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No...
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But James Bond was a white middle\upper class gentleman
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He is a fictional character...
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He is a fictional character...
So was Gandalf, Captain America, Batman, Mohammed, Zeus, Thor, Odin, Hercules etc but you don't see them being replaced by Hebrews any day soon.
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He is a fictional character...
In that case, it wouldn't bother you if he was a transgender,amputee midget with a fetish for scat?
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Wouldnt bother me but I also wouldn't watch it. I bet they make James Bond female before making him black.
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Would it bother you if Ben Affleck played Nelson Mandela in a film.
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Woody Allen or Danny DeVito as Marvels Black Panther, Luke Cage, Malcolm X, Mandela in a biopic?
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Since James Bond grew up without a father, him being black would be extremely realistic.
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Black, white, yellow, brown, I was never a huge Bond fan.
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a bunch of black actors come to mind that would be potential. i have no problem with it
u guys who oppose the idea of black bond probably think that a black james bond would turn the james bond franchise into a world star hip hop meme, but it's not so, it could actually make the serie darker, more sinister while staying true to the already fictive story
but a female bond would be abomination
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Never watched a James Bond film so no
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There's already been a black Bond. His name was Darnell Bond
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It wouldn't work. It would be like remaking The A-Team and having Mr T being played as a white man.
Bond is a upper class, white British male. Tom Hiddleston is the best choice to replace Craig.
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a bunch of black actors come to mind that would be potential. i have no problem with it
u guys who oppose the idea of black bond probably think that a black james bond would turn the james bond franchise into a world star hip hop meme, but it's not so, it could actually make the serie darker, more sinister while staying true to the already fictive story
but a female bond would be abomination
For the record: I do not oppose a black Bond. As you say, it's fiction. Would I worry about it becoming Rush Hour VII? Yes. Idris Elba? Good choice. Chris Tucker? Hell no.
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That's not how bond was written, I hate how things have to be altered just to please certain groups. If they want a black lead in a spy movie just make a new character.
I think idris Elba would suit that kind of role, he'd probably make a good bond but he doesn't fit the profile.
Same with Blade for example he is black and that's how it should stay, there's no need to mess with existing characters just to avoid upsetting people.
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That's not how bond was written, I hate how things have to be altered just to please certain groups. If they want a black lead in a spy movie just make a new character.
I think idris Elba would suit that kind of role, he'd probably make a good bond but he doesn't fit the profile.
Same with Blade for example he is black and that's how it should stay, there's no need to mess with existing characters just to avoid upsetting people.
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Although, a James Bond-movie with Melvin Goodrum would be hilarious.
Genre wouldn't be action or thriller though, but comedy / scatporn / documentary
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No, not really.
It's not like James Bond is particularly sacred, anymore.
Nothing is sacred, these days - You can hyperspace through shields ;
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People's reactions would be amusing but it wouldn't bother me. It's a movie, FFS!
I'm as sick of nerds whining about comic book and fictional characters being modified as I am of PC bullshit demanding everyone be included.
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It wouldn't work. It would be like remaking The A-Team and having Mr T being played as a white man.
Bond is a upper class, white British male. Tom Hiddleston is the best choice to replace Craig.
Dan Stevens would be my choice, already has the upper class bit nailed, if this movie ever makes it on Brit free tv prime time like hiddlestons latest show, people will be going mad for him to be bond.doing American accent here
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Let's be real: No one would accept James Bonds' attitude from a black character. People would perceive it as too arrogant. They'd have to dumb things down so people would feel comfortable by writing the character more humble, obedient, make some of the outcomes appear lucky, and throw in humor for scenarios where he was mentally superior.
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Let's be real: No one would accept James Bonds' attitude from a black character. People would perceive it as too arrogant. They'd have to dumb things down so people would feel comfortable by writing the character more humble, obedient, make some of the outcomes appear lucky, and throw in humor for scenarios where he was mentally superior.
You mean the racist people wouldn't.
Everybody would have already seen Idris Elba doing that type of thing in other movies..
He was fairly imperious in The Wire for a long time.
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Let's be real: No one would accept James Bonds' attitude from a black character. People would perceive it as too arrogant. They'd have to dumb things down so people would feel comfortable by writing the character more humble, obedient, make some of the outcomes appear lucky, and throw in humor for scenarios where he was mentally superior.
You mean the majority of the people on earth wouldn't.
I'm sure the Hebrews would like it. They'd probably say similar things such as "We Agents Now!" "We Spies Now!" "We President Now!" after that movie would be released in the theaters, whilst celebrating , jibber jabbering and tootin' and a hollerin' in the front row with Grape Dranks squirting all over (hebreic version of Champagne) and buckets of KFC and Watermelon tossed all over the theater, making it impossible for normal movie-goers to appreciate the movie.
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That's not how bond was written, I hate how things have to be altered just to please certain groups. If they want a black lead in a spy movie just make a new character.
I think idris Elba would suit that kind of role, he'd probably make a good bond but he doesn't fit the profile.
Same with Blade for example he is black and that's how it should stay, there's no need to mess with existing characters just to avoid upsetting people.
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What they gonna do after that, do a remake of Braveheart with a black actor playing William Wallace?
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What they gonna do after that, do a remake of Braveheart with a black actor playing William Wallace?
Why not a Black Christopher Columbus and Black Amerigo Vespucci discovering The Americas, with all the NorthAmerican Indians being black and the South American indians being White? :D
Followed by Kim Jong Un playing Marthin Luther King, "I have a Dream! To Destroy SouthKorea!"
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You mean the racist people wouldn't.
Everybody would have already seen Idris Elba doing that type of thing in other movies..
He was fairly imperious in The Wire for a long time.
There's a huge difference between being racist and having certain expectations and preconceived notions based upon race or nationality.
In the same vein, I don't believe a James Bond movie works if the character is recruited from America.
I do believe people would accept a non-traditional lead in an 006 movie where someone is trying to make 007 status and earn the James/Jane Bond title. People love Scarlet Johansen (sp?) so much in The Avengers that it might work and we all know damn well an ass that perfect could be used as a weapon against any straight man. :)
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I do believe people would accept a non-traditional lead in an 006 movie where someone is trying to make 007 status and earn the James/Jane Bond title. People love Scarlet Johansen (sp?) so much in The Avengers that it might work and we all know damn well an ass that perfect could be used as a weapon against any straight man. :)
Would Goodrum be immune though? :D
With that said, i'd love to see a Remake of Starsky and Hutch and / or Miami Vice with Melvin Goodrum and Tbombz in the lead roles.
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Dan Stevens would be my choice, already has the upper class bit nailed, if this movie ever makes it on Brit free tv prime time like hiddlestons latest show, people will be going mad for him to be bond.doing American accent here
well i never took your posts seriously. da fuck kind of logic is that? that's the dumbest fucking bond candidate i've ever heard, i'd rather have some toothless crack smoking street nigg*r play bond than that fucking guy! get the hell out of here!
For the record: I do not oppose a black Bond. As you say, it's fiction. Would I worry about it becoming Rush Hour VII? Yes. Idris Elba? Good choice. Chris Tucker? Hell no.
like i said i doubt it would become a comedy or a cliche "funny black man antique slogans" movie. idris elba would be cool for it, exactly who i thought. i also thought about few others but they are americans, perhaps we need someone who's english so never mind.
if the film director doesn't have white guilt or any robost sense of how "black james bond should be" the movie would rock with black james bond so much that it would raise a lot of hate in the liberal media, i can even see the liberal white guilt media say somthing like "how dare they put idris elba do that kind of stuff, that's racist!", even tho he loved it and enjoyed the movie mking experience, but the white guilt media always wants to have their black victim pets. so the movie could be genius with a black bond, it could rlly stir the pot the right way
see, the media has a view on how black people should play their roles. dave chappelle has talked about it a lot. but what if the black james bond won't be some liberal's pet victim, but someone who would shock the entire world and make all the liberals see how racist THEY r. because i see a lot of good potential here
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TBF, William Wallace and Nelson Mandela are real historical figures, while Bond is a fictional character.
It still would be silly though. Just like it be equally silly if a white man was in line to play Blade or Shaft.
If Bond can be black, than why can't he be gay as well? Or maybe make him a cross dressing, bi-racial woman?
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You mean the majority of the people on earth wouldn't.
I'm sure the Hebrews would like it. They'd probably say similar things such as "We Agents Now!" "We Spies Now!" "We President Now!" after that movie would be released in the theaters, whilst celebrating , jibber jabbering and tootin' and a hollerin' in the front row with Grape Dranks squirting all over (hebreic version of Champagne) and buckets of KFC and Watermelon tossed all over the theater, making it impossible for normal movie-goers to appreciate the movie.
LMFAO. Made my morning.
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TBF, William Wallace and Nelson Mandela are real historical figures, while Bond is a fictional character.
It still would be silly though. Just like it be equally silly if a white man was in line to play Blade or Shaft.
If Bond can be black, than why can't he be gay as well? Or maybe make him a cross dressing, bi-racial woman?
blade or shaft, LOL, how old is that comparison? i remember this topic in 2003 bb.com, some argument.
there's been no shaft or blade movies in seven hundred years
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blade or shaft, LOL, how old is that comparison? i remember this topic in 2003 bb.com, some argument.
there's been no shaft or blade movies in seven hundred years
Well, both films could be re-made given Hollywood's current obsession with re-makes.
And if they are re-made, I would hope that black actors are in the title roles.
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All of those women that Bond raped would actually be considered raped.
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I believe a black man can be accepted for acting white, but a white man can never be accepted for acting black.
How else does Denzel Washington make so many white films? Who the fuck watches that shit?
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A black as James Bond is almost as bad as a White Man acting nignog and rapping etc
Backwards cap, saggy pants and all
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Well, both films could be re-made given Hollywood's current obsession with re-makes.
And if they are re-made, I would hope that black actors are in the title roles.
why does it make any bit of difference? they are just some damn movies. even u are protecting the way black and white actors should be perceived, it's like ur defiant of ur programming. u know u have no real effect on the course of history or the future? ur just a guy who comments in the internet. outside ur work and ur gym, u ain't nothing but a regular dude who's worth shit. or what part did u play in saudi arabias military excercise "north thunder" that was held near syrias border? because looking at wider scale it means fuck all is the actor white or black. hell, i whanna see black terminators in the next terminator movie speaking ghetto shit, LOL
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Just so everyone knows beforehand, i played a huge part in Saudi Arabias exercise "North Thunder" that was held by the Syrian border.
With that said, i think it would be hilarious seeing Melvin Goodrum and Tbombz as the leads in movies such as Starsky and Hutch and Miami Vice.
Blacks should stick to rap and comedy.
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It doesn't matter.
Bond has reached a point where they can do whatever they want.
You people all talk about people not accepting a black bond. They'll all still watch it. The sales will still roll in.
Anti sentiment only works if people actually vote with their feet and they sure as fuck will not, because just about every one of them will watch a black bond, just to see if it is a failure.
The box office results of a movie where everybody goes to see if it is actually shit look pretty similar to one where they're excited to see it.
Just look at batman vs superman results.
People are sheep when it comes to established stuff like movie franchises. They bitch, but they still watch :)
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People are sheep when it comes to established stuff like movie franchises. They bitch, but they still watch :)
The all-female cast of the new Ghostbusters will TANK! Mark my words! ;D
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Just so everyone knows beforehand, i played a huge part in Saudi Arabias exercise "North Thunder" that was held by the Syrian border.
With that said, i think it would be hilarious seeing Melvin Goodrum and Tbombz as the leads in movies such as Starsky and Hutch and Miami Vice.
Blacks should stick to rap and comedy.
i don't care about those movies. and i don't follow goodrum or bombz at all, i never understood their appeal to be honest, never got how their memes ere funny in any way, it's like fart humor. i never saw the disgusting shit as funny, i always wanted to avoid it
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why does it make any bit of difference? they are just some damn movies. even u are protecting the way black and white actors should be perceived, it's like ur defiant of ur programming. u know u have no real effect on the course of history or the future? ur just a guy who comments in the internet. outside ur work and ur gym, u ain't nothing but a regular dude who's worth shit. or what part did u play in saudi arabias military excercise "north thunder" that was held near syrias border? because looking at wider scale it means fuck all is the actor white or black. hell, i whanna see black terminators in the next terminator movie speaking ghetto shit, LOL
LOL. Of course my opinion is irrelevant in the wider scale. The opinions of everyone here (including your own) is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. However, the point of a forum is to express your opinions, whatever they may be.
Besides, it's not like my opinion on this matter is uncommon. :D
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The new Villainess can be named Ivana Blackcock
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What about a black Batman or Superman?
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The character is not black so it doesn't work.
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When Darth Vader was all black he was an evil asshole who left his children.
Then when we see that he is a white male under that black façade, he turns out to be redeemed and the good guy again!
The opposite could happen with Bond! A black Bond could become a rouge agent that takes out MI6!
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The original James Bond was black. FACT!
As long as he doesn't end up in Ibiza, getting the girls, it's all ok by me.
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I believe a black man can be accepted for acting white, but a white man can never be accepted for acting black.
How else does Denzel Washington make so many white films? Who the fuck watches that shit?
LOL!
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A black as James Bond is almost as bad as a White Man acting black/nignog, putting value on streetcred and rapping etc
Backwards cap, saggy pants and all
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if bond was black
would he be fucking fat white trailer park trash mud sharks
instead of supermodels
actually i dont think it matters a fuck what colour he is as long as the actor can pull off the vibe
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if bond was black
would he be fucking fat white trailer park trash mud sharks
instead of supermodels
actually i dont think it matters a fuck what colour he is as long as the actor can pull off the vibe
And would he always order Grape Drank instead of a Martini that was shaken and not stirred?
Maybe "It Do" would be added to these famous movie-quotes as well?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFI%27s_100_Years...100_Movie_Quotes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFI%27s_100_Years...100_Movie_Quotes)
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I believe a black man can be accepted for acting white, but a white man can never be accepted for acting black.
Indeed. This is known in applied socio-economic mathematics as the Wigger Inequality Function (WIF). The problem requires formulating a Möbius Inversion Curve which employs a half-twist to the measure of one's appropriation of white and black cultural forms to produce a resource equilibrium needed to traverse a topology of WHACKNESS. Pierre de Fermat is reputed to have worked out the problem on the margins of his 17th century French porn magazine (Anes Gras), but his subsequent petite mort smudged the solution and stuck together its pages. C'est la vie, c'est la mort. :-\
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Indeed. This is known in applied socio-economic mathematics as the Wigger Inequality Function (WIF). The problem requires formulating a Möbius Inversion Curve which employs a half-twist to the measure of one's appropriation of white and black cultural forms to produce a resource equilibrium needed to traverse a topology of WHACKNESS. Pierre de Fermat is reputed to have worked out the problem on the margins of his 17th century French porn magazine (Anes Gras), but his subsequent petite mort smudged the solution and stuck together it pages. C'est la vie, c'est la mort. :-\
Enter Taffin - peering into a thread and feeling smug for finally understanding every single one of Kahn's references - Sona si Latine loqueris! :D
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Enter Taffin - peering into a thread and feeling smug for finally understanding every single one of Kahn's references - Sona si Latine loqueris! :D
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DGF made some stupid red drank joke a few days ago. Can't remember what she was busting my balls over.
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Lol.. typical thread done by a real 'mercan ::)
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Indeed. This is known in applied socio-economic mathematics as the Wigger Inequality Function (WIF). The problem requires formulating a Möbius Inversion Curve which employs a half-twist to the measure of one's appropriation of white and black cultural forms to produce a resource equilibrium needed to traverse a topology of WHACKNESS. Pierre de Fermat is reputed to have worked out the problem on the margins of his 17th century French porn magazine (Anes Gras), but his subsequent petite mort smudged the solution and stuck together its pages. C'est la vie, c'est la mort. :-\
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JAMES BOND WITH THIS HEBREW: YES
AND NO, I WON'T CALM DOWN! :D
007: Turd finger
007: From Sylva with love
007: Quantum of anus
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Enter Taffin - peering into a thread and feeling smug for finally understanding every single one of Kahn's references - Sona si Latine loqueris! :D
I wish to become that skilled in time! 8)
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Hollywood Filt already introduced a possible "bi-sexual" James Bond into the mix. You know a Brew Bond is in the making >:(
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This applies since OP posted Vince's photo:
That would be the end of love interests for 007 like "Octopussy", "Dr. Holly Goodhead" and "Pussy Galore"...
Fitting love interest names for our new intrepid 007: "Cockswain Homewecker" and "Richard KIELbasa"
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well i never took your posts seriously. da fuck kind of logic is that? that's the dumbest fucking bond candidate i've ever heard, i'd rather have some toothless crack smoking street nigg*r play bond than that fucking guy! get the hell out of here!
like i said i doubt it would become a comedy or a cliche "funny black man antique slogans" movie. idris elba would be cool for it, exactly who i thought. i also thought about few others but they are americans, perhaps we need someone who's english so never mind.
if the film director doesn't have white guilt or any robost sense of how "black james bond should be" the movie would rock with black james bond so much that it would raise a lot of hate in the liberal media, i can even see the liberal white guilt media say somthing like "how dare they put idris elba do that kind of stuff, that's racist!", even tho he loved it and enjoyed the movie mking experience, but the white guilt media always wants to have their black victim pets. so the movie could be genius with a black bond, it could rlly stir the pot the right way
see, the media has a view on how black people should play their roles. dave chappelle has talked about it a lot. but what if the black james bond won't be some liberal's pet victim, but someone who would shock the entire world and make all the liberals see how racist THEY r. because i see a lot of good potential here
He's British, he's naturally upper class, 6 foot tall, smooth, has the voice, I mean they even CHOSE him to be the narrator of the audiobook of casino Royale, did all the voices himself, link below.He's extremely intelligent, graduated from Cambridge.Im not sure someone could be a better fit, if you are going to complain about him being dark then hair dye will fix that.Seems you are an extremely shitty judge of character, but I knew that already,you saw him playing a southern American and couldn't see past it.
http://www.audible.co.uk/pd/Crime-Thrillers/Casino-Royale-with-Interview-Audiobook/B00915T1M8/ref=a_series_c2_1_saTtl/277-6402328-3340128?ie=UTF8&pf_rd_r=0SGZJWACCZ2QBG7VPQTY&pf_rd_m=A2YHV2RYTDNFG3&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=series-detail&pf_rd_p=426689047&pf_rd_s=center-2
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He's British, he's naturally upper class, 6 foot tall, smooth, has the voice, I mean they even CHOSE him to be the narrator of the audiobook of casino Royale, did all the voices himself, link below.He's extremely intelligent, graduated from Cambridge.Im not sure someone could be a better fit, if you are going to complain about him being dark then hair dye will fix that.Seems you are an extremely shitty judge of character, but I knew that already,you saw him playing a southern American and couldn't see past it.
http://www.audible.co.uk/pd/Crime-Thrillers/Casino-Royale-with-Interview-Audiobook/B00915T1M8/ref=a_series_c2_1_saTtl/277-6402328-3340128?ie=UTF8&pf_rd_r=0SGZJWACCZ2QBG7VPQTY&pf_rd_m=A2YHV2RYTDNFG3&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=series-detail&pf_rd_p=426689047&pf_rd_s=center-2
i overreacted, i'm sorry. he's a cool dude, but i think he is too cute in a homo way. he... just doesn't look like he could be cold hearted. tall or no, his face looks like that of a swedish cukold. i don't like that.
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i overreacted, i'm sorry. he's a cool dude, but i think he is too cute in a homo way. he... just doesn't look like he could be cold hearted. tall or no, his face looks like that of a swedish cukold. i don't like that.
That's why you need to watch the guest, everyone who has seen it can't believe it's the same mild mannered guy, he epitomises Bond in it.He came from being a complete cuck in Downton Abbey too, I really didn't want to watch the guest when I heard he was starring.Very much like Daniel day Lewis, you watch an interview with him and you'd never imagine him being the way he is in his movies.
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The character is white.
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Only insofar as James Bond isn't black. But a black James Bond would be better than Roger Moore.
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That's why you need to watch the guest, everyone who has seen it can't believe it's the same mild mannered guy, he epitomises Bond in it.He came from being a complete cuck in Downton Abbey too, I really didn't want to watch the guest when I heard he was starring.Very much like Daniel day Lewis, you watch an interview with him and you'd never imagine him being the way he is in his movies.
i watched the movie and it was actually the first movie starring him that i watched, and i'm not a poor judge of character, u r. his boyish charm doesn't appeal to me one bit. it was a cool movie to watch once, but that's it. james bond has bigger shoes to fill. cool dude, but bond is not for him. he is too pretty. the skinny jeans and metro clothes in the bar scene, lol, the tough guy act doesn't come naturally from him and it was ridiculous to watch him do that shit. cool fight scenes though, i ain't gonna lie. i can't believe u think he epitomises bond in that movie, disgraceful. r u gay? bi?
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ive said the same thing, i watched the guest and he could be bond, he has the looks, intensity, suaveness and humor.
That's why you need to watch the guest, everyone who has seen it can't believe it's the same mild mannered guy, he epitomises Bond in it.He came from being a complete cuck in Downton Abbey too, I really didn't want to watch the guest when I heard he was starring.Very much like Daniel day Lewis, you watch an interview with him and you'd never imagine him being the way he is in his movies.
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i don't feel u guys on this at all
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I can see The Guest becoming a Future Bond.
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i don't feel u guys on this at all
The inevitable 30 pounds of drug gains he'd inevitably go on would help roughen him up slightly.I see where you are coming from but you don't live in Britain and haven't seen the names banded about.Tom Hiddleston (aka Loki from the avengers and Thor movies) is the current fan favourite, and he comes across to me far weaker than Stevens.Times have moved on, they aren't looking for another macho man like Connery, sans Elba anyway.Flemings vision of Bond is far more akin to Stevens and Hiddleston than it is Connery and Elba.
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Bond was/is a changing character, so you wouldn't be destroying the general theme of the franchise if the plotting of the story/movie is done right. A British, yet non white, Bond makes sense in today's world. It's not the same leap as a black Ralph Kramden, or a black Superman or Batman, which would require a radical overhaul.
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The inevitable 30 pounds of drug gains he'd inevitably go on would help roughen him up slightly.I see where you are coming from but you don't live in Britain and haven't seen the names banded about.Tom Hiddleston (aka Loki from the avengers and Thor movies) is the current fan favourite, and he comes across to me far weaker than Stevens.Times have moved on, they aren't looking for another macho man like Connery, sans Elba anyway.Flemings vision of Bond is far more akin to Stevens and Hiddleston than it is Connery and Elba.
u said in the beginning that bond was an upper class white male....
bond was a dog trained from childhood to become what he is. he was trained by the best, he followed orders like a good dindu
it's more than being upper class and gaining 30 pounds of muscle with steroids, lol r u kidding me, 30 lbs ::). bond was always a macho man, womanizer, egomaniac
the last bond actor was the closest of being perfect to play bond. he was cold, he was very capable physically and he was smart and controlled his women
i can't vision a pretty metrosexual bond, just fucking can't. i don't care what flemings thinks is the best bond, if he thinks metrosexuality is the way to go, he can go fuck himself, he is wrong. can't believe u guys actually want this shit. eldoran is 10 times the bond those two darling boys
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Why not a Black Christopher Columbus and Black Amerigo Vespucci discovering The Americas, with all the NorthAmerican Indians being black and the South American indians being White? :D
Followed by Kim Jong Un playing Marthin Luther King, "I have a Dream! To Destroy SouthKorea!"
Well, Christopher Columbus' Navigator was black (fact!)
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Well, Christopher Columbus' Navigator was black (fact!)
parker, u agree with me and not army of one who the bond should be, right?
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Why not stick to who the fictious character was written to be.
Next ones will Have to be - Muslim - Chinese - Queer - 1legged
Obese - why not any of them also just so we can keep them happy.
Simple answer write a fictious story & and make the main character
Best suit that Groups identity Needs - Just Leave Bond as he was written.
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Yeah, there are some obstacles to overcome with a black bond though.
First, it's a stretch to imagine a brew employed long enough to make it to "00" status.
Secondly, any bad guy could get him to flip by offering him white women, malt liquor, or season tickets to the Lakers.
Lastly, He'll only make it a few movies into his contract before his untimely death by either AIDS, sickle cell, crack OD or gang violence takes him out.
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I would watch Idris Elba as 007 because he's a fantastic actor. He has that Connery vibe of being suave and ruthless but with more charm than Daniel Craig. What's sad is that his portrayal of Bond would be overshadowed by his skin color.
The Bond series seems to be going down the route that 007 is not a person but a designation...it's how he's been brought into the current time line. In that respect a black man could play the role because it's a reflection on the changing demographics of England.
To me, it comes down to the character. Does Spawn have to be a black to be believable ..yes...it's part of his motivation as a character. Does Che Guevera have to be latino...yes...it's part of his motivation and fits the context in which he lived. Does Bond have to be white to be believable. I don't think so. I think he has to be English and reflect English politics and motivations in the international order in present day. If Bond movies are only going to live in the 50s, 60s and 70s...then yes he has to be white.
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Yes, because it's Jew brainwash propaganda.
Why not an Arab/Asian/Indian/Australian/Maori/Slavic Bond??
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Why not stick to who the fictious character was written to be.
Next ones will Have to be - Muslim - Chinese - Queer - 1legged
Obese - why not any of them also just so we can keep them happy.
Simple answer write a fictious story & and make the main character
Best suit that Groups identity Needs - Just Leave Bond as he was written.
Yes. Next they'll complain that Bond should get on with the times and be black, muslim, gay and gender-fluid and so they should have Bond boys along with Bond girls and then you'd have more complaints there are no Bond shemales etc. It will never end.
Elba is a good actor and could play a Bond type character but not James Bond.
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I'm offended Bond ISN'T black.
At this point he should skip a generation and be Indian.
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Well, Christopher Columbus' Navigator was black (fact!)
Well, that explains it. No wonder they got lost and mistook the Americas for the East Indies. ;D
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Although, a James Bond-movie with Melvin Goodrum would be hilarious.
Genre wouldn't be action or thriller though, but comedy / scatporn / documentary
For 8 Inches of Kielbasa More
aka HOMEWRECKER of Peace
Queen Vissy as some sort of Villian
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I think if they ever decide to bring in a "Black" Bond, it will be because they want to end making the James Bond franchise. And much like the American Presidency, what better way to bring down a franchise than to let it all rest on the back of a Brews shoulders...
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That's not how bond was written, I hate how things have to be altered just to please certain groups. If they want a black lead in a spy movie just make a new character.
I think idris Elba would suit that kind of role, he'd probably make a good bond but he doesn't fit the profile.
Same with Blade for example he is black and that's how it should stay, there's no need to mess with existing characters just to avoid upsetting people.
I think if they ever decide to bring in a "Black" Bond, it will be because they want to end making the James Bond franchise. And much like the American Presidency, what better way to bring down a franchise than to let it all rest on the back of a Brews shoulders...
"Indubitably" (said in my best Boston Brahmin accent).
The problem centers on perceived violence towards traditional sources (factual, fictional, and factional) of white identity and pride. More specifically, the issue is an expression of a zero-sum appropriation: e.g., one side stands to gain in the loss of the other, so a gain in black-Bond corresponds to a loss in white-Bond. To use another example, a multicultural sensitivity to black girls feeling racially alienated by white-Annie leads to the creation of the black-Annie adaptation, which strips white girls of the profilmic experience of racially identifying with Annie, who's now black. Being White-British is an integral part of the Bond character (spanning from Fleming's imagination to the character's various iterations in film – at least to those aware of the history) because he's an absolute throwback to English imperial values – of thinking of Britain as superior and civilized – from which he derives his sense of duty and justification for ensuring the British capacity if not to rule, then to stay a Western hegemonic player. It's hard to see how an Elba, who represents the multicultural opposite of a person whose self-interest is to ensure that anachronistic value, can keep the narrative intact – unless you scrub away all that whiteness and rewrite the history. What ought to be desired is a non-zero-sum creation of a black character that can engender feelings of in-group racial pride and out-group admiration, which can serve to launch the new character to lasting success (much like James Bond has done for decades).
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"Indubitably" (said in my best Boston Brahmin accent).
The problem centers on perceived violence towards traditional sources (factual, fictional, and factional) of white identity and pride. More specifically, the issue is an expression of a zero-sum appropriation: e.g., one side stands to gain in the loss of the other, so a gain in black-Bond corresponds to a loss in white-Bond. To use another example, a multicultural sensitivity to black girls feeling racially alienated by white-Annie leads to the creation of the black-Annie adaptation, which strips white girls of the profilmic experience of racially identifying with Annie, who's now black. Being White-British is an integral part of the Bond character (spanning from Fleming's imagination to the character's various iterations in film – at least to those aware of the history) because he's an absolute throwback to English imperial values – of thinking of Britain as superior and civilized – from which he derives his sense of duty and justification for ensuring the British capacity if not to rule, then to stay a Western hegemonic player. It's hard to see how an Elba, who represents the multicultural opposite of a person whose self-interest is to ensure that anachronistic value, can keep the narrative intact – unless you scrub away all that whiteness and rewrite the history. What ought to be desired is a non-zero-sum creation of a black character that can engender feelings of in-group racial pride and out-group admiration, which can serve to launch the new character to lasting success (much like James Bond has done for decades).
Are you saying that a Bond who derives his sense of worth from Cadillacs and slinging crack is inferior to Whitey Bond?
I think you better recognize.
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"Indubitably" (said in my best Boston Brahmin accent).
The problem centers on perceived violence towards traditional sources (factual, fictional, and factional) of white identity and pride. More specifically, the issue is an expression of a zero-sum appropriation: e.g., one side stands to gain in the loss of the other, so a gain in black-Bond corresponds to a loss in white-Bond. To use another example, a multicultural sensitivity to black girls feeling racially alienated by white-Annie leads to the creation of the black-Annie adaptation, which strips white girls of the profilmic experience of racially identifying with Annie, who's now black. Being White-British is an integral part of the Bond character (spanning from Fleming's imagination to the character's various iterations in film – at least to those aware of the history) because he's an absolute throwback to English imperial values – of thinking of Britain as superior and civilized – from which he derives his sense of duty and justification for ensuring the British capacity if not to rule, then to stay a Western hegemonic player. It's hard to see how an Elba, who represents the multicultural opposite of a person whose self-interest is to ensure that anachronistic value, can keep the narrative intact – unless you scrub away all that whiteness and rewrite the history. What ought to be desired is a non-zero-sum creation of a black character that can engender feelings of in-group racial pride and out-group admiration, which can serve to launch the new character to lasting success (much like James Bond has done for decades).
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Just lol at Bond being black
If they redo Live and let die, should bond join in and dance with the voodo people as well
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Purple drank... shaken, not stirred
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"Indubitably" (said in my best Boston Brahmin accent).
The problem centers on perceived violence towards traditional sources (factual, fictional, and factional) of white identity and pride. More specifically, the issue is an expression of a zero-sum appropriation: e.g., one side stands to gain in the loss of the other, so a gain in black-Bond corresponds to a loss in white-Bond. To use another example, a multicultural sensitivity to black girls feeling racially alienated by white-Annie leads to the creation of the black-Annie adaptation, which strips white girls of the profilmic experience of racially identifying with Annie, who's now black. Being White-British is an integral part of the Bond character (spanning from Fleming's imagination to the character's various iterations in film – at least to those aware of the history) because he's an absolute throwback to English imperial values – of thinking of Britain as superior and civilized – from which he derives his sense of duty and justification for ensuring the British capacity if not to rule, then to stay a Western hegemonic player. It's hard to see how an Elba, who represents the multicultural opposite of a person whose self-interest is to ensure that anachronistic value, can keep the narrative intact – unless you scrub away all that whiteness and rewrite the history. What ought to be desired is a non-zero-sum creation of a black character that can engender feelings of in-group racial pride and out-group admiration, which can serve to launch the new character to lasting success (much like James Bond has done for decades).
Interesting opinion.
The opinion's author is basically arguing that Americans concerned about Bond's race never understood the character.
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Just lol at Bond being black
If they redo Live and let die, should bond join in and dance with the voodo people as well
Haha yes...
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"Indubitably" (said in my best Boston Brahmin accent).
The problem centers on perceived violence towards traditional sources (factual, fictional, and factional) of white identity and pride. More specifically, the issue is an expression of a zero-sum appropriation: e.g., one side stands to gain in the loss of the other, so a gain in black-Bond corresponds to a loss in white-Bond. To use another example, a multicultural sensitivity to black girls feeling racially alienated by white-Annie leads to the creation of the black-Annie adaptation, which strips white girls of the profilmic experience of racially identifying with Annie, who's now black. Being White-British is an integral part of the Bond character (spanning from Fleming's imagination to the character's various iterations in film – at least to those aware of the history) because he's an absolute throwback to English imperial values – of thinking of Britain as superior and civilized – from which he derives his sense of duty and justification for ensuring the British capacity if not to rule, then to stay a Western hegemonic player. It's hard to see how an Elba, who represents the multicultural opposite of a person whose self-interest is to ensure that anachronistic value, can keep the narrative intact – unless you scrub away all that whiteness and rewrite the history. What ought to be desired is a non-zero-sum creation of a black character that can engender feelings of in-group racial pride and out-group admiration, which can serve to launch the new character to lasting success (much like James Bond has done for decades).
You can't really make an argument for "zero-sum appropriation" about a mainstream hit film franchise run by a mainstream studio meant to appeal to mainstream audiences. The things you mentioned AREN'T integral to the James Bond narrative because you can enjoy the films without even considering them (the majority of people who view James Bond films likely don't) and if you do consider them, you won't even necessarily agree with them.
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Interesting opinion.
The opinion's author is basically arguing that Americans concerned about Bond's race never understood the character.
Yours is not an interesting opinion, and a poor reading of the post. My post is directly in response to concerns expressed by Hench and TAS. It then offers a possible framework to understand dissatisfaction over the racial overhaul of the Bond character, which would be filled by a black actor. It's a plausible theory.
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You can't really make an argument for "zero-sum appropriation" about a mainstream hit film franchise run by a mainstream studio meant to appeal to mainstream audiences. The things you mentioned AREN'T integral to the James Bond narrative because you can enjoy the films without even considering them (the majority of people who view James Bond films likely don't) and if you do consider them, you won't even necessarily agree with them.
One can certainly posit the zero-sum theory. Do you believe that the mainstream film industry is as pellucid as not to be a part of the hegemonikon mind? Moreover, you seem to agree with my suggestion that a non-zero-sum creation (with diverse appeal) would prove more successful and lasting. Bond is white, encoded with all of the symbols and contradictions which inheres to British whiteness, and, yet, also transcends that encoding by alluring to non-white, non-Brits.
OK. Gotta go. Maybe I'll check back in late tonight or tomorrow. ;D
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They would have to rename him LeJames Bond
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One can certainly posit the zero-sum theory. Do you believe that the mainstream film industry is as pellucid as to not be a part of the hegemonikon mind? Moreover, you seem to agree with my suggestion that a non-zero-sum creation (with diverse appeal) would prove more successful and lasting. Bond is white, encoded with all of the symbols and contradictions which inheres to British whiteness, and, yet, also transcends that encoding by alluring to non-white, non-Brits.
OK. Gotta go. Maybe I'll check back in late tonight or tomorrow. ;D
Aside from skin colour; do you think there's much reason for an American white desire to identify strongly with Brits?
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But James Bond was a white middle\upper class gentleman
Not really, The character was inspired in a Dominican playboy spy,car racer,polo player in the 50's who dated the highest ranked women of the era.
Porfirio Rubirosa.
WoooSHHHHHHHH
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Black, white, yellow, brown, I was never a huge Bond fan.
Translation : If I was a fan it would have bothered me. ;)
WoooSHHHHHHH TA NA KA
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One can certainly posit the zero-sum theory. Do you believe that the mainstream film industry is as pellucid as not to be a part of the hegemonikon mind? Moreover, you seem to agree with my suggestion that a non-zero-sum creation (with diverse appeal) would prove more successful and lasting. Bond is white, encoded with all of the symbols and contradictions which inheres to British whiteness, and, yet, also transcends that encoding by alluring to non-white, non-Brits.
OK. Gotta go. Maybe I'll check back in late tonight or tomorrow. ;D
I don't think you can posit the theory because the idea of "appropiation" wouldn't apply to the casting of a mainstream film franchise, especially if the casting was done by the studio that owns the rights to the film franchise.
I don't see anything in my post that implies endorsement of a non-zero-sum creation. That's only partly because I don't think there is any such thing. From the standpoint of tallying race, there's no ostensible difference between casting a minority in an existing property and creating a new property for a minority star. Which would be more successful? Obviously an established property is a safer bet.
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They would have to rename him LeJames Bond
LeBron Bond
Tyrone Bond
Darnell Bond
Marcellus Bond
Jamal Bond
DeAndré Bond
Antwan Bond
DeShawn Bond
JaMarcus Bond
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Many of the invented names took elements from popular existing names. Prefixes such as La/Le, Da/De, Ra/Re, or Ja/Je and suffixes such as -ique/iqua, -isha, and -aun/-awn are common, as well as inventive spellings for common names.
The name LaKeisha is typically considered American in origin, but has elements of it pulled from both French and African roots.
Other names like LaTanisha, DeShawn, JaMarcus, DeAndre, and Shaniqua were created in the same way.
Punctuation marks are seen more often within African-American names than other American names, such as the names Mo'nique and D'Andre.
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No OutOn Bond, Kwon_2?
Lazy bastard!
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He is supposed to be a white Scottish man according to the books. The minute that poofy fellow Roger Moore got the part they broke with racial tradition. It's been downhill ever since.
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I don't think you can posit the theory because the idea of "appropiation" wouldn't apply to the casting of a mainstream film franchise, especially if the casting was done by the studio that owns the rights to the film franchise.
I don't see anything in my post that implies endorsement of a non-zero-sum creation. That's only partly because I don't think there is any such thing. From the standpoint of tallying race, there's no ostensible difference between casting a minority in an existing property and creating a new property for a minority star. Which would be more successful? Obviously an established property is a safer bet.
In case it's not being picked up, I'm using a conceptual vocabulary employed by British cultural theorists, most notably, by Stuart Hall and Raymond Williams.
The "non-zero-sum" creation of character (e.g., like a Bond) is a "win-win" because it can appeal to diverse audiences in diverse ways. So, e.g., it's possible for in-group white-Brits to secure feelings of identity and pride from Bond's encoded white-Britishness (which is, I take it, the source for the uproar over Elba's possible casting, which would strip Bond of this characterological essentialism), and it's possible for non-Brits enjoy the appeal of Bond's other traits like his swagger and proficiency, which, make no mistake, is still tied to the character's encoding, but is enjoyed by out-group members who find that character and his encoded traits enjoyable -- a win-win. As you write, "you can enjoy the film without even considering [Bond's cultural and racial encoding]." Yes, one can, but just because one is not aware of what one is enjoying, does not mean that what is going unperceived is not a huge part of the pleasure one is experiencing.
Moreover, the "taking" or "appropriation" of the Bond character (traditionally white), and its subsequent "giving" or "assignment" to a black actor can be done by the film rights-holders, whether they're white or black. The issue is one of erasure, namely, the emergence of black-Bond (encoded to give birth to Bond's new "blackness") at the expense of white-Bond.
Again, I understand this idea to be the source of the controversy, and, take it or leave it, I'm out on the subject.
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In case it's not being picked up, I'm using a conceptual vocabulary employed by British cultural theorists, most notably, by Stuart Hall and Raymond Williams.
The "non-zero-sum" creation of character (e.g., like a Bond) is a "win-win" because it can appeal to diverse audiences in diverse ways. So, e.g., it's possible for in-group white-Brits to secure feelings of identity and pride from Bond's encoded white-Britishness (which is, I take it, the source for the uproar over Elba's possible casting, which would strip Bond of this characterological essentialism), and it's possible for non-Brits enjoy the appeal of Bond's other traits like his swagger and proficiency, which, make no mistake, is still tied to the character's encoding, but is enjoyed by out-group members who find that character and his encoded traits enjoyable -- a win-win. As you write, "you can enjoy the film without even considering [Bond's cultural and racial encoding]." Yes, one can, but just because one is not aware of what one is enjoying, does not mean that what is going unperceived is not a huge part of the pleasure one is experiencing.
Moreover, the "taking" or "appropriation" of the Bond character (traditionally white), and its subsequent "giving" or "assignment" to a black actor can be done by the film rights-holders, whether they're white or black. The issue is one of erasure, namely, the emergence of black-Bond (encoded to give birth to Bond's new "blackness") at the expense of white-Bond.
Again, I understand this idea to be the source of the controversy, and, take it or leave it, I'm out on the subject.
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Well, as you're out, I'll keep this brief. You may consider it an emotional "win-win", but the things you listed aren't the only factors involved. They are not even the most important factors to everyone. The importance of his "encoding" is a matter of your perception, not an immutable part of Bond's narrative. I don't think erasure is an issue when it comes to mainstream hit film franchises with literally decades of history and dozens of books and films.