BBing became more about pinning slin and G4P. Physiques down the drain for the most part, athletes of today don't love the lifestyle like those did in the golden era.
Bodybuilding peaked with Arnold.TRUE ....but also arnold helped weider and weider used arnolds images for decades after to sell mag's /arnolds movie promotions ect....
Bodybuilding peaked with Arnold.x2. That was the pinnacle for sure.
Bodybuilding peaked with Arnold.
Bodybuilding hit the wall when Dianabol was invented. After this contest it was all over for real bodybuilding.
Yep, 100%
How so?
The eighties Haney era improved on Arnold's era by pushing the conditioning, there were no leaps in size but certainly in condition.
The gh and slin era that started in Yates era pushed the size boundary but at the expense of other attributes such as balance and proportion. I think mass became overvalued. At least those guys still trained balls to walls however.
Nowadays it the worse of both worlds. Too much drugs and shitty training and you can see it on stage.
a 1999 14th placed Jay Cutler would have beaten Brandon Curry...
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BOTH First appearances of Jay Cutler AND Ronnie Coleman would have DESTROYED Brandon Curry...
" it peaked with Ronnie " Yeah Buddy
a 1999 14th placed Jay Cutler would have beaten Brandon Curry...
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BOTH First appearances of Jay Cutler AND Ronnie Coleman would have DESTROYED Brandon Curry...
Just to clarify what I meant:
1999 Ronnie beats 2019 Brandon Curry by 2019 standards.
Whether or not you prefer 1989 Lee Haney...I'm not certain that 1989 Lee Haney beats 2019 Brandon Curry by 2019 standards. Or does he? I would think 1989 Lee Haney would not be lean enough, but I'm not sure.
Sure...I prefer 1989 Lee Haney's look to 2019 Brandon Curry's look...but I'm merely saying something to the effect of "By 2019 judging standards, any Mr. Olympia winning from Dorian's first win in 1992 to Shawn Rhoden's win in 2018 beats Brandon Curry in 2019."
So we can go back a full 27 years, snatch Dorian off the 1992 Mr. Olympia stage, transport him to the 2019 Mr. Olympia stage via the Flux Capacitor, and 1992 Dorian beats 2019 Brandon Curry.
Where else does a 1992 top competitor beat a 2019 top competitor?
Gnome sayin'?
That's crazy if true. I'd have to review the footage, but it's not as if Jay in that picture is night and day from Brandon Curry.
I think Ronnie's first appearance was in 1992...in 1996, Ronnie placed 6th, and that version of Ronnie could have probably beaten Brandon Curry. No question, 1998 Ronnie could have beaten Brandon Curry.
Is the consensus that 1998 Ronnie beats any version of Phil? Or...is the consensus that any version of Ronnie beats any version of Phil during their Mr. Olympia tenures?
not sure, but I bet the old version of Ronnie beats the new version of Yates and the old version of Yates beats the new version of Rhul, as opposed to the slightly older version of Platz juxtapositioned alongside the post op version of Fux in tandem with the syncopatic intertwining of Padilla and Franco.
Everything you posted there is actually correct, as far as I can tell. ;D
amazing... ;D
The opinions about the best years or last great years of bodybuilding depend on when you came into liking bodybuilding as a fan. I grew up in the 80's and like those physiques best. I think Ronnie Coleman looked like shit.
early 90's was the beginning of the end , insulin, hgh and synthol ruined it . . .
Bodybuilding peaked with Arnold.
most over rated bodybuilder in history.
I don't think 93 Dorian has been surpasses, nor will it ever.
most over rated bodybuilder in history.
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How so?
The eighties Haney era improved on Arnold's era by pushing the conditioning, there were no leaps in size but certainly in condition.
The gh and slin era that started in Yates era pushed the size boundary but at the expense of other attributes such as balance and proportion. I think mass became overvalued. At least those guys still trained balls to walls however.
Nowadays it the worse of both worlds. Too much drugs and shitty training and you can see it on stage.
Yes, that was probably the peak of size, proportion, and conditioning that a human can attain without that distorted look they have today.
early 90's was the beginning of the end , insulin, hgh and synthol ruined it . . .
It makes you wonder why someone doesn't try an old-school approach, just for once. If it's insulin that is really causing the glazed doughnut look why isn't someone brave enough to drop it and come in shredded I wonder..? I mean, I doubt Shawn Ray ever messed with his pancreas to get into this condition and he holds his own against Dorian here (IMHO)
Both sides of pose
Is the consensus that 1998 Ronnie beats any version of Phil? Or...is the consensus that any version of Ronnie beats any version of Phil during their Mr. Olympia tenures?
98, 99, 2003 ronnie are unbeatable in a contest, it's not a legit debate outside of fanboyism and bias
i'm not sure his other versions are beatable either, outside of 2002
phil from 2011 -2014 would definitely beat ronnie in 2002, possibly 2001
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Irony alert.
Ronnie 1998 only beat Flex by 3 points a close contest. Flex peaked for the 1998 ASC that year and if he showed up in that shape would have most likely beaten Ronnie. Phil would have NEVER beat Ronnie,EVER. You would have to know how contests are judged in order to draw a conclusion if Phil could and years of correcting your ignorance on the subject leads us back to your bias and ignorance.
Phil greatest of his generation and against his contemporaries but he would NOT touch Ronnie
everybody likes flex 93 right? it's his supposed best, or at least his most popular lookHow about the gut when standing relaxed?
well check out this comparison ;D
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ar_bxnHS-eg/hqdefault.jpg)
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what irony? you know who i'm a fanboy of and it isn't ronnie
don't care about the points, flex was the favorite to win going into the contest and the judges have a major tendency to judge guys based on what they looked like previously
show me the 98 asc pics where flex has large striated glues and hamstrings like ronnie at the olympia or a back that is even slightly comparable, or heck any body part that is comparable
no version of flex beats ronnie in 98 and neither does anybody else, amazing how after all these years you still haven't invested in glasses, lose the bias already
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what irony? you know who i'm a fanboy of and it isn't ronnie
don't care about the points, flex was the favorite to win going into the contest and the judges have a major tendency to judge guys based on what they looked like previously
show me the 98 asc pics where flex has large striated glues and hamstrings like ronnie at the olympia or a back that is even slightly comparable, or heck any body part that is comparable
no version of flex beats ronnie in 98 and neither does anybody else, amazing how after all these years you still haven't invested in glasses, lose the bias already
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look at dorian's face, thats the meaning of condition and dryness
everybody likes flex 93 right? it's his supposed best, or at least his most popular look
well check out this comparison ;D
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ar_bxnHS-eg/hqdefault.jpg)
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people thought gunther beat ronnie in 2002, but no version of phil heath beats him in 2002 ::)
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Irony alert.
Ronnie 1998 only beat Flex by 3 points a close contest. Flex peaked for the 1998 ASC that year and if he showed up in that shape would have most likely beaten Ronnie. Phil would have NEVER beat Ronnie,EVER. You would have to know how contests are judged in order to draw a conclusion if Phil could and years of correcting your ignorance on the subject leads us back to your bias and ignorance.
Phil greatest of his generation and against his contemporaries but he would NOT touch Ronnie
Close contest? Ronnie was overlooked in the first round and had 17 points to Flex's 5. He won the next three rounds with straight 5's to Flex's 10. That's the only reason you can say it looked close. Ronnie was maybe 5th best to win it if that, no-one seriously considered him.
Flex in his best condition isn't better than Ronnie 1998 or 1999 onwards. He probably would have won in 1998 if he'd showed up in top shape but he wouldn't have deserved it, he would have won on name.
Close contest? Ronnie was overlooked in the first round and had 17 points to Flex's 5. He won the next three rounds with straight 5's to Flex's 10. That's the only reason you can say it looked close. Ronnie was maybe 5th best to win it if that, no-one seriously considered him.
Flex in his best condition isn't better than Ronnie 1998 or 1999 onwards. He probably would have won in 1998 if he'd showed up in top shape but he wouldn't have deserved it, he would have won on name.
Look at the gut on Yates.
Ray has no gut.
I don't think 93 Dorian has been surpassed, nor will it ever.
everybody likes flex 93 right? it's his supposed best, or at least his most popular look
well check out this comparison ;D
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ar_bxnHS-eg/hqdefault.jpg)
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;D :o
How about the gut when standing relaxed?
Bias
Obviously but facts are still facts regardless if you don't care about them. just 3 points separated the two. And Flex was the heir apparent , if anything Nasser was the front runner for placing second the precious year, The judges made the right call, although Ronnie should have not won with bitch-tits :-X
Show me 98 pictures of Ronnie without female breasts. Still don't get how contests are judged after all these years. Poses win contests NOT parts.
1993/1998 Flex ASC in my opinion would beat Ronnie 1998. Dorian Yates 1993/1995 would DEMOLISH Ronnie 1998. And stop projecting your ignorance on others. And Phil doesn't come close to Flex , Ronnie or Dorian. Best of his era but his era sucks.
He did beat Ronnie in 2002 ;D
An obvious biased comparison. Not an issue because... Flex beat plenty of bigger softer guys and there are 7 other mandatory poses ( not parts ) see how that works. Now factor in the rest of the criteria and I don't see Phil beating Flex.
nasser was a contender, flex was the favorite while ronnie was the guy that never placed top 6 hence him not being judged fairly
you criticize ronnie's tits, yet ignore dorian's torn arm, show me the mandatory wear his tits are a major detriment the way dorian's arms were in each front pose
if poses win like you say, why are you saying his tits hurt his poses when that is one body part,i didn't know nipple quality was judged
show me the poses flex beat him, wear are the pics?
93 flex vs 98 ronnie, invest in glasses if you don't see a clear winner ;D ;D
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nasser was a contender, flex was the favorite while ronnie was the guy that never placed top 6 hence him not being judged fairly
you criticize ronnie's tits, yet ignore dorian's torn arm, show me the mandatory wear his tits are a major detriment the way dorian's arms were in each front pose
if poses win like you say, why are you saying his tits hurt his poses when that is one body part,i didn't know nipple quality was judged
show me the poses flex beat him, wear are the pics?
93 flex vs 98 ronnie, invest in glasses if you don't see a clear winner ;D ;D
so what is stopping you from showing me all the poses flex wins?
phil is bigger, harder, and more complete what argument is there for flex over phil other than he is prettier?
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phil is bigger, harder, and more complete what argument is there for flex over phil other than he is prettier?
that's my point, it's just more proof phil woud've beat him in 2002 as i said
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Kevin beat him in 2002 although they gave the contest to Ronnie. Kevin won the entire prejudging and that was the meat & potatoes of the contest and the nightshow was for the fans. Maybe Phil would beat Ronnie 2002 , Ronnie was that bad. but Kevin wasn't that spectacular either. but a prime Ronnie, Phil isn't touching him , no way , no how.
Disgusting Dorian ruined the sport. He was the GH and insulin monster who made the giant gut acceptable and could win Olympia’s with no arms at all.I would expect that opinion from someone with your avatar.
Disgusting Dorian ruined the sport. He was the GH and insulin monster who made the giant gut acceptable and could win Olympia’s with no arms at all.
Completely Wrong - Dorian Was a Competitor & The Judges Placed Him 1st
So No it wasn’t Dorian’s Doing - If You’re Looking to Blame anyone Blame the Judges.
Yates and the judges colluded many times. Yates only actually win 3 Sandows fairly.And yet he has so much more than 3.
Yates and the judges colluded many times. Yates only actually win 3 Sandows fairly.
Please - Have some Brains ::)
So Did Arnold / Haney /Ronnie/ Jay / Phil also Collude with their respective judging panels
Yates and the judges colluded many times. Yates only actually win 3 Sandows fairly.
Yates and the judges colluded many times. Yates only actually win 3 Sandows fairly.
Holy shit someone cracked out the Sharma gimmick , last posts before today , 2011 :o Who is it? SF1900
Absolute crap, the sport peaked in 93 with Yates every winner prior and after has been below this standard, it isn't my perfect mix for bodybuilding either, I prefer the older more classic look. But Yates on this day was unbeatable he had mass condition and symmetry. I have seen them all win live, Coleman, Cutler, Heath, none of them come near to yates 93, Ronnie for pure size, but never condition at that level, it had to be seen to be believed and he never looked that good again, good enough to beat everyone else, but never his 93 shape.
Nasser looked like he was in the NPC los angeles novice from the rear, side and front right up there if you ignored the obvious site stuff in his delts arms and calves but he never bothered anyone overall, sim,liar to Strydom could have been anything till he turned around.
Absolute crap, the sport peaked in 93 with Yates every winner prior and after has been below this standard, it isn't my perfect mix for bodybuilding either, I prefer the older more classic look. But Yates on this day was unbeatable he had mass condition and symmetry. I have seen them all win live, Coleman, Cutler, Heath, none of them come near to yates 93, Ronnie for pure size, but never condition at that level, it had to be seen to be believed and he never looked that good again, good enough to beat everyone else, but never his 93 shape.
Nasser looked like he was in the NPC los angeles novice from the rear, side and front right up there if you ignored the obvious site stuff in his delts arms and calves but he never bothered anyone overall, sim,liar to Strydom could have been anything till he turned around.
Absolute crap, the sport peaked in 93 with Yates every winner prior and after has been below this standard, it isn't my perfect mix for bodybuilding either, I prefer the older more classic look. But Yates on this day was unbeatable he had mass condition and symmetry. I have seen them all win live, Coleman, Cutler, Heath, none of them come near to yates 93, Ronnie for pure size, but never condition at that level, it had to be seen to be believed and he never looked that good again, good enough to beat everyone else, but never his 93 shape.
Nasser looked like he was in the NPC los angeles novice from the rear, side and front right up there if you ignored the obvious site stuff in his delts arms and calves but he never bothered anyone overall, sim,liar to Strydom could have been anything till he turned around.
Yates in person was hard to explain to people. Saw him guest pose at a show once. Holy F.
Absolute crap, the sport peaked in 93 with Yates every winner prior and after has been below this standard, it isn't my perfect mix for bodybuilding either, I prefer the older more classic look. But Yates on this day was unbeatable he had mass condition and symmetry. I have seen them all win live, Coleman, Cutler, Heath, none of them come near to yates 93, Ronnie for pure size, but never condition at that level, it had to be seen to be believed and he never looked that good again, good enough to beat everyone else, but never his 93 shape.X 3 good post.
Nasser looked like he was in the NPC los angeles novice from the rear, side and front right up there if you ignored the obvious site stuff in his delts arms and calves but he never bothered anyone overall, sim,liar to Strydom could have been anything till he turned around.
I saw Yates guest pose in Belfast in April of 93. He was in off-season condition and absolutely colossal.
What stood out for me was the size of his forearms whilst sitting signing pictures I'm the lobby. The muscle hanging from them was ridiculous. Like thighs.
everyone says Dorian's conditioning was out of this world
Wrong again. Ronnie placed top 6 in 1996 and he was judged fairly he won the contest and he was called out 9 times in the first round
False equivalence. The only pose that hurts Dorian's torn biceps is the front double biceps. He could easily lose this pose ( and probably did ) and a couple of other and still win the contest ( which he did ) you'd know this if you knew how contests are judged. And we're talking about female breasts on the greatest male bodybuilder on the planet ::)
See above.
I could post pictures but you would still come to your same ignorant biased conclusion. But you get the point , wait no you don't lol
Oh I do see a clear winner and it isn't pregnant bitch-tits
Same shit you see what you want. Phil best of his generation but his generation is ho-hum.
Phil is heavier , Flex had no problem beating heavier guys. harder? ::) no he's not. What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. And more complete? elaborate? what muscles does Phil have that Flex doesn't?
Neither have the best structure, Phil looks like 6 pounds of sugar stuffed in a 5 pound bag. Flex is better proportioned in my opinion. Flex would simply collect more poses and speaking of that , Flex knows how to pose and present his physique. Phil throws up shots and makes stupid faces ::)
Kevin beat him in 2002 although they gave the contest to Ronnie. Kevin won the entire prejudging and that was the meat & potatoes of the contest and the nightshow was for the fans. Maybe Phil would beat Ronnie 2002 , Ronnie was that bad. but Kevin wasn't that spectacular either. but a prime Ronnie, Phil isn't touching him , no way , no how.
Yates and the judges colluded many times. Yates only actually win 3 Sandows fairly.