Size and strength beating Gracie Jiu-jitsu

[pellius]

They deliberately did not allow high level grapplers into UFC 1 they cherry picked opponents a college division 1 champion in his prime would have beaten Royce in UFC 1. Look what Hughes did to him with basic wrestling

You're so full of shit. Just STFU already! How would you know how the competitors were chosen? Ken Shamrock was a Pancrase champion and very, very well versed in ground fighting his knowledge of leg and ankle locks were much better than Royce's. Those techniques were looked down on back in those days. In addition, Shamrock was much bigger, muscular, and stronger, and even though he wasn't a competitive bodybuilder his level of physique is something you will never achieve. Especially with those boney legs of yours.

Matt Hughes trained extensively in BJJ. Remember he tapped out GSP in his first fight with an arm lock. There are no arm locks in college wrestling.

Bhanks, that's why nobody likes you. You talk like you are an expert in everything. Things you have very little experience and knowledge of. This
his on top of being so goddamn conceited and full of yourself.

[pellius]

"Our doors"?  Pics?

The Gracie challenge was very, very well known for those involved in martial arts. There are videos.

The only people who make claims like you do have zero experience in no holds bar MMA.

[bhank]

The Gracie challenge was very, very well known for those involved in martial arts. There are videos.

The only people who make claims like you do have zero experience in no holds bar MMA.

Straight up I would fuck Royce up dude is overated BJJ doesn't work on anyone with basic grappling knowledge. He was fighting middle aged boxers wearing one glove while wearing a Gi on a wrestling mat gtfo

And BJJ sucks because they don't train takedowns they start from their godamn knees that is why they can't take down wrestlers once someone learns basic takedown defense the scrawny BJJ guy with no hands is dead you also can't triangle someone like me I will put you through the ground

[joswift]

Straight up I would fuck Royce up dude is overated BJJ doesn't work on anyone with basic grappling knowledge. He was fighting middle aged boxers wearing one glove while wearing a Gi on a wrestling mat gtfo

Bhanks fight record 2 and 0

Yep, you would destroy him alright

[IroNat]

Wolverine would defeat any Gracie.

[oldtimer1]

Tyson would never make 185lbs he was 225 and solid muscle in his prime he was heavyweight champion at 19 when do you think he was 185lbs maybe when he was 15

You also seem to forget Gracie was destroyed by Matt Hughes. Tyson is basically a better version of Rampage he would take Gracie head off it is harder to take down a shorter man less legs to shoot at and tyson would fight low he is not going to be easy to takedown and will absolutely decapitate someone taking a lazy gracie shot. One uppercut and 170lb Royce is out cold lets be real here

Matt Hughes beat a Gracie who was at the tale end of his combat days. Hughes practiced BJJ and is a hall of famer like Royce. 

Most champion MMA guys are well rounded in strikes, wrestling and yes BJJ.   Royce was exposed when his really weak striking game was against opponents skilled at staying on their feet.  He had trouble taking down guys trained in wrestling and keeping them down. Still Royce had a long career of wins and is a legend in the game. The shelf life of a fighter is short.

Guys that think BJJ is bull shit should go to their local dojo and join for trial session. Roll on the mats for once instead of thinking how tough your are. It's really humbling. Also good to join a striking gym to get some exposure.  Being in the ring with a live opponents who can punch is an eye opener.  Until guys do that their opinion about fighting has no credibility with me.

[Dave D]

Matt Hughes beat a Gracie who was at the tale end of his combat days. Hughes practiced BJJ and is a hall of famer like Royce. 

Most champion MMA guys are well rounded in strikes, wrestling and yes BJJ.   Royce was exposed when his really weak striking game was against opponents skilled at staying on their feet.  He had trouble taking down guys trained in wrestling and keeping them down. Still Royce had a long career of wins and is a legend in the game. The shelf life of a fighter is short.

Guys that think BJJ is bull shit should go to their local dojo and join for trial session. Roll on the mats for once instead of thinking how tough your are. It's really humbling. Also good to join a striking gym to get some exposure.  Being in the ring with a live opponents who can punch is an eye opener.  Until guys do that their opinion about fighting has no credibility with me.

You should put this on a shirt. So people know that unless they’ve been in a cage you don’t need to hear their opinion.

Bhanks has fought though. Twice.

[pellius]

Straight up I would fuck Royce up dude is overated BJJ doesn't work on anyone with basic grappling knowledge. He was fighting middle aged boxers wearing one glove while wearing a Gi on a wrestling mat gtfo

And BJJ sucks because they don't train takedowns they start from their godamn knees that is why they can't take down wrestlers once someone learns basic takedown defense the scrawny BJJ guy with no hands is dead you also can't triangle someone like me I will put you through the ground

As usual, you make claims and boast about what you "could" do knowing full well it will never happen. This is not 1995, bird legs, it's obviously been a while since you were destroying all BJJ Black Belts, it used to be the case that takedowns were a glaring weakness in their game. With the advent of MMA and the popularity of the sport, takedowns are now practiced extensively. They often employ high-level wrestlers, and even more common, the sport has tons of wrestlers making the cross over and sharing their wrestling knowledge daily during training sessions.

You really are quite the weirdo, aren't you gramps? You know full well nobody believes the shit that you brag about. Even if on the off chance you make a claim that is in fact true still nobody believes you because as a person and a man you have no credibility. But here you are.

 In the beginning, when BJJ was new, as a Blue Belt, I was effortlessly tapping out seasoned wrestlers that were much better athletes than I was. I'm honest enough to admit that I don't think I could have even kept up with the training that a top D1 wrestler endures. These are some of the finest, toughest, and most conditioned athletes in the world. Sure, I would always get taken down but a wrestler likes to go to his knees exposing his back which is the greatest gift you can give to a BJJ student. And they were clueless about what can happen to them while in a BJJ students guard.

Though it is not enough by itself anymore, BJJ is an absolutely necessary skill to learn if you are going to be successful in MMA. There are no submissions in traditional wrestling.

[pellius]

You should put this on a shirt. So people know that unless they’ve been in a cage you don’t need to hear their opinion.

Bhanks has fought though. Twice.

And he lost twice. To no name nobodies. Not guys like Royce who went against world-class fighters.

Royce is the first generation of modern MMA fighters. We are in the third generation now and it's evolved to a very high level and is still evolving. As I mentioned before several times over the years, Royce was not the best of the Gracies. As far as with the immediate family competed he was the worse and least experience. Rorion brought Royce over to the U.S. when Royce was still a teenager and a Blue Belt to help Rorion teach classes. It's an inside joke within the family, actually, mostly from their cousins, The Machados, that it wasn't Rickson that was the most talented, it was
Royce went from Blue Belt to Black Belt, skipping Purple and Brown, which most spend years before at becoming a Black Belt.

I was training with the Machado's at the time when Royce was scheduled to fight Mark Kerr. Rorion, because his own school didn't have the top-level fighters, employed Rigan, along with the rest of the Machados, as well as Rico Rodriguez (who won the HeavyWeight title beating Randy Couture). Rorion needed Royce to have training partners that were big and skilled.
Rigan was ideal because not only was a big like Kerr, he rolled with him and always beat him. I saw this first hand. In his day, Rigan Machado, dominated and went nearly undefeated losing only once to his cousin, Rickson.

Anyway, as I was sitting around waiting for class to start the Rigan, Jean-Jacques, Rico walked in. They had just got done training Royce whose dojo was about 3 miles away. I asked Jean-Jacques how did it go. What's Royce's level and his chances against a monster like Kerr. Jean Jacques told me that if Royce was a student at this school, the Machados, he would be considered an advanced Purple Belt.

I say this not to bust on Royce but only to point out that even as a skinny, weak, non-athletic, mid-level BJJ artist, he could still fight, complete, and win on the world stage. The idea that the chicken-legged, Bhanks, could even hang with the likes of Sakuraba, Severn, and Shamrock is just beyond laughable. So that's what we do. We listen to Bhanks and we just laugh.

Bhanks, you're a clown. You exist on this board to be fun of. You're clueless and lack any sense of self-awareness making you so conceited and so full of yourself that you are the biggest joke on this board.

How else can someone post a pic like this and say they are making GAINZ!

[Sir Bicep]

And he lost twice. To no name nobodies. Not guys like Royce who went against world-class fighters.

Royce is the first generation of modern MMA fighters. We are in the third generation now and it's evolved to a very high level and is still evolving. As I mentioned before several times over the years, Royce was not the best of the Gracies. As far as with the immediate family competed he was the worse and least experience. Rorion brought Royce over to the U.S. when Royce was still a teenager and a Blue Belt to help Rorion teach classes. It's an inside joke within the family, actually, mostly from their cousins, The Machados, that it wasn't Rickson that was the most talented, it was
Royce went from Blue Belt to Black Belt, skipping Purple and Brown, which most spend years before at becoming a Black Belt.

I was training with the Machado's at the time when Royce was scheduled to fight Mark Kerr. Rorion, because his own school didn't have the top-level fighters, employed Rigan, along with the rest of the Machados, as well as Rico Rodriguez (who won the HeavyWeight title beating Randy Couture). Rorion needed Royce to have training partners that were big and skilled.
Rigan was ideal because not only was a big like Kerr, he rolled with him and always beat him. I saw this first hand. In his day, Rigan Machado, dominated and went nearly undefeated losing only once to his cousin, Rickson.

Anyway, as I was sitting around waiting for class to start the Rigan, Jean-Jacques, Rico walked in. They had just got done training Royce whose dojo was about 3 miles away. I asked Jean-Jacques how did it go. What's Royce's level and his chances against a monster like Kerr. Jean Jacques told me that if Royce was a student at this school, the Machados, he would be considered an advanced Purple Belt.

I say this not to bust on Royce but only to point out that even as a skinny, weak, non-athletic, mid-level BJJ artist, he could still fight, complete, and win on the world stage. The idea that the chicken-legged, Bhanks, could even hang with the likes of Sakuraba, Severn, and Shamrock is just beyond laughable. So that's what we do. We listen to Bhanks and we just laugh.

Bhanks, you're a clown. You exist on this board to be fun of. You're clueless and lack any sense of self-awareness making you so conceited and so full of yourself that you are the biggest joke on this board.

How else can someone post a pic like this and say they are making GAINZ!

You certainly devote a lot of thought, time and paragraphs to Bhanks.

[pellius]

You certainly devote a lot of thought, time and paragraphs to Bhanks.

Yes, I do. Do you have any issues with that? He pollutes this board we all his bullshit and deserves the continuous mocking that he gets.

How about you? Do you plan to expose firsthand the fraud that is BJJ or are you just another big talker/no action as well? I don't mean you have to walk into a school and pick a fight with the instructor but just take a free class at your convenience and learn first hand and a real-life what you claim with your mouth.

[Dave D]

And he lost twice. To no name nobodies. Not guys like Royce who went against world-class fighters.

Royce is the first generation of modern MMA fighters. We are in the third generation now and it's evolved to a very high level and is still evolving. As I mentioned before several times over the years, Royce was not the best of the Gracies. As far as with the immediate family competed he was the worse and least experience. Rorion brought Royce over to the U.S. when Royce was still a teenager and a Blue Belt to help Rorion teach classes. It's an inside joke within the family, actually, mostly from their cousins, The Machados, that it wasn't Rickson that was the most talented, it was
Royce went from Blue Belt to Black Belt, skipping Purple and Brown, which most spend years before at becoming a Black Belt.

I was training with the Machado's at the time when Royce was scheduled to fight Mark Kerr. Rorion, because his own school didn't have the top-level fighters, employed Rigan, along with the rest of the Machados, as well as Rico Rodriguez (who won the HeavyWeight title beating Randy Couture). Rorion needed Royce to have training partners that were big and skilled.
Rigan was ideal because not only was a big like Kerr, he rolled with him and always beat him. I saw this first hand. In his day, Rigan Machado, dominated and went nearly undefeated losing only once to his cousin, Rickson.

Anyway, as I was sitting around waiting for class to start the Rigan, Jean-Jacques, Rico walked in. They had just got done training Royce whose dojo was about 3 miles away. I asked Jean-Jacques how did it go. What's Royce's level and his chances against a monster like Kerr. Jean Jacques told me that if Royce was a student at this school, the Machados, he would be considered an advanced Purple Belt.

I say this not to bust on Royce but only to point out that even as a skinny, weak, non-athletic, mid-level BJJ artist, he could still fight, complete, and win on the world stage. The idea that the chicken-legged, Bhanks, could even hang with the likes of Sakuraba, Severn, and Shamrock is just beyond laughable. So that's what we do. We listen to Bhanks and we just laugh.

Bhanks, you're a clown. You exist on this board to be fun of. You're clueless and lack any sense of self-awareness making you so conceited and so full of yourself that you are the biggest joke on this board.

How else can someone post a pic like this and say they are making GAINZ!

Great stories!

I remember how much Kerr seemed to love Rico in The Smashing Machine.  What was the cause of his downfall, partying to hard?

[pellius]

Great stories!

I remember how much Kerr seemed to love Rico in The Smashing Machine.  What was the cause of his downfall, partying to hard?

This I don't know. The window of opportunity for the vast majority of fighters is pretty short. Kerr seemed to have personal issues and internal conflicts. Ricco had a weight problem that was a constant battle along with injuries for both of them. I didn't know Kerr personally so I can't say but Ricco had serious knee issues. He was the definition of "flash in the pan." He beat a legend like Couture and was the UFC heavyweight champion. I remember him bringing the belt to show us at the Machados dojo where he started out. I couldn't believe I was training at a school with a UFC world champion though I was with Rickson during his time with Pride. Then he lost his first title defense against Tim Sylvia, another short-lived champion. He languished, started fighting in small shows making peanuts

[bhank]

As usual, you make claims and boast about what you "could" do knowing full well it will never happen. This is not 1995, bird legs, it's obviously been a while since you were destroying all BJJ Black Belts, it used to be the case that takedowns were a glaring weakness in their game. With the advent of MMA and the popularity of the sport, takedowns are now practiced extensively. They often employ high-level wrestlers, and even more common, the sport has tons of wrestlers making the cross over and sharing their wrestling knowledge daily during training sessions.

You really are quite the weirdo, aren't you gramps? You know full well nobody believes the shit that you brag about. Even if on the off chance you make a claim that is in fact true still nobody believes you because as a person and a man you have no credibility. But here you are.

 In the beginning, when BJJ was new, as a Blue Belt, I was effortlessly tapping out seasoned wrestlers that were much better athletes than I was. I'm honest enough to admit that I don't think I could have even kept up with the training that a top D1 wrestler endures. These are some of the finest, toughest, and most conditioned athletes in the world. Sure, I would always get taken down but a wrestler likes to go to his knees exposing his back which is the greatest gift you can give to a BJJ student. And they were clueless about what can happen to them while in a BJJ students guard.

Though it is not enough by itself anymore, BJJ is an absolutely necessary skill to learn if you are going to be successful in MMA. There are no submissions in traditional wrestling.

The fuck there aren't traditional wrestling absolutley teaches you how to choke someone the fuck out nothing in BJJ is unique or new it is all just grappling. Royce is a 170lbs grappler with shitty takedowns I am 220lb grappler with great takedown I would smash him

[IroNat]

[Soul Crusher]

[bhank]

Matt Hughes beat a Gracie who was at the tale end of his combat days. Hughes practiced BJJ and is a hall of famer like Royce. 

Most champion MMA guys are well rounded in strikes, wrestling and yes BJJ.   Royce was exposed when his really weak striking game was against opponents skilled at staying on their feet.  He had trouble taking down guys trained in wrestling and keeping them down. Still Royce had a long career of wins and is a legend in the game. The shelf life of a fighter is short.

Guys that think BJJ is bull shit should go to their local dojo and join for trial session. Roll on the mats for once instead of thinking how tough your are. It's really humbling. Also good to join a striking gym to get some exposure.  Being in the ring with a live opponents who can punch is an eye opener.  Until guys do that their opinion about fighting has no credibility with me.

I am undefeated in BJJ I have trained with the Professor and others

[pellius]

The fuck there aren't traditional wrestling absolutley teaches you how to choke someone the fuck out nothing in BJJ is unique or new it is all just grappling. Royce is a 170lbs grappler with shitty takedowns I am 220lb grappler with great takedown I would smash him

Really? I've never seen high school, college, or Olympic Wrestling where they do chokes, armbars, and submit opponents from their backs.

You're a big-mouth blowhard that nobody takes seriously. You make claims that you never can back up. Go into your local BJJ school and submit a Black Belt. Easily arranged and done but you won't do it as you have proven time and time again that you're just a conceited clown and not a man of your word.

Where's that 405 squat, bird-legs?

[bhank]

Really? I've never seen high school, college, or Olympic Wrestling where they do chokes, armbars, and submit opponents from their backs.

You're a big-mouth blowhard that nobody takes seriously. You make claims that you never can back up. Go into your local BJJ school and submit a Black Belt. Easily arranged and done but you won't do it as you have proven time and time again that you're just a conceited clown and not a man of your word.

Where's that 405 squat, bird-legs?

I submitted 2 to win the tourney. Wrestling absolutely is full of chokes as is sambo as is GREco as is freestyle there is nothing new about BJj grappling is grappling  it’s the same sport as wrestling sambo judo etc it’s all the same damn thing

[Soul Crusher]

I submitted 2 to win the tourney. Wrestling absolutely is full of chokes as is sambo as is GREco as is freestyle there is nothing new about BJj grappling is grappling  it’s the same sport as wrestling sambo judo etc it’s all the same damn thing

So why not go to a BJJ school and film a challenge ?   Would be awesome entertainment for GB

[IroNat]

So why not go to a BJJ school and film a challenge ?   Would be awesome entertainment for GB

One thing at a time.  First the 405 squat.

[bhank]

So why not go to a BJJ school and film a challenge ?   Would be awesome entertainment for GB

Because it is 2021 and despite what 60 year old Pellius says you do not go Dojo storming picking fights with guys who have schools trying to make a living and try to embarass them in front of their students in Kumatay death fight challenges that shit is foul as hell and not cool

[bhank]

One thing at a time.  First the 405 squat.

Sorry for wanting proper equipment first my bad

[IroNat]

Sorry for wanting proper equipment first my bad

No problem.

[joswift]

so you are expecting a dick delivery?

How apt...