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Title: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Sir Bicep on October 18, 2021, 11:11:48 AM
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: bhank on October 18, 2021, 12:12:07 PM
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Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: joswift on October 18, 2021, 12:23:47 PM
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bhank now arguing against his previous opinion

This guy cant be a s stupid as this, it must be a troll job
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: bhank on October 18, 2021, 12:33:15 PM
bhank now arguing against his previous opinion

This guy cant be a s stupid as this, it must be a troll job

I didn't even make an argument I just posted a video
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: IroNat on October 18, 2021, 02:39:31 PM
Bi-sexual Superman could beat Royce Gracie.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Always Inspired on October 18, 2021, 04:57:46 PM
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The Gracie's have been guarding this secret very closely for decades. They have been lining up certain fighters they know they can handle while simultaneously avoiding other fighters at all costs. Gracie Jiu-jitsu is a carefully controlled myth.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Darren Avey on October 19, 2021, 06:41:31 AM
Who would have won?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.republicworld.com/amp/sports-news/other-sports/mike-tyson-was-once-challenged-to-a-deathmatch-by-ufc-vet-royce-gracie-but-boxer-refused.html
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: bhank on October 19, 2021, 06:59:33 AM
Who would have won?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.republicworld.com/amp/sports-news/other-sports/mike-tyson-was-once-challenged-to-a-deathmatch-by-ufc-vet-royce-gracie-but-boxer-refused.html

Honestly Tyson has strong hips and is low to the ground (short) he would have been difficult to take down add in the one punch uppercut KO ability and his numerous street fights as a kid and I am taking Tyson over Gracie. Tyson is no Art Jimmerson

Also does Tyson get a training camp with some kind of MMA coach because that would change it even more into Tyson favor dramatically
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Darren Avey on October 19, 2021, 07:28:11 AM
Ah yes, I remember Art Jimmerson
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: SOMEPARTS on October 19, 2021, 08:30:18 AM
Honestly Tyson has strong hips and is low to the ground (short) he would have been difficult to take down add in the one punch uppercut KO ability and his numerous street fights as a kid and I am taking Tyson over Gracie. Tyson is no Art Jimmerson

Also does Tyson get a training camp with some kind of MMA coach because that would change it even more into Tyson favor dramatically


Tyson would be in the 185 class tops in MMA. The 205 guys would tower over him and reach would be an issue. There are no Berbicks and McNeeleys today in the UFC.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: bhank on October 19, 2021, 08:36:05 AM

Tyson would be in the 185 class tops in MMA. The 205 guys would tower over him and reach would be an issue. There are no Berbicks and McNeeleys today in the UFC.

Tyson would never make 185lbs he was 225 and solid muscle in his prime he was heavyweight champion at 19 when do you think he was 185lbs maybe when he was 15

You also seem to forget Gracie was destroyed by Matt Hughes. Tyson is basically a better version of Rampage he would take Gracie head off it is harder to take down a shorter man less legs to shoot at and tyson would fight low he is not going to be easy to takedown and will absolutely decapitate someone taking a lazy gracie shot. One uppercut and 170lb Royce is out cold lets be real here
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: SOMEPARTS on October 19, 2021, 08:46:36 AM
Tyson would never make 185lbs he was 225 and solid muscle in his prime he was heavyweight champion at 19 when do you think he was 185lbs maybe when he was 15

You also seem to forget Gracie was destroyed by Matt Hughes. Tyson is basically a better version of Rampage he would take Gracie head off it is harder to take down a shorter man less legs to shoot at and tyson would fight low he is not going to be easy to takedown and will absolutely decapitate someone taking a lazy gracie shot. One uppercut and 170lb Royce is out cold lets be real here


Training UFC Tyson would be 200 walking around fighting at 185. Rampage is 3-4" taller and goes 240+ fight weight, plus he never had the skill set of younger guys.

Could Tyson brawl Royce on the ground? Sure. Royce is built like a bird.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Darren Avey on October 19, 2021, 11:16:07 AM

Training UFC Tyson would be 200 walking around fighting at 185. Rampage is 3-4" taller and goes 240+ fight weight, plus he never had the skill set of younger guys.

Could Tyson brawl Royce on the ground? Sure. Royce is built like a bird.

Wtf is training UFC?
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: SOMEPARTS on October 19, 2021, 11:24:15 AM
Wtf is nectar?

MMA training....  ::)
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Mothballs on October 19, 2021, 12:42:06 PM
Tyson was a heavyweight at age 15.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: bhank on October 19, 2021, 04:17:15 PM
One clean shot with head gear from a 15 year old and dude went down like he got hit with a hammer out cold then wakes back up twitching
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Fortress on October 19, 2021, 04:30:09 PM
Wtf is training UFC?

C’mon. He just means if Tyson was modestly introduced to MMA-style training.

Don’t twist what is obvious.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Fortress on October 19, 2021, 04:35:56 PM
Who would have won?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.republicworld.com/amp/sports-news/other-sports/mike-tyson-was-once-challenged-to-a-deathmatch-by-ufc-vet-royce-gracie-but-boxer-refused.html

In a spontaneous dust-up, prime Tyson would have punched holes into Gracie. Left him in a gruesome heap on the ground.

In a controlled “no-holds-barred” fight, with even one hour of instruction of takedown defence beforehand, Mike would have … left Royce in a gruesome heap on the mat.

Even without that bit of coaching Iron Mike would very likely have lit up Gracie like a Christmas tree.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: pellius on October 20, 2021, 03:43:15 AM
The Gracie's have been guarding this secret very closely for decades. They have been lining up certain fighters they know they can handle while simultaneously avoiding other fighters at all costs. Gracie Jiu-jitsu is a carefully controlled myth.

Yet they changed the face of Martial Arts and no one can be a champ without knowledge of Jiu-Jitsu.

Too bad you weren't around during the days when our doors were open to all challengers who would get 10 grand if they could defeat a Gracie.They accepted all comers and turned down no one. They were the only ones that really put their money where their mouth is. It would be great to see what you could do.

BTW, you still can. Just walk into any BJJ school and challenge the instructor. It's done all the time and not considered out of line. I remember back in the day a professional fighter from Japan flew all the way to Cali to drop in unexpectedly to challenge Rickson. He left a bloody mess.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: bhank on October 20, 2021, 05:42:26 AM
They deliberately did not allow high level grapplers into UFC 1 they cherry picked opponents a college division 1 champion in his prime would have beaten Royce in UFC 1. Look what Hughes did to him with basic wrestling
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 20, 2021, 05:47:53 AM
They deliberately did not allow high level grapplers into UFC 1 they cherry picked opponents a college division 1 champion in his prime would have beaten Royce in UFC 1. Look what Hughes did to him with basic wrestling

Hughes was also sauced up at one point. 
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Royalty on October 20, 2021, 05:59:34 AM
Yet they changed the face of Martial Arts and no one can be a champ without knowledge of Jiu-Jitsu.

Too bad you weren't around during the days when our doors were open to all challengers who would get 10 grand if they could defeat a Gracie.They accepted all comers and turned down no one. They were the only ones that really put their money where their mouth is. It would be great to see what you could do.

BTW, you still can. Just walk into any BJJ school and challenge the instructor. It's done all the time and not considered out of line. I remember back in the day a professional fighter from Japan flew all the way to Cali to drop in unexpectedly to challenge Rickson. He left a bloody mess.

That Japanese fighter apologized afterwards.

But I wonder what would’ve happened if Sakuraba showed up?
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: bhank on October 20, 2021, 06:16:39 AM
Hughes was also sauced up at one point.

Royce failed a drug test for Deca . Hughes never failed a test
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 20, 2021, 06:30:17 AM
Royce failed a drug test for Deca . Hughes never failed a test

Come on now.  Hughes got fng jacked mid career, then shrunk back down.   
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Sir Bicep on October 20, 2021, 07:20:17 AM
Yet they changed the face of Martial Arts and no one can be a champ without knowledge of Jiu-Jitsu.

Too bad you weren't around during the days when our doors were open to all challengers who would get 10 grand if they could defeat a Gracie.They accepted all comers and turned down no one. They were the only ones that really put their money where their mouth is. It would be great to see what you could do.

BTW, you still can. Just walk into any BJJ school and challenge the instructor. It's done all the time and not considered out of line. I remember back in the day a professional fighter from Japan flew all the way to Cali to drop in unexpectedly to challenge Rickson. He left a bloody mess.
"Our doors"?  Pics?
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: pellius on October 20, 2021, 02:45:58 PM
They deliberately did not allow high level grapplers into UFC 1 they cherry picked opponents a college division 1 champion in his prime would have beaten Royce in UFC 1. Look what Hughes did to him with basic wrestling

You're so full of shit. Just STFU already! How would you know how the competitors were chosen? Ken Shamrock was a Pancrase champion and very, very well versed in ground fighting his knowledge of leg and ankle locks were much better than Royce's. Those techniques were looked down on back in those days. In addition, Shamrock was much bigger, muscular, and stronger, and even though he wasn't a competitive bodybuilder his level of physique is something you will never achieve. Especially with those boney legs of yours.

Matt Hughes trained extensively in BJJ. Remember he tapped out GSP in his first fight with an arm lock. There are no arm locks in college wrestling.

Bhanks, that's why nobody likes you. You talk like you are an expert in everything. Things you have very little experience and knowledge of. This
his on top of being so goddamn conceited and full of yourself.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: pellius on October 20, 2021, 02:48:11 PM
"Our doors"?  Pics?

The Gracie challenge was very, very well known for those involved in martial arts. There are videos.

The only people who make claims like you do have zero experience in no holds bar MMA.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: bhank on October 21, 2021, 11:04:52 AM
The Gracie challenge was very, very well known for those involved in martial arts. There are videos.

The only people who make claims like you do have zero experience in no holds bar MMA.

Straight up I would fuck Royce up dude is overated BJJ doesn't work on anyone with basic grappling knowledge. He was fighting middle aged boxers wearing one glove while wearing a Gi on a wrestling mat gtfo

And BJJ sucks because they don't train takedowns they start from their godamn knees that is why they can't take down wrestlers once someone learns basic takedown defense the scrawny BJJ guy with no hands is dead you also can't triangle someone like me I will put you through the ground
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: joswift on October 21, 2021, 11:10:12 AM
Straight up I would fuck Royce up dude is overated BJJ doesn't work on anyone with basic grappling knowledge. He was fighting middle aged boxers wearing one glove while wearing a Gi on a wrestling mat gtfo

Bhanks fight record 2 and 0

Yep, you would destroy him alright
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: IroNat on October 21, 2021, 01:59:38 PM
Wolverine would defeat any Gracie.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: oldtimer1 on October 21, 2021, 02:18:39 PM
Tyson would never make 185lbs he was 225 and solid muscle in his prime he was heavyweight champion at 19 when do you think he was 185lbs maybe when he was 15

You also seem to forget Gracie was destroyed by Matt Hughes. Tyson is basically a better version of Rampage he would take Gracie head off it is harder to take down a shorter man less legs to shoot at and tyson would fight low he is not going to be easy to takedown and will absolutely decapitate someone taking a lazy gracie shot. One uppercut and 170lb Royce is out cold lets be real here

Matt Hughes beat a Gracie who was at the tale end of his combat days. Hughes practiced BJJ and is a hall of famer like Royce. 

Most champion MMA guys are well rounded in strikes, wrestling and yes BJJ.   Royce was exposed when his really weak striking game was against opponents skilled at staying on their feet.  He had trouble taking down guys trained in wrestling and keeping them down. Still Royce had a long career of wins and is a legend in the game. The shelf life of a fighter is short.

Guys that think BJJ is bull shit should go to their local dojo and join for trial session. Roll on the mats for once instead of thinking how tough your are. It's really humbling. Also good to join a striking gym to get some exposure.  Being in the ring with a live opponents who can punch is an eye opener.  Until guys do that their opinion about fighting has no credibility with me.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Dave D on October 21, 2021, 06:46:03 PM
Matt Hughes beat a Gracie who was at the tale end of his combat days. Hughes practiced BJJ and is a hall of famer like Royce. 

Most champion MMA guys are well rounded in strikes, wrestling and yes BJJ.   Royce was exposed when his really weak striking game was against opponents skilled at staying on their feet.  He had trouble taking down guys trained in wrestling and keeping them down. Still Royce had a long career of wins and is a legend in the game. The shelf life of a fighter is short.

Guys that think BJJ is bull shit should go to their local dojo and join for trial session. Roll on the mats for once instead of thinking how tough your are. It's really humbling. Also good to join a striking gym to get some exposure.  Being in the ring with a live opponents who can punch is an eye opener.  Until guys do that their opinion about fighting has no credibility with me.

You should put this on a shirt. So people know that unless they’ve been in a cage you don’t need to hear their opinion.

Bhanks has fought though. Twice.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: pellius on October 21, 2021, 07:39:05 PM
Straight up I would fuck Royce up dude is overated BJJ doesn't work on anyone with basic grappling knowledge. He was fighting middle aged boxers wearing one glove while wearing a Gi on a wrestling mat gtfo

And BJJ sucks because they don't train takedowns they start from their godamn knees that is why they can't take down wrestlers once someone learns basic takedown defense the scrawny BJJ guy with no hands is dead you also can't triangle someone like me I will put you through the ground

As usual, you make claims and boast about what you "could" do knowing full well it will never happen. This is not 1995, bird legs, it's obviously been a while since you were destroying all BJJ Black Belts, it used to be the case that takedowns were a glaring weakness in their game. With the advent of MMA and the popularity of the sport, takedowns are now practiced extensively. They often employ high-level wrestlers, and even more common, the sport has tons of wrestlers making the cross over and sharing their wrestling knowledge daily during training sessions.

You really are quite the weirdo, aren't you gramps? You know full well nobody believes the shit that you brag about. Even if on the off chance you make a claim that is in fact true still nobody believes you because as a person and a man you have no credibility. But here you are.

 In the beginning, when BJJ was new, as a Blue Belt, I was effortlessly tapping out seasoned wrestlers that were much better athletes than I was. I'm honest enough to admit that I don't think I could have even kept up with the training that a top D1 wrestler endures. These are some of the finest, toughest, and most conditioned athletes in the world. Sure, I would always get taken down but a wrestler likes to go to his knees exposing his back which is the greatest gift you can give to a BJJ student. And they were clueless about what can happen to them while in a BJJ students guard.

Though it is not enough by itself anymore, BJJ is an absolutely necessary skill to learn if you are going to be successful in MMA. There are no submissions in traditional wrestling.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: pellius on October 21, 2021, 08:08:41 PM
You should put this on a shirt. So people know that unless they’ve been in a cage you don’t need to hear their opinion.

Bhanks has fought though. Twice.

And he lost twice. To no name nobodies. Not guys like Royce who went against world-class fighters.

Royce is the first generation of modern MMA fighters. We are in the third generation now and it's evolved to a very high level and is still evolving. As I mentioned before several times over the years, Royce was not the best of the Gracies. As far as with the immediate family competed he was the worse and least experience. Rorion brought Royce over to the U.S. when Royce was still a teenager and a Blue Belt to help Rorion teach classes. It's an inside joke within the family, actually, mostly from their cousins, The Machados, that it wasn't Rickson that was the most talented, it was
Royce went from Blue Belt to Black Belt, skipping Purple and Brown, which most spend years before at becoming a Black Belt.

I was training with the Machado's at the time when Royce was scheduled to fight Mark Kerr. Rorion, because his own school didn't have the top-level fighters, employed Rigan, along with the rest of the Machados, as well as Rico Rodriguez (who won the HeavyWeight title beating Randy Couture). Rorion needed Royce to have training partners that were big and skilled.
Rigan was ideal because not only was a big like Kerr, he rolled with him and always beat him. I saw this first hand. In his day, Rigan Machado, dominated and went nearly undefeated losing only once to his cousin, Rickson.

Anyway, as I was sitting around waiting for class to start the Rigan, Jean-Jacques, Rico walked in. They had just got done training Royce whose dojo was about 3 miles away. I asked Jean-Jacques how did it go. What's Royce's level and his chances against a monster like Kerr. Jean Jacques told me that if Royce was a student at this school, the Machados, he would be considered an advanced Purple Belt.

I say this not to bust on Royce but only to point out that even as a skinny, weak, non-athletic, mid-level BJJ artist, he could still fight, complete, and win on the world stage. The idea that the chicken-legged, Bhanks, could even hang with the likes of Sakuraba, Severn, and Shamrock is just beyond laughable. So that's what we do. We listen to Bhanks and we just laugh.

Bhanks, you're a clown. You exist on this board to be fun of. You're clueless and lack any sense of self-awareness making you so conceited and so full of yourself that you are the biggest joke on this board.

How else can someone post a pic like this and say they are making GAINZ!
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Sir Bicep on October 21, 2021, 08:41:56 PM
And he lost twice. To no name nobodies. Not guys like Royce who went against world-class fighters.

Royce is the first generation of modern MMA fighters. We are in the third generation now and it's evolved to a very high level and is still evolving. As I mentioned before several times over the years, Royce was not the best of the Gracies. As far as with the immediate family competed he was the worse and least experience. Rorion brought Royce over to the U.S. when Royce was still a teenager and a Blue Belt to help Rorion teach classes. It's an inside joke within the family, actually, mostly from their cousins, The Machados, that it wasn't Rickson that was the most talented, it was
Royce went from Blue Belt to Black Belt, skipping Purple and Brown, which most spend years before at becoming a Black Belt.

I was training with the Machado's at the time when Royce was scheduled to fight Mark Kerr. Rorion, because his own school didn't have the top-level fighters, employed Rigan, along with the rest of the Machados, as well as Rico Rodriguez (who won the HeavyWeight title beating Randy Couture). Rorion needed Royce to have training partners that were big and skilled.
Rigan was ideal because not only was a big like Kerr, he rolled with him and always beat him. I saw this first hand. In his day, Rigan Machado, dominated and went nearly undefeated losing only once to his cousin, Rickson.

Anyway, as I was sitting around waiting for class to start the Rigan, Jean-Jacques, Rico walked in. They had just got done training Royce whose dojo was about 3 miles away. I asked Jean-Jacques how did it go. What's Royce's level and his chances against a monster like Kerr. Jean Jacques told me that if Royce was a student at this school, the Machados, he would be considered an advanced Purple Belt.

I say this not to bust on Royce but only to point out that even as a skinny, weak, non-athletic, mid-level BJJ artist, he could still fight, complete, and win on the world stage. The idea that the chicken-legged, Bhanks, could even hang with the likes of Sakuraba, Severn, and Shamrock is just beyond laughable. So that's what we do. We listen to Bhanks and we just laugh.

Bhanks, you're a clown. You exist on this board to be fun of. You're clueless and lack any sense of self-awareness making you so conceited and so full of yourself that you are the biggest joke on this board.

How else can someone post a pic like this and say they are making GAINZ!
You certainly devote a lot of thought, time and paragraphs to Bhanks.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: pellius on October 21, 2021, 09:11:44 PM
You certainly devote a lot of thought, time and paragraphs to Bhanks.

Yes, I do. Do you have any issues with that? He pollutes this board we all his bullshit and deserves the continuous mocking that he gets.

How about you? Do you plan to expose firsthand the fraud that is BJJ or are you just another big talker/no action as well? I don't mean you have to walk into a school and pick a fight with the instructor but just take a free class at your convenience and learn first hand and a real-life what you claim with your mouth.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Dave D on October 21, 2021, 10:16:04 PM
And he lost twice. To no name nobodies. Not guys like Royce who went against world-class fighters.

Royce is the first generation of modern MMA fighters. We are in the third generation now and it's evolved to a very high level and is still evolving. As I mentioned before several times over the years, Royce was not the best of the Gracies. As far as with the immediate family competed he was the worse and least experience. Rorion brought Royce over to the U.S. when Royce was still a teenager and a Blue Belt to help Rorion teach classes. It's an inside joke within the family, actually, mostly from their cousins, The Machados, that it wasn't Rickson that was the most talented, it was
Royce went from Blue Belt to Black Belt, skipping Purple and Brown, which most spend years before at becoming a Black Belt.

I was training with the Machado's at the time when Royce was scheduled to fight Mark Kerr. Rorion, because his own school didn't have the top-level fighters, employed Rigan, along with the rest of the Machados, as well as Rico Rodriguez (who won the HeavyWeight title beating Randy Couture). Rorion needed Royce to have training partners that were big and skilled.
Rigan was ideal because not only was a big like Kerr, he rolled with him and always beat him. I saw this first hand. In his day, Rigan Machado, dominated and went nearly undefeated losing only once to his cousin, Rickson.

Anyway, as I was sitting around waiting for class to start the Rigan, Jean-Jacques, Rico walked in. They had just got done training Royce whose dojo was about 3 miles away. I asked Jean-Jacques how did it go. What's Royce's level and his chances against a monster like Kerr. Jean Jacques told me that if Royce was a student at this school, the Machados, he would be considered an advanced Purple Belt.

I say this not to bust on Royce but only to point out that even as a skinny, weak, non-athletic, mid-level BJJ artist, he could still fight, complete, and win on the world stage. The idea that the chicken-legged, Bhanks, could even hang with the likes of Sakuraba, Severn, and Shamrock is just beyond laughable. So that's what we do. We listen to Bhanks and we just laugh.

Bhanks, you're a clown. You exist on this board to be fun of. You're clueless and lack any sense of self-awareness making you so conceited and so full of yourself that you are the biggest joke on this board.

How else can someone post a pic like this and say they are making GAINZ!

Great stories!

I remember how much Kerr seemed to love Rico in The Smashing Machine.  What was the cause of his downfall, partying to hard?
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: pellius on October 21, 2021, 11:11:55 PM
Great stories!

I remember how much Kerr seemed to love Rico in The Smashing Machine.  What was the cause of his downfall, partying to hard?

This I don't know. The window of opportunity for the vast majority of fighters is pretty short. Kerr seemed to have personal issues and internal conflicts. Ricco had a weight problem that was a constant battle along with injuries for both of them. I didn't know Kerr personally so I can't say but Ricco had serious knee issues. He was the definition of "flash in the pan." He beat a legend like Couture and was the UFC heavyweight champion. I remember him bringing the belt to show us at the Machados dojo where he started out. I couldn't believe I was training at a school with a UFC world champion though I was with Rickson during his time with Pride. Then he lost his first title defense against Tim Sylvia, another short-lived champion. He languished, started fighting in small shows making peanuts
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: bhank on October 22, 2021, 03:17:10 AM
As usual, you make claims and boast about what you "could" do knowing full well it will never happen. This is not 1995, bird legs, it's obviously been a while since you were destroying all BJJ Black Belts, it used to be the case that takedowns were a glaring weakness in their game. With the advent of MMA and the popularity of the sport, takedowns are now practiced extensively. They often employ high-level wrestlers, and even more common, the sport has tons of wrestlers making the cross over and sharing their wrestling knowledge daily during training sessions.

You really are quite the weirdo, aren't you gramps? You know full well nobody believes the shit that you brag about. Even if on the off chance you make a claim that is in fact true still nobody believes you because as a person and a man you have no credibility. But here you are.

 In the beginning, when BJJ was new, as a Blue Belt, I was effortlessly tapping out seasoned wrestlers that were much better athletes than I was. I'm honest enough to admit that I don't think I could have even kept up with the training that a top D1 wrestler endures. These are some of the finest, toughest, and most conditioned athletes in the world. Sure, I would always get taken down but a wrestler likes to go to his knees exposing his back which is the greatest gift you can give to a BJJ student. And they were clueless about what can happen to them while in a BJJ students guard.

Though it is not enough by itself anymore, BJJ is an absolutely necessary skill to learn if you are going to be successful in MMA. There are no submissions in traditional wrestling.

The fuck there aren't traditional wrestling absolutley teaches you how to choke someone the fuck out nothing in BJJ is unique or new it is all just grappling. Royce is a 170lbs grappler with shitty takedowns I am 220lb grappler with great takedown I would smash him
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: IroNat on October 22, 2021, 03:25:43 AM
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Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 22, 2021, 04:06:50 AM
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Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: bhank on October 22, 2021, 06:28:12 AM
Matt Hughes beat a Gracie who was at the tale end of his combat days. Hughes practiced BJJ and is a hall of famer like Royce. 

Most champion MMA guys are well rounded in strikes, wrestling and yes BJJ.   Royce was exposed when his really weak striking game was against opponents skilled at staying on their feet.  He had trouble taking down guys trained in wrestling and keeping them down. Still Royce had a long career of wins and is a legend in the game. The shelf life of a fighter is short.

Guys that think BJJ is bull shit should go to their local dojo and join for trial session. Roll on the mats for once instead of thinking how tough your are. It's really humbling. Also good to join a striking gym to get some exposure.  Being in the ring with a live opponents who can punch is an eye opener.  Until guys do that their opinion about fighting has no credibility with me.

I am undefeated in BJJ I have trained with the Professor and others
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: pellius on October 24, 2021, 04:19:10 AM
The fuck there aren't traditional wrestling absolutley teaches you how to choke someone the fuck out nothing in BJJ is unique or new it is all just grappling. Royce is a 170lbs grappler with shitty takedowns I am 220lb grappler with great takedown I would smash him

Really? I've never seen high school, college, or Olympic Wrestling where they do chokes, armbars, and submit opponents from their backs.

You're a big-mouth blowhard that nobody takes seriously. You make claims that you never can back up. Go into your local BJJ school and submit a Black Belt. Easily arranged and done but you won't do it as you have proven time and time again that you're just a conceited clown and not a man of your word.

Where's that 405 squat, bird-legs?

Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: bhank on October 24, 2021, 04:37:08 AM
Really? I've never seen high school, college, or Olympic Wrestling where they do chokes, armbars, and submit opponents from their backs.

You're a big-mouth blowhard that nobody takes seriously. You make claims that you never can back up. Go into your local BJJ school and submit a Black Belt. Easily arranged and done but you won't do it as you have proven time and time again that you're just a conceited clown and not a man of your word.

Where's that 405 squat, bird-legs?

I submitted 2 to win the tourney. Wrestling absolutely is full of chokes as is sambo as is GREco as is freestyle there is nothing new about BJj grappling is grappling  it’s the same sport as wrestling sambo judo etc it’s all the same damn thing
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 24, 2021, 05:35:52 AM
I submitted 2 to win the tourney. Wrestling absolutely is full of chokes as is sambo as is GREco as is freestyle there is nothing new about BJj grappling is grappling  it’s the same sport as wrestling sambo judo etc it’s all the same damn thing

So why not go to a BJJ school and film a challenge ?   Would be awesome entertainment for GB
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: IroNat on October 24, 2021, 08:11:33 AM
So why not go to a BJJ school and film a challenge ?   Would be awesome entertainment for GB

One thing at a time.  First the 405 squat.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: bhank on October 24, 2021, 08:30:40 AM
So why not go to a BJJ school and film a challenge ?   Would be awesome entertainment for GB

Because it is 2021 and despite what 60 year old Pellius says you do not go Dojo storming picking fights with guys who have schools trying to make a living and try to embarass them in front of their students in Kumatay death fight challenges that shit is foul as hell and not cool
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: bhank on October 24, 2021, 08:33:30 AM
One thing at a time.  First the 405 squat.

Sorry for wanting proper equipment first my bad
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: IroNat on October 24, 2021, 08:55:59 AM
Sorry for wanting proper equipment first my bad

No problem.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: joswift on October 24, 2021, 09:25:02 AM
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=675284.0;attach=1332743;image)

so you are expecting a dick delivery?

How apt...
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: pellius on October 25, 2021, 02:03:03 AM
I am undefeated in BJJ I have trained with the Professor and others

I'm also undefeated in Thai Kick boxing, tennis, wrestling, swimming...

You're a pathetic little cock sucker. Old and ugly, too.

Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: pellius on October 25, 2021, 02:05:46 AM
I submitted 2 to win the tourney. Wrestling absolutely is full of chokes as is sambo as is GREco as is freestyle there is nothing new about BJj grappling is grappling  it’s the same sport as wrestling sambo judo etc it’s all the same damn thing

No it isn't. Much different. You didn't submit anybody. You fucked a crackhead in the alley and counted that as a submission.

You don't know jack about bodybuilding, weight lifting, and MMA.

Just a sad, poor, prematurely aged disgusting creature.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: pellius on October 25, 2021, 02:09:36 AM
Because it is 2021 and despite what 60 year old Pellius says you do not go Dojo storming picking fights with guys who have schools trying to make a living and try to embarass them in front of their students in Kumatay death fight challenges that shit is foul as hell and not cool

Again. No clue. We have walk-ins all the time that roll. It doesn't even have to be a challenge. You can pay $20 for a one-day class and roll with anybody who is there. Anybody that belongs or has belong to a Jiu-Jitsu school can confirm this. I just proved once again that you are a lying piece of shit and never stepped foot in a BJJ dojo. And LOL @ "Kumatay"

Jeeze what a clown.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Matt on October 25, 2021, 02:57:27 AM
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=675284.0;attach=1332743;image)

so you are expecting a dick delivery?

How apt...

LMAO!!!

This was EXACTLY the sort of post I was looking for, after seeing that truck driving along, to B. Hanks' house.  ;D

To my knowledge, that business doesn't exist in Canada.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 25, 2021, 03:21:17 AM
The fuck there aren't traditional wrestling absolutley teaches you how to choke someone the fuck out nothing in BJJ is unique or new it is all just grappling. Royce is a 170lbs grappler with shitty takedowns I am 220lb grappler with great takedown I would smash him
You have to be just trolling pellius, right?
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Kwon on October 25, 2021, 03:32:39 AM
Again. No clue. We have walk-ins all the time that roll. It doesn't even have to be a challenge. You can pay $20 for a one-day class and roll with anybody who is there. Anybody that belongs or has belong to a Jiu-Jitsu school can confirm this. I just proved once again that you are a lying piece of shit and never stepped foot in a BJJ dojo. And LOL @ "Kumatay"

Jeeze what a clown.


LOL @ gimmick Hanks with his "Kumatay"




It's KUMITE dimwit! :D


Hankins gets weirder every day
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: IroNat on October 25, 2021, 04:19:55 AM

LOL @ gimmick Hanks with his "Kumatay"




It's KUMITE dimwit! :D


Hankins gets weirder every day

Bhanky's spelling and grammar is atrocious.

I'm quite shocked considering his elite, private school education.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: bhank on October 25, 2021, 06:55:38 AM
Again. No clue. We have walk-ins all the time that roll. It doesn't even have to be a challenge. You can pay $20 for a one-day class and roll with anybody who is there. Anybody that belongs or has belong to a Jiu-Jitsu school can confirm this. I just proved once again that you are a lying piece of shit and never stepped foot in a BJJ dojo. And LOL @ "Kumatay"

Jeeze what a clown.

I literally won a BJJ tourney yet you someone think I have never stepped on a mat how does that make any sense? Again you can't just wonder into a BJJ and beat the shit out of some instructor teaching children martial arts that is not kosher you fucking clown. Oh yeah and the professor Pedro Sauer refused to roll with me two decades ago had me beat up one of his brownbelts instead they absolutely do not take all challenges
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: King Shizzo on October 25, 2021, 07:02:08 AM
I'm also undefeated in Thai Kick boxing, tennis, wrestling, swimming...

You're a pathetic little cock sucker. Old and ugly, too.
When Pellius calls you old and and ugly.

We got problems.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: bhank on October 25, 2021, 07:05:10 AM
I'm also undefeated in Thai Kick boxing, tennis, wrestling, swimming...

You're a pathetic little cock sucker. Old and ugly, too.

Lets see your trophies then hell I have newspaper articles about my wrestling shit I swam competitively year round for over a decade I can still swim the fly
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: PumpItUp_2 on October 25, 2021, 01:45:32 PM
Honestly Tyson has strong hips and is low to the ground (short) he would have been difficult to take down add in the one punch uppercut KO ability and his numerous street fights as a kid and I am taking Tyson over Gracie. Tyson is no Art Jimmerson

Also does Tyson get a training camp with some kind of MMA coach because that would change it even more into Tyson favor dramatically
It would be interesting to watch for sure. Mike Tysons punching power is thru the roof. He has the most powerful punch of any boxer, they did an analysis on Sports center on ESPN.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Taffin on October 25, 2021, 03:01:01 PM
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/200a9550d024af3be4c4fb456b4a8210/tenor.gif?itemid=5054465)

Brilliant!!  Absolutely spot-on! ;D

Can't believe I missed this!  These bhank threads move so quickly - blink and I miss 5 pages LOL
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: pellius on October 25, 2021, 03:11:19 PM
I literally won a BJJ tourney yet you someone think I have never stepped on a mat how does that make any sense? Again you can't just wonder into a BJJ and beat the shit out of some instructor teaching children martial arts that is not kosher you fucking clown. Oh yeah and the professor Pedro Sauer refused to roll with me two decades ago had me beat up one of his brownbelts instead they absolutely do not take all challenges

You never won shit. You show a  plaque that can be anybody's or just bought at a store. No, I never said you walk into a children's class and challenge the instructor. I said you can walk into any school pay for a one day class and roll with anybody. OMR trains at Renzo's and can confirm this. You never challenge Sauer and you never beat up any of his students.
You are a congenital liar. No one believes anything you say. You've become the biggest joke this board has ever had.

Go fuck yourself you sad and pathetic old bird-legged cock sucker. Or maybe you're able to take it up the ass again now that the bleeding has stopped.

Jeeze, you are one weird, creepy little man.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: bhank on October 25, 2021, 03:20:01 PM
You never won shit. You show a  plaque that can be anybody's or just bought at a store. No, I never said you walk into a children's class and challenge the instructor. I said you can walk into any school pay for a one day class and roll with anybody. OMR trains at Renzo's and can confirm this. You never challenge Sauer and you never beat up any of his students.
You are a congenital liar. No one believes anything you say. You've become the biggest joke this board has ever had.

Go fuck yourself you sad and pathetic old bird-legged cock sucker. Or maybe you're able to take it up the ass again now that the bleeding has stopped.

Jeeze, you are one weird, creepy little man.

Really lots of stores carrying and selling 20 year old BJJ trophies???? Again I have posted actual evidence of my BJJ and wrestling accolades you are the aids patient who just name drops Gracies. I have trained at a dozen schools from BJJ t Sambo to Freestyle to MMA and rolled and wrestled with everyone. However I am no longer into it at 43 years old after half a dozen orthopedic surgeries I don't want anyone practicing submissions on my surgically repaired joints. Doesn't mean I couldn't still crush a 60 year old aids patient.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Sir Bicep on October 25, 2021, 03:49:15 PM
(https://uniim-share.shutterfly.com/v2/procgtaserv/4790ce27b3127cce98548bcd3ee800000008100KYuWbVu3ZO)
FACT: these masters would tear through the Gracies and end things very quickly. And rhe Gracies know it.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: djliftsthings on October 25, 2021, 03:50:15 PM
No it isn't. Much different. You didn't submit anybody. You fucked a crackhead in the alley and counted that as a submission.

You don't know jack about bodybuilding, weight lifting, and MMA.

Just a sad, poor, prematurely aged disgusting creature.

 :D :D :D  is there a name for this submission?
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 26, 2021, 04:45:50 AM
:D :D :D  is there a name for this submission?
Anal ouchie submission.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: poonhead on October 26, 2021, 05:59:31 AM
(https://uniim-share.shutterfly.com/v2/procgtaserv/4790ce27b3127cce98548bcd3ee800000008100KYuWbVu3ZO)

Lolwhat
FACT: these masters would tear through the Gracies and end things very quickly. And rhe Gracies know it.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: _bruce_ on October 26, 2021, 06:51:41 AM
Regarding a "kumite" or whatever that shite is called....
if there are 32 matches to determine the winner how many competitors have initially entered the "fray"?
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Darren Avey on October 26, 2021, 11:23:42 AM
(https://uniim-share.shutterfly.com/v2/procgtaserv/4790ce27b3127cce98548bcd3ee800000008100KYuWbVu3ZO)
FACT: these masters would tear through the Gracies and end things very quickly. And rhe Gracies know it.

Who are they?
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Sir Bicep on October 26, 2021, 12:58:00 PM
Who are they?
The one in the white gi is Sifu Bill Chun Jr. He would kick the shit out of any Gracie, and they know it and they steer clear.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 27, 2021, 02:20:32 AM
The one in the white gi is Sifu Bill Chun Jr. He would kick the shit out of any Gracie, and they know it and they steer clear.
Ha, ha, no he wouldn't. Kenpo karate is shit in a real fight.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Sir Bicep on October 27, 2021, 06:42:03 AM
Ha, ha, no he wouldn't. Kenpo karate is shit in a real fight.
Wrong.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 27, 2021, 10:12:56 AM
Wrong.
No, I'm very right. Trained in that shit art as a kid.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Sir Bicep on October 27, 2021, 10:32:46 AM
No, I'm very right. Trained in that shit art as a kid.
So you're not talented. And?
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 27, 2021, 10:54:14 AM
So you're not talented. And?
And, name the great Kenpo fighters.  I'll wait.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Sir Bicep on October 27, 2021, 11:16:18 AM
And, name the great Kenpo fighters.  I'll wait.
Name a martial art you excelled in. I'll wait.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: IroNat on October 27, 2021, 01:13:14 PM
And, name the great Kenpo fighters.  I'll wait.

Elvis.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 28, 2021, 04:05:38 AM
Elvis.
:D I forgot all about him.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: IroNat on October 28, 2021, 04:17:51 AM
:D I forgot all about him.

The King of Kenpo.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/yZpLvTA5C3cYw/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 28, 2021, 04:35:35 AM
The constipation killed him before he ever got in a real fight. It's a good thing as it was a more honorable way to die.
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: bhank on June 16, 2022, 03:42:05 PM
Ok Dave here is the post as you can see I posted the video of Marius Ko Gracie on page one
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Matt on June 18, 2022, 12:13:31 AM
Title: Re: Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu
Post by: Humble Narcissist on June 18, 2022, 12:25:06 PM
Those old UFC's were great though.