Bodybuilding Hit the Wall 20 Years Ago.

[IroNat]

look at dorian's face, thats the meaning of condition and dryness

Look at the gut on Yates.

Ray has no gut.

[NarcissisticDeity]

everybody likes flex 93 right?   it's his supposed best, or at least his most popular look

well check out this comparison



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An obvious biased comparison. Not an issue because... Flex beat plenty of bigger softer guys and there are 7 other mandatory poses ( not parts ) see how that works. Now factor in the rest of the criteria and I don't see Phil beating Flex.

[NarcissisticDeity]

people thought gunther beat ronnie in 2002, but no version of phil heath beats him in 2002


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He did beat Ronnie in 2002 

[NarcissisticDeity]

  

[Tha Grim Lifter]

Irony alert.

Ronnie 1998 only beat Flex by 3 points a close contest. Flex peaked for the 1998 ASC that year and if he showed up in that shape would have most likely beaten Ronnie. Phil would have NEVER beat Ronnie,EVER. You would have to know how contests are judged in order to draw a conclusion if Phil could and years of correcting your ignorance on the subject leads us back to your bias and ignorance.

Phil greatest of his generation and against his contemporaries but he would NOT touch Ronnie  

Close contest? Ronnie was overlooked in the first round and had 17 points to Flex's 5. He won the next three rounds with straight 5's to Flex's 10. That's the only reason you can say it looked close. Ronnie was maybe 5th best to win it if that, no-one seriously considered him.

Flex in his best condition isn't better than Ronnie 1998 or 1999 onwards. He probably would have won in 1998 if he'd showed up in top shape but he wouldn't have deserved it, he would have won on name.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Close contest? Ronnie was overlooked in the first round and had 17 points to Flex's 5. He won the next three rounds with straight 5's to Flex's 10. That's the only reason you can say it looked close. Ronnie was maybe 5th best to win it if that, no-one seriously considered him.

Flex in his best condition isn't better than Ronnie 1998 or 1999 onwards. He probably would have won in 1998 if he'd showed up in top shape but he wouldn't have deserved it, he would have won on name.

Close contest? Ronnie was overlooked in the first round and had 17 points to Flex's 5. He won the next three rounds with straight 5's to Flex's 10. That's the only reason you can say it looked close. Ronnie was maybe 5th best to win it if that, no-one seriously considered him.

Stop repeating this lie. He was NOT ' overlooked ' in the first round. In fact he was in the second callout and 8 more after that.  close contest 32-35 points just 3 points separated the 2.

Flex in his best condition isn't better than Ronnie 1998 or 1999 onwards. He probably would have won in 1998 if he'd showed up in top shape but he wouldn't have deserved it, he would have won on name.

According to you. I beg to differ. I think Flex 1993 ASC smoked Ronnie 1998 and his bitch tits & gut

[Schmoff]

Look at the gut on Yates.

Ray has no gut.

well still smaller than most pros of today

[honest]

I don't think 93 Dorian has been surpassed, nor will it ever.

Totally agree he never looked that good again either, but thats the best ever, Ronnie took it to the next level size wise, but not as a sport.

[honest]

everybody likes flex 93 right?   it's his supposed best, or at least his most popular look

well check out this comparison



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Flex 93 cannot be compared to Heath, Phil was good for his day, but he wouldn't have beaten Ronnie, Flex or even Kevin 92 and prior to his pec tear, he just doesn't have the structure.

[AbrahamG]

 

What a cun't Kevin Levrone was/is.

[Earl1972]

How about the gut when standing relaxed?

that pic is 2011, the gut didn't become a big problem until 2017

and since when are shows judged by what they look like standing relaxed?  if standing relaxed was so important paul dillet would've won the olympia in 93


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[Earl1972]

Bias

Obviously but facts are still facts regardless if you don't care about them. just 3 points separated the two. And Flex was the heir apparent , if anything Nasser was the front runner for placing second the precious year, The judges made the right call, although Ronnie should have not won with bitch-tits 

Show me 98 pictures of Ronnie without female breasts. Still don't get how contests are judged after all these years. Poses win contests NOT parts.


1993/1998 Flex ASC in my opinion would beat Ronnie 1998. Dorian Yates 1993/1995 would DEMOLISH Ronnie 1998. And stop projecting your ignorance on others. And Phil doesn't come close to Flex , Ronnie or Dorian. Best of his era but his era sucks.

nasser was a contender, flex was the favorite while ronnie was the guy that never placed top 6 hence him not being judged fairly

you criticize ronnie's tits, yet ignore dorian's torn arm, show me the mandatory wear his tits are a major detriment the way dorian's arms were in each front pose

if poses win like you say, why are you saying his tits hurt his poses when that is one body part,i didn't know nipple quality was judged

show me the poses flex beat him, wear are the pics?

93 flex vs 98 ronnie, invest in glasses if you don't see a clear winner






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[Earl1972]

He did beat Ronnie in 2002 

that's my point, it's just more proof phil woud've beat him in 2002 as i said

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[Earl1972]

An obvious biased comparison. Not an issue because... Flex beat plenty of bigger softer guys and there are 7 other mandatory poses ( not parts ) see how that works. Now factor in the rest of the criteria and I don't see Phil beating Flex.

so what is stopping you from showing me all the poses flex wins?

phil is bigger, harder, and more complete what argument is there for flex over phil other than he is prettier?

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[NarcissisticDeity]

nasser was a contender, flex was the favorite while ronnie was the guy that never placed top 6 hence him not being judged fairly

you criticize ronnie's tits, yet ignore dorian's torn arm, show me the mandatory wear his tits are a major detriment the way dorian's arms were in each front pose

if poses win like you say, why are you saying his tits hurt his poses when that is one body part,i didn't know nipple quality was judged

show me the poses flex beat him, wear are the pics?

93 flex vs 98 ronnie, invest in glasses if you don't see a clear winner




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nasser was a contender, flex was the favorite while ronnie was the guy that never placed top 6 hence him not being judged fairly

Wrong again. Ronnie placed top 6 in 1996 and he was judged fairly he won the contest and he was called out 9 times in the first round

you criticize ronnie's tits, yet ignore dorian's torn arm, show me the mandatory wear his tits are a major detriment the way dorian's arms were in each front pose

False equivalence. The only pose that hurts Dorian's torn biceps is the front double biceps. He could easily lose this pose ( and probably did ) and a couple of other and still win the contest ( which he did ) you'd know this if you knew how contests are judged. And we're talking about female breasts on the greatest male bodybuilder on the planet 

if poses win like you say, why are you saying his tits hurt his poses when that is one body part,i didn't know nipple quality was judged

See above.

show me the poses flex beat him, wear are the pics?

I could post pictures but you would still come to your same ignorant biased conclusion. But you get the point , wait no you don't lol

93 flex vs 98 ronnie, invest in glasses if you don't see a clear winner

Oh I do see a clear winner and it isn't pregnant bitch-tits

[NarcissisticDeity]

so what is stopping you from showing me all the poses flex wins?

phil is bigger, harder, and more complete what argument is there for flex over phil other than he is prettier?

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Same shit you see what you want. Phil best of his generation but his generation is ho-hum.

phil is bigger, harder, and more complete what argument is there for flex over phil other than he is prettier?

Phil is heavier , Flex had no problem beating heavier guys. harder?  no he's not. What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. And more complete? elaborate? what muscles does Phil have that Flex doesn't?

Neither have the best structure, Phil looks like 6 pounds of sugar stuffed in a 5 pound bag. Flex is better proportioned in my opinion. Flex would simply collect more poses and speaking of that , Flex knows how to pose and present his physique. Phil throws up shots and makes stupid faces 

[NarcissisticDeity]

that's my point, it's just more proof phil woud've beat him in 2002 as i said

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Kevin beat him in 2002 although they gave the contest to Ronnie. Kevin won the entire prejudging and that was the meat & potatoes of the contest and the nightshow was for the fans. Maybe Phil would beat Ronnie 2002 , Ronnie was that bad. but Kevin wasn't that spectacular either. but a prime Ronnie, Phil isn't touching him , no way , no how.

[illuminati]

Kevin beat him in 2002 although they gave the contest to Ronnie. Kevin won the entire prejudging and that was the meat & potatoes of the contest and the nightshow was for the fans. Maybe Phil would beat Ronnie 2002 , Ronnie was that bad. but Kevin wasn't that spectacular either. but a prime Ronnie, Phil isn't touching him , no way , no how.

That's a real tough blow for Kevin - I had him in 1st in that show.
Phil at his Best in the 1st 3 Olympia's looked great - As for Him
Beating Ronnie at his Best That I Doubt & Certainly Not Beating
Dorian at His Best or an 09 Jay. 

[Sharma]

Disgusting Dorian ruined the sport. He was the GH and insulin monster who made the giant gut acceptable and could win Olympia’s with no arms at all.

[Humble Narcissist]

Disgusting Dorian ruined the sport. He was the GH and insulin monster who made the giant gut acceptable and could win Olympia’s with no arms at all.

I would expect that opinion from someone with your avatar.

[illuminati]

Disgusting Dorian ruined the sport. He was the GH and insulin monster who made the giant gut acceptable and could win Olympia’s with no arms at all.

Completely Wrong - Dorian Was a Competitor & The Judges Placed Him 1st
So No it wasn’t Dorian’s Doing - If You’re Looking to Blame anyone Blame the Judges.

[Sharma]

Completely Wrong - Dorian Was a Competitor & The Judges Placed Him 1st
So No it wasn’t Dorian’s Doing - If You’re Looking to Blame anyone Blame the Judges.

Yates and the judges colluded many times. Yates only actually win 3 Sandows fairly.

[Humble Narcissist]

Yates and the judges colluded many times. Yates only actually win 3 Sandows fairly.

And yet he has so much more than 3.

[illuminati]

Yates and the judges colluded many times. Yates only actually win 3 Sandows fairly.

Please - Have some Brains 
So Did Arnold / Haney /Ronnie/ Jay / Phil also Collude with their respective judging panels

[B R]

Please - Have some Brains 
So Did Arnold / Haney /Ronnie/ Jay / Phil also Collude with their respective judging panels

Colluded = Schmoe sessions