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When we hear everybody complaining about conditions now, just remind yourself of what was tolerated on stage 20 years ago or so. Go to about 4:00 minutes into this video of Taylor, and observe those oil appendages on Ernie in 2001:
https://www.google.com/search?q=ernie+taylor+pump+room+video+2001&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:07883342,vid:RaZKDLKUA6s
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Stupid but he still has a small waist. Are the guys today injecting to make their waists and stomachs bigger?
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Earliest Synthol post I can find on Misc.Fitness.Weights (one of the earliest bodybuilding groups still online) is from Nov 1996 -
"I must admit that when I first heard about Synthol I was a little sceptical to say the least, but now I have seen the results. A friend has recently taken his arms from 20" to 21"'s in a period of 10 days.
The stuff needs to be injected daily directly into the muscle using a 22 gauge 1 and a half inch pin. He started using only 1ml a day per arm but increased the amount by another ml each day. He says his arms still feel 'normal' and he has observed no lack of fuctionality. He also says his bi's feel harder than ever and the sudden increase in size and subsequent skin tightness makes them look awsome.
The cost of this product is high and the potential problems are unknown for this reason I'd be interested in hearing from anyone else who has any experience with using this product."
It was met with discussions on whether it would be better to go Ferrigno style with Silicon.
By 1997 the genie was out of the bottle. Here's Dante "Dogg Crap" Trudel offering the low down on sources in Feb of 1997 -
"Hdcre1mscl
unread,
Feb 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM
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Just wanted to let the group know the answer to the question I get Emailed all the time--about Synthol (injectable oil-which has the effect of 2-3 inches on a bodypart in only 3 weeks or so) and it is supposed to andapparently does last from 3-5 years. Be careful if you get your hands on this stuff--many in Europe are using or have used it with no health hazards but you never know!!! this stuff works and it is going to revolutionize bodybuilding (I dont beleive in a good sense either)
Alot of pros and amateurs are just now getting their hands on the stuff--and just think how these daredevil and freaks are going to look with 3 inches or so on --bi's, tri's delts, calves. It can only be used in the USA as posing oil(wink, wink)-but I have heard from 5 guys who have used it and all are fanatic about it. Manfred Hoerbl--how come when your arm is straight the bicep still looks SO FULL AND FLEXED, and the Tricep is just enormous?!?!?!
ive seen the before shots and there is just no way!!! hmmmmmmmmm--could it be synthrol?LOL. Ask the guys from England from Chemical Warfare what they think about synthol (web page) Pauls up from 19 and a half inches to 21 and a half in 3 weeks, and Kerry went from 17 1/2 to 19 1/2 in 3 also. There should be 2-3 guys in the U.S. carrying the Synthol in the next couple months-but the only guy that I know now who has it is James from Labtec--1800-368-0729.
Synthol comes 100ml for 600 bucks-(ouch) but I guess 2-3 inches on your arms ina couple weeks sure beats the 5 years it would take otherwise. Like I said this stuff is sketchy-I would think you would have to be very careful-and though I heard it is starting to run rampant in Europe and there are no horror stories or problems-I would think asphyxiating so you dont go into a vein is very important. Like I said-it can only be used as a posing oil over here in the U.S.--James said anyone who calls him and says-Hardcore Muscle sent themgets a hundred bucks off-so it would only be 500 dollars.
Im not so sure if this product is completely problem free but Chris Clark-the manufacturer has told me he hasnt seen a problem yet. Be careful--this stuff is hitting the U.S. this year and the pros will no doubt go overboard with it. Jesus what happened to the Weider Principles for gains?!?!?!?!?!?!
Dante-HARDCORE MUSCLE MAGAZINE-619-414-1025 "the no bullshit bodybuilding mag" for the advanced bodybuilder that knows better-"I'll take a bullet for a friend and live with the schrapnel"
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Great find BB.
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Summer 1995. Manfred Hoeberl showed up at Golds Gym Venice. I was working that day. 23-25 inch arms- packed with “something we had never seen before.”
After he walked in and walked away- we all started laughing. We knew something was rotten, we just didn’t know what it was.
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Summer 1995. Manfred Hoeberl showed at Golds Gym Venice. I was working that day. 25 inch arms- packed with “something we had never seen before.”
After he walked in and walked away- we all started laughing. We knew something was rotten, we just didn’t know what.
At least he wasn’t all show.. he was definitely impressive at the Worlds Strongest Man competition. But the “I need to have the biggest arms in the world” mentality was quite odd. Most of the men in the Worlds Strongest Man competition didn’t think like that. Maybe Hoeberl was insecure.
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Earliest Synthol post I can find on Misc.Fitness.Weights (one of the earliest bodybuilding groups still online) is from Nov 1996 -
"I must admit that when I first heard about Synthol I was a little sceptical to say the least, but now I have seen the results. A friend has recently taken his arms from 20" to 21"'s in a period of 10 days.
The stuff needs to be injected daily directly into the muscle using a 22 gauge 1 and a half inch pin. He started using only 1ml a day per arm but increased the amount by another ml each day. He says his arms still feel 'normal' and he has observed no lack of fuctionality. He also says his bi's feel harder than ever and the sudden increase in size and subsequent skin tightness makes them look awsome.
The cost of this product is high and the potential problems are unknown for this reason I'd be interested in hearing from anyone else who has any experience with using this product."
It was met with discussions on whether it would be better to go Ferrigno style with Silicon.
By 1997 the genie was out of the bottle. Here's Dante "Dogg Crap" Trudel offering the low down on sources in Feb of 1997 -
"Hdcre1mscl
unread,
Feb 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM
to
Just wanted to let the group know the answer to the question I get Emailed all the time--about Synthol (injectable oil-which has the effect of 2-3 inches on a bodypart in only 3 weeks or so) and it is supposed to andapparently does last from 3-5 years. Be careful if you get your hands on this stuff--many in Europe are using or have used it with no health hazards but you never know!!! this stuff works and it is going to revolutionize bodybuilding (I dont beleive in a good sense either)
Alot of pros and amateurs are just now getting their hands on the stuff--and just think how these daredevil and freaks are going to look with 3 inches or so on --bi's, tri's delts, calves. It can only be used in the USA as posing oil(wink, wink)-but I have heard from 5 guys who have used it and all are fanatic about it. Manfred Hoerbl--how come when your arm is straight the bicep still looks SO FULL AND FLEXED, and the Tricep is just enormous?!?!?!
ive seen the before shots and there is just no way!!! hmmmmmmmmm--could it be synthrol?LOL. Ask the guys from England from Chemical Warfare what they think about synthol (web page) Pauls up from 19 and a half inches to 21 and a half in 3 weeks, and Kerry went from 17 1/2 to 19 1/2 in 3 also. There should be 2-3 guys in the U.S. carrying the Synthol in the next couple months-but the only guy that I know now who has it is James from Labtec--1800-368-0729.
Synthol comes 100ml for 600 bucks-(ouch) but I guess 2-3 inches on your arms ina couple weeks sure beats the 5 years it would take otherwise. Like I said this stuff is sketchy-I would think you would have to be very careful-and though I heard it is starting to run rampant in Europe and there are no horror stories or problems-I would think asphyxiating so you dont go into a vein is very important. Like I said-it can only be used as a posing oil over here in the U.S.--James said anyone who calls him and says-Hardcore Muscle sent themgets a hundred bucks off-so it would only be 500 dollars.
Im not so sure if this product is completely problem free but Chris Clark-the manufacturer has told me he hasnt seen a problem yet. Be careful--this stuff is hitting the U.S. this year and the pros will no doubt go overboard with it. Jesus what happened to the Weider Principles for gains?!?!?!?!?!?!
Dante-HARDCORE MUSCLE MAGAZINE-619-414-1025 "the no bullshit bodybuilding mag" for the advanced bodybuilder that knows better-"I'll take a bullet for a friend and live with the schrapnel"
Wow. Thanks for digging that stuff up. Good read.
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At least he wasn’t all show.. he was definitely impressive at the Worlds Strongest Man competition. But the “I need to have the biggest arms in the world” mentality was quite odd. Most of the men in the Worlds Strongest Man competition didn’t think like that. Maybe Hoeberl was insecure.
Yeah I read up his bio soon as BB posted that usenet info as tbh I wasn't even aware of the guy and it looks like he had a bad run of luck. Found one picture of him where he looks small and therefore useless to us, now. Stopped doing weight training after a series of car wrecks.
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Yeah I read up his bio soon as BB posted that usenet info as tbh I wasn't even aware of the guy and it looks like he had a bad run of luck. Found one picture of him where he looks small and therefore useless to us, now. Stopped doing weight training after a series of car wrecks.
Probably saved his life.
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I remember when MuscleMag ran a big story on Manfred in 98 or 99 with his 25” arms, thought it was weird since he kept insisting that mri or x Ray would show all real muscle ::)
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greg valvolino is the godfather
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I think for mainstream bodybuilding use, late 96 is it. Tommy's post about Hoeberl made me check MFW for some more stuff. In Summer of 96, it was still thought that he was doing something with silicon. Writers and gym goers in the US and Europe were still secretly checking his biceps for scars, etc.... at shows and at the gym.
The most common thing they thought it was, was micro injections of silicone in the muscle, which was something Bruce Nadler was pushing at the time. Nadler would later kill himself and his wife a little while after his surgical career went south.
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What about Esiclene? Wasn't it an inflamatory oil?
Was it like a more painfull version of propionates?
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greg valvolino is the godfather
I don’t think he used synthol I think he used straight up oil and the low dosed 50mg/ml EQ.
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What about Esiclene? Wasn't it an inflamatory oil?
Was it like a more painfull version of propionates?
Esiclene was a water based steroid that caused a ton of inflammation from lymphatic fluid build up . The volume of shots probably has something to do with it too. All of the stuff I remember people doing at the time were micro doses and 40-100 shots.
I'll keep quiet now, as I have no real experience with it.
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You got to be a jackass to shoot anything into your arms I don’t care if it’s gear or dead oil don’t stick pins in your arms you are just looking for trouble
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You got to be a jackass to shoot anything into your arms I don’t care if it’s gear or dead oil don’t stick pins in your arms you are just looking for trouble
Bitch you are the biggest jackass on this entire site. Lmfao. You stick gear in your glutes and delts right? Pinning your biceps and triceps with gear is the same shit.....called intramuscular injections you dumb bitch.You are the biggest bitch I've ever seen. Complaining on the internet about how another man is bullying you and your family.....lmfao. Do something about it then since you're so big and bad.....lol Get the fuck outta here already with your bitch ass....take your boyfriend V Goodrum with you
In before bitch hanks makes a thread about how he is being bullied by other men....oh wait nevermind the bitch has already done it about Josh. Haha
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Bitch you are the biggest jackass on this entire site. Lmfao. You stick gear in your glutes and delts right? Pinning your biceps and triceps with gear is the same shit.....called intramuscular injections you dumb bitch.You are the biggest bitch I've ever seen. Complaining on the internet about how another man is bullying you and your family.....lmfao. Do something about it then since you're so big and bad.....lol Get the fuck outta here already with your bitch ass....take your boyfriend V Goodrum with you
In before bitch hanks makes a thread about how he is being bullied by other men....oh wait nevermind the bitch has already done it about Josh. Haha
No I don’t I have actually covered that previously delt shots are also retarded and unnecessary. I didn’t complain that I was being bullied I said Josh is a scumbag who contacts people he doesn’t know to talk dirty to them and anyone who supports that behavior is as well. What am I supposed to do fly to Canada and murder a 60 year old man with Parkinson’s? I won’t even make it back to the US. Dude is embarrassing himself not me
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Esiclene was a water based steroid that caused a ton of inflammation from lymphatic fluid build up . The volume of shots probably has something to do with it too. All of the stuff I remember people doing at the time were micro doses and 40-100 shots.
I'll keep quiet now, as I have no real experience with it.
Pretty much spot on. Esiclene was never cost effective.
As mentioned- lots of solution was required and lots of injections… and lots of money. Did guys use it? Oh ya. But nobody loved it- except perhaps Kevin L.
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I did the Eastern USA in NYC and there was a huge Black guy with an almost perfect physique but he had a humongous amount of Synthol in his rear delts.....to me it fucked up his whole look and he was jacked.......they looked retarded.
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Summer 1995. Manfred Hoeberl showed up at Golds Gym Venice. I was working that day. 23-25 inch arms- packed with “something we had never seen before.”
After he walked in and walked away- we all started laughing. We knew something was rotten, we just didn’t know what it was.
His arms looked like loafs of bread.
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During the early days, men were actually drinking it for bigger arms instead of injecting
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When you Google Manfred he is on the cover of a magazine and it says “10 minutes to big arms.”
Sounds about right..
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greg valvolino is the godfather
I could listen to his stories all day long.
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I could listen to his stories all day long.
He had a really nice build pre-Synthol.
Met him in Connecticut......not a bad guy from what I saw of him,but I could never get with his Synthol use......geezus it looked fucking dumb and had to cause health problems.
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He had a really nice build pre-Synthol.
Met him in Connecticut......not a bad guy from what I saw of him,but I could never get with his Synthol use......geezus it looked fucking dumb and had to cause health problems.
He definitely got attention.
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He definitely got attention.
Yeah and he was very loud and boisterous,almost to the point of being obnoxious,but he`s a NYC guy so that`s almost normal for people from there.
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When you Google Manfred he is on the cover of a magazine and it says “10 minutes to big arms.”
Sounds about right..
;D
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He definitely looks mentally ill here
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Ernie Taylor and those crazy triceps. When I first saw them I didn't know what the fuck was going on, thought perhaps he has tremendous genetics for triceps!
Most synthol looks like absolute shit, they always overdo it and you can tell immediately. Must be some pros that use it just right and you can't tell but who knows?
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He definitely looks mentally ill here
He looks koo koo for Cocoa Puffs for sure! ;D
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Yea same but then we knew no different back then.
Also thought Manfreds arms were insane but even noticed then they lacked vascularity.
I remember him saying he was compared to arnold and he'd say but my muscles are much bigger than his. Well now we know his actual muscles weren't, delusional.
Ernie Taylor and those crazy triceps. When I first saw them I didn't know what the fuck was going on, thought perhaps he has tremendous genetics for triceps!
Most synthol looks like absolute shit, they always overdo it and you can tell immediately. Must be some pros that use it just right and you can't tell but who knows?
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Ernie Taylor and those crazy triceps. When I first saw them I didn't know what the fuck was going on, thought perhaps he has tremendous genetics for triceps!
Most synthol looks like absolute shit, they always overdo it and you can tell immediately. Must be some pros that use it just right and you can't tell but who knows?
Maybe a person or two tells them it looks weird, but there are more than enough spectators, fanboys, schmoes, etc. that give all kinds of positive feedback. Look at those two dudes oiling Ernie’s arms at 4:15 minutes in the video like it is the most normal, impressive thing in the world.
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He definitely looks mentally ill here
This might’ve been before his synthol use. Looks natural here. Hard work
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This might’ve been before his synthol use. Looks natural here. Hard work
definately oil there
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Yea same but then we knew no different back then.
Also thought Manfreds arms were insane but even noticed then they lacked vascularity.
I remember him saying he was compared to arnold and he'd say but my muscles are much bigger than his. Well now we know his actual muscles weren't, delusional.
I don`t care how big his fake arms were he wasn`t worthy to even carry Arnolds gym bag.
What a douche to even compare himself in any way to Arnold.
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definately oil there
You’re wrong, bucko. Work your arms HARD for 10 minutes a day. Come back here in a month and post your guns to prove me right
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He was austrian too.. ;D
I don`t care how big his fake arms were he wasn`t worthy to even carry Arnolds gym bag.
What a douche to even compare himself in any way to Arnold.
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He was austrian too.. ;D
The Austrian Oak vs. The Austrian Oil Rig
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Summer 1995. Manfred Hoeberl showed up at Golds Gym Venice. I was working that day. 23-25 inch arms- packed with “something we had never seen before.”
After he walked in and walked away- we all started laughing. We knew something was rotten, we just didn’t know what it was.
TWB did you ever work there when John Cena worked front desk ??
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Pretty much spot on. Esiclene was never cost effective.
As mentioned- lots of solution was required and lots of injections… and lots of money. Did guys use it? Oh ya. But nobody loved it- except perhaps Kevin L.
I remember an old interview where Flex said he tried using it a few times pre contest in his delts but it made him pass out each time he started the injection process. He said for delts, you had to do about 20 small injections in a "T" formation to get a balanced look at at some point of the process he would just fall over and pass out.
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I remember an old interview where Flex said he tried using it a few times pre contest in his delts but it made him pass out each time he started the injection process. He said for delts, you had to do about 20 small injections in a "T" formation to get a balanced look at at some point of the process he would just fall over and pass out.
Hey, he’s a human just like us. He puts his thong on one leg at a time
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Hey, he’s a human just like us. He puts his thong on one leg at a time
I see what you did there !! :D