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Anyone use fastings as a method to lose fat here? I know Wiggs does it. The first I heard of a bodybuilder using it was John Cardillo Mr. Canada. He was one of the pioneer HIT guys. First used two work sets per exercise then evolved to one work set per exercise. This was radical back then. Getting back to fasting when he was getting in shape for a contest he would fast one day a week he wrote. Thinking about partial fasting.
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Wiggs has had great results
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Cardillo was on gear in that pic.
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I've lost 20 lbs over about 6 months time while doing intermittent fasting 16/8.
Fast 16 hours and eat for 8. Last meal done by 8PM, next eating period starts 12 noon following day.
You still need to restrict calories to lose weight. If you eat the same calories as you were eating you won't lose weight.
Like any other calorie restriction plan you lose both fat and some muscle.
The fasting crams all your calories into a shorter time window so you can eat larger meals and feel more full. That's the advantage.
I used MyFitnessPal to keep track of calories. You need to weigh and measure all your food to be accurate.
Eat a balanced diet. No weird food requirements. It's all done by calories in/calories out.
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Wanna` lose some weight?
Just contract Colitis....I lost 30 pounds and recently finally threw 10 pounds back on...........went to the doc this AM.
I wouldn`t wish this disease on my worst enemy.
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I've lost 20 lbs over about 6 months time while doing intermittent fasting 16/8.
Fast 16 hours and eat for 8. Last meal done by 8PM, next eating period starts 12 noon following day.
You still need to restrict calories to lose weight. If you eat the same calories as you were eating you won't lose weight.
Like any other calorie restriction plan you lose both fat and some muscle.
The fasting crams all your calories into a shorter time window so you can eat larger meals and feel more full. That's the advantage.
I used MyFitnessPal to keep track of calories. You need to weigh and measure all your food to be accurate.
Eat a balanced diet. No weird food requirements. It's all done by calories in/calories out.
This.
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hard to see the benefits
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hard to see the benefits
of intermittent fasting there's loads of nlm articles
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of intermittent fasting there's loads of nlm articles
how about we just make it 1 thing that makes it better than other diets
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how about we just make it 1 thing that makes it better than other diets
Your body isnt always digesting food. The health benefits to this are numerous.
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Your body isnt always digesting food. The health benefits to this are numerous.
how do we know
its not like there's a whole population that been followed for decades that show health benefits from chewing during an 8 hour period rather than a 12 hour period.
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how do we know
its not like there's a whole population that been followed for decades that show health benefits from chewing during an 8 hour period rather than a 12 hour period.
Lol. Welcome back.
Fasting has been a part of human history from our very beginning. Modern food and fad diets have at most 75 years of history.
We're not talking about chewing were talking about food consumption.
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how about we just make it 1 thing that makes it better than other diets
I've read that a 24 hour fast helps flush impurities from your body as long as you drink plenty of water. Weight loss is easy for me. Weight gain is a struggle. Fasting to lose weight is not something I'll be doing anytime soon.
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Lol. Welcome back.
Fasting has been a part of human history from our very beginning. Modern food and fad diets have at most 75 years of history.
We're not talking about chewing were talking about food consumption.
we are? i thought the whole idea was the eating window, not the amount of foods consumed.
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Wanna` lose some weight?
Just contract Colitis....I lost 30 pounds and recently finally threw 10 pounds back on...........went to the doc this AM.
I wouldn`t wish this disease on my worst enemy.
Get better Wes. Stomach issues are horrific. I had stomach issues for 6 months of constant pain. Saw 4 gastro doctors. They all had nothing but tests. Gall bladder test, upper and lower scope. Very expensive medicine too. It finally cleared up and that's not thanks to the doctors. I feel nothing but sympathy for anyone going through stomach issues. The weight loss, pain, runs and no interest in anything including sex is the worst. Glad my issue is gone for years and I hope you recover.
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we are? i thought the whole idea was the eating window, not the amount of foods consumed.
It's all calories in/calories out.
You still have to eat less calories to lose weight.
The shorter eating window lets you eat larger meals and feel full.
You can't eat excess calories or the same calories that made you fat and lose weight.
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I have done the 36 hour fast a few times for digestive reasons and skin reasons. aka leaky gut. i would have my last meal saturday night not eat till Monday AM. many skin issue are do digestive issues (aka leaky gut) then your skin fights to get rid of them.
some fast for 12 hours, some for 18 hours every day
some fast for 24 hours 1x per and 36 hour 1x per week...
also what is the deal with hard fasting? aka go 24 hours no food and no water? i dont get why some even do no water?
best advice i can give anyone with skin issues is to fast!!! i would recommend 36 hour fasting 1x per with skin issues
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Anyone use fastings as a method to lose fat here? I know Wiggs does it. The first I heard of a bodybuilder using it was John Cardillo Mr. Canada. He was one of the pioneer HIT guys. First used two work sets per exercise then evolved to one work set per exercise. This was radical back then. Getting back to fasting when he was getting in shape for a contest he would fast one day a week he wrote. Thinking about partial fasting.
he would fast pre contest too.. which is intense
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If you fast one day a week you don't consume a day's worth of calories which might be 3000-4000 calories.
If you are burning at least that many calories everyday you'll drop a pound or so a week, as long as you don't gorge yourself the days after you fast.
Nothing magical about. You have to maintain a calorie deficit.
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If you fast one day a week you don't consume a day's worth of calories which might be 3000-4000 calories.
If you are burning at least that many calories everyday you'll drop a pound or so a week.
Nothing magical about.
yea assume you do 3k cals per day = 21,000 cals per week
fast 1 full day you eat 18k cals per week = weight loss
plus the fact - breaking down food is very hard for the human body.
again i am a fan of the 36 hour fast (and no lemon water or teas, just water only)
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Common sense fasting is a good technique.
We all fast everyday when we sleep.
Breakfast = break fast
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If you fast one day a week you don't consume a day's worth of calories which might be 3000-4000 calories.
If you are burning at least that many calories everyday you'll drop a pound or so a week, as long as you don't gorge yourself the days after you fast.
Nothing magical about. You have to maintain a calorie deficit.
How do you feel not eating for a day? Just wonder if a lot of muscle will come off with the fat. No doubt that getting very lean by any method some muscle is lost.
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How do you feel not eating for a day? Just wonder if a lot of muscle will come off with the fat. No doubt that getting very lean by any method some muscle is lost.
No, you won't lose excess muscle from fasting for short periods like 24-36 hours.
Anytime you lose weight you lose both fat and muscle.
I've done fasts from for example 9PM Monday until breakfast on Wednesday morning but I don't like those long fasts.
16/8 wasn't bad because you are asleep for 8-10 hours of the fast.
There is no magic to fasting. It's just a way to schedule calorie intake. That's all it is.
If you are allowed to eat 2000 calories a day (24 period) you are still eating the 2000 in the 24 hour period. You are just scheduling the eating differently.
No magic effects as far as weight loss is concerned.
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How do you feel not eating for a day? Just wonder if a lot of muscle will come off with the fat. No doubt that getting very lean by any method some muscle is lost.
it was sunday whenever i did it, so i didnt train, did not have a full day of work so i felt fine actually.
my stomach, gut felt way smaller.
yes you will loose some muscle but most look better and feel better on the lean side of the line.
right now i am in comp mode so fasting doesnt really work for me - but when i am older i will def fast 1 day per week.
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suboptimal method to lose weight and retain muscle
you will be in a katabolic state after about 8 hours without any protein
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if want to loose weight try fasting - i recommend the 36 hour fast 1x per week - just water only (no coffee, no gum, no tea, no bcaas) just water from sat night till monday AM
also if you have skin issues you cannot seem to get taken care of - try fasting aka leaky gut issues
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we are? i thought the whole idea was the eating window, not the amount of foods consumed.
how do we know
its not like there's a whole population that been followed for decades that show health benefits from chewing during an 8 hour period rather than a 12 hour period.
You dont know what's going on.
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Eating every 3 hours is dumb asf unless your on gear and try to get huge. If you're not, you don't need to eat that often or that much. Majority of supplements are useless and you get better micronutrients via solid food.
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suboptimal method to lose weight and retain muscle
you will be in a katabolic state after about 8 hours without any protein
So much of what's repeated about protein is from very old studies and the protein supplement companies pushing their powder. Kenyan runners can run a marathon at a pace faster than most commercial treadmills can go at top speed for 26 miles and many are vegetarian low protein eaters. I remember a lot of old studies said you can grow on under 50 grams of protein a day. I don't know what's factual. I use a protein powder but I wonder if it's doing anything for me.
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Fasting periodically is good- digestion takes a fair amount of energy so it’s a form of recovery. But this broscience BS about “cleansing your body of impurities” is silly. What impurities? Heavy metal toxins that bind to cells? Fat soluble organopesticides?No- they don’t go anywhere unless you ingest EDTA.
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You dont know what's going on.
thats right i dont.
maybe there's some secret society somewhere where people live to become 200 just because they skip breakfast and lunch...
but i doubt it.
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thats right i dont.
maybe there's some secret society somewhere where people live to become 200 just because they skip breakfast and lunch...
but i doubt it.
Where did you read that?
Who said people live to 200 years old?
How would we know thats true?
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So much of what's repeated about protein is from very old studies and the protein supplement companies pushing their powder. Kenyan runners can run a marathon at a pace faster than most commercial treadmills can go at top speed for 26 miles and many are vegetarian low protein eaters. I remember a lot of old studies said you can grow on under 50 grams of protein a day. I don't know what's factual. I use a protein powder but I wonder if it's doing anything for me.
I don't eat any powders no need for it. But fasting is stupid especially when training for strength and size
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Fasting and steroids work great together. So when you take advice from bodybuilders in magazines, it's something to keep in mind - the steroids really make or break the advices.
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Intermittent fasting killed my gallbladder...tread lightly
Bench
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Intermittent fasting killed my gallbladder...tread lightly
Bench
Details please
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I mostly do 16/8 intermittent fasting. Honestly, it's hard. You always hear people talking about the correlation between anger and hunger. I'm one of those people I think, but more than just anger... There are lots of mental processes that seem tied to food.
I'm sticking with it for now, but I've started to think that fasting is better for people whose mind, in general, is less sensitive to eating.
On the other hand, it might just be that people who are less happy exacerbate their faults by fasting.
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Details please
When you are in a fasted state fat goes into our bloodstream..the fat and cholesterol can build..it built into a deposit on my gallbladder and killed it...my laparoscopic surgeons first question to me was “so, how long have you been intermittent fasting?”....my Gastro doctor and surgeon both said since intermittent fasting got popular they have had a lot of these cases.::it’s their version of barefoot running being a goldmine to bone and joint doctors.
Bench
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Wow, who would of thought fasting could cause gall bladder issues. Sounded like BS but I looked it up. Bench is dead on. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/healthlibrary/conditions/liver_biliary_and_pancreatic_disorders/gallstones_85,P00841
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When you are in a fasted state fat goes into our bloodstream..the fat and cholesterol can build..it built into a deposit on my gallbladder and killed it...my laparoscopic surgeons first question to me was “so, how long have you been intermittent fasting?”....my Gastro doctor and surgeon both said since intermittent fasting got popular they have had a lot of these cases.::it’s their version of barefoot running being a goldmine to bone and joint doctors.
Bench
Wow, who would of thought fasting could cause gall bladder issues. Sounded like BS but I looked it up. Bench is dead on. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/healthlibrary/conditions/liver_biliary_and_pancreatic_disorders/gallstones_85,P00841
Is there any chance this isnt fasting related and you likely had preexisting genetic issues that lead to gall bladder failure?
Thanks for sharing.
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Wiggs has had great results
Tremendous results
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Tremendous results
Put up a picture.
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Bench, what's the downside of losing your gallbladder, in your experience?
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When you are in a fasted state fat goes into our bloodstream..the fat and cholesterol can build..it built into a deposit on my gallbladder and killed it...my laparoscopic surgeons first question to me was “so, how long have you been intermittent fasting?”....my Gastro doctor and surgeon both said since intermittent fasting got popular they have had a lot of these cases.::it’s their version of barefoot running being a goldmine to bone and joint doctors.
Bench
Thanks for sharing this. Will make me think twice about doing intermittent fasting again.
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How can you call it fasting when you are eating every day?...
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How can you call it fasting when you are eating every day?...
Intermittent fasting.
You only fast for so many hours.
Like if you slept till noon everyday.
Common sense in all things. No doubt extreme fasting might have deleterious effects.
You also have to stay hydrated while fasting.
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When I was a kid a doctor defined "Fasting" as not eating for more than a day. Skipping a meal was called "Moderating Your Caloric Intake"...
Is there any chance this isnt fasting related and you likely had preexisting genetic issues that lead to gall bladder failure?
Thanks for sharing.
The same doctor said that rapid weight change...whether gaining or losing...is what brings on gall bladder issues.
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Bench, what's the downside of losing your gallbladder, in your experience?
It’s a living nightmare..I will be on medicine the rest of my life...only about an 1/8 of the people who have it removed are ok...the rest(like me) constantly feel miserable
Bench
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It’s a living nightmare..I will be on medicine the rest of my life...only about an 1/8 of the people who have it removed are ok...the rest(like me) constantly feel miserable
Bench
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When you are in a fasted state fat goes into our bloodstream..the fat and cholesterol can build..it built into a deposit on my gallbladder and killed it...my laparoscopic surgeons first question to me was “so, how long have you been intermittent fasting?”....my Gastro doctor and surgeon both said since intermittent fasting got popular they have had a lot of these cases.::it’s their version of barefoot running being a goldmine to bone and joint doctors.
Bench
the meals you were eating - did you get enough fats in? eggs, salmon, etx?
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It’s a living nightmare..I will be on medicine the rest of my life...only about an 1/8 of the people who have it removed are ok...the rest(like me) constantly feel miserable
Bench
Damn... scary. Sorry to hear that. Would you recommend a low-fat diet, then?
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Damn... scary. Sorry to hear that. Would you recommend a low-fat diet, then?
Probably not the person to ask for diet advices.
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Probably not the person to ask for diet advices.
Lol
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Yes! Fasting is the key to bodybuilding. All the all time champions used fasting extensively throughout their winning IFBB bodybuilding careers.
Remember all the articles and stories about Arnold and Dorian, and Coleman and Sergio where they talked about fasting. Yep, fasting is the key.
YOU FUCKING IDIOTS! PULL YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES AND SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT FASTING.
Fasting is for hippies, yoga idiots and vegans.
Love, Tom.
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Intermittent fasting.
You only fast for so many hours.
Like if you slept till noon everyday.
Common sense in all things. No doubt extreme fasting might have deleterious effects.
You also have to stay hydrated while fasting.
Fasting defined is abstaining from food and any liquid that isnt water. A dry fast would be no liquid.
Obviously Bench is sharing his real life experience but there has to be more to than he is sharing. I know multiple people who fast weekly and monthly for religious practice and they arent people who live "healthy/active" lifestyles. I also know individuals who have done 30 day fasts where they only drank water (and in this cases they prep by weaning their body from solid foods for 2 weeks prior to the water only fast). To date these people have had no health issues from fasting.
Obviously i'm not downplaying Benchs experience, i'm just sharing mine.
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Yes! Fasting is the key to bodybuilding. All the all time champions used fasting extensively throughout their winning IFBB bodybuilding careers.
Remember all the articles and stories about Arnold and Dorian, and Coleman and Sergio where they talked about fasting. Yep, fasting is the key.
YOU FUCKING IDIOTS! PULL YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES AND SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT FASTING.
Fasting is for hippies, yoga idiots and vegans.
Love, Tom.
Tommy are you suggesting a bodybuilder/powerlifter fast weekly?
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Tommy are you suggesting a bodybuilder/powerlifter fast weekly?
Yes sir. Exactly.
Happy New Year DD!
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Yes sir. Exactly.
Happy New Year DD!
Solid advice.
Happy new year bro!
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Yes! Fasting is the key to bodybuilding. All the all time champions used fasting extensively throughout their winning IFBB bodybuilding careers.
Remember all the articles and stories about Arnold and Dorian, and Coleman and Sergio where they talked about fasting. Yep, fasting is the key.
YOU FUCKING IDIOTS! PULL YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES AND SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT FASTING.
Fasting is for hippies, yoga idiots and vegans.
Love, Tom.
But I thought Serge was on one meal a day: 2.5 kg horse meat, 2.5 kg red beans.
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It’s a living nightmare..I will be on medicine the rest of my life...only about an 1/8 of the people who have it removed are ok...the rest(like me) constantly feel miserable
Bench
Learned a lot on this thread. Made me research after hearing your comments. A girl at work had her's removed and said after a month she was okay. Thought it was a non essential organ with little consequences from listening to her. Didn't realize the complications many experience. Sorry to hear about your trouble. Everyone takes their health for granted until something goes wrong then your life can be ruined. Personally I'm going to pay more attention to lowering the risks to health.
On a side note I always do a little cardio in addition to lifting running 2 to 3 miles. Lately I started throwing in 5 to 6 mile runs. I noticed more than once terrible stomach pain after. Just passed it off as I'm just not use to this hard cardio. Now I wonder if the hard cardio was effecting my gall bladder with the quick fat loss I experienced?
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Did intermittent fasting (Berkhan) for years. No difference between that and a normal interval diet provided calories, etc. are the same. Just depends on what you like better.
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Did intermittent fasting (Berkhan) for years. No difference between that and a normal interval diet provided calories, etc. are the same. Just depends on what you like better.
Yes, a calorie is a calorie. Anything that puts in less calories will lean you out.
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But I thought Serge was on one meal a day: 2.5 kg horse meat, 2.5 kg red beans.
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Serge was an interesting fella. There were some people who corroborated the one massive meal a day story and that he used to spend the whole day in the gym to do those monster volume workouts.
I'm going to listen to his classic interview bashing the IFBeBe again because of your post.
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Wanna` lose some weight?
Just contract Colitis....I lost 30 pounds and recently finally threw 10 pounds back on...........went to the doc this AM.
I wouldn`t wish this disease on my worst enemy.
Sorry to hear that, Wes :( Hope you have a swift recovery.
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Today:
- sunflower & linseed bread, 331 cal per 100g, protein27.3g, carbs 116.2 g
- broccoli/broccollini
- avocado
- peaches
8)
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it's just the latest fad all the sheep and idiots will cling on to...
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Wanna` lose some weight?
Just contract Colitis....I lost 30 pounds and recently finally threw 10 pounds back on...........went to the doc this AM.
I wouldn`t wish this disease on my worst enemy.
That’s exactly what I said about my experience with colitis. Horrific.
Has yours cleared up? What worked.
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BB's don't show prep on intermittent fasting, keto or iifym
there's a reason
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The only reason I fast is to relieve stress on my organs.
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Calories in versus calories burned. That's it.
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Anyone use fastings as a method to lose fat here? I know Wiggs does it. The first I heard of a bodybuilder using it was John Cardillo Mr. Canada. He was one of the pioneer HIT guys. First used two work sets per exercise then evolved to one work set per exercise. This was radical back then. Getting back to fasting when he was getting in shape for a contest he would fast one day a week he wrote. Thinking about partial fasting.
I remember an article on him in MMI back in the early 1980's
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Calories in versus calories burned. That's it.
so IIFYM works great?
Mr Olympia counting calories?