's content exhibits what you are talking about. You have public property that christians think is their personal worhip center. A big cross on shared property isn't ramming it down your thoart?
Imagine the opposite.
No, it's not ramming anything down anyone's throat. I drive by a Bhuddist temple and school every day. Doesn't bother me at all. I see religious symbols (Jewish, Catholic, etc.) of all kinds all over the place. I've seen mosques all the over place. Not a problem.
But I'm not a paranoid anti-religious extremist, so maybe that's why.
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No, it's not ramming anything down anyone's throat. I drive by a Bhuddist temple and school every day. Doesn't bother me at all. I see religious symbols (Jewish, Catholic, etc.) of all kinds all over the place. I've seen mosques all the over place. Not a problem.
But I'm not a paranoid anti-religious extremist, so maybe that's why.
neither is he. he just likes to pick on Christians. because tv and radio is teaching him everyday that it is ok.
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you're confusing capitalism with consumerism and socialism with charity. forced redistribution of wealth by government is NOT charity. and jesus does not "condemn the rich". he condemns the people who make money a priority over God. there are rich people who do great things with their money. there are poor people who do great things with their money.
it's obvious you like to pick away at Christians interpretation of the bible.
This shows your intellect. So you are implying that if a rich person loves god they will get into heaven?
23 Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the Kingdom of God!” 24 This amazed them. But Jesus said again, “Dear children, it is very hard to enter the Kingdom of God. 25 In fact, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of Go
What jesus meant to say according to bears, is that if you use your wealth for good (whatever good is, it's subjective, but idiots make stupid points all the time) you will enter heaven. Jesus got it wrong according to bears, he was joshin ya wit the camel through the eye of needle bit, it was pure hyperbole, god is impulsive and blurts out shit sometimes.
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right. but ultimately the man had a choice. and that and only that choice to give up all of his possessions is what would make him worthy of heaven. someone coming up to him and forcibly taking his possessions would not have the same effect.
you obviously have never actually studied the bible. and it shows. and you are the last person on this board who should be calling anyone a moron.
I didn't say anything about forcible removal, nor is socialism forcible removal or possesions. Taxes could be seen as forcible removal of possesions, guess the US is socialist and always has been right?
Study the bible? LOLOOLOLO. what is there to "study" stupid Ideas that were written by ancient man. Ideas so fucking stupid no one in their right mind practices them. Do you stone people who work the sabbath? do you own slaves?
it's like saying I haven't studied astrology.
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This shows your intellect. So you are implying that if a rich person loves god they will get into heaven?
23 Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the Kingdom of God!” 24 This amazed them. But Jesus said again, “Dear children, it is very hard to enter the Kingdom of God. 25 In fact, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of Go
What jesus meant to say according to bears, is that if you use your wealth for good (whatever good is, it's subjective, but idiots make stupid points all the time) you will enter heaven. Jesus got it wrong according to bears, he was joshin ya wit the camel through the eye of needle bit, it was pure hyperbole, god is impulsive and blurts out shit sometimes.
you are showing your childlike interpretation of the bible.
it IS very hard for a rich man to enter heaven. I do not disagree with that at all. because along with money comes a lot of other temptations.
Money and greed makes slaves of a lot of us. in fact you don't have to even be rich for money to control your life. there are very many people who don't have much money at all and they still allow material wants to rule their lives. they still behave in a materialistic manner and allow greed to rule their lives and relationships.
why are you sitting on here telling Christians how to interpret the Bible when your interpretation of it is akin to a 7 year old?
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I didn't say anything about forcible removal, nor is socialism forcible removal or possesions. Taxes could be seen as forcible removal of possesions, guess the US is socialist and always has been right?
Study the bible? LOLOOLOLO. what is there to "study" stupid Ideas that were written by ancient man. Ideas so fucking stupid no one in their right mind practices them. Do you stone people who work the sabbath? do you own slaves?
it's like saying I haven't studied astrology.
so now you resort to petty insults. typical liberal.
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but again you see no problem in insulting the bible. you feel empowered because you have been inundated by tv and radio that its ok. and it makes you look smart and evolved.
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you are showing your childlike interpretation of the bible.
it IS very hard for a rich man to enter heaven. I do not disagree with that at all. because along with money comes a lot of other temptations.
Money and greed makes slaves of a lot of us. in fact you don't have to even be rich for money to control your life. there are very many people who don't have much money at all and they still allow material wants to rule their lives. they still behave in a materialistic manner and allow greed to rule their lives and relationships.
why are you sitting on here telling Christians how to interpret the Bible when your interpretation of it is akin to a 7 year old?
My childlike interpretation. you read camel through the eye of a needle as "very hard", no moron, it's impossible. He was being hyperbolic to get the message across, it ain't happening, sorry.
Again I have a childlike interpretation? You sound like benny hinn in the second paragraph, how much money should I send you, it's evil gross stuff.
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but again you see no problem in insulting the bible. you feel empowered because you have been inundated by tv and radio that its ok. and it makes you look smart and evolved.
I have no problem insulting anything specifically a book that condones infantacide.
Nor do I have a problem insulting imaginary people, I am as worried about Jesus as you are about odin.
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so now you resort to petty insults. typical liberal.
yeah you're simply wrong. there's no other way to say it. so go on your little pea brained rant.
so your a typ. liberal ;D
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so your a typ. liberal ;D
He isn't even consistent with his lies or beliefs, that's a sign of a stupid human, they need others to inform them.
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so your a typ. liberal ;D
you're right. I shouldn't have said that. he's just SOOOO STUPID though. last month he told me is was a bad employer because I "didn't read Obamacare".
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He isn't even consistent with his lies or beliefs, that's a sign of a stupid human, they need others to inform them.
right and you fail to see that there are many people who get rich off of socialism. it's simply a different group of people. I think its funny how you think all our ills will be cured with socialism. its like you're 3 years old.
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Do you have a lot of Christians shoving the Bible in your face? If so, can you give a few examples? Interested to hear your experiences.
Few examples..
Every Department promotional ceremony, every Department graduation ceremony, almost every family gathering, ocassionally it comes up during social gatherings and I'm assumed to share their personal belief and find myself almost having to defend why I don't believe in a supernatural spirit like they do. School sporting events, school graduations, typical conversations after a natural disaster or school shooting on why it would have been much worse if God hadn't existed..Billboards along the highways things like that.. Texas is chest deep in this Jesus thing and wear it like a crown
In fact, I find the fact Christians think their belief is under assault laughable.. they have for years beat people over the head with their belief and when people finally have had enough they whine about their religion being attacked... irony
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Few examples..
Every Department promotional ceremony, every Department graduation ceremony, almost every family gathering, ocassionally it comes up during social gatherings and I'm assumed to share their personal belief and find myself almost having to defend why I don't believe in a supernatural spirit like they do. School sporting events, school graduations, typical conversations after a natural disaster or school shooting on why it would have been much worse if God hadn't existed..Billboards along the highways things like that.. Texas is chest deep in this Jesus thing and wear it like a crown
In fact, I find the fact Christians think their belief is under assault laughable.. they have for years beat people over the head with their belief and when people finally have had enough they whine about their religion being attacked... irony
Most of that sounds like people just making expressions of faith rather than proselytizing.
What happens at the department promotional and graduation ceremonies?
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right and you fail to see that there are many people who get rich off of socialism. it's simply a different group of people. I think its funny how you think all our ills will be cured with socialism. its like you're 3 years old.
strawman
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Most of that sounds like people just making expressions of faith rather than proselytizing.
What happens at the department promotional and graduation ceremonies?
Usually held in a church, always started and ended with a prayer to jesus. I feel like a captive audience. I came for the ceremony, and I feel forcing people to listen to a group of people going through a meaningless religious ritual that even contradicts their own gods teaching is unneccessary and rude.
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Usually held in a church, always started and ended with a prayer to jesus. I feel like a captive audience. I came for the ceremony, and I feel forcing people to listen to a group of people going through a meaningless religious ritual that even contradicts their own gods teaching is unneccessary and rude.
Thanks for sharing that.
We all have different perspectives and tolerance levels. I've participated in a Buddhist prayer and it didn't bother me at all. I had to listen to Muslim prayers blasted over loud speakers and, although it initially irritated me, I came to respect their devotion.
I participated in a Bar Mitzvah and wasn't offended at all.
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Thanks for sharing that.
We all have different perspectives and tolerance levels. I've participated in a Buddhist prayer and it didn't bother me at all. I had to listen to Muslim prayers blasted over loud speakers and, although it initially irritated me, I came to respect their devotion.
I participated in a Bar Mitzvah and wasn't offended at all.
Sounds like you were choosing those...I participated in a Buddhist funeral. That was my choice, I don't count that.
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Sounds like you were choosing those...
Not all of them, but I'm adult so I wasn't "forced" to participate. I did it out of respect.
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Not all of them, but I'm adult so I wasn't "forced" to participate. I did it out of respect.
I see what you did there..
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I see what you did there..
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Not all of them, but I'm adult so I wasn't "forced" to participate. I did it out of respect.
Ever think about extending that respect to the un-faithful?
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Ever think about extending that respect to the un-faithful?
I do it all the time. Who I don't respect are paranoid anti-religious extremists who go around the country crying about something they don't believe in, filing lawsuits, etc.
Ever think about respecting people of faith?
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;D
So these wusses feel "forced", insulted or that christianity is being "shoved" in their faces just because they see a cross in public, a bible used in a political/graduation ceremony, and some christian billboards?
Bunch of chumps.
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I do it all the time. Who I don't respect are paranoid anti-religious extremists who go around the country crying about something they don't believe in, filing lawsuits, etc.
Ever think about respecting people of faith?
I respect people not beliefs. Each person is unique, the new pope for example is someone I would respect very much and do. He is about it, negro sneaks out at night and helps the poor.
Filing lawsuits to remove the overreaching of religion? like putting your religious symbol on shared property? that type of lawsuit? why wouldn't you respect fairness and justice?
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;D
So these wusses feel "forced", insulted or that christianity is being "shoved" in their faces just because they see a cross in public, a bible used in a political/graduation ceremony, and some christian billboards?
Bunch of chumps.
The minute you guys get push back you run around crying. Public property is not your's, nor is it a christian piece of land. I like whats going on, I would prefer to push a muslim agenda to see you guys squirm. Imagine if the cross was taken down for a muslim symbol? I wonder what the christians would be saying.
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I respect people not beliefs. Each person is unique, the new pope for example is someone I would respect very much and do. He is about it, negro sneaks out at night and helps the poor.
Filing lawsuits to remove the overreaching of religion? like putting your religious symbol on shared property? that type of lawsuit? why wouldn't you respect fairness and justice?
I respect both people and their beliefs. Unlike liberals who preach (but rarely practice) tolerance, I have no problem accepting and respecting people who have beliefs that differ from mine, including my atheist and agnostic friends. I'm not threatened by them at all.
I like what I've heard about the new pope too.
Yes, going around the country looking for religious symbols and claiming they are harmed is stupid. We have a guy here who spends an inordinate amount of life doing that crap. Two examples are crying about state legislators who had a fish symbol on their office door. Really??
Another was finding a cross on an Army base, up at the top of a hiking trail. Talk about someone who needs to get a life.
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The minute you guys get push back you run around crying. Public property is not your's, nor is it a christian piece of land. I like whats going on, I would prefer to push a muslim agenda to see you guys squirm. Imagine if the cross was taken down for a muslim symbol? I wonder what the christians would be saying.
I know what I would be saying.. same thing.. it doesn't belong there.
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I respect both people and their beliefs. Unlike liberals who preach (but rarely practice) tolerance, I have no problem accepting and respecting people who have beliefs that differ from mine, including my atheist and agnostic friends. I'm not threatened by them at all.
I like what I've heard about the new pope too.
Yes, going around the country looking for religious symbols and claiming they are harmed is stupid. We have a guy here who spends an inordinate amount of life doing that crap. Two examples are crying about state legislators who had a fish symbol on their office door. Really??
Another was finding a cross on an Army base, up at the top of a hiking trail. Talk about someone who needs to get a life.
I am not tolerant of childish idiots who claim things like god has told me, god has a plan. It's delusion by definition, you can't speak to god because I can't and if you want to test it let's get er done.
You are so use to having things your way that you use these examples of proof of needing a life, when really it's an example of overreaching, why put a cross there? it's a fucking hiking trail, fuck off with god. What if you walked up a trail and it had muslim designations, you wouldn't find that odd? You have a sense of entitlement like a child, most religious do, you aren't special.
I don't preach blind tolerance, I don't tolerate religion, I don't
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I am not tolerant of childish idiots who claim things like god has told me, god has a plan. It's delusion by definition, you can't speak to god because I can't and if you want to test it let's get er done.
You are so use to having things your way that you use these examples of proof of needing a life, when really it's an example of overreaching, why put a cross there? it's a fucking hiking trail, fuck off with god. What if you walked up a trail and it had muslim designations, you wouldn't find that odd? You have a sense of entitlement like a child, most religious do, you aren't special.
I don't preach blind tolerance, I don't tolerate religion, I don't
You are the epitome of intolerance. Cannot really add anything more to what you posted. Says a lot. Unfortunately, there are a handful of others like you in the U.S. who go around the country using/abusing the court system.
Hey maybe you should join one of those atheist churches so you and likeminded people can spend more time talking about something you don't believe in?
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You are the epitome of intolerance. Cannot really add anything more to what you posted. Says a lot. Unfortunately, there are a handful of others like you in the U.S. who go around the country using/abusing the court system.
Hey maybe you should join one of those atheist churches so you and likeminded people can spend more time talking about something you don't believe in?
Unlike you I don't pretend to be "tolerant", I am intolerant to some things, tolerant to other, it's called being able to think. I am intolerable to the relgious whining I hear and the attack on christmas, but I am tolerant of your right to religion, assembly and practice, just keep it to yourself.
You are trolling with the last line, an idea is imaginary but is certainly worth discussing. What you are stating here is that things that don't actually exist, ie concrete are a waste of time talking about. is that your contention? Thus only those things that "exist" exert any influence on things that "exist".
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I am not tolerant of childish idiots who claim things like god has told me, god has a plan. It's delusion by definition, you can't speak to god because I can't and if you want to test it let's get er done.
You are so use to having things your way that you use these examples of proof of needing a life, when really it's an example of overreaching, why put a cross there? it's a fucking hiking trail, fuck off with god. What if you walked up a trail and it had muslim designations, you wouldn't find that odd? You have a sense of entitlement like a child, most religious do, you aren't special.
I don't preach blind tolerance, I don't tolerate religion, I don't
say what you want dude. it's not a coincidence nor does it surprise me that your beliefs fall directly in line with the new age commercial brand of liberalism that we see being pushed on us on tv everyday.
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Unlike you I don't pretend to be "tolerant", I am intolerant to some things, tolerant to other, it's called being able to think. I am intolerable to the relgious whining I hear and the attack on christmas, but I am tolerant of your right to religion, assembly and practice, just keep it to yourself.
You are trolling with the last line, an idea is imaginary but is certainly worth discussing. What you are stating here is that things that don't actually exist, ie concrete are a waste of time talking about. is that your contention? Thus only those things that "exist" exert any influence on things that "exist".
I don't pretend to be tolerant. I actually practice it. I live it. You don't. But that's ok. There are others like you, which is why I recommended the atheist churches. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=505682.0
You'd probably find some kindred spirits.
My contention is people who organize, protest, and define themselves based on something they don't believe in is laugh out loud funny. :)
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Unlike you I don't pretend to be "tolerant", I am intolerant to some things, tolerant to other, it's called being able to think. I am intolerable to the relgious whining I hear and the attack on christmas, but I am tolerant of your right to religion, assembly and practice, just keep it to yourself.
You are trolling with the last line, an idea is imaginary but is certainly worth discussing. What you are stating here is that things that don't actually exist, ie concrete are a waste of time talking about. is that your contention? Thus only those things that "exist" exert any influence on things that "exist".
can you find a thread where Beach or I insult the Koran? or any other religion? can you? nope.
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I don't pretend to be tolerant. I actually practice it. I live it. You don't. But that's ok. There are others like you, which is why I recommended the atheist churches. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=505682.0
You'd probably find some kindred spirits.
My contention is people who organize, protest, and define themselves based on something they don't believe in is laugh out loud funny. :)
I dont; practice tolerance, you have it in some areas and not in others.
You practice tolerance? are you for taking down this cross, if not you are not tolerant as it offends people who aren't christian that they are paying for a christian monument. You are showing zero fucking tolerance there, you are being the one tolerated.
"My contention is people who organize, protest, and define themselves based on something they don't believe in is laugh out loud funny. "
Your right, why would anyone protest the religious? it's not like they are flying planes into buildings? burning witchs etc. I mean there clearly are no real world consquences to those beliefs right? Maybe you should go back to elementary school, might find some kindred spirits and some stimulating intellectual convesation.
Your religion isn't even fucking tolerant, all those who disagree go to hell, quite the tolerant god you got there. Must be where you keen sense of tolerance comes from.
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say what you want dude. it's not a coincidence nor does it surprise me that your beliefs fall directly in line with the new age commercial brand of liberalism that we see being pushed on us on tv everyday.
OWNED. go away now.
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can you find a thread where Beach or I insult the Koran? or any other religion? can you? nope.
Hold on, I will take tomorrow off and go through your post history.
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I dont; practice tolerance, you have it in some areas and not in others.
You practice tolerance? are you for taking down this cross, if not you are not tolerant as it offends people who aren't christian that they are paying for a christian monument. You are showing zero fucking tolerance there, you are being the one tolerated.
"My contention is people who organize, protest, and define themselves based on something they don't believe in is laugh out loud funny. "
Your right, why would anyone protest the religious? it's not like they are flying planes into buildings? burning witchs etc. I mean there clearly are no real world consquences to those beliefs right? Maybe you should go back to elementary school, might find some kindred spirits and some stimulating intellectual convesation.
Your religion isn't even fucking tolerant, all those who disagree go to hell, quite the tolerant god you got there. Must be where you keen sense of tolerance comes from.
I don't have a problem with religious symbols on public property. And I could care less if a handful of dummies are offended by religious symbols. As I've said, I have zero tolerance for paranoid anti-religious extremists. Tolerance doesn't mean you cater to every crybaby in the country.
Yes, why would someone define themselves based on something they don't believe exists. They have clubs, websites, magazines, annual meetings, etc. It's really silly if you actually think about it. The really funny part is when they then model themselves after Christian churches. There is obviously something missing in their lives.
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Hold on, I will take tomorrow off and go through your post history.
ok. go ahead. make sure you read obamacare real quick too.
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Hold on, I will take tomorrow off and go through your post history.
and you'd have to take a whole day off. i can look at your post history for 15 seconds and I'd find you insulting a number of groups about their beliefs. why? well because you've been taught by the television set that you can be an asshole to certain groups but not others.
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I don't have a problem with religious symbols on public property. And I could care less if a handful of dummies are offended by religious symbols. As I've said, I have zero tolerance for paranoid anti-religious extremists. Tolerance doesn't mean you cater to every crybaby in the country.
Yes, why would someone define themselves based on something they don't believe exists. They have clubs, websites, magazines, annual meetings, etc. It's really silly if you actually think about it. The really funny part is when they then model themselves after Christian churches. There is obviously something missing in their lives.
haha exactly, you expect to be tolerated while showing no tolerance, lol at dummies being offended, nice tolerance. Dude why do you even engage me? if you practice tolerance then yes you must be tolerant of everyone.
Tolerance or toleration is a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one's own; freedom from bigotry.
I have never seen, heard or meet with anyone that goes to these churches? how many even fucking exist? I don't think it's silly to base one's life defending a lie perpetuated through the ages to keep people obidient and afraid. Dawkins does it because it effects his work, it suspends critical thinking. So while you may be laughing at his attempt those oppressed by religion, including yours, wont be. The kid who was ass fucked by a priest isn;t laughing, nor is he laughing when he rails against the church and religion. Oh the church condeming condoms in Africa, god doesn't exist but his impact is apparent. That's what they are fighting, your stupid beliefs and the off shoots of them.
You would probably say the same thing during the inquisition, belief was killing it.
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and you'd have to take a whole day off. i can look at your post history for 15 seconds and I'd find you insulting a number of groups about their beliefs. why? well because you've been taught by the television set that you can be an asshole to certain groups but not others.
I insult alot of things, I rarely have a post where I am not mocking something or someone. You must be a sleuth.
I can be an asshole to whoever I want, I don;t have to listen to you or your beliefs and I don't have to show respect or remorse for my comments. I don't need your permission or allowance.
Religion is distasteful to me because it's obviously false. If you feel good perpetuating and precipatating lies go ahead, but remember I am the asshole.
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the problem with necrosis is that he believes that if he just keeps talking, his bullshit will eventually become palatable. this is my last post. go on and insult Christians and the bible all you want. everyone reading this thread knows you're full of shit and don't really know much.
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haha exactly, you expect to be tolerated while showing no tolerance, lol at dummies being offended, nice tolerance. Dude why do you even engage me? if you practice tolerance then yes you must be tolerant of everyone.
Tolerance or toleration is a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one's own; freedom from bigotry.
I have never seen, heard or meet with anyone that goes to these churches? how many even fucking exist? I don't think it's silly to base one's life defending a lie perpetuated through the ages to keep people obidient and afraid. Dawkins does it because it effects his work, it suspends critical thinking. So while you may be laughing at his attempt those oppressed by religion, including yours, wont be. The kid who was ass fucked by a priest isn;t laughing, nor is he laughing when he rails against the church and religion. Oh the church condeming condoms in Africa, god doesn't exist but his impact is apparent. That's what they are fighting, your stupid beliefs and the off shoots of them.
You would probably say the same thing during the inquisition, belief was killing it.
Why do I engage you? Good question. lol
I've already explained tolerance. You don't understand it. That's fine. No big deal.
Your attempt to try and explain atheist churches doesn't make them any less humorous.
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Why do I engage you? Good question. lol
I've already explained tolerance. You don't understand it. That's fine. No big deal.
Your attempt to try and explain atheist churches doesn't make them any less humorous.
I put the definition there.
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I put the definition there.
You don't get it. Being tolerant doesn't mean you let someone do whatever the heck they want. It means you respect their beliefs or choices. It doesn't mean you have to agree that those beliefs or choices get incorporated into public policy.
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I don't have a problem with religious symbols on public property. And I could care less if a handful of dummies are offended by religious symbols. As I've said, I have zero tolerance for paranoid anti-religious extremists. Tolerance doesn't mean you cater to every crybaby in the country.
Yes, why would someone define themselves based on something they don't believe exists. They have clubs, websites, magazines, annual meetings, etc. It's really silly if you actually think about it. The really funny part is when they then model themselves after Christian churches. There is obviously something missing in their lives.
Some people are just strange that way I guess. I don't get the gamers.. people who build their lives around playing video games, networking and going to comic con type things. But they don't bother me so I couldn't care less. They don't try and legislate their hobby into laws that impact my life..
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You don't get it. Being tolerant doesn't mean you let someone do whatever the heck they want. It means you respect their beliefs or choices. It doesn't mean you have to agree that those beliefs or choices get incorporated into public policy.
I'll meet you halfway.. I can respect a persons right to a particular belief as long as belief in said thing doesn't impact me, but if you are asking me to respect a persons belief in scientology or mormons or psychics etc etc.. nah......
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Some people are just strange that way I guess. I don't get the gamers.. people who build their lives around playing video games, networking and going to comic con type things. But they don't bother me so I couldn't care less. They don't try and legislate their hobby into laws that impact my life..
I guess they could. Wouldn't really bother me. But even gamers are more rational IMO, because they re focused on entertainment.
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I guess they could. Wouldn't really bother me. But even gamers are more rational IMO, because they re focused on entertainment.
agreed, more rational than believers
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I'll meet you halfway.. I can respect a persons right to a particular belief as long as belief in said thing doesn't impact me, but if you are asking me to respect a persons belief in scientology or mormons or psychics etc etc.. nah......
Sounds reasonable, although I'm not sure we agree on when a particular belief actually starts to affect you?
I'm not sure I know anyone who is in into scientology, but I know plenty of mormons. Don't share their beliefs, but I respect them. They are good people.
I had a great conversation with a female Muslim the other day. Dispelled some beliefs I had about their religion. Pretty enlightening.
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agreed, more rational than believers
I meant more rational than activist atheists. :)
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Sounds reasonable, although I'm not sure we agree on when a particular belief actually starts to affect you?
I'm not sure I know anyone who is in into scientology, but I know plenty of mormons. Don't share their beliefs, but I respect them. They are good people.
I had a great conversation with a female Muslim the other day. Dispelled some beliefs I had about their religion. Pretty enlightening.
Sure it was, Muslims are taught to lie to infidels to keep them unsuspecting.. at least that's what one of my Christian friends tell me
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Sure it was, Muslims are taught to lie to infidels to keep them unsuspecting.. at least that's what one of my Christian friends tell me
lol. Might be talking about radical Islam, which I don't even think is a religion.
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You're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm saying Christianity IS NOT a religion.
religionPhrase
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n.noun
1.
Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
2.
A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
3.
The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
4.
A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
5.
A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion
Yeah....right
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the problem with necrosis is that he believes that if he just keeps talking, his bullshit will eventually become palatable. this is my last post. go on and insult Christians and the bible all you want. everyone reading this thread knows you're full of shit and don't really know much.
:'(
You sound like a baby.