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Guy A and Guy B both have similar, if not, identical genetics.
Guy A: takes steroids, GH, and insulin, trains like shit and subpar diet.
Guy B: 100% natural, trains hard, eats 8 meals per day.
Two questions:
1) who has the better chance of becoming huge and ripped?
2) who has the better chance of becoming an NPC level competitor or IFBB pro?
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Guy A.
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i wonder why
i wonder how
lalala lemon tree...
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Guy A.
Are you implying that PED's are more important than diet and training?
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Guy A easily as long as he is doing some form of training even if it’s shit. A natural will never be huge and ripped at the same time, and no natural is ever competing as a pro or at npc level.
My honest experience with very mild steroid use is that it still completely obliterated natural training. I’d done the whole 6 meals per day shit when younger and test levels were at their peak naturally, going to bed early to get extra sleep ect, not saying it didn’t work but starting using just 250 to 300mg of test e per week at age 30 while paying fuck all attention to diet and eating like shit while still training hard was a massive eye opener.
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Guy A and Guy B both have similar, if not, identical genetics.
Guy A: takes steroids, GH, and insulin, trains like shit and subpar diet.
Guy B: 100% natural, trains hard, eats 8 meals per day.
Two questions:
1) who has the better chance of becoming huge and ripped?
2) who has the better chance of becoming an NPC level competitor or IFBB pro?
No such thing as a "natural" competing bodybuilder unless you consider GH/Insulin natural. Hope this helps. Lets start by saying eating 8 meals a day isn't normal or natural
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Guy A easily as long as he is doing some form of training even if it’s shit. A natural will never be huge and ripped at the same time, and no natural is ever competing as a pro or at npc level.
My honest experience with very mild steroid use is that it still completely obliterated natural training. I’d done the whole 6 meals per day shit when younger and test levels were at their peak naturally, going to bed early to get extra sleep ect, not saying it didn’t work but starting using just 250 to 300mg of test e per week at age 30 while paying fuck all attention to diet and eating like shit while still training hard was a massive eye opener.
So, basically, drugs are more important than diet and training, is what you're saying, especially when it comes to getting big and ripped and/or competing?
And, yes, your experience of mild steroid use speaks strongly to it being the main contributing factor.
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Guy A and Guy B both have similar, if not, identical genetics.
Guy A: takes steroids, GH, and insulin, trains like shit and subpar diet.
Guy B: 100% natural, trains hard, eats 8 meals per day.
Two questions:
1) who has the better chance of becoming huge and ripped?
2) who has the better chance of becoming an NPC level competitor or IFBB pro?
You are obsessed with “Nattiness” vs Drug Monsters
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So, basically, drugs are more important than diet and training, is what you're saying?
In my experience drugs worked far better than diet, I can’t compare training vs drugs on personal experience as I trained the same on and off, although studies have suggested taking steroids and sitting on the couch leads to better gains than training naturally
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You are obsessed with “Nattiness” vs Drug Monsters
Because he’s trolling
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Guy A and Guy B both have similar, if not, identical genetics.
Guy A: takes steroids, GH, and insulin, trains like shit and subpar diet.
Guy B: 100% natural, trains hard, eats 8 meals per day.
Two questions:
1) who has the better chance of becoming huge and ripped?
2) who has the better chance of becoming an NPC level competitor or IFBB pro?
Guy B no doubt , I don't care how much gear you take , without proper training and nutrition you will never be able to compete in a bodybuilding show .
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Are you implying that PED's are more important than diet and training?
Yes sir.
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Guy A: is selling original Salvador Dali painting !.
Guy B: is selling a fake Dali painting !.
Which 1 would U buy 8)
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Guy A: is selling original Salvador Dali painting !.
Guy B: is selling a fake Dali painting !.
Which 1 would U buy 8)
Guy B cause it’s going to be cheaper and your friends wouldn’t know the difference
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Guy B cause it’s going to be cheaper and your friends wouldn’t know the difference
I got more than 1 ( ;D ;)) , not 4 sale !.
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Guy A: is selling original Salvador Dali painting !.
Guy B: is selling a fake Dali painting !.
Which 1 would U buy 8)
Neither,art is gay.
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Neither,art is gay.
Only if is created by Prudence or ratherbefat ;)
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No such thing as a "natural" competing bodybuilder unless you consider GH/Insulin natural. Hope this helps. Lets start by saying eating 8 meals a day isn't normal or natural
what?
this guy probably does not agree with you
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what?
this guy probably does not agree with you
lol...never heard of him
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what?
this guy probably does not agree with you
I've always wondered - why do people parade their 'natty status' like some pristine badge of honor? I don't get it, nobody gives a shit if you're natty and frankly if you are 100% natural, it's generally pretty obvious. Mr Olympia doesn't walk around calling themselves an 'enhanced athlete'. Never understood the whole 'fake natty' bullshit either, is it a perceived sense of moral superiority? I'm natural, but if I do cross the line and trod the dark path (which I expect to in a couple of years) I will proudly say what I'm on or for how long, should I be asked...
Edit: Yes my screen name is 'JuicedKangaroo' lol - foreshadowing the future...
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A guy on drugs will go by a natty like he's standing still.
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I've always wondered - why do people parade their 'natty status' like some pristine badge of honor? I don't get it, nobody gives a shit if you're natty and frankly if you are 100% natural, it's generally pretty obvious. Mr Olympia doesn't walk around calling themselves an 'enhanced athlete'. Never understood the whole 'fake natty' bullshit either, is it a perceived sense of moral superiority? I'm natural, but if I do cross the line and trod the dark path (which I expect to in a couple of years) I will proudly say what I'm on or for how long, should I be asked...
Edit: Yes my screen name is 'JuicedKangaroo' lol - foreshadowing the future...
Drugs are illegal so you're dumb if you "parade" your drug usage.
Would you go "parade" your use of heroin or meth? No, because it's illegal.
"Hey, I'm shooting heroin everyday!"
Bodybuilding has been bullshat since steroids were invented.
It's all a con to sucker people to buy useless supplements.
Take drugs to be the man you really aren't. Shrink your balls until they don't work and you have to take TRT to stay a man.
Become the desire of every fag because women couldn't care less.
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You get both bodybuilder to an expo and get be them each a booth .
The natural dude will b lucky if 5 or six people stop by.
The enhanced one will have a steady line of people ( even if he's not a pro or really known ) with most people taking selfies with him.
I've seen this happen often.
That's the " sport " of bodybuilding.
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Drugs are illegal so you're dumb if you "parade" your drug usage.
Would go "parade" your use of heroin or meth? No, because it's illegal.
"Hey, I'm shooting heroin everyday!"
Bodybuilding has been bullshat since steroids were invented.
It's all a con to sucker people to buy useless supplements.
Take drugs to be the man you really aren't. Shrink your balls until they don't work and you have to take TRT to stay a man.
Become the desire of every fag because women couldn't care less.
I remember Jay cutler with a huge sign on a bus saying " this is what I take ". Ok don't claim you're natural but selling fart power as what you "take" when you're heavily enhanced for decades is nothing but a fraud.
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I remember Jay cutler with a huge sign on a bus saying " this is what I take ". Ok don't claim you're natural but selling fart power as what you "take" when you're heavily enhanced for decades is nothing but a fraud.
Was that BPI?
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Guy A and Guy B both have similar, if not, identical genetics.
Guy A: takes steroids, GH, and insulin, trains like shit and subpar diet.
Guy B: 100% natural, trains hard, eats 8 meals per day.
Two questions:
1) who has the better chance of becoming huge and ripped?
2) who has the better chance of becoming an NPC level competitor or IFBB pro?
The natural guy has a zero chance. Sergio had fast food and drank Coke all day at work when he was doing manual labor.
A better question would who has a better chance of looking good 12 months out of the year? It would be the natural. The drug user depending on the cycle will unreal and like crap in the same four month period. Look at our current Mr. Olympia. He looks like a bloated fat guy and that's the number one pro on earth right now. I'm sure on Olympia day he will look amazing.
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Drugs are illegal so you're dumb if you "parade" your drug usage.
Would you go "parade" your use of heroin or meth? No, because it's illegal.
"Hey, I'm shooting heroin everyday!"
Are you serious?
There are various countries where personal possession is perfectly legal - hardly 'dumb' depending on where you live. Also, heroin? Meth? Really? Comparing a synthetic hormone to a degenerate substance? Get a grip, it's one thing to be honest (when asked) about what you take (if you live in a country where it's legal) and that is miles away from 'parading heroin or meth use'. Nice try though.
Take drugs to be the man you really aren't. Shrink your balls until they don't work and you have to take TRT to stay a man.
Become the desire of every fag because women couldn't care less.
Any guy taking steroids to 'be a man' or impress guys is a loser. Do it for your damn self.
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Are you serious?
There are various countries where personal possession is perfectly legal - hardly 'dumb' depending on where you live. Also, heroin? Meth? Really? Comparing a synthetic hormone to a degenerate substance? Get a grip, it's one thing to be honest (when asked) about what you take (if you live in a country where it's legal) and that is miles away from 'parading heroin or meth use'. Nice try though.
Any guy taking steroids to 'be a man' or impress guys is a loser. Do it for your damn self.
In the USA it's illegal and a felony so that is what I'm referring too. If it's legal where you are it's different of course.
If you need to take drugs so you can admire yourself in the mirror and feel good about yourself you are weak in your head,
Find a better way to deal with your insecurities and build your self-esteem instead of relying on the crutch of drugs.
Once you stop the drugs you are back to Clark Kent and you will still be insecure.
That's my sermon for today.
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how many of these guys were actually natural. ??? ::)
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Funk,
All those guys are natural except Ferrigno because he got hit with Gamma Rays.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_bdVR-JIDi2g/RmT_hIQ8UCI/AAAAAAAABy0/u1gZ_9TZuc0/s400/the-gamma-bomb.jpg)
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Evin Scent of Panties
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Are you serious?
There are various countries where personal possession is perfectly legal - hardly 'dumb' depending on where you live. Also, heroin? Meth? Really? Comparing a synthetic hormone to a degenerate substance? Get a grip, it's one thing to be honest (when asked) about what you take (if you live in a country where it's legal) and that is miles away from 'parading heroin or meth use'. Nice try though.
Any guy taking steroids to 'be a man' or impress guys is a loser. Do it for your damn self.
Roo , nobody give a poop 4 honesty in Aussie bb or other sports, ASI is genetic doping institute, U can compete on Inba & NPC Mr.Aussie in the same year ;) , tons of high school boys a on it, PCYC could be good place to get 'juice', 4 HGH go to any anti age clinic (+ $ 1000 p/m).........
or just do 'juice' trip of Thailand like many Aussie boys & girls ...........
8)
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In the USA it's illegal and a felony so that is what I'm referring too. If it's legal where you are it's different of course.
If you need to take drugs so you can admire yourself in the mirror and feel good about yourself you are weak in your head,
Find a better way to deal with your insecurities and build your self-esteem instead of relying on the crutch of drugs.
Once you stop the drugs you are back to Clark Kent and you will still be insecure.
That's my sermon for today.
I knew 1 old guy who was juiced to the max (tons of Ifbb/Nabba trophies & titles) & now is INBA masters international champ ;D ;D ;D
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If you need to take drugs so you can admire yourself in the mirror and feel good about yourself you are weak in your head,
Find a better way to deal with your insecurities and build your self-esteem instead of relying on the crutch of drugs.
Once you stop the drugs you are back to Clark Kent and you will still be insecure.
That's my sermon for today.
I agree, though I'm not sure if this was aimed at me or just spoken in general...
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I knew 1 old guy who was juiced to the max (tons of Ifbb/Nabba trophies & titles) & now is INBA masters international champ ;D ;D ;D
Unsurprising, natural bodybuilding is a joke!
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In the USA it's illegal and a felony so that is what I'm referring too. If it's legal where you are it's different of course.
If you need to take drugs so you can admire yourself in the mirror and feel good about yourself you are weak in your head,
Find a better way to deal with your insecurities and build your self-esteem instead of relying on the crutch of drugs.
Once you stop the drugs you are back to Clark Kent and you will still be insecure.
That's my sermon for today.
He’s not using for himself, it’s for his kangaroo
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Unsurprising, natural bodybuilding is a joke!
There is nothing like 3 'natural' Mr.Aussie contests in 1 year ;D
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Drugs are illegal so you're dumb if you "parade" your drug usage.
Would you go "parade" your use of heroin or meth? No, because it's illegal.
"Hey, I'm shooting heroin everyday!"
Bodybuilding has been bullshat since steroids were invented.
It's all a con to sucker people to buy useless supplements.
Take drugs to be the man you really aren't. Shrink your balls until they don't work and you have to take TRT to stay a man.
Become the desire of every fag because women couldn't care less.
Mmmmmm, before weed was legal in California no one was hiding it, most would brag about weed use and it’s arguably a lot worse for you than gear.
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how many of these guys were actually natural. ??? ::)
This " sport " has been a joke since day one.
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Mmmmmm, before weed was legal in California no one was hiding it, most would brag about weed use and it’s arguably a lot worse for you than gear.
Does it make it right though? Both are still illegal in a lot of states (steroids are illegal in all states without a prescription, test being the common hormone)
Whether one is worse than the other is pretty irrelevant
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Does it make it right though? Both are still illegal in a lot of states (steroids are illegal in all states without a prescription, test being the common hormone)
Whether one is worse than the other is pretty irrelevant
You're missing the point. The initial discussion surrounded the social stigma around gear (and admitting to it) - not the legality of it or the risk of authorities knocking your door down for some vials in the fridge.
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I agree, though I'm not sure if this was aimed at me or just spoken in general...
I forget.
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Funk,
All those guys are natural except Ferrigno because he got hit with Gamma Rays.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_bdVR-JIDi2g/RmT_hIQ8UCI/AAAAAAAABy0/u1gZ_9TZuc0/s400/the-gamma-bomb.jpg)
;D
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This " sport " has been a joke since day one.
maybe not day one but soon after.
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maybe not day one but soon after.
Is there a reason cocks must be at eye level?.... even from the beginning apparently?
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maybe not day one but soon after.
The best trophy contest ever, Eugen presented 3 of his statues !.
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You're missing the point. The initial discussion surrounded the social stigma around gear (and admitting to it) - not the legality of it or the risk of authorities knocking your door down for some vials in the fridge.
U can legally bring 3 months of juice supply in AU ;D
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Drugs are illegal so you're dumb if you "parade" your drug usage.
Would you go "parade" your use of heroin or meth? No, because it's illegal.
"Hey, I'm shooting heroin everyday!"
Bodybuilding has been bullshat since steroids were invented.
It's all a con to sucker people to buy useless supplements.
Take drugs to be the man you really aren't. Shrink your balls until they don't work and you have to take TRT to stay a man.
Become the desire of every fag because women couldn't care less.
Money laundering is ilegal, so you're dumb if you parade your money laundering.
Same thing. You make a " career " based on lies fraud and selling fart powders.
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Guy A and Guy B both have similar, if not, identical genetics.
Guy A: takes steroids, GH, and insulin, trains like shit and subpar diet.
Guy B: 100% natural, trains hard, eats 8 meals per day.
Two questions:
1) who has the better chance of becoming huge and ripped?
2) who has the better chance of becoming an NPC level competitor or IFBB pro?
Easily A.
Circa 2013, I was hospitalized with a nasty case of diverticulitis. I went in at 243 (I think?); three weeks later, after earning myself a sweet colostomy bag that I had for the next six months, I think I was 205?
Anyhow, when I went in, I took 250 mg Test E once weekly. I was 35 at the time.
When I was discharged, I mostly ate ice cream, pudding and yogurt. I didn't lift a thing, but I kept doing the weekly 250 mg Test.
On my second check-up, maybe 10 weeks post surgery (? Eight? Six? I dunno), I saw my surgeon wearing a tight Polo. I was back up to 225 and had not fattened up. I also hadn't lifted anything heavier than a spoon in that time. He was shocked at how I looked.
Granted, I had trained for twenty years, most of those natty. But the drugs are VERY powerful, indeed. These "hur finishing touch der hur!" guys are kidding themselves. It's a rare, precious few who use intelligently and aren't "all drugs"; e.g., Wes, Coach, Pellius, Go4it and tres taco.
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Easily A.
Circa 2013, I was hospitalized with a nasty case of diverticulitis. I went in at 243 (I think?); three weeks later, after earning myself a sweet colostomy bag that I had for the next six months, I think I was 205?
Anyhow, when I went in, I took 250 mg Test E once weekly. I was 35 at the time.
When I was discharged, I mostly ate ice cream, pudding and yogurt. I didn't lift a thing, but I kept doing the weekly 250 mg Test.
On my second check-up, maybe 10 weeks post surgery (? Eight? Six? I dunno), I saw my surgeon wearing a tight Polo. I was back up to 225 and had not fattened up. I also hadn't lifted anything heavier than a spoon in that time. He was shocked at how I looked.
Granted, I had trained for twenty years, most of those natty. But the drugs are VERY powerful, indeed. These "hur finishing touch der hur!" guys are kidding themselves. It's a rare, precious few who use intelligently and aren't "all drugs"; e.g., Wes, Coach, Pellius, Go4it and tres taco.
Lol pellius
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Evin Scent of Panties
Love that scent. Love that faint scent.
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Love that scent. Love that faint scent.
panties and a sock, sounds like a romantic Schmoe night tonight
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PELLIUS, I was recently thinking about thanking some of the GetBgger whom I personally believe know what the fuk they are talking about whe n it comes to the lifting of heavy things and the results thereof!
And then I saw that you mentioned Wes, Coach, Go4it, Tres Taco
and yourself .... all of whom I completely agree with ....
But I honestly think that we are overlooking a few other GeBiggers who live the life and know what the hell they are talking about.
And to add to the above ... If I had the smarts and the time to do so , I'd put a gun to their head and encourage Go4 and Tres to start a motivation and diet and training program on the net and share their expertise and make millions (if not hundreds!) instead of wasteing a few hours each day among those of us (include me out) who could care less about what they offer freely on this board.
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So, basically, drugs are more important than diet and training, is what you're saying, especially when it comes to getting big and ripped and/or competing?
And, yes, your experience of mild steroid use speaks strongly to it being the main contributing factor.
Some guys on building sites, work hard & eat good, don't need any gym work.
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Some guys on building sites, work hard & eat good, don't need any gym work.
Do you have pictures of what you're talking about bro?
Obviously there are (genetically) large and muscular men who dont work out, and their size and shape can put the most dedicated of us to shame. They dont look like bodybuilders in the traditional sense, but they are true genetic freaks. Big by nature and theyd rather be smaller and unnoticed.
SF1900's point is that a lifter on androgen based drugs will generally beat a drug free physique. Do you disagree?
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Drugs are illegal so you're dumb if you "parade" your drug usage.
Would you go "parade" your use of heroin or meth? No, because it's illegal.
"Hey, I'm shooting heroin everyday!"
Bodybuilding has been bullshat since steroids were invented.
It's all a con to sucker people to buy useless supplements.
Take drugs to be the man you really aren't. Shrink your balls until they don't work and you have to take TRT to stay a man.
Become the desire of every fag because women couldn't care less.
Seriously, call a cop. The only reason why most gear illegal is because it doesn’t drive in the tax revenue as weed. I guaranfuckingtee if it got you high and it was considered a addictive substance it be legal tomorrow.
“Shrink your balls” ::)
Weed is worse than gear by 10 fold yet it’s legal (in California)
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Yeah, when I smoke weed I have to take HCG to prevent my balls from shrinking, finasteride to stop going bald, lisinopril to lower blood pressure, arimidex to lower estrogen, nolvadex to prevent gyno, statins to keep cholesterol down, accutane to reduce the acne. TUDCA and NAC to protect my liver, xanax to fall asleep on tren.
Whenever I stop smoking weed I have to take HCG and clomid for months to get my balls working again. If I can't get my balls restarted then I become dependent on weed replacement therapy for the rest of my life.
Steroids are a lot safer.
Infinitely safer
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lol...never heard of him
Mee too. Looks great. Not all known is more worthy.
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Yeah, when I smoke weed I have to take HCG to prevent my balls from shrinking, finasteride to stop going bald, lisinopril to lower blood pressure, arimidex to lower estrogen, nolvadex to prevent gyno, statins to keep cholesterol down, accutane to reduce the acne. TUDCA and NAC to protect my liver, xanax to fall asleep on tren, diuretics to get rid of bloat.
Whenever I stop smoking weed I have to take HCG and clomid for months to get my balls working again. If I can't get my balls restarted then I become dependent on weed replacement therapy for the rest of my life.
Steroids are a lot safer.
Haha lol ;D
Just look at the side effects of weed vs PEDs.
PEDs are 100x more dangerous than weed.
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PELLIUS, I was recently thinking about thanking some of the GetBgger whom I personally believe know what the fuk they are talking about whe n it comes to the lifting of heavy things and the results thereof!
And then I saw that you mentioned Wes, Coach, Go4it, Tres Taco
and yourself .... all of whom I completely agree with ....
But I honestly think that we are overlooking a few other GeBiggers who live the life and know what the hell they are talking about.
And to add to the above ... If I had the smarts and the time to do so , I'd put a gun to their head and encourage Go4 and Tres to start a motivation and diet and training program on the net and share their expertise and make millions (if not hundreds!)instead of wasteing a few hours each day among those of us (include me out) who could care less about what they offer freely on this board.
Lol a big No, it’s over saturated, those two mentioned have a hell of a physique but in the fitness industry that’s a dime a dozen, my good friend Kevin P (who used to post here) had all the tools, even turned pro, had a following on social media and he could have became bigger than life but took a different direction and career path
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I forgot cabergoline to lower prolactin and viagra to combat deca dick.
And nubain mixed in with everything else
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I forgot cabergoline to lower prolactin and viagra to combat deca dick.
The amount of drugs needed to counteract the negative side effects of PEDs, just proves it’s more dangerous than marijuana.
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You weed smokers will believe whatever the government tells you and then go with bias “studies” coming out of the weed industry. lol
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Granted this was before it was made legal in California but it doesn’t matter....you’ll still believe as long as it puts you in an altered state of mind it’s still your miracle drug
1. It’s against the law (without proper prescription or recommendation).
2. There are 400-460 chemicals in a marijuana cigarette.
3. There are 55 known cancer causing chemicals in marijuana.
4. There is 3-5 times more tar in one marijuana cigarette as compared with tobacco.
5. There is 3-5 times more carbon monoxide absorbed as compared with tobacco.
6. Marijuana smoke is 18 times hotter than cigarette smoke.
7. Marijuana potency has increased as much as 40 times since the 60’s.
8. 90% of the tar inhaled remains in the lungs forever.
9. Six months of marijuana smoking produces the same damage as 20-25 years of cigarette smoking.
10. Marijuana causes 40-50% decrease in reaction time.
11. Marijuana causes heart rate increase of 15-20%, and raises or lowers blood pressure, as well as lowering body temperature.
12. With chronic/heavy use 3-12 times as many cancer growths develop as compared to other causes of cancer, and they grow 4 times more quickly.
13. Marijuana use can lead to addiction.
14. Marijuana causes substantial decrease in immunological response system and weakens macrophages (a.k.a. killer cells) and T-cells. .
15. Marijuana suppresses white blood cell, blood lymphocyte production..
16. Marijuana inhibits dopamine production (brain hormone/neurotransmitter involved with emotion, mood, attention, learning, sleep and many other complex brain and central nervous system functions).
17. Marijuana increases susceptibility to disease and prolongs illness.
18. Marijuana use depresses cell division and synthesis of DNA.
19. Marijuana use alters the structure of brain cell membrane.
20. Marijuana use alters cell structure in lung air passages and bronchial passages.
21. Marijuana may be laced with harder drugs before sale without the users’ knowledge.
22. Marijuana use in males can cause a 50% decrease in testosterone levels, with as little as one weeks use.
23. Marijuana use (chronic/heavy) in prepubescent males may cause: permanent sterility, failure to develop masculine traits, reproductive immaturity or chromosome damage.
24. Marijuana use (chronic/heavy) in prepubescent females may cause: inactive ovaries and post puberty may cause low birth weight babies or still births
25. Marijuana use in females can result in 3-4 times as many defective monthly cycles (no ovulation or shortened fertility)
26. Long term use can cause “A-motivational syndrome”, which is the loss of motivation, short attention span, decreased energy and ambition, impaired communication skills, poor judgment and diminished effectiveness in social situations due to permanent damage to the limbic area of the brain.
27. Chemicals (THC) from marijuana are fat-soluble and tend to be retained in the body, particularly in the brain and reproductive organs.
28. Marijuana impairs judgment which contributes to accidents, bad decision making and harmful behavior (STD’s, HIV, car accidents, pregnancy, arrests, etc.).
29. Marijuana use leads to abnormal functioning of lung tissue (injured or destroyed).
30. Marijuana use can cause distorted perception (sight, sounds, time, touch)
31. Marijuana use can cause loss of motor skills (timing, balance, movements, and coordination).
32. Marijuana users are at greater risk for chest colds, lung infections, pneumonia, daily cough, phlegm, bacterial infections, fungi and bronchitis.
33. Marijuana users are at risk to become addicted to “harder” drugs.
34. Marijuana use puts adolescents at risk of damaging key brain pathways.
35. Chronic/heavy marijuana use can cause withdrawal symptoms
36. Marijuana use shuts down or restricts blood flow patterns to the frontal lobe, and interferes with the normal function of the hippocampus and cortex.
37. Marijuana use can lead to lower college entrance exam scores.
38. Marijuana users (teenaged) are 4 times as likely to become pregnant or get someone pregnant
39. Marijuana linked to lower grades. “D” average students are 4 times as likely to have used marijuana as “A” student.
40. Marijuana use can lead to loss of scholarship or scholarship money.
41. Teenage marijuana user’s drop out rate is twice that of non-user, 5 times as likely if alcohol and other drugs are used.
42. Marijuana users are more vulnerable to neuropsychological deficits, especially verbal.
43. Marijuana use may cause or trigger paranoia, hallucinations, flash backs, depersonalization, depression, aggressiveness, toxic psychosis, bipolar, schizophrenia, social withdrawal, irritability, paranoia, anxiety, nervousness, anger, insomnia, violent outbursts, suicidal thought, severe changes in appetite and delusions.
44. Marijuana changes and impedes mental health similar to ways that cocaine, heroin and alcohol do. Regular use may double risk of developing psychotic symptoms.
45. Marijuana users 4 times (5 times in females) as likely to suffer from depression later in life. Childhood use increases depression risk 17%
46. Marijuana can cause problems with memory, learning, concentration, language, and information retention, processing, registering, organizing, and shifting attention (can last for several weeks or be permanent6yvb)
47. Marijuana can cause loss of abstract memory (chronic/heavy use), as well as problems with emotion, creativity and problem solving.
48. Marijuana users are 3 times as likely to have suicidal thoughts.
49. Marijuana users are more likely to have panic attacks and anxiety.
50. Marijuana users (even infrequent) have a 40% increased chance of developing a psychotic disorder later in life. Heavy users (daily) increase risk from 50%-200%.
51. Marijuana users have a more than 6 times greater risk of developing schizophrenia. Even greater risk if there is a family history of the disorder.
52. In 2013, approximately 455,668 people were admitted to emergency rooms for marijuana related problems.
53. Addiction to marijuana can lead to costly drug rehabilitation (marijuana main problem).
54. Purchasing marijuana financially contributes to various levels of criminal enterprise and enables numerous crimes and violence to occur.
55. If you are arrested or cited for a marijuana related offence you may incur: fines, court costs, legal fees, jail sentence, community service time, suspended license, delayed license issuance, and criminal arrest record. You may also incur job loss, school suspension/expulsion, increased vehicle insurance rate and denial of college admittance.
56. Marijuana users are 3 times more likely to develop cancer of the head and neck.
57. Marijuana users risk for heart attack is nearly 5 times greater in the first hour after smoking pot.
58. Marijuana smokers experience 55% more industrial accidents, 85% more injuries, 75% increase in absenteeism, greater workers compensation claims and higher job turnover
59. Marijuana users (early start age) have substantially lower incomes.
60. Long term marijuana users show 70% impairment in decision making abilities.
61. Driving after even a small amount of marijuana use doubles risk for fatal highway accident, larger dose triples risk.
62. Heavy marijuana users at higher risk for gum disease before age of 32, (marijuana is responsible for, 1/3 of new cases).
63. In males, marijuana use causes: significantly less seminal fluid, lower sperm count changes in sperm enzyme cap, reduced ability to attach to egg, abnormal sperm behavior and decreased fertility.
64. Evidence suggests marijuana may be a risk factor in stroke.
65. Evidence suggests marijuana may increase chances of lung, oral cavity, pharynx, and larynx cancer,
66. Marijuana smoke contains 50-70% more carcinogenic hydrocarbons (cancer causing agents) than cigarette smoke.
67. Woman who abuse marijuana during pregnancy or breast feeding expose their children to neurological problems, poor memory and attention, deficits in problem solving and attentiveness, altered response to visual stimuli, impaired motor development, birth defects and retardation of fetal growth and development and lower birth weight babies.
68. Marijuana smokers increase risk of lung cancer by 5.7 times over non-smokers.
69. Marijuana smokers hold harmful smoke in their lungs longer and deeper, which increases their exposure to the dangerous toxins in the drug.
70. Marijuana can contain deadly molds (aspergillus) and the salmonella bacteria.
71. Marijuana may suppress sex drive and contribute to sexual dysfunction.
72. One in four people have the genetic profile that makes marijuana five times more likely to trigger psychotic disorders.
73. 12-17 year olds who smoke marijuana are 85 times more likely to use cocaine.
74. Regular marijuana use may double the risk of developing psychotic symptoms.
75. More kids enter treatment for marijuana dependency then all other illegal drugs combined.
76. Adolescent marijuana use can permanently stunt intelligence by up to 8, I.Q. points.
77. Marijuana use can cause Alzheimer like symptoms.
78. Marijuana use can cause impaired disease resistance.
79. Heavy marijuana users admitted marijuana use negatively impacted all aspects of their lives, including job performance, health, mental wellbeing and satisfactory socializing.
80. Marijuana users report greater health problems later in life.
81. Even light marijuana use shows significant abnormalities in two vital brain regions (nucleus accumbens & amygdala) important in motivation and emotion. These areas control pleasure, reward and reinforcement learning.
82. In the brains of marijuana users, natural rewards such as food, sex and social interaction are less satisfying. This renders the drug more important than normal life pleasures.
83. 9% of marijuana users become addicted.
84. THC levels of commercially available marijuana (edible products) are unreliable (far weaker or up to 50% higher) and in some instances have been found to be “blatant misstatements.”
85. Marijuana use may contribute to heart and artery disease among young and middle-aged adults, particularly those already at risk.
86. Research has linked marijuana use during pregnancy to brain and behavior problems in the babies.
87. Regular marijuana users experienced more antisocial behavior at work such as: stealing and lying.
88. Regular marijuana users experience more relationship problems such as: intimate partner violence and controlling abuse.
89. Regular marijuana users experienced ending up in lower-paying, less skilled and less prestigious jobs than non-users.
90. Regular marijuana users ended up in lower social class than their parents.
91. Marijuana use in late teen years (18-19) are 40% more likely to die by the age of 60.
92. Marijuana use in early life is linked to poorer psychological health.
93. Recreational marijuana use leads to alarming increase of fatal vehicle crashes.
94. Heavy and/or long-term marijuana use can cause Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome (CHS), which can cause nausea, vomiting, dehydration and possibly kidney failure.
95. Marijuana use encourages illegal farming, which pollutes the environment with large amounts of deadly toxic pesticides and fertilizers.
96. Marijuana smokers are a three time greater risk of dying from hypertension, or high blood pressure than those who have never used the drug.
The facts in this list have been collected from numerous sources. They include but are not limited to: www.theantidrug.com , National Institute of Drug Abuse ( www.nida.nih.gov ), www.abovetheinfluence.co m , www.howstuffworks.com , Office of National Drug Control Policy, Drug Awareness Warning Network (DAWN), AAA, Narcotic Educational Foundation of America (www.cnoa.org), National Center on addiction and Substance Abuse, www.msnbc.msn.com, Denver Post and others. Contributing groups for this information include but are not limited to Yale University, Harvard University, Cardiff University, Cambridge University, Duke University, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, University of Bristol, Columbia University, University of Washington, University of Buffalo, Karolinska Institute Stockholm, Journal of American Medical Association, New England Journal of Medicine, Journal of neuroscience, British Medical Journal, American Journal of public health, Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, Institute of Psychiatry Kings College London, Archives of General Psychiatry, Australian and New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry, Psychological Medicine. Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery and Psychiatry, International Journal of Clinical Pharmacology. * Last update 04-26-16 *
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Granted this was before it was made legal in California but it doesn’t matter....you’ll still believe as long as it puts you in an altered state of mind it’s still your miracle drug
1. It’s against the law (without proper prescription or recommendation).
2. There are 400-460 chemicals in a marijuana cigarette.
3. There are 55 known cancer causing chemicals in marijuana.
4. There is 3-5 times more tar in one marijuana cigarette as compared with tobacco.
5. There is 3-5 times more carbon monoxide absorbed as compared with tobacco.
6. Marijuana smoke is 18 times hotter than cigarette smoke.
7. Marijuana potency has increased as much as 40 times since the 60’s.
8. 90% of the tar inhaled remains in the lungs forever.
9. Six months of marijuana smoking produces the same damage as 20-25 years of cigarette smoking.
10. Marijuana causes 40-50% decrease in reaction time.
11. Marijuana causes heart rate increase of 15-20%, and raises or lowers blood pressure, as well as lowering body temperature.
12. With chronic/heavy use 3-12 times as many cancer growths develop as compared to other causes of cancer, and they grow 4 times more quickly.
13. Marijuana use can lead to addiction.
14. Marijuana causes substantial decrease in immunological response system and weakens macrophages (a.k.a. killer cells) and T-cells. .
15. Marijuana suppresses white blood cell, blood lymphocyte production..
16. Marijuana inhibits dopamine production (brain hormone/neurotransmitter involved with emotion, mood, attention, learning, sleep and many other complex brain and central nervous system functions).
17. Marijuana increases susceptibility to disease and prolongs illness.
18. Marijuana use depresses cell division and synthesis of DNA.
19. Marijuana use alters the structure of brain cell membrane.
20. Marijuana use alters cell structure in lung air passages and bronchial passages.
21. Marijuana may be laced with harder drugs before sale without the users’ knowledge.
22. Marijuana use in males can cause a 50% decrease in testosterone levels, with as little as one weeks use.
23. Marijuana use (chronic/heavy) in prepubescent males may cause: permanent sterility, failure to develop masculine traits, reproductive immaturity or chromosome damage.
24. Marijuana use (chronic/heavy) in prepubescent females may cause: inactive ovaries and post puberty may cause low birth weight babies or still births
25. Marijuana use in females can result in 3-4 times as many defective monthly cycles (no ovulation or shortened fertility)
26. Long term use can cause “A-motivational syndrome”, which is the loss of motivation, short attention span, decreased energy and ambition, impaired communication skills, poor judgment and diminished effectiveness in social situations due to permanent damage to the limbic area of the brain.
27. Chemicals (THC) from marijuana are fat-soluble and tend to be retained in the body, particularly in the brain and reproductive organs.
28. Marijuana impairs judgment which contributes to accidents, bad decision making and harmful behavior (STD’s, HIV, car accidents, pregnancy, arrests, etc.).
29. Marijuana use leads to abnormal functioning of lung tissue (injured or destroyed).
30. Marijuana use can cause distorted perception (sight, sounds, time, touch)
31. Marijuana use can cause loss of motor skills (timing, balance, movements, and coordination).
32. Marijuana users are at greater risk for chest colds, lung infections, pneumonia, daily cough, phlegm, bacterial infections, fungi and bronchitis.
33. Marijuana users are at risk to become addicted to “harder” drugs.
34. Marijuana use puts adolescents at risk of damaging key brain pathways.
35. Chronic/heavy marijuana use can cause withdrawal symptoms
36. Marijuana use shuts down or restricts blood flow patterns to the frontal lobe, and interferes with the normal function of the hippocampus and cortex.
37. Marijuana use can lead to lower college entrance exam scores.
38. Marijuana users (teenaged) are 4 times as likely to become pregnant or get someone pregnant
39. Marijuana linked to lower grades. “D” average students are 4 times as likely to have used marijuana as “A” student.
40. Marijuana use can lead to loss of scholarship or scholarship money.
41. Teenage marijuana user’s drop out rate is twice that of non-user, 5 times as likely if alcohol and other drugs are used.
42. Marijuana users are more vulnerable to neuropsychological deficits, especially verbal.
43. Marijuana use may cause or trigger paranoia, hallucinations, flash backs, depersonalization, depression, aggressiveness, toxic psychosis, bipolar, schizophrenia, social withdrawal, irritability, paranoia, anxiety, nervousness, anger, insomnia, violent outbursts, suicidal thought, severe changes in appetite and delusions.
44. Marijuana changes and impedes mental health similar to ways that cocaine, heroin and alcohol do. Regular use may double risk of developing psychotic symptoms.
45. Marijuana users 4 times (5 times in females) as likely to suffer from depression later in life. Childhood use increases depression risk 17%
46. Marijuana can cause problems with memory, learning, concentration, language, and information retention, processing, registering, organizing, and shifting attention (can last for several weeks or be permanent6yvb)
47. Marijuana can cause loss of abstract memory (chronic/heavy use), as well as problems with emotion, creativity and problem solving.
48. Marijuana users are 3 times as likely to have suicidal thoughts.
49. Marijuana users are more likely to have panic attacks and anxiety.
50. Marijuana users (even infrequent) have a 40% increased chance of developing a psychotic disorder later in life. Heavy users (daily) increase risk from 50%-200%.
51. Marijuana users have a more than 6 times greater risk of developing schizophrenia. Even greater risk if there is a family history of the disorder.
52. In 2013, approximately 455,668 people were admitted to emergency rooms for marijuana related problems.
53. Addiction to marijuana can lead to costly drug rehabilitation (marijuana main problem).
54. Purchasing marijuana financially contributes to various levels of criminal enterprise and enables numerous crimes and violence to occur.
55. If you are arrested or cited for a marijuana related offence you may incur: fines, court costs, legal fees, jail sentence, community service time, suspended license, delayed license issuance, and criminal arrest record. You may also incur job loss, school suspension/expulsion, increased vehicle insurance rate and denial of college admittance.
56. Marijuana users are 3 times more likely to develop cancer of the head and neck.
57. Marijuana users risk for heart attack is nearly 5 times greater in the first hour after smoking pot.
58. Marijuana smokers experience 55% more industrial accidents, 85% more injuries, 75% increase in absenteeism, greater workers compensation claims and higher job turnover
59. Marijuana users (early start age) have substantially lower incomes.
60. Long term marijuana users show 70% impairment in decision making abilities.
61. Driving after even a small amount of marijuana use doubles risk for fatal highway accident, larger dose triples risk.
62. Heavy marijuana users at higher risk for gum disease before age of 32, (marijuana is responsible for, 1/3 of new cases).
63. In males, marijuana use causes: significantly less seminal fluid, lower sperm count changes in sperm enzyme cap, reduced ability to attach to egg, abnormal sperm behavior and decreased fertility.
64. Evidence suggests marijuana may be a risk factor in stroke.
65. Evidence suggests marijuana may increase chances of lung, oral cavity, pharynx, and larynx cancer,
66. Marijuana smoke contains 50-70% more carcinogenic hydrocarbons (cancer causing agents) than cigarette smoke.
67. Woman who abuse marijuana during pregnancy or breast feeding expose their children to neurological problems, poor memory and attention, deficits in problem solving and attentiveness, altered response to visual stimuli, impaired motor development, birth defects and retardation of fetal growth and development and lower birth weight babies.
68. Marijuana smokers increase risk of lung cancer by 5.7 times over non-smokers.
69. Marijuana smokers hold harmful smoke in their lungs longer and deeper, which increases their exposure to the dangerous toxins in the drug.
70. Marijuana can contain deadly molds (aspergillus) and the salmonella bacteria.
71. Marijuana may suppress sex drive and contribute to sexual dysfunction.
72. One in four people have the genetic profile that makes marijuana five times more likely to trigger psychotic disorders.
73. 12-17 year olds who smoke marijuana are 85 times more likely to use cocaine.
74. Regular marijuana use may double the risk of developing psychotic symptoms.
75. More kids enter treatment for marijuana dependency then all other illegal drugs combined.
76. Adolescent marijuana use can permanently stunt intelligence by up to 8, I.Q. points.
77. Marijuana use can cause Alzheimer like symptoms.
78. Marijuana use can cause impaired disease resistance.
79. Heavy marijuana users admitted marijuana use negatively impacted all aspects of their lives, including job performance, health, mental wellbeing and satisfactory socializing.
80. Marijuana users report greater health problems later in life.
81. Even light marijuana use shows significant abnormalities in two vital brain regions (nucleus accumbens & amygdala) important in motivation and emotion. These areas control pleasure, reward and reinforcement learning.
82. In the brains of marijuana users, natural rewards such as food, sex and social interaction are less satisfying. This renders the drug more important than normal life pleasures.
83. 9% of marijuana users become addicted.
84. THC levels of commercially available marijuana (edible products) are unreliable (far weaker or up to 50% higher) and in some instances have been found to be “blatant misstatements.”
85. Marijuana use may contribute to heart and artery disease among young and middle-aged adults, particularly those already at risk.
86. Research has linked marijuana use during pregnancy to brain and behavior problems in the babies.
87. Regular marijuana users experienced more antisocial behavior at work such as: stealing and lying.
88. Regular marijuana users experience more relationship problems such as: intimate partner violence and controlling abuse.
89. Regular marijuana users experienced ending up in lower-paying, less skilled and less prestigious jobs than non-users.
90. Regular marijuana users ended up in lower social class than their parents.
91. Marijuana use in late teen years (18-19) are 40% more likely to die by the age of 60.
92. Marijuana use in early life is linked to poorer psychological health.
93. Recreational marijuana use leads to alarming increase of fatal vehicle crashes.
94. Heavy and/or long-term marijuana use can cause Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome (CHS), which can cause nausea, vomiting, dehydration and possibly kidney failure.
95. Marijuana use encourages illegal farming, which pollutes the environment with large amounts of deadly toxic pesticides and fertilizers.
96. Marijuana smokers are a three time greater risk of dying from hypertension, or high blood pressure than those who have never used the drug.
The facts in this list have been collected from numerous sources. They include but are not limited to: www.theantidrug.com , National Institute of Drug Abuse ( www.nida.nih.gov ), www.abovetheinfluence.co m , www.howstuffworks.com , Office of National Drug Control Policy, Drug Awareness Warning Network (DAWN), AAA, Narcotic Educational Foundation of America (www.cnoa.org), National Center on addiction and Substance Abuse, www.msnbc.msn.com, Denver Post and others. Contributing groups for this information include but are not limited to Yale University, Harvard University, Cardiff University, Cambridge University, Duke University, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, University of Bristol, Columbia University, University of Washington, University of Buffalo, Karolinska Institute Stockholm, Journal of American Medical Association, New England Journal of Medicine, Journal of neuroscience, British Medical Journal, American Journal of public health, Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, Institute of Psychiatry Kings College London, Archives of General Psychiatry, Australian and New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry, Psychological Medicine. Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery and Psychiatry, International Journal of Clinical Pharmacology. * Last update 04-26-16 *
your choice of drug bro?
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Granted this was before it was made legal in California but it doesn’t matter....you’ll still believe as long as it puts you in an altered state of mind it’s still your miracle drug
1. It’s against the law (without proper prescription or recommendation).
2. There are 400-460 chemicals in a marijuana cigarette.
3. There are 55 known cancer causing chemicals in marijuana.
4. There is 3-5 times more tar in one marijuana cigarette as compared with tobacco.
5. There is 3-5 times more carbon monoxide absorbed as compared with tobacco.
6. Marijuana smoke is 18 times hotter than cigarette smoke.
7. Marijuana potency has increased as much as 40 times since the 60’s.
8. 90% of the tar inhaled remains in the lungs forever.
9. Six months of marijuana smoking produces the same damage as 20-25 years of cigarette smoking.
10. Marijuana causes 40-50% decrease in reaction time.
11. Marijuana causes heart rate increase of 15-20%, and raises or lowers blood pressure, as well as lowering body temperature.
12. With chronic/heavy use 3-12 times as many cancer growths develop as compared to other causes of cancer, and they grow 4 times more quickly.
13. Marijuana use can lead to addiction.
14. Marijuana causes substantial decrease in immunological response system and weakens macrophages (a.k.a. killer cells) and T-cells. .
15. Marijuana suppresses white blood cell, blood lymphocyte production..
16. Marijuana inhibits dopamine production (brain hormone/neurotransmitter involved with emotion, mood, attention, learning, sleep and many other complex brain and central nervous system functions).
17. Marijuana increases susceptibility to disease and prolongs illness.
18. Marijuana use depresses cell division and synthesis of DNA.
19. Marijuana use alters the structure of brain cell membrane.
20. Marijuana use alters cell structure in lung air passages and bronchial passages.
21. Marijuana may be laced with harder drugs before sale without the users’ knowledge.
22. Marijuana use in males can cause a 50% decrease in testosterone levels, with as little as one weeks use.
23. Marijuana use (chronic/heavy) in prepubescent males may cause: permanent sterility, failure to develop masculine traits, reproductive immaturity or chromosome damage.
24. Marijuana use (chronic/heavy) in prepubescent females may cause: inactive ovaries and post puberty may cause low birth weight babies or still births
25. Marijuana use in females can result in 3-4 times as many defective monthly cycles (no ovulation or shortened fertility)
26. Long term use can cause “A-motivational syndrome”, which is the loss of motivation, short attention span, decreased energy and ambition, impaired communication skills, poor judgment and diminished effectiveness in social situations due to permanent damage to the limbic area of the brain.
27. Chemicals (THC) from marijuana are fat-soluble and tend to be retained in the body, particularly in the brain and reproductive organs.
28. Marijuana impairs judgment which contributes to accidents, bad decision making and harmful behavior (STD’s, HIV, car accidents, pregnancy, arrests, etc.).
29. Marijuana use leads to abnormal functioning of lung tissue (injured or destroyed).
30. Marijuana use can cause distorted perception (sight, sounds, time, touch)
31. Marijuana use can cause loss of motor skills (timing, balance, movements, and coordination).
32. Marijuana users are at greater risk for chest colds, lung infections, pneumonia, daily cough, phlegm, bacterial infections, fungi and bronchitis.
33. Marijuana users are at risk to become addicted to “harder” drugs.
34. Marijuana use puts adolescents at risk of damaging key brain pathways.
35. Chronic/heavy marijuana use can cause withdrawal symptoms
36. Marijuana use shuts down or restricts blood flow patterns to the frontal lobe, and interferes with the normal function of the hippocampus and cortex.
37. Marijuana use can lead to lower college entrance exam scores.
38. Marijuana users (teenaged) are 4 times as likely to become pregnant or get someone pregnant
39. Marijuana linked to lower grades. “D” average students are 4 times as likely to have used marijuana as “A” student.
40. Marijuana use can lead to loss of scholarship or scholarship money.
41. Teenage marijuana user’s drop out rate is twice that of non-user, 5 times as likely if alcohol and other drugs are used.
42. Marijuana users are more vulnerable to neuropsychological deficits, especially verbal.
43. Marijuana use may cause or trigger paranoia, hallucinations, flash backs, depersonalization, depression, aggressiveness, toxic psychosis, bipolar, schizophrenia, social withdrawal, irritability, paranoia, anxiety, nervousness, anger, insomnia, violent outbursts, suicidal thought, severe changes in appetite and delusions.
44. Marijuana changes and impedes mental health similar to ways that cocaine, heroin and alcohol do. Regular use may double risk of developing psychotic symptoms.
45. Marijuana users 4 times (5 times in females) as likely to suffer from depression later in life. Childhood use increases depression risk 17%
46. Marijuana can cause problems with memory, learning, concentration, language, and information retention, processing, registering, organizing, and shifting attention (can last for several weeks or be permanent6yvb)
47. Marijuana can cause loss of abstract memory (chronic/heavy use), as well as problems with emotion, creativity and problem solving.
48. Marijuana users are 3 times as likely to have suicidal thoughts.
49. Marijuana users are more likely to have panic attacks and anxiety.
50. Marijuana users (even infrequent) have a 40% increased chance of developing a psychotic disorder later in life. Heavy users (daily) increase risk from 50%-200%.
51. Marijuana users have a more than 6 times greater risk of developing schizophrenia. Even greater risk if there is a family history of the disorder.
52. In 2013, approximately 455,668 people were admitted to emergency rooms for marijuana related problems.
53. Addiction to marijuana can lead to costly drug rehabilitation (marijuana main problem).
54. Purchasing marijuana financially contributes to various levels of criminal enterprise and enables numerous crimes and violence to occur.
55. If you are arrested or cited for a marijuana related offence you may incur: fines, court costs, legal fees, jail sentence, community service time, suspended license, delayed license issuance, and criminal arrest record. You may also incur job loss, school suspension/expulsion, increased vehicle insurance rate and denial of college admittance.
56. Marijuana users are 3 times more likely to develop cancer of the head and neck.
57. Marijuana users risk for heart attack is nearly 5 times greater in the first hour after smoking pot.
58. Marijuana smokers experience 55% more industrial accidents, 85% more injuries, 75% increase in absenteeism, greater workers compensation claims and higher job turnover
59. Marijuana users (early start age) have substantially lower incomes.
60. Long term marijuana users show 70% impairment in decision making abilities.
61. Driving after even a small amount of marijuana use doubles risk for fatal highway accident, larger dose triples risk.
62. Heavy marijuana users at higher risk for gum disease before age of 32, (marijuana is responsible for, 1/3 of new cases).
63. In males, marijuana use causes: significantly less seminal fluid, lower sperm count changes in sperm enzyme cap, reduced ability to attach to egg, abnormal sperm behavior and decreased fertility.
64. Evidence suggests marijuana may be a risk factor in stroke.
65. Evidence suggests marijuana may increase chances of lung, oral cavity, pharynx, and larynx cancer,
66. Marijuana smoke contains 50-70% more carcinogenic hydrocarbons (cancer causing agents) than cigarette smoke.
67. Woman who abuse marijuana during pregnancy or breast feeding expose their children to neurological problems, poor memory and attention, deficits in problem solving and attentiveness, altered response to visual stimuli, impaired motor development, birth defects and retardation of fetal growth and development and lower birth weight babies.
68. Marijuana smokers increase risk of lung cancer by 5.7 times over non-smokers.
69. Marijuana smokers hold harmful smoke in their lungs longer and deeper, which increases their exposure to the dangerous toxins in the drug.
70. Marijuana can contain deadly molds (aspergillus) and the salmonella bacteria.
71. Marijuana may suppress sex drive and contribute to sexual dysfunction.
72. One in four people have the genetic profile that makes marijuana five times more likely to trigger psychotic disorders.
73. 12-17 year olds who smoke marijuana are 85 times more likely to use cocaine.
74. Regular marijuana use may double the risk of developing psychotic symptoms.
75. More kids enter treatment for marijuana dependency then all other illegal drugs combined.
76. Adolescent marijuana use can permanently stunt intelligence by up to 8, I.Q. points.
77. Marijuana use can cause Alzheimer like symptoms.
78. Marijuana use can cause impaired disease resistance.
79. Heavy marijuana users admitted marijuana use negatively impacted all aspects of their lives, including job performance, health, mental wellbeing and satisfactory socializing.
80. Marijuana users report greater health problems later in life.
81. Even light marijuana use shows significant abnormalities in two vital brain regions (nucleus accumbens & amygdala) important in motivation and emotion. These areas control pleasure, reward and reinforcement learning.
82. In the brains of marijuana users, natural rewards such as food, sex and social interaction are less satisfying. This renders the drug more important than normal life pleasures.
83. 9% of marijuana users become addicted.
84. THC levels of commercially available marijuana (edible products) are unreliable (far weaker or up to 50% higher) and in some instances have been found to be “blatant misstatements.”
85. Marijuana use may contribute to heart and artery disease among young and middle-aged adults, particularly those already at risk.
86. Research has linked marijuana use during pregnancy to brain and behavior problems in the babies.
87. Regular marijuana users experienced more antisocial behavior at work such as: stealing and lying.
88. Regular marijuana users experience more relationship problems such as: intimate partner violence and controlling abuse.
89. Regular marijuana users experienced ending up in lower-paying, less skilled and less prestigious jobs than non-users.
90. Regular marijuana users ended up in lower social class than their parents.
91. Marijuana use in late teen years (18-19) are 40% more likely to die by the age of 60.
92. Marijuana use in early life is linked to poorer psychological health.
93. Recreational marijuana use leads to alarming increase of fatal vehicle crashes.
94. Heavy and/or long-term marijuana use can cause Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome (CHS), which can cause nausea, vomiting, dehydration and possibly kidney failure.
95. Marijuana use encourages illegal farming, which pollutes the environment with large amounts of deadly toxic pesticides and fertilizers.
96. Marijuana smokers are a three time greater risk of dying from hypertension, or high blood pressure than those who have never used the drug.
The facts in this list have been collected from numerous sources. They include but are not limited to: www.theantidrug.com , National Institute of Drug Abuse ( www.nida.nih.gov ), www.abovetheinfluence.co m , www.howstuffworks.com , Office of National Drug Control Policy, Drug Awareness Warning Network (DAWN), AAA, Narcotic Educational Foundation of America (www.cnoa.org), National Center on addiction and Substance Abuse, www.msnbc.msn.com, Denver Post and others. Contributing groups for this information include but are not limited to Yale University, Harvard University, Cardiff University, Cambridge University, Duke University, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, University of Bristol, Columbia University, University of Washington, University of Buffalo, Karolinska Institute Stockholm, Journal of American Medical Association, New England Journal of Medicine, Journal of neuroscience, British Medical Journal, American Journal of public health, Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, Institute of Psychiatry Kings College London, Archives of General Psychiatry, Australian and New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry, Psychological Medicine. Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery and Psychiatry, International Journal of Clinical Pharmacology. * Last update 04-26-16 *
FTN
Not for Me
I knew some of those in the list
I’ll stick with my Bits of Gear.
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But aren’t all gear users also addicts to say the least? None can ever come 100 percent clean for years in and out, train clean, just eat healthy, and consistently. Almost everyone I know are on some “trt” in which they use more than those dosages, and don’t have any desire to work out when completely off
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But aren’t all gear users also addicts to say the least? None can ever come 100 percent clean for years in and out, train clean, just eat healthy, and consistently. Almost everyone I know are on some “trt” in which they use more than those dosages, and don’t have any desire to work out when completely off
Yeah but damn, at least most of us cycle on and off. If we were true “addicts” there would be no cycling on and off...ever.
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Yeah but damn, at least most of us cycle on and off. If we were true “addicts” there would be no cycling on and off...ever.
Have you ever injected into your cock?
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Yeah but damn, at least most of us cycle on and off. If we were true “addicts” there would be no cycling on and off...ever.
this new blast and cruise approach just caused mental addictions to skyrocket.
you need time off and to be comfortable with how you look clean, especially if you don't make money from your physique.
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Lol a big No, it’s over saturated, those two mentioned have a hell of a physique but in the fitness industry that’s a dime a dozen, my good friend Kevin P (who used to post here) had all the tools, even turned pro, had a following on social media and he could have became bigger than life but took a different direction and career path
Steroid addicts will always make an excuse for their addiction and downplay the role of steroids in health issues.
It’s ALWAYS a congenital problem.
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this new blast and cruise approach just caused mental addictions to skyrocket.
you need time off and to be comfortable with how you look clean, especially if you don't make money from your physique.
Isn’t that the problem?
They are not comfortable with their own bodies unless they are on and look a certain way.
I really don’t care who takes drugs but most hardcore bodybuilders are addicted.
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this new blast and cruise approach just caused mental addictions to skyrocket.
you need time off and to be comfortable with how you look clean, especially if you don't make money from your physique.
Don’t buy into the “blast and cruise” most who know better cycle on and off. You’d be out of your mind to not come off. IMO, it’s mostly internet bullshit
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Steroid addicts will always make an excuse for their addiction and downplay the role of steroids in health issues.
It’s ALWAYS a congenital problem.
You were fine for awhile now you’re just trying to start shit AGAIN not knowing what you’re talking about. Are you going to tell the 72 year old man that’s on HRT he’s a steroid addict? I would give my left nut for round table debate on this with anyone who thinks they can competently defend this bullshit.
When I asked you before to define a “steroid addict” you couldn’t
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Steroid addicts will always make an excuse for their addiction and downplay the role of steroids in health issues.
It’s ALWAYS a congenital problem.
I don’t make excuses I use them because they benefit Me
If you want to think / Believe I’m an addict Good for you
You’re entitled to your opinion also.
I accept there could be negative health issues & do my best to
Minimise any risks - Then again I drive 50k a year on very congested
British roads & that’s a far great Risk to my health / life - Again I do
What I can to try & minimise the risks.
So I’m a driving addict also am I ?
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I don’t make excuses I use them because they benefit Me
Good for you.
If you want to think / Believe I’m an addict Good for you. You’re entitled to your opinion also.
Thank you for allowing me to have my own opinion, although I never operationally defined who would be classified as an "addict."
I accept there could be negative health issues & do my best to Minimise any risks
Good for you.
Then again I drive 50k a year on very congested British roads & that’s a far great Risk to my health / life
I would need evidence for this assertion.
Again I do What I can to try & minimise the risks.
Good for you.
So I’m a driving addict also am I ?
I don't know what this has to do with the conversation, but okay.
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I don’t make excuses I use them because they benefit Me
Good for you.
If you want to think / Believe I’m an addict Good for you. You’re entitled to your opinion also.
Thank you for allowing me to have my own opinion, although I never operationally defined who would be classified as an "addict."
I accept there could be negative health issues & do my best to Minimise any risks
Good for you.
Then again I drive 50k a year on very congested British roads & that’s a far great Risk to my health / life
I would need evidence for this assertion.
Again I do What I can to try & minimise the risks.
Good for you.
So I’m a driving addict also am I ?
I don't know what this has to do with the conversation, but okay.
Thank you
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Ohh who exactly do you classify as a steroid addict ?
If it wasn’t a generalisation
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Don’t buy into the “blast and cruise” most who know better cycle on and off. You’d be out of your mind to not come off. IMO, it’s mostly internet bullshit
on a lot of the younger forums the kids are blasting and cruising, ending up on trt in their mid to late 20s lmao.
see that eric kanevsky youtube retard for an example of generation nothingness.
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on a lot of the younger forums the kids are blasting and cruising, ending up on trt in their mid to late 20s lmao.
see that eric kanevsky youtube retard for an example of generation nothingness.
millennials grrrrr
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build your natural build as much as you can and be happy/proud of a natty build cuz PED muscles are rented/leased.
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on a lot of the younger forums the kids are blasting and cruising, ending up on trt in their mid to late 20s lmao.
see that eric kanevsky youtube retard for an example of generation nothingness.
And this is the problem. There's a right way and a wrong way and they have to realize that "blasting and cruising" is the wrong way. Unfortunately, this is one of the biggest problems with the use of the internet and social media with so much misinformation.
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build your natural build as much as you can and be happy/proud of a natty build cuz PED muscles are rented/leased.
Really !!
Well I’ve rented / leases some of my muscle mass for the last 25+yrs
And I know a good few older than me that have done the same for longer
No doubt we’ll rent / lease till we die or decide we no longer want to rent / lease.
Each to their own - no bitterness from me towards those that don’t want to
Rent / lease any extra muscle mass.
The Hate & Bitterness comes from the Natural’s ::)
Strange That.
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Really !!
Well I’ve rented / leases some of my muscle mass for the last 25+yrs
And I know a good few older than me that have done the same for longer
No doubt we’ll rent / lease till we die or decide we no longer want to rent / lease.
Each to their own - no bitterness from me towards those that don’t want to
Rent / lease any extra muscle mass.
The Hate & Bitterness comes from the Natural’s ::)
Strange That.
ITS funny because there is no such thing as'natural'any degree of muscle size/mass gained druugged or trained 'clean'is not natural,any additional supplements used off shelf or injected is not natural,what seperates all things is extreme mass and or conditioning attained through drugs sadly 'natural'clean 'you cant have both,,,,the flip side is this there are some good genetic 'gym'physiques 'beach'builds 'clean'built through training and good eating than can be better than a 'gym rat juicing'inferior genetic types,,but in the end the trumpet blowing social media 'im natural'thing is strange...
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I think I have reached my natural limit. :'( :'( :'(
(https://i.imgur.com/L13zRvX.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1CJ1xkI.jpg)
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ITS funny because there is no such thing as'natural'any degree of muscle size/mass gained druugged or trained 'clean'is not natural,any additional supplements used off shelf or injected is not natural,what seperates all things is extreme mass and or conditioning attained through drugs sadly 'natural'clean 'you cant have both,,,,the flip side is this there are some good genetic 'gym'physiques 'beach'builds 'clean'built through training and good eating than can be better than a 'gym rat juicing'inferior genetic types,,but in the end the trumpet blowing social media 'im natural'thing is strange...
"Clean" makes it easier to maintain a decent physique at 12-15%, if you keep up with the gym/eating to maintain as much you can post steroids.
Being lifetime natty makes things much harder, as you weren't able to get that boost to reach your max potential.
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"Clean" makes it easier to maintain a decent physique at 12-15%, if you keep up with the gym/eating to maintain as much you can post steroids.
Being lifetime natty makes things much harder, as you weren't able to get that boost to reach your max potential.
true,,,
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I think I have reached my natural limit. :'( :'( :'(
(https://i.imgur.com/L13zRvX.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1CJ1xkI.jpg)
you have a thick build,,did you ever 'lean'out'not contest look but sub 8 to 10 pct per say?
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you have a thick build,,did you ever 'lean'out'not contest look but sub 8 to 10 pct per say?
I’ve lost a lot of weight. Went from like 205 to about 165-170, which I weigh in that pic. I don’t know what my body fat % is but I want to lose a little more.
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I’ve lost a lot of weight. Went from like 205 to about 165-170, which I weigh in that pic. I don’t know what my body fat % is but I want to lose a little more.
HEIGHT?
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Really !!
Well I’ve rented / leases some of my muscle mass for the last 25+yrs
And I know a good few older than me that have done the same for longer
No doubt we’ll rent / lease till we die or decide we no longer want to rent / lease.
Each to their own - no bitterness from me towards those that don’t want to
Rent / lease any extra muscle mass.
The Hate & Bitterness comes from the Natural’s ::)
Strange That.
1. i am not hating/not trolling and i never claim mike O hearn status either. what i am saying PEDs muscles are leased. its the truth -they are leased muscles. come off for a few years and stay off and where did the 20 inch arms go? ripped serratus muscles? vascularity in the lats = good bye!!! lease is up
2. also we know the what enhanced means; its pretty cut and dry = full fledged AAS use for a decent duration of time.
3. i never care nor believe anyone's claims natty or not. cuz it doesn't effect me one bit -we all know what goes on at the national level NPC mens classic shows... no one is fooling anyone
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ITS funny because there is no such thing as'natural'any degree of muscle size/mass gained druugged or trained 'clean'is not natural,any additional supplements used off shelf or injected is not natural,what seperates all things is extreme mass and or conditioning attained through drugs sadly 'natural'clean 'you cant have both,,,,the flip side is this there are some good genetic 'gym'physiques 'beach'builds 'clean'built through training and good eating than can be better than a 'gym rat juicing'inferior genetic types,,but in the end the trumpet blowing social media 'im natural'thing is strange...
Totally agree all this “I’m Natural” Business- So What & Good for Them if Their Happy.
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1. i am not hating/not trolling and i never claim mike O hearn status either. what i am saying PEDs muscles are leased. its the truth -they are leased muscles. come off for a few years and stay off and where did the 20 inch arms go? ripped serratus muscles? vascularity in the lats = good bye!!! lease is up
2. also we know the what enhanced means; its pretty cut and dry = full fledged AAS use for a decent duration of time.
3. i never care nor believe anyone's claims natty or not. cuz it doesn't effect me one bit -we all know what goes on at the national level NPC mens classic shows... no one is fooling anyone
Where did I mention anything about mike o’hearn ?
What if they want to just keep “Leasing Big Muscles” Till the Day They Die
Their “Leased Muscle will of been Permanent while they were Alive.
And as We’re all on the Planet For A Relatively Short Time Span Then you
Could also Say Everything We Do or Have is Just “Leased” While we are Alive.
Have a big $ Paying Job then you got a nice big house some expensive cars
A Few Flashy Women - Then you Lose you’re job & No Work for 2/3yrs & You’re
Broke - Where’s the Big house & Expensive cars & Flashy Girls — Gone !!
So you just “Leased” Them - And you’re Point is ? ..................
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I think there's a lot more to it than the points you've listed. I still think genetics is a huge factor, not just regarding your base look... But how you respond to gear, chemicals... whether your body is receptive, how you develop side effects, do you get cancer or liver failure or do you just grow like a weed. Etc etc
One of the biggest things in this argument is how you look clothed. 99% of in shape natural guys will just look small clothed. Users and abusers are in a whole different ball park.
I knew a guy who was quite small... When he was natural no matter what he did... He would not grow... granted he was in shape and he did compete and was in good condition but he was pocket sized....When he started using.... He became something else.
Not just that but he qualified and competed in the Olympia!
I also know guys that used for years and partied... Drank a lot... were inconsistent with training and just looked like shit.
It varies.
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Is anyone else not able to see pics?
Some pics show up but many don't.
Why does this happen? ???
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Is anyone else not able to see pics?
Some pics show up but many don't.
Why does this happen? ???
Yes I’m getting that happen quite often
I’d put it down to being in the UK as quite a few links posted won’t open
As there not accessible it says in UK / Europe