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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: BBSSchlemiel on September 30, 2021, 04:31:57 PM
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... if this is the direction.
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I really wonder what these new bodybuilders are on? Bet it's manufactured in China despite what ever is printed on the vial and packaging.
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Completely agree. That's disgusting.
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Bay no likey. :-X
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I really wonder what these new bodybuilders are on? Bet it's manufactured in China despite what ever is printed on the vial and packaging.
You wonder huh? Bodybuilders don't wonder.
What's wrong with China anyway? Tons of drug API's for legit drug companies come out of China. And the fentanyl made in China... fake too?
There most likely are no labels on Nick's gear. Who needs labels? You need a bag of hormone, a third party test, a few items to prcess it. That's it, no need for a label.
The good gurus have connects for quality raw hormone powders. The rest is easy. If you have connects to a compounding pharmacy they can put it together for you or you do it yourself. All you need is basically this:
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Why is he making that facial expression?
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Why is he making that facial expression?
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You wonder huh? Bodybuilders don't wonder.
What's wrong with China anyway? Tons of drug API's for legit drug companies come out of China. And the fentanyl made in China... fake too?
There most likely are no labels on Nick's gear. Who needs labels? You need a bag of hormone, a third party test, a few items to prcess it. That's it, no need for a label.
The good gurus have connects for quality raw hormone powders. The rest is easy. If you have connects to a compounding pharmacy they can put it together for you or you do it yourself. All you need is basically this:
Do you cook up meth in your spare time in a rusted out RV?
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That is how you know Nick is doing it right he is freaking out older bodybuilders who couldn't imagine his level of development. If Arnold says you have taken it too far you are Winning it's a freak show not a beauty pageant
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Do you cook up meth in your spare time in a rusted out RV?
There was a British Paki with $ 600 sandals ( :D), he was cooking his own staff too !.
Can't remember his GB name :-\
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Do you cook up meth in your spare time in a rusted out RV?
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That is how you know Nick is doing it right he is freaking out older bodybuilders who couldn't imagine his level of development. If Arnold says you have taken it too far you are Winning it's a freak show shit show not a beauty pageant
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IKEA meth production, it's gonna be bigger than ABBA !.
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Do you cook up meth in your spare time in a rusted out RV?
You can laugh all you want but if the API, active pharmaceutical ingredient, tests out as the right compound and is of acceptable purity, you end up with a pure product even with simple tools, as good as any pharmaceutical hormone. Sterility comes from heating the product and running through a Whatman filter which sterilizes it. Differences to pharma gear could come from UG labs using more benzyl alcohol to reduce the chance of the hormone crystallizing and coming out of solution (can happen with pharma gear too, read the pamphlets that come with Rx test) and to make it easier to get a higher dosage product going into solution easier. This can irritate injection sites. Some pharma gear might contain .9% BA whereas UG might be 2%. Otherwise the gear is good. The key of course is making sure you have quality raw material.
You seem to think the Chinese can't produce steroid hormones, they don't have the capacity. Is this logical to you? There is huge demand for hormones but the Chinese or Indians just can't do it?
Anyway, this is how it's done nowadays. You could always brew some up yourself and get levels tested. If someone does a gram of homebrew test and is tested at 5000ng/dl it's still fake because it's made in China?
Like I've said before, go view Pumping Iron. Then view an Olympia tape. The guys in PI look natural by today's standards. But guys today use fake hormones? If it's fake hormones then that's what I'd prefer. The gear in the 70s obviously sucked compared to today. I'm sarcastic of course. Guys today are bigger because they use more drugs. Real drugs.
This is what fake Chinese hormones do:
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You can laugh all you want but if the API, active pharmaceutical ingredient, tests out as the right compound and is of acceptable purity, you end up with a pure product even with simple tools, as good as any pharmaceutical hormone. Sterility comes from heating the product and running through a Whatman filter which sterilizes it. Differences to pharma gear could come from UG labs using more benzyl alcohol to reduce the chance of the hormone crystallizing and coming out of solution (can happen with pharma gear too, read the pamphlets that come with Rx test) and to make it easier to get a higher dosage product going into solution easier. This can irritate injection sites. Some pharma gear might contain .9% BA whereas UG might be 2%. Otherwise the gear is good. The key of course is making sure you have quality raw material.
You seem to think the Chinese can't produce steroid hormones, they don't have the capacity. Is this logical to you? There is huge demand for hormones but the Chinese or Indians just can't do it?
Anyway, this is how it's done nowadays. You could always brew some up yourself and get levels tested. If someone does a gram of homebrew test and is tested at 5000ng/dl it's still fake because it's made in China?
Like I've said before, go view Pumping Iron. Then view an Olympia tape. The guys in PI look natural by today's standards. But guys today use fake hormones? If it's fake hormones then that's what I'd prefer. The gear in the 70s obviously sucked compared to today. I'm sarcastic of course. Guys today are bigger because they use more drugs. Real drugs.
This is what fake Chinese hormones do:
That's good gear? That physique is proof of bad gear.
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... if this is the direction.
:'(
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Shopped. Here's the legit pic
(http://i.postimg.cc/xTKgpcfJ/Platz-Priest-Python.jpg)
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That's good gear? That physique is proof of bad gear.
Because why? He's too muscular? That is proof it's working like a dream. He could easily look like a 70s bb... by using 1/30th as much. Good gear makes you small but bad gear grows you to grotesque proportions, is that what you're saying? :D What happened to those explosive insane gains from one "real" Anadrol a day you talk about? I guess no one in PI ever used that stuff :D Fuck, give me the fake stuff.
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That's good gear? That physique is proof of bad gear.
If he took good gear he’ll be easily be at least 5X Mr Olympia
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Art Atwood, a man ahead of his time.
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It’s not like his physique is anything new, these zit covered abominations with muscle guts have been around for quite a while now. Bodybuilding can’t really die because it’s already a weird niche thing. The general public doesn’t care about it at all.
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... if this is the direction.
With that shirt does it mean he takes it “Raw” in the ass?
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Because why? He's too muscular? That is proof it's working like a dream. He could easily look like a 70s bb... by using 1/30th as much. Good gear makes you small but bad gear grows you to grotesque proportions, is that what you're saying? :D What happened to those explosive insane gains from one "real" Anadrol a day you talk about? I guess no one in PI ever used that stuff :D Fuck, give me the fake stuff.
Oldtimer seems to have a lot of cognitive dissonance on the subject of PEDs.
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You look good, Walter!
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Shopped. Here's the legit pic
(http://i.postimg.cc/xTKgpcfJ/Platz-Priest-Python.jpg)
Taffy funny!
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Speaking of 70’s bodybuilders... I think that Arnold and Franco had bigger pecs than Walker.
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Bodybuilding will never die. There will always be a market for bigger and freakier physiques. The freak shows of 100 years ago have been replaced.
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Bodybuilding will never die. There will always be a market for bigger and freakier physiques. The freak shows of 100 years ago have been replaced.
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At least Platz has some teeth 😃
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It essentially is dead. I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen a huge bodybuilder walking down the street.
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Bay no likey. :-X
If Bay no likey, who will?
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Bodybuilding will never die. There will always be a smaller and smaller market for bigger and freakier physiques. The freak shows of 100 years ago have been replaced.
Fixed ;D
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Fixed ;D
Sure, but the market has always been tiny.
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Bodybuilding will never die. There will always be a market for bigger and freakier physiques. The freak shows of 100 years ago have been replaced.
it may grow now that there's less men hiding in the closet like they were in the golden age
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it may grow now that there's less men hiding in the closet like they were in the golden age
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"But Choe... I don' vaant to git into der closet vit'choo"
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"But Choe... I don' vaant to git into der closet vit'choo"
Man- Arnold's legs look skinny in that pic
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Man- Arnold's legs look skinny in that pic
It's not Arnie's legs that Joe is focusing intently upon... ;) ;D
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Why would you want bodybuilding to grow though? The attraction, to me, was always that it was pretty exclusive, big bodybuilders weren't something you saw everywhere. A small club = cooler :D
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Why would you want bodybuilding to grow though? The attraction, to me, was always that it was pretty exclusive, big bodybuilders weren't something you saw everywhere. A small club = cooler :D
Many insecure people need/want the feeling of validation that comes from doing something that is perceived as popular or growing. If they are doing something that they themselves feel is a fringe or invalid activity that harms their self esteem. Remember the member who had a Ronnie Coleman poster hanging in his bedroom. He admired the poster for some time but when his friends came over and saw it they called him a fag for having that on the wall and he “had to take Ronnie down.” ::)
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Man- Arnold's legs look skinny in that pic
They remind me of Bhanky's legs. :)
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Why would you want bodybuilding to grow though? The attraction, to me, was always that it was pretty exclusive, big bodybuilders weren't something you saw everywhere. A small club = cooler :D
These really big overblown bodybuilders are scarce in Portland. I workout at a variety of gyms and rarely ever see anyone who is supersized.
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They remind me of Bhanky's legs. :)
haha- maybe not THAT skinny
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They remind me of Bhanky's legs. :)
Meltdown to ensue
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Man- Arnold's legs look skinny in that pic
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=674929.0;attach=1329390;image)
His lats are insane.
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You wonder huh? Bodybuilders don't wonder.
What's wrong with China anyway? Tons of drug API's for legit drug companies come out of China. And the fentanyl made in China... fake too?
There most likely are no labels on Nick's gear. Who needs labels? You need a bag of hormone, a third party test, a few items to prcess it. That's it, no need for a label.
The good gurus have connects for quality raw hormone powders. The rest is easy. If you have connects to a compounding pharmacy they can put it together for you or you do it yourself. All you need is basically this:
Excellent post. Agree 100%. Plus the rules and regulations in manufacturing these APIs are not strict and are not exclusive to just one company. I’ve seen more China raws test out better purity than most of the “pharm grade” stuff from Mexico.
Turning raws into finished oils is not rocket science. Do you remember when tbombz made up his own concoction of Tren A from Tren cattle pellets when gh15 first opened his board? I remember it still having some filler in it and luckily he took advice and kept re-filtering it. He made some gains while on it as well.
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They made a division for all you old timers who are stuck in the past and want to tell everyone how much better things were in our day. Go watch Classic. The dudes look insane with tiny waists but they actually have legs. They destroy the 70's bodybuilders. Open is about the biggest most muscular freaks.
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His lats are insane.
x2, I thought it was a poster of some other bodybuilder at first
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They made a division for all you old timers who are stuck in the past and want to tell everyone how much better things were in our day. Go watch Classic. The dudes look insane with tiny waists but they actually have legs. They destroy the 70's bodybuilders. Open is about the biggest most muscular freaks.
Yes!! Agree, the open is for all guys that are barely 5’6 to 5’7
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Excellent post. Agree 100%. Plus the rules and regulations in manufacturing these APIs are not strict and are not exclusive to just one company. I’ve seen more China raws test out better purity than most of the “pharm grade” stuff from Mexico.
Turning raws into finished oils is not rocket science. Do you remember when tbombz made up his own concoction of Tren A from Tren cattle pellets when gh15 first opened his board? I remember it still having some filler in it and luckily he took advice and kept re-filtering it. He made some gains while on it as well.
I remember him pushing too hard on the filter and it breakingopen, spilling all the filtered particulate matter into his filtered tren. He was left with an opaque amber solution--which of course he promptly injected
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Man- Arnold's legs look skinny in that pic
Actually Arnold’s legs are the right size. Traditional bodybuilding/physical culture dictated that your arms, calves and neck should all be the same circumference and that your chest measurement should be the equal of both thighs being measured and added together. Arnold’s chest was 57 inches and each leg is 28 1/2 inches.
What many people have become used to seeing is fatass obese turds with the gut measuring 49 inches and a chest measuring 55 inches and legs measuring 35 inches with calves maybe 18 to 20 inches. These are muscularity obese slobs who deserve to die horrible deaths from overdosing they stayroids. ;D ;D
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Call me a old fashioned dinosaur but Jesus H Christ just too think the old timers from the 1940s-50s era thought that a 1967 Sergio olivas physique was “ugly”…..wonder what they’d think of the new standards in bodybuilding in the year 2021…..
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Bodybuilding already is dead. Nobody follows the sport other than bodybuilders trying to look like that, ex bodybuilders, and schmoes. I went to the Olympia a couple years ago, and the audience was made up almost entirely of mutant freak looking people with obvious mental illness.
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well only a retard or someone with mental issues would want to start following something knowing the competitors are taking grams of gear and subsequently die an early death in their 40's or even 30's or 20's as the case with Mccgarver and Sandoe.
Today, it truly is a "death cult" as that christian troll that posted here years ago used to say.
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Paris Olympics 2024 , no bodybuilding :-\, new sport is the BREAKING (break dance) !.
Start dancing boys :D
Surfing competition will be @ legendary Teahupo'o (Tahiti) , only 15 753 km from Paris 8)
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Paris Olympics 2024 , no bodybuilding :-\, new sport is the BREAKING (break dance) !.
Start dancing boys :D
Surfing competition will be @ legendary Teahupo'o (Tahiti) , only 15 753 km from Paris 8)
Basile says surfers are not into lifting weights as they would prefer the waves. Is this true? What about hour sessions at night?
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Basile says surfers are not into lifting weights as they would prefer the waves. Is this true? What about hour sessions at night?
He can meet boys @ North Bondi outdoor gym & lecture them about hyper..........something 8).
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They made a division for all you old timers who are stuck in the past and want to tell everyone how much better things were in our day. Go watch Classic. The dudes look insane with tiny waists but they actually have legs. They destroy the 70's bodybuilders. Open is about the biggest most muscular freaks.
I can see why everyone tries to say that bb is dead, etc. The classic physique competitors need to try and aim for competing and looking for those old Arnold, Mentzer, Zane, Paris, etc builds.
Let the mass monsters of today destroy the open series and see how truly big and freaky one can get. The more, the better. Also adds in that factor that there is no way that older bodybuilder gentlemen would have kept up in gym
The number 1 factor killing all bb-based sports competitions the lack of a star. You need starts to sell tickers, merchandise, and drive social media. Need to look at giving some simple strippers/porn stars a chance to compete in the female divisions. Hell, that would help drawl some people in and shed the look that every female competing actually can be sexy and not look like a male trying to transition to a female, etc.
They made a division for all you old timers who are stuck in the past and want to tell everyone much better things were in our day. Go watch Classic. The dudes look insane with tiny waists but they actually have legs. They destroy the 70's bodybuilders. Open is about the biggest most muscular freaks so quit complaining about it when you know what the division is meant for. Bodybuilding needs new faces and starts and that definitely starts with personality. Your main stars cannot have the personality of a rock. You may need to dip down into the wrestling world and have someone kayfabe being a loud, obnoxious dick who very well could be Olympic champion. Have you a good guy/babyface that always gets attacked but can easily pull out the win.
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I remember him pushing too hard on the filter and it breakingopen, spilling all the filtered particulate matter into his filtered tren. He was left with an opaque amber solution--which of course he promptly injected
That bitch did it for us lol. But it showed how easily it could be done. Tbombz def got into peptides and home brewing for a while there.
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Basile says surfers are not into lifting weights as they would prefer the waves. Is this true? What about hour sessions at night?
It is difficult to paddle out in big waves whitewash and rip current and duck dive when your shoulders and arms are already burned out from weight lifting
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It is difficult to paddle out in big waves whitewash and rip current and duck dive when your shoulders and arms are already burned out from weight lifting
Up the dose
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That bitch did it for us lol. But it showed how easily it could be done. Tbombz def got into peptides and home brewing for a while there.
Everyone says the pellet tren was most excellent. I wonder how the version with estrogen would be if not taking out the estrogen, it works great for nicely marbled beef :D
Tbombz is an extremist. He said he was doing 40iu of growth when he went into heart failure :o Not too many have gone as high.
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well only a retard or someone with mental issues would want to start following something knowing the competitors are taking grams of gear and subsequently die an early death in their 40's or even 30's or 20's as the case with Mccgarver and Sandoe.
Today, it truly is a "death cult" as that christian troll that posted here years ago used to say.
Are you saying most of us are mentally ill? :D
Even the haters here follow it on some level.
Everything really cool is dangerous. Extreme sports, boxing or other martial arts etc. Safer hobbies like stamp collecting or spelling bees aren't as exiting. :D
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Actually Arnold’s legs are the right size. Traditional bodybuilding/physical culture dictated that your arms, calves and neck should all be the same circumference and that your chest measurement should be the equal of both thighs being measured and added together. Arnold’s chest was 57 inches and each leg is 28 1/2 inches.
What many people have become used to seeing is fatass obese turds with the gut measuring 49 inches and a chest measuring 55 inches and legs measuring 35 inches with calves maybe 18 to 20 inches. These are muscularity obese slobs who deserve to die horrible deaths from overdosing they stayroids. ;D ;D
What about Arnold vs Steve Reeves? Arnold was a freak in his day. Reeves didn't have that disgusting huge chest and retarded bicep peaks.
Or maybe Sean Connery from when he competed is even more ideal. No disgusting vascularity, no disgusting leanness. No stayroids and shrunken testicles needed.
Chicks laughed at Arnold's juiced body.
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Actually Arnold’s legs are the right size. Traditional bodybuilding/physical culture dictated that your arms, calves and neck should all be the same circumference and that your chest measurement should be the equal of both thighs being measured and added together. Arnold’s chest was 57 inches and each leg is 28 1/2 inches.
What many people have become used to seeing is fatass obese turds with the gut measuring 49 inches and a chest measuring 55 inches and legs measuring 35 inches with calves maybe 18 to 20 inches. These are muscularity obese slobs who deserve to die horrible deaths from overdosing they stayroids. ;D ;D
If you are describing 1973 Arnold, I would agree. But his legs shrunk later on. I believe he claimed an injury from lifting later kept him from hitting his legs hard. Pic below is 1973
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What about Arnold vs Steve Reeves? Arnold was a freak in his day. Reeves didn't have that disgusting huge chest and retarded bicep peaks.
Or maybe Sean Connery from when he competed is even more ideal. No disgusting vascularity, no disgusting leanness. No stayroids and shrunken testicles needed.
Chicks laughed at Arnold's juiced body.
Reeves is the finest example of a true non drugged bodybuilder/physical culture devotee. Arnold is the best druggie ever.. Reeves chest and (both) leg measurements were equal in size as were his arms, neck and calves.
What we have today has long exceeded the point of diminishing returns. These are men and women playing at being "super heroes". Morons trapped in a Matrix of of their own creation. Many are just plain stupid and lazy, others truly do have "bigorexia" and will one day die of their congenital stupidity. Without the drugs they would be nothing. With them, they are bigger, nothing more. Warhol was kinda right.
It is hard to train without those little helpers and given that these twatlettes all more than exceed the Minimum Effective Dose simply cements the truth that they are nothing but drugs. And more drugs. Drugs didn't make them stupid, that is congenital. It just makes them bigger, stronger and more annoying. ;D
Some people don't care for the reality of truth. Fuck 'em. I have known a lot of people that have taken steroids, it does not exclude them from friendship. Being a smug drug bug (could NOT resist!) does. "Natural"? About as natural as eating shit. O'Hearn reminds me of a dung beetle. ;D ;D
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Reeves is the finest example of a true non drugged bodybuilder/physical culture devotee. Arnold is the best druggie ever.. Reeves chest and (both) leg measurements were equal in size as were his arms, neck and calves.
What we have today has long exceeded the point of diminishing returns. These are men and women playing at being "super heroes". Morons trapped in a Matrix of of their own creation. Many are just plain stupid and lazy, others truly do have "bigorexia" and will one day die of their congenital stupidity. Without the drugs they would be nothing. With them, they are bigger, nothing more. Warhol was kinda right.
It is hard to train without those little helpers and given that these twatlettes all more than exceed the Minimum Effective Dose simply cements the truth that they are nothing but drugs. And more drugs. Drugs didn't make them stupid, that is congenital. It just makes them bigger, stronger and more annoying. ;D
Some people don't care for the reality of truth. Fuck 'em. I have known a lot of people that have taken steroids, it does not exclude them from friendship. Being a smug drug bug (could NOT resist!) does. "Natural"? About as natural as eating shit. O'Hearn reminds me of a dung beetle. ;D ;D
Unlike conniving Schwarzenegger who found bodybuilding and stardom, bodybuilding and stardom found Reeves.
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Reeves was not “natural” testosterone was being marketed and sold to bodybuilders as early as 1937 a decade before Reeves competed
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talking about Steve Reeves
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Reeves was not “natural” testosterone was being marketed and sold to bodybuilders as early as 1937 a decade before Reeves competed
That 1937 date- where did you get it? Hopefully not Wikipedia, lol.
The best reference I can find about the widespread use of synthetic testosterone is here:
https://www.academia.edu/31712265/The_history_of_synthetic_testosterone (https://www.academia.edu/31712265/The_history_of_synthetic_testosterone)
It doesn't look like any widespread use occurred until into the 40's.
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That 1937 date- where did you get it? Hopefully not Wikipedia, lol.
The best reference I can find about the widespread use of synthetic testosterone is here:
https://www.academia.edu/31712265/The_history_of_synthetic_testosterone (https://www.academia.edu/31712265/The_history_of_synthetic_testosterone)
It doesn't look like any widespread use occurred until into the 40's.
We'll never know if Reeves was truly natty. Grimek stated Reeves gained muscle incredibly fast over a few weeks when he trained at York. Interesting.
Reg Park certainly wasn't into the 1950s. In the 1940s he looked natty.
Test propionate was synthesized in 1936 and made available for medical use in 1937. People still use test today although not usually test prop.
An oral anabolic steroid pill called Methyltestosterone (Testred, Android) was developed in 1935 and available for medical use in 1936.
These were used for hypogonadal men/children and also burn victims and military casualties just like TRT is used today.
They were known to increase muscle mass and rebuild tissue which is why they were used for burn victims and injured soldiers.
And everyone thinks it all started with D-bol. D-bol just brought it to the masses.
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We'll never know if Reeves was truly natty. Grimek stated Reeves gained muscle incredibly fast over a few weeks when he trained at York. Interesting.
Reg Park certainly wasn't into the 1950s. In the 1940s he looked natty.
Test propionate was synthesized in 1936 and made available for medical use in 1937. People still use test today although not usually test prop.
An oral anabolic steroid pill called Methyltestosterone (Testred, Android) was developed in 1935 and available for medical use in 1936.
These were used for hypogonadal men/children and also burn victims and military casualties just like TRT is used today.
They were known to increase muscle mass and rebuild tissue which is why they were used for burn victims and injured soldiers.
And everyone thinks it all started with D-bol. D-bol just brought it to the masses.
D-bol was the first used by lifters and bodybuilders. Is there any evidence of any bodybuilder using Testred in the 30's?
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We'll never know if Reeves was truly natty. Grimek stated Reeves gained muscle incredibly fast over a few weeks when he trained at York.
Reg Park certainly wasn't into the 1950s.
Test propionate was synthesized in 1936 and made available for medical use in 1937.
An oral anabolic steroid pill called Methyltestosterone (Testred, Android) was developed in 1935 and available for medical use in 1936.
These were used for hypogonadal men/children and also burn victims and military casualties just like TRT is used today.
They were known to increase muscle mass and rebuild tissue which is why they were used for burn victims and injured soldiers.
And everyone thinks it all started with D-bol. D-bol just brought it to the masses.
That's all well and good but to extrapolate the date of first synthesis of a drug to getting it into the hands of some muscleheads on the west coast in 1937 is pure fiction.
I downloaded Paul De Kruif's book, "the Male Hormone" which was published in 1945. He describes in intimate detail the first synthesis of testosterone, first studies on its use, and the long time line it took the world to find out about it. After all, these events took place during the buildup and execution of WWII. In the early 40's most doctors knew nothing about using testosterone therapeutically -it was just too new.
The very first publication about the synthesis of testosterone wasn't until late August 1937, but it was available for medical use?
By the way, De Kruif states that methyltestosterone wasn't on the market in 1938.
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This is a BB champion in 2021. How the fuck is this physique celebrated?
Well and truly dead
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Reeves was not “natural” testosterone was being marketed and sold to bodybuilders as early as 1937 a decade before Reeves competed
You truly are impossible to underestimate, bhanky.
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That's all well and good but to extrapolate the date of first synthesis of a drug to getting it into the hands of some muscleheads on the west coast in 1937 is pure fiction.
I downloaded Paul De Kruif's book, "the Male Hormone" which was published in 1945. He describes in intimate detail the first synthesis of testosterone, first studies on its use, and the long time line it took the world to find out about it. After all, these events took place during the buildup and execution of WWII. In the early 40's most doctors knew nothing about using testosterone therapeutically -it was just too new.
The very first publication about the synthesis of testosterone wasn't until late August 1937, but it was available for medical use?
By the way, De Kruif states that methyltestosterone wasn't on the market in 1938.
Well, we'll never know if Reeves used test or methyltestosterone but certainly they were available in his competitive years late 40s and early 50s and others during his movie years in the late 50s and early 60s.
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talking about Steve Reeves
I believe Reeves did not take chemicals. You can see photos of him at 15 years old and he had it then. He was blessed - deal with it!
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Arnold is not happy with those veins
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That 1937 date- where did you get it? Hopefully not Wikipedia, lol.
The best reference I can find about the widespread use of synthetic testosterone is here:
https://www.academia.edu/31712265/The_history_of_synthetic_testosterone (https://www.academia.edu/31712265/The_history_of_synthetic_testosterone)
It doesn't look like any widespread use occurred until into the 40's.
It is my understanding that steroids didn't become available to bodybuilders until 1957-1958, so anything prior 1957 was natty
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Actually Arnold’s legs are the right size. Traditional bodybuilding/physical culture dictated that your arms, calves and neck should all be the same circumference and that your chest measurement should be the equal of both thighs being measured and added together. Arnold’s chest was 57 inches and each leg is 28 1/2 inches.
What many people have become used to seeing is fatass obese turds with the gut measuring 49 inches and a chest measuring 55 inches and legs measuring 35 inches with calves maybe 18 to 20 inches. These are muscularity obese slobs who deserve to die horrible deaths from overdosing they stayroids. ;D ;D
Bro...
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Everyone says the pellet tren was most excellent. I wonder how the version with estrogen would be if not taking out the estrogen, it works great for nicely marbled beef :D
I remember when Synovex (I forget the letter) cattle implants were starting to get noticed in the late 90's, and Kneller, PA, Bill Roberts, Duchaine, and a few other were trying to figure out an easy way to explain how to remove the the estrogenic components from the various series. Most of them surmised that it would be too complicated for the average person, and some even suggested similar to what you wrote above.
The thought was just run a shit ton of it in the bulking years, then get the gyno cut out when competition rang.
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Also just because I found it funny, here's DDuchaine getting snippy with Kneller and PA over how to use any of the cattle pellets :/ ;D -
"So fancy-schmansy. Just take the damn pellets, grind them find with a mortal and pestle, get some vet injectable oil vitamins (Jeffers Vet
Supply 800-533-3377) and dump the powder into the oil by popping the top off and inject the mixture. Make sure that you shake the suspension well.
Bruce is one of those armchair experts that needlessly worry aboutpotential sterile, infection, blah-blah-blah. Tony Fitton and I both did
the same thing 12 years ago with Ralgro (Zeranol) and nobody got sick. Look it this way: many current steroid users have injected even less sterile counterfeits into their bodies with no ill effect.
*Zeranol - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeranol .
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Pat Arnold on Ralgro -
There is no great mystery about Ralgro (amongst animal scientists at least). It is an anabolic estrogen, a class of compounds (which also includes DES, and steroidal estrogens as well) assumed to manifest their anabolic actions primarily thru stimulation of GH output. Large amounts of estrogenic compounds are markedly anabolic, but due to obvious undesirable side effects are not suitable for human anabolic enhancement.
Small amounts of estrogens are good potentiators of the growth promoting actions of androgens, but the unacceptable risks of inducing negative reactions like gynecomastia make thier usage in this regard not an accepted practice.
For animals a good growth promoting stack might be androgen/progestogen/estrogen (10:10:1 ratio) maybe testosterone propionate/hydroxyprogesterone caproate/estradiol benzoate.
It would work great on humans too, but you would probably be setting yourself up for some nasty side effects (though I am sure their are few that would still find the risk/benefit acceptable)
PA
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Ralgro in real life seems to be mixed, running toward negative in real life human usage.
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Why would you want bodybuilding to grow though? The attraction, to me, was always that it was pretty exclusive, big bodybuilders weren't something you saw everywhere. A small club = cooler :D
Exactly, I don't get this whole obsession with trying to make it mainstream. Having said that, I do miss ESPN coverage of bodybuilding and the Flex magazine workout show
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With that shirt does it mean he takes it “Raw” in the ass?
Bro...
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It is my understanding that steroids didn't become available to bodybuilders until 1957-1958, so anything prior 1957 was natty
It can be confusing! Testosterone IS a steroid- which is defined as a biologically active molecule with 4 carbon "rings". But it was very hard to get enough natural testosterone from animals and it wasn't until the late 30's that a synthetic, bio identical version was first created. This allowed widespread use to begin. However there are a lot of negative effects of additional testosterone and this caused a bit of hesitancy in clinical use. There was feared a direct link between prostate cancer and testosterone, for example. Controlled human experiments were beginning in the early 40's, on a fairly small scale. By 1945 things started picking up.
It is highly doubtful any bodybuilder was using exogenous testosterone on any major scale until after ~1945. People seem to forget that all this chemistry was pioneered by the Germans and there happened to be a war going on from 1939 to 1945. It was hard enough to get food in the US, let alone specialized drugs.
Fast forward to the 1950's where many derivatives of natural testosterone were made available. These are chemically modified forms of testosterone that exhibited more of the anabolic effects with less of the androgenic or masculinizing effects. It is these substances that we associate with the boom in strength and bodybuilding use. Dianabol, brought to market in 1956, is one of the earliest ones but there are many others with pros and cons in their use.
It s safe to say that from 1956 on, anabolic steroids were becoming a fact of life in strength and muscle building sports. Natty became a distant memory.
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That 1937 date- where did you get it? Hopefully not Wikipedia, lol.
The best reference I can find about the widespread use of synthetic testosterone is here:
https://www.academia.edu/31712265/The_history_of_synthetic_testosterone (https://www.academia.edu/31712265/The_history_of_synthetic_testosterone)
It doesn't look like any widespread use occurred until into the 40's.
Do more research it was already being marketed specifically to bodybuilders in 1937
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I believe Reeves did not take chemicals. You can see photos of him at 15 years old and he had it then. He was blessed - deal with it!
You belief doesn't change the facts he was a user
Testosterone propionate is mentioned in a letter to the editor of Strength and Health magazine in 1938. This is the earliest known reference to an anabolic steroid in a U.S. weightlifting or bodybuilding magazine. Steve Reeves won his first major bodybuilding contest, Mr. America, at the age of 21 in 1947
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It is my understanding that steroids didn't become available to bodybuilders until 1957-1958, so anything prior 1957 was natty
Well you are wrong and off by 60 years
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5314753
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That's all well and good but to extrapolate the date of first synthesis of a drug to getting it into the hands of some muscleheads on the west coast in 1937 is pure fiction.
I downloaded Paul De Kruif's book, "the Male Hormone" which was published in 1945. He describes in intimate detail the first synthesis of testosterone, first studies on its use, and the long time line it took the world to find out about it. After all, these events took place during the buildup and execution of WWII. In the early 40's most doctors knew nothing about using testosterone therapeutically -it was just too new.
The very first publication about the synthesis of testosterone wasn't until late August 1937, but it was available for medical use?
By the way, De Kruif states that methyltestosterone wasn't on the market in 1938.
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5314753
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Also just because I found it funny, here's DDuchaine getting snippy with Kneller and PA over how to use any of the cattle pellets :/ ;D -
"So fancy-schmansy. Just take the damn pellets, grind them find with a mortal and pestle, get some vet injectable oil vitamins (Jeffers Vet
Supply 800-533-3377) and dump the powder into the oil by popping the top off and inject the mixture. Make sure that you shake the suspension well.
Bruce is one of those armchair experts that needlessly worry aboutpotential sterile, infection, blah-blah-blah. Tony Fitton and I both did
the same thing 12 years ago with Ralgro (Zeranol) and nobody got sick. Look it this way: many current steroid users have injected even less sterile counterfeits into their bodies with no ill effect.
*Zeranol - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeranol .
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For animals a good growth promoting stack might be androgen/progestogen/estrogen (10:10:1 ratio)
Thanks, you always find interesting stuff. Seems like Duchaine didn't even run it through a syringle filter at first . Just shake it up lol.
Doing some pure progesterone has become popular in bodybuilding/wellness circles. You take a female progesterone cream and put it on your balls. Supposedly increases sex drive, gives harder erections and imparts a sense of calm and wellbeing. Haven't tried it yet :D
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Thanks, you always find interesting stuff. Seems like Duchaine didn't even run it through a syringle filter at first . Just shake it up lol.
Doing some pure progesterone has become popular in bodybuilding/wellness circles. You take a female progesterone cream and put it on your balls. Supposedly increases sex drive, gives harder erections and imparts a sense of calm and wellbeing. Haven't tried it yet :D
Finaplex was just Tren no estrogen pellets you did need to use a syringe filter and you would have to reheat on occasion it was not always painless as concentration would often vary but you knew it was legit
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Exactly, I don't get this whole obsession with trying to make it mainstream. Having said that, I do miss ESPN coverage of bodybuilding and the Flex magazine workout show
Same. That was a cool era. I have to say also the supplements back then I preferred to what is on the market now. EAS and Metrx MRPs and Ultimate Orange.
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Well you are wrong and off by 60 years
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5314753
Bullshit! Bodybuilders and lifters didn't start using until the late 50's and it's clear as day with the physique and performance gains at that time. No bodybuilder or lifter was using anything in the 20's 30's or 40's. This is simply a way of diminishing natty accomplishments.
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Bullshit! Bodybuilders and lifters didn't start using until the late 50's and it's clear as day with the physique and performance gains at that time. No bodybuilder or lifter was using anything in the 20's 30's or 40's. This is simply a way of diminishing natty accomplishments.
Bhanky...man know.
There is definitely a good chance some top bodybuilders in the know were using Test in the late 40s onwards.
Before then? Unlikely.
Use definitely preceded D-bol.
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Bhanky...man know.
There is definitely a good chance some top bodybuilders in the know were using Test in the late 40s onwards.
Before then? Unlikely.
Use definitely preceded D-bol.
I tend to agree, although John Grimek was asking about Methyltest as early as 1943, according to York Barbell historian John Fair.
Peary Rader of Ironman mentioned hearing about steroids right after WWII from orderlies that were working in hospitals dealing with the wounded.
After the war, through about late 1950 when the FDA stepped in, Methyltest 10mg tablets were sold over the counter -
https://books.google.com/books?id=fiYDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA258&dq=methyl+testosterone&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwicy7zo6K7zAhUcEFkFHSD2Ab44ChDoAXoECAIQAg#v=onepage&q=methyl%20testosterone&f=false .
https://books.google.com/books?id=7iwDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA65&dq=methyl+testosterone+sex&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiPys786K7zAhWsFlkFHUMKAJMQ6AF6BAgIEAI#v=onepage&q=methyl%20testosterone%20sex&f=false .
Could've certainly attracted the curious.
That De Kruief changed the game, there were articles like "Hormones for He Men" in Newsweek, and "Can Man's Prime be Prolonged?" in Reader's Digest. Business Week covered the "testosterone race" in 1946.
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Also, while Ziegler is generally associated with Dianabol, he was hooking the York guys up with Testosterone and Syndrox ( an early methamphetamine ) from about 1954 - . The amphetamine one is interesting, from many accounts it really wrecked some of those guys.
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/fa/a9/ec/faa9ec0ceeeeff20ae1704190683feea--methamphetamine-pharmacy.jpg).
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Fascinating.^
Thanks for posting.
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You belief doesn't change the facts he was a user
Testosterone propionate is mentioned in a letter to the editor of Strength and Health magazine in 1938. This is the earliest known reference to an anabolic steroid in a U.S. weightlifting or bodybuilding magazine. Steve Reeves won his first major bodybuilding contest, Mr. America, at the age of 21 in 1947
I don't think you know much of anything.
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Bodybuilding already is dead. Nobody follows the sport other than bodybuilders trying to look like that, ex bodybuilders, and schmoes. I went to the Olympia a couple years ago, and the audience was made up almost entirely of mutant freak looking people with obvious mental illness.
and what was your ailment?
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and what was your ailment?
One would suppose it was a momentary lapse of sound judgement as regards today's "bodybuilding". IOW, he went to a contest.
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Fascinating.^
Thanks for posting.
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Fascinating.^
Thanks for posting.
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(https://images.slideplayer.com/15/4612270/slides/slide_93.jpg).
Bill Starr talking about starting his time at York (would be 1966, from his 1981 book "Defying Gravity") -
"The late sixties saw an explosion of the drug culture across the nation, and the influx of all types of pharmaceuticals into the sport of weightlifting closely coincided with the national trend. The use of drugs in weightlifting became a Pandora's box. Once it was opened, there was no stopping the rampant use.
Step one was usually the steroids. Next the lifters became acquainted with amphetamines to increase performance on platform, barbiturates to insure adequate rest before a contest, muscle relaxants following a hard workout or contest. This often gravitated to the "recreational drugs": marijuana, acid, THC, mescaline, and on and on through the PDR and even a few not listed. Doctor Zeigler was the first medical person in the country to publically condemn this drug overdosing. But it was too late. Once a lifter had used steroids to get stronger and uppers to lift better, there was little chance of turning back.
Overdosing became the order of the day. If 20 mgs. of D-bol a day put 5% on a total, then wouldn't 50 or 100 mgs. produce 10 or 15% gains? Such was the logic. Instead of one upper for a meet, an unsure athlete would drop three, or four, or would you believe 30?"
"Goon Juice - The uppers were abused most often, or at least the overdosing was the most visible. In 1966, there was a liquid form of amphetamine available called syndrox. It was nicknamed "Goon juice" and aptly so. The recommended dosage was one capful of the fluid (which tasted much like cough medicine). This was the equivalent of 20-30 mgs. of amphetamines and that's a lot of cups of coffee. No one ever settled for one capful, however. After 45 minutes to an hour the initial rush had worn off and the lifter would feel a let-down. Back to the bottle for more juice.
Another hour, another letdown (relatively speaking of course), another hit and it was off to Loo-Loo Land. Lifters would stalk the warm-up area shouting, cursing, screaming. Some would appear deranged, their pupils the size of quarters, their mouths so dry they couldn't spit on a bet. Some formerly mild-mannered types would Jekyll-and-Hyde-out and become complete, raving idiots both on and off platform. Super Circus. Some lifters stayed awake for days following a contest. My first introduction to goon juice was a nightmare. I used it at the Philly Open in 1967, my first big Eastern competition. I lifted better than I had ever done, placing second behind Frank Capsouras. I was very pleased with myself until I got half way back to York. While sitting in the back seat I began cramping. These were not everyday, garden variety-type cramps as I usually experienced, but severe ones that took my breath away. Not only did every major muscle group lock up, such as my lumbars, quads, and traps, but every minor group got in the act. My abs, fingers, toes, behind my ears, even small muscles in my face began to cramp. I stayed in a painful sweat for over an hour. I had shot my potassium level all to hell and threw my electrolyte balance out of wack. I had put my body in an extremely dangerous position. I wasn't too far from having my heart muscle cramp, and that would have been bye-bye Billy.
What really amazes me when I look back at some of the severe drug abuse by so many top lifters in those days is that someone did
not get killed. I can say that some gave it their best shot."
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Bhanky...man know.
There is definitely a good chance some top bodybuilders in the know were using Test in the late 40s onwards.
Before then? Unlikely.
Use definitely preceded D-bol.
Weren't steroids developed circa 1945 to help World War prisioners to regain the weight lost due to malnourishment?
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Why would you want bodybuilding to grow though? The attraction, to me, was always that it was pretty exclusive, big bodybuilders weren't something you saw everywhere. A small club = cooler :D
A small club is cooler when most people (average Joe) wants to be in it . :'(
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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So everyone is just going to ignore testosterone elixirs being used in the late 1800s got it
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Weren't steroids developed circa 1945 to help World War prisioners to regain the weight lost due to malnourishment?
According Hitler's doctor's notes, Dr Morell, he was giving Hitler Schering Testosterone Enanthate. However, and I haven't researched this, the question is whether these "notes" were post-war forgeries by Jews, Germans, Americans, whoever, for propaganda purposes. I mean they did a posthumous psychological profile on Hitler claiming he had lots of perversions such scat games. Based on what I don't know.
But according to these notes Hitler was on steroids and a fuckton of various narcotics, amphetamine injections etc. Could be true I guess. I mean I think it has been verified John F Kennedy was on a bunch of anabolics along with the same types of narcotics. Now they claim Biden is on Adderall, otherwise he would just be napping. Who knows... :D
"Goon Juice - The uppers were abused most often, or at least the overdosing was the most visible. In 1966, there was a liquid form of amphetamine available called syndrox. It was nicknamed "Goon juice" and aptly so. The recommended dosage was one capful of the fluid (which tasted much like cough medicine). This was the equivalent of 20-30 mgs. of amphetamines and that's a lot of cups of coffee. No one ever settled for one capful, however. After 45 minutes to an hour the initial rush had worn off and the lifter would feel a let-down. Back to the bottle for more juice.
Another hour, another letdown (relatively speaking of course), another hit and it was off to Loo-Loo Land. Lifters would stalk the warm-up area shouting, cursing, screaming. Some would appear deranged, their pupils the size of quarters, their mouths so dry they couldn't spit on a bet. Some formerly mild-mannered types would Jekyll-and-Hyde-out and become complete, raving idiots both on and off platform. Super Circus. Some lifters stayed awake for days following a contest. My first introduction to goon juice was a nightmare. I used it at the Philly Open in 1967, my first big Eastern competition. I lifted better than I had ever done, placing second behind Frank Capsouras. I was very pleased with myself until I got half way back to York. While sitting in the back seat I began cramping. These were not everyday, garden variety-type cramps as I usually experienced, but severe ones that took my breath away. Not only did every major muscle group lock up, such as my lumbars, quads, and traps, but every minor group got in the act. My abs, fingers, toes, behind my ears, even small muscles in my face began to cramp. I stayed in a painful sweat for over an hour. I had shot my potassium level all to hell and threw my electrolyte balance out of wack. I had put my body in an extremely dangerous position. I wasn't too far from having my heart muscle cramp, and that would have been bye-bye Billy.
What really amazes me when I look back at some of the severe drug abuse by so many top lifters in those days is that someone did
not get killed. I can say that some gave it their best shot."
Apmphetamines can be amazing for performance but they have to be timed just right. Overdone they will leave you weak in the knees. Maybe say 10mg, none of this hundreds of milligrams BS. Otherwise you might turn gay like Mentzer and want to fuck your training partner :D
There is vet "upper" used in south America by powerlifters. They are so stupid they think it's just some b-vitamin concoction. :D
So everyone is just going to ignore testosterone elixirs being used in the late 1800s got it
I remember at first they isolated a few milligrams of testosterone from tens of thousands of liters of human urine. They also tried implanting sheep testicles into humans. The question is when test was used in any meaninful dosages in athletes.
I remember they gave some little 5 year old negro boy testosterone. Problems was the kid developed an adult size penis and was bullying the other kids in kindergarten haha.
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Man has been isolating and using exogenous forms of testosterone for thousands of years. An injectable version was commercially available as early as 1889
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233405495_The_rejuvenation_of_testosterone_Philosopher's_stone_or_Brown-Sequard_Elixir
https://www.nytimes.com/1889/08/23/archives/doctors-who-disagree-the-brownsequard-elixir-divides-the-medical.html
https://www.historytoday.com/hormones-elixirs-and-eccentrics
https://joyofsox.blogspot.com/2009/02/baseball-peds-120-year-history.html
https://urinedrugtesthq.com/history-of-performance-enhancing-drugs/
The use of performance-enhancing drugs can be traced all the way back to ancient Greece and the first Olympic games (776 BC-393 BC). Olympic athletes competed for cash prices and olive wreaths, and the rules were much less strict back then. They ate sheep testicles in an attempt to increase testosterone levels
https://www.al.com/news/2015/07/hormone_therapy_it_all_started.html
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Presenting the results of this experiment on himself at a scientific conference a few months later, Brown-Sequard reported that he felt 10 years younger, strong and energetic, mentally sharp, and he now slept like a baby. Even though the year was 1889, you could say that news of this elixir went viral.
Within 6 months American doctors, not about to pass up an obvious commercial opportunity, had administered the Brown-Sequard (let's just call it B-S) elixir to more than 12,000 desperate men, including one 32 year-old Hall of Fame baseball pitcher - Jim "Pud" Galvin -- trying to hang on. Some things don't change."
In 1889 Pud Galvin became widely known for his use of Brown-Sequard Elixir, a testosterone supplement produced from testicles of live animals.
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So everyone is just going to ignore testosterone elixirs being used in the late 1800s got it
Anything to justify your drug use, lol. You take one or two data points and draw a Gaussian distribution. Confirmation bias at its worst.
And btw, lead can't be turned into gold.
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But according to these notes Hitler was on steroids and a fuckton of various narcotics, amphetamine injections etc. Could be true I guess. I mean I think it has been verified John F Kennedy was on a bunch of anabolics along with the same types of narcotics.
Kennedy received testosterone daily during his entire presidency. His daily dose of oral methyltestosterone started out as 10 mg, and on several occasions it was increased to 25 mg/d. The summary medication sheet for May 1962 indicates that his physicians began trying different testosterone preparations at that time (44). From 1 to 7 May, he received between 50 mg and 75 mg of testosterone aqueous suspension for 4 days, and from 10 to 28 May, he received either 5 mg or 10 mg of oral fluoxymesterone.
As noted earlier, APS 2 is associated with hypogonadism as a result of the development of steroid-cell autoantibodies that react with Leydig cells of the testes, as well as thecal cells of the ovary (30). Kennedy's requirement for testosterone can be ascribed to autoimmune hypergonadotropic hypogonadism as a result of APS 2. However, whereas the incidence of ovarian failure in women with APS 2 is 10%, progression to gonadal failure is very rare among men with Addison disease, even in the presence of high-risk steroidal cell autoantibodies (8). Kennedy fathered 4 children from 1956 to 1960 and hence was apparently not hypogonadal. Another diagnostic possibility to consider is autoimmune (or lymphocytic) hypophysitis, an autoimmune syndrome that results in a picture of panhypopituitarism. Since 1962, 460 cases have been described in the literature (45). This all leads to conjecture as to when Kennedy started testosterone therapy.
Given Kennedy's history, his long-term steroid therapy could have affected his testosterone levels. This is very likely the case, as the prevalence of low testosterone levels in glucocorticoid-treated men is high because of glucocorticoid-induced suppression of all components of the hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis. Typically, daily administration of more than 5 mg to 7.5 mg of prednisone or its equivalent increases the risk for gonadotropin and testosterone suppression and for alterations in muscle and bone mass (46). The medical records contain several notes indicating that Kennedy requested and received additional testosterone, such as on 12 July 1961, when Dr. Travell recorded, “methyl T 10 mg (by request)” (47).
In addition, Robert Dallek and his associate Dr. Jeffrey Kelman have stated that Kennedy was taking testosterone to keep his weight up (48). This, too, is highly likely. On the basis of available records, it cannot be determined exactly when Kennedy began testosterone therapy. Janet Travell recalls that Kennedy weighed 155 lb when she met him in May 1955 (49). Kennedy's White House medical records indicate that his daily weight was between 170 and 180 lb (24). There are possible clues as to when his testosterone therapy was initiated. One clue was provided by his lifelong friend Lem Billings, who stated that Kennedy's weight had surged during the 1960 presidential campaign: “If you look at pictures of him in July 1960 and then look at pictures of him taken in January of 1961, you'l find he was much heavier.” The total weight gain, Billings noted, was about 15 lb (50). In her autobiography, Travell included a photograph that she took of president-elect Kennedy on 15 November 1960. He is bare-chested and is leaping to catch a football. He appears to be trim, muscular, and well proportioned. This is confirmed by the observation of Rose Kennedy, who stated in a diary entry on 3 November 1960 that “Jack looks unusually well. His cheeks have filled out amazingly since I saw him in June. He has lost that lean Lincolnesque look which I secretly like better” (51).
In her autobiography, Travell described Kennedy the first time she met him: “In spite of his Florida suntan, I thought he appeared pale and anemic, and that indeed proved to be the case” (49). In her 1966 oral history, she embellished on this when asked by the interviewer if then-senator Kennedy had any other medical problems. “Well, of course when I first saw him he was extremely anemic. He was really anemic. He had impaired vibration sense which is indicative of peripheral neuritis … characteristic of a vitamin B1 deficiency.” She also stated, “Senator Kennedy was put on a course of vitamin B12, vitamin B1 and B-complex injections. His blood count—his hemoglobin and red cells—did respond” (52).
Taken from - https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/0003-4819-151-5-200909010-00011 .
Also noted -
Diphenoxylate hydrochloride ( Demerol like drug used for sedation and stomach claiming).
25 micrograms Cytomel 2x a day.
Kennedy's Amp cocktail -
Dr. Jacobson gave Kennedy his first treatment, an intramuscular injection of vitamin B-complex, A, E, D, B-12, plus 10 mg. of amphetamine to counter the fatigue brought on by his hectic campaign schedule and adrenal condition, as well as an intravenous injection of calcium and vitamin C. Kennedy responded that his muscle weakness had disappeared and he felt calm, cool and very alert.
( http://www.orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v14n21.shtml ).
Kennedy had a very Bhankesque existence for many years from various readings.
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Why would you want bodybuilding to grow though? The attraction, to me, was always that it was pretty exclusive, big bodybuilders weren't something you saw everywhere. A small club = cooler :D
smaller club=cool only applies when people want to do it but can't, most people just don't want to bb because it's laughable and stupid
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smaller club=cool only applies when people want to do it but can't, most people just don't want to bb because it's laughable and stupid
Most in the general public are also lazy, fat, weak, and completely useless. Think of the clintons, pelosi, bidens, and obamas. Those entire families of disgusting slugs are populated by fat, weak, slow, complaining, whiney, useless parasites who could not work a full day or contribute a damn thing to any situation. No damn kidding those fat nasty POS not into BB
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Anything to justify your drug use, lol. You take one or two data points and draw a Gaussian distribution. Confirmation bias at its worst.
And btw, lead can't be turned into gold.
It has nothing to do with justifying anything it has to do with facts exogenous testosterone injections have been around since 1889 and over 2000 men were treated with it in the late 1800s so yes absolutely strength athletes had access to these things long before the 1940s
Babe Ruth himself was using a sheep testicle derived testosterone injection as early as 1925
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It has nothing to do with justifying anything it has to do with facts exogenous testosterone injections have been around since 1889 and over 2000 men were treated with it in the late 1800s so yes absolutely strength athletes had access to these things long before the 1940s
Babe Ruth himself was using a sheep testicle derived testosterone injection as early as 1925
When you go off everything because you will have to, will you continue to train?
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When you go off everything because you will have to, will you continue to train?
I am not on anything now and haven't been for a couple weeks. Mr HRT Dr wanted more bloodwork and I declined. Despite having prominent vascularity they always mess up my veins when they take blood. I have been training since I was a child. I will always train. I am changing things up this next week though as I am leaving to go mountain biking for a week tomorrow. I have some weights at the resort but I will be taking it easy on lifting and eating so I have energy to ride. I will probably lose a few pounds but be leaner with more energy in a week.
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I am not on anything now and haven't been for a couple weeks. Mr HRT Dr wanted more bloodwork and I declined. I have been training since I was a child. I will always train. I am changing things up this next week though as I am leaving to go mountain biking for a week tomorrow. I have some weights at the resort but I will be taking it easy on lifting and eating so I have energy to ride. I will probably lose a few pounds but be leaner with more energy in a week.
My understanding is that once you start w TRT you have to be on it for life. Thats one of the reasons amongst others I dont do any of this stuff until and unless a doc says I need to.
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My understanding is that once you start w TRT you have to be on it for life. Thats one of the reasons amongst others I dont do any of this stuff until and unless a doc says I need to.
I am having tendonitis and gastro issues it is time for a little break from heavy lifting eating and supplementation. I also find I have more energy for exercise when I eat a little less. So I am going to take a week in the mountains riding a bike and let the body reset and rest. Once I get back I will reevaluate if I feel the need to do the bloodwork.
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I am having tendonitis and gastro issues it is time for a little break from heavy lifting eating and supplementation. I also find I have more energy for exercise when I eat a little less. So I am going to take a week in the mountains riding a bike and let the body reset and rest. Once I get back I will reevaluate if I feel the need to do the bloodwork.
Bloodwork is for mere mortals. True getbiggers die at least 3 times before accepting a transfusion.
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According Hitler's doctor's notes, Dr Morell, he was giving Hitler Schering Testosterone Enanthate. However, and I haven't researched this, the question is whether these "notes" were post-war forgeries by Jews, Germans, Americans, whoever, for propaganda purposes. I mean they did a posthumous psychological profile on Hitler claiming he had lots of perversions such scat games. Based on what I don't know.
But according to these notes Hitler was on steroids and a fuckton of various narcotics, amphetamine injections etc. Could be true I guess. I mean I think it has been verified John F Kennedy was on a bunch of anabolics along with the same types of narcotics. Now they claim Biden is on Adderall, otherwise he would just be napping. Who knows... :D
Apmphetamines can be amazing for performance but they have to be timed just right. Overdone they will leave you weak in the knees. Maybe say 10mg, none of this hundreds of milligrams BS. Otherwise you might turn gay like Mentzer and want to fuck your training partner :D
There is vet "upper" used in south America by powerlifters. They are so stupid they think it's just some b-vitamin concoction. :D
I remember at first they isolated a few milligrams of testosterone from tens of thousands of liters of human urine. They also tried implanting sheep testicles into humans. The question is when test was used in any meaninful dosages in athletes.
I remember they gave some little 5 year old negro boy testosterone. Problems was the kid developed an adult size penis and was bullying the other kids in kindergarten haha.
Test propionate - 1936
Test cypionate -1951
Test enanthate - 1952-1954
Test undecanoate - 1970s
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Test propionate - 1936
Test cypionate -1951
Test enanthate - 1952-1954
Test undecanoate - 1970s
Injectable Testosterone derived from animals and used by professional athletes 1889
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Most in the general public are also lazy, fat, weak, and completely useless. Think of the clintons, pelosi, bidens, and obamas. Those entire families of disgusting slugs are populated by fat, weak, slow, complaining, whiney, useless parasites who could not work a full day or contribute a damn thing to any situation. No damn kidding those fat nasty POS not into BB
Don`t hold back now,tell us how you really feel. LOL ;D
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Don`t hold back now,tell us how you really feel. LOL ;D
I was holding back. I detest these lazy liberal parasites in society :D ;)
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Most in the general public are also lazy, fat, weak, and completely useless. Think of the clintons, pelosi, bidens, and obamas. Those entire families of disgusting slugs are populated by fat, weak, slow, complaining, whiney, useless parasites who could not work a full day or contribute a damn thing to any situation. No damn kidding those fat nasty POS not into BB
Obama isn’t really fat
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Obama isn’t really fat
Was referring to the other husband, ;D :D
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I was holding back. I detest these lazy liberal parasites in society :D ;)
;D
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Half of Getbig sounds like Robbie and Arnold and Nick hits the nail on the head with his analysis
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Walker won because it was a weak year coming off of Covid. Kuclo, Iain, and Walker all got lucky this year with everyone being Covided out, and the Arnold and Olympia being so close together.
If the Olympia line up is close to last year, the three of them will be back in the mid to higher single digits rank wise.
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Kennedy received testosterone daily during his entire presidency. His daily dose of oral methyltestosterone started out as 10 mg, and on several occasions it was increased to 25 mg/d. The summary medication sheet for May 1962 indicates that his physicians began trying different testosterone preparations at that time (44). From 1 to 7 May, he received between 50 mg and 75 mg of testosterone aqueous suspension for 4 days, and from 10 to 28 May, he received either 5 mg or 10 mg of oral fluoxymesterone.
This is confirmed by the observation of Rose Kennedy, who stated in a diary entry on 3 November 1960 that “Jack looks unusually well. His cheeks have filled out amazingly since I saw him in June. He has lost that lean Lincolnesque look which I secretly like better” (51).
Halotestin too haha.
Rose wasn't a fan of the roid bloated face :D
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smaller club=cool only applies when people want to do it but can't, most people just don't want to bb because it's laughable and stupid
What are these people thinking when they see Markus? :D
Even if it's some type of disgust there's also a degree of awe. These people all told everyone about the freak they saw at the supermarket. Markus knew what the people were thinking but I doubt he felt sad about it. :D
When Arnold was on top and bodybuilding was much smaller it must have been like God himself was walking down the street even if most thought it was just "too much."
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Finaplex was just Tren no estrogen pellets you did need to use a syringe filter and you would have to reheat on occasion it was not always painless as concentration would often vary but you knew it was legit
How would you know since you claim to be natural?
There is something particularly reprehensible about you. Not just that you lie so effortlessly but that you continue to exist.
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I don't think you know much of anything.
HaHa. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, on this board takes anything Bhanks says seriously. Just an ongoing joke and a clown on this board.
But, yet, here he is. That's how desperate he is to find someone to talk to.
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Half of Getbig sounds like Robbie and Arnold and Nick hits the nail on the head with his analysis
Is Nick the bber physique you wish you had but all the drugs you take your body doesn’t respond like his?
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What if Kennedy was 'roid raging during the Cuban Missile Crisis?
No wonder he was shagging all those wimmens.
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(https://images.slideplayer.com/15/4612270/slides/slide_93.jpg).
Hahaha - Jesus - methamphetamine hydrochloride!
Back in my younger 'party all weekend' years, I was partial to a bit of your common or garden amphetamine sulphate, but the meth version was pretty rare (nicknamed 'pink champagne' round my part IIRC)
Anyone know if they still sell Syndrox? Asking for a friend ;D
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Needed to die the day the guy on the right was deemed the best physique in the world in 1997. It was the day that they officially put symmetry away as a judging criteria.
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BBing has been dead for a decade or more now.
At least to me it has. ;D
I can't even look at pictures of 90% of todays pro's, they look like shit.
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Anyone know if they still sell Syndrox? Asking for a friend ;D
Nope, pulled from market sometime in the mid-late 70's. There was tons of bad press involving use and abuse by particularly pregnant women and truckers, and many simulant lines were ended during those years and a little after. One of my favorite slang names for them came from the trucking world - "LA Turnarounds". The joke was that you could start at LA, drive all the way across country, then back to LA without sleep.
A lot of the old slang for stims came from the trucking world, it was interesting reading when I ran through some of the old reports years ago.
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Nope, pulled from market sometime in the mid-late 70's. There was tons of bad press involving use and abuse by particularly pregnant women and truckers, and many simulant lines were ended during those years and a little after. One of my favorite slang names for them came from the trucking world - "LA Turnarounds". The joke was that you could start at LA, drive all the way across country, then back to LA without sleep.
A lot of the old slang for stims came from the trucking world, it was interesting reading when I ran through some of the old reports years ago.
Hahaha - I was only joking (as you knew ;)) but I love the idea of the truckers on stims - think there's a Simpsons episode where Homer gobbles a bunch of red devils
Funnily enough, my introduction to this stuff was driving related - taxi-drivers used it to run long shifts
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There is still meth for ADHD I think - Desoxyn. I read an article where a doctor said it was unfairly demonized, much cleaner and more specific for ADHD.
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There is still meth for ADHD I think - Desoxyn. I read an article where a doctor said it was unfairly demonized, much cleaner and more specific for ADHD.
Yep, still here, very hard to legally get your hands on in America. It's used mainly for narcolepsy, or for ADHD if they can't find anything that works before it. It's long had a reputation for being one of the best, but no one wants the stigma of prescribing meth if they don't have to.
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Needed to die the day the guy on the right was deemed the best physique in the world in 1997. It was the day that they officially put symmetry away as a judging criteria.
End of thread ... what a joke that 97' Mr.O was
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Again you all sound like Robbie Robinson talking about the good old days Bodybuilding has evolved in the last 50 years they have a classic and board short division for you old farts to enjoy. The Open division is not for the schmoes looking for pretty twinks it is for the massive freaks who are into strength power and bodybuilding.
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Again you all sound like Robbie Robinson talking about the good old days Bodybuilding has evolved in the last 50 years they have a classic and board short division for you old farts to enjoy. The Open division is not for the schmoes looking for pretty twinks it is for the massive freaks who are into strength power and bodybuilding.
Fag pseudo-sport bodybuilding is.
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Reeves was not “natural” testosterone was being marketed and sold to bodybuilders as early as 1937 a decade before Reeves competed
Bhank is right...Reeves, Eiferman, Eder, Grimik, Park, Kono, Leong etc. most of the old timers were juicing. (and lying)
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Needed to die the day the guy on the right was deemed the best physique in the world in 1997. It was the day that they officially put symmetry away as a judging criteria.
Dorian still won the front lat spread, abs/thighs, side tri's and rear lat spread as well as the 4 quarter turns. One terrible pose (front double biceps) doesn't change a thing.
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Nasser didn’t have enough hardness or size in the rear poses.
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Kennedy received testosterone daily during his entire presidency. His daily dose of oral methyltestosterone started out as 10 mg, and on several occasions it was increased to 25 mg/d. The summary medication sheet for May 1962 indicates that his physicians began trying different testosterone preparations at that time (44). From 1 to 7 May, he received between 50 mg and 75 mg of testosterone aqueous suspension for 4 days, and from 10 to 28 May, he received either 5 mg or 10 mg of oral fluoxymesterone.
As noted earlier, APS 2 is associated with hypogonadism as a result of the development of steroid-cell autoantibodies that react with Leydig cells of the testes, as well as thecal cells of the ovary (30). Kennedy's requirement for testosterone can be ascribed to autoimmune hypergonadotropic hypogonadism as a result of APS 2. However, whereas the incidence of ovarian failure in women with APS 2 is 10%, progression to gonadal failure is very rare among men with Addison disease, even in the presence of high-risk steroidal cell autoantibodies (8). Kennedy fathered 4 children from 1956 to 1960 and hence was apparently not hypogonadal. Another diagnostic possibility to consider is autoimmune (or lymphocytic) hypophysitis, an autoimmune syndrome that results in a picture of panhypopituitarism. Since 1962, 460 cases have been described in the literature (45). This all leads to conjecture as to when Kennedy started testosterone therapy.
Given Kennedy's history, his long-term steroid therapy could have affected his testosterone levels. This is very likely the case, as the prevalence of low testosterone levels in glucocorticoid-treated men is high because of glucocorticoid-induced suppression of all components of the hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis. Typically, daily administration of more than 5 mg to 7.5 mg of prednisone or its equivalent increases the risk for gonadotropin and testosterone suppression and for alterations in muscle and bone mass (46). The medical records contain several notes indicating that Kennedy requested and received additional testosterone, such as on 12 July 1961, when Dr. Travell recorded, “methyl T 10 mg (by request)” (47).
In addition, Robert Dallek and his associate Dr. Jeffrey Kelman have stated that Kennedy was taking testosterone to keep his weight up (48). This, too, is highly likely. On the basis of available records, it cannot be determined exactly when Kennedy began testosterone therapy. Janet Travell recalls that Kennedy weighed 155 lb when she met him in May 1955 (49). Kennedy's White House medical records indicate that his daily weight was between 170 and 180 lb (24). There are possible clues as to when his testosterone therapy was initiated. One clue was provided by his lifelong friend Lem Billings, who stated that Kennedy's weight had surged during the 1960 presidential campaign: “If you look at pictures of him in July 1960 and then look at pictures of him taken in January of 1961, you'l find he was much heavier.” The total weight gain, Billings noted, was about 15 lb (50). In her autobiography, Travell included a photograph that she took of president-elect Kennedy on 15 November 1960. He is bare-chested and is leaping to catch a football. He appears to be trim, muscular, and well proportioned. This is confirmed by the observation of Rose Kennedy, who stated in a diary entry on 3 November 1960 that “Jack looks unusually well. His cheeks have filled out amazingly since I saw him in June. He has lost that lean Lincolnesque look which I secretly like better” (51).
In her autobiography, Travell described Kennedy the first time she met him: “In spite of his Florida suntan, I thought he appeared pale and anemic, and that indeed proved to be the case” (49). In her 1966 oral history, she embellished on this when asked by the interviewer if then-senator Kennedy had any other medical problems. “Well, of course when I first saw him he was extremely anemic. He was really anemic. He had impaired vibration sense which is indicative of peripheral neuritis … characteristic of a vitamin B1 deficiency.” She also stated, “Senator Kennedy was put on a course of vitamin B12, vitamin B1 and B-complex injections. His blood count—his hemoglobin and red cells—did respond” (52).
Taken from - https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/0003-4819-151-5-200909010-00011 .
Also noted -
Diphenoxylate hydrochloride ( Demerol like drug used for sedation and stomach claiming).
25 micrograms Cytomel 2x a day.
Kennedy's Amp cocktail -
Dr. Jacobson gave Kennedy his first treatment, an intramuscular injection of vitamin B-complex, A, E, D, B-12, plus 10 mg. of amphetamine to counter the fatigue brought on by his hectic campaign schedule and adrenal condition, as well as an intravenous injection of calcium and vitamin C. Kennedy responded that his muscle weakness had disappeared and he felt calm, cool and very alert.
( http://www.orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v14n21.shtml ).
Kennedy had a very Bhankesque existence for many years from various readings.
Thanks for posting this information. It is certainly interesting. The lord of Camelot was not a healthy man, despite his image as such.
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Bhank is right...Reeves, Eiferman, Eder, Grimik, Park, Kono, Leong etc. most of the old timers were juicing. (and lying)
He hasn't been right yet on this board, lol
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Dorian still won the front lat spread, abs/thighs, side tri's and rear lat spread as well as the 4 quarter turns. One terrible pose (front double biceps) doesn't change a thing.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing that Dorian may have won on points. But that was the day that the sport as we knew it died. Now you just counted up the points, and if you were freaky and dry enough to win enough of the mandatories, you won on points. But it had NOTHING to do with having an aesthetically pleasing physique anymore. Hence the day it died. Frankly Phil should have beat Rhoden if they judged it on just pure mandatory points. But they were trying to save the sinking ship called men's open so Rhoden got it for flow and small waist. But it was too little too late. Open bodybuilding was dead. People still obsess over Kai doing the fucking show. What kind of thriving sport desperately seeks the return of a 46 year old athlete that hasn't competed in 5 years? A dead sport.
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Based on the Olympia this year.
I think it has died.
PIP "Bodybuilding".
Bunch of oil bags who look like complete shiet.