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I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but the events of 2001 always seemed questionable to me. In the same way that the events of the 2008 financial crisis seemed questionable.
A Conspiracy Theory:
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I know it was about more than two buildings coming down.
It seemed to signal a shift in the world far beyond any terror organization has with USA.
The world changed that day and not for the better. The trickle down effect has left us with retards in elected positions and every generation since is more weak and mentally ill. It also began the divisiveness that defines our country today. It also began the blatantly left-biased MSM.
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The beginning of the surveilance state.
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This statement was given by rumsfeld one day before the terror attacks:
On September 10, 2001, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld gave a Speech on DoD Acquisition and Logistics where he famously stated that the Pentagon could not track $2.3 trillion in financial transactions.
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The core facts regarding this statement clarify what happened:
The Core Issue: The missing $2.3 trillion did not represent actual "stolen" or "lost" cash. It referred to unverified ledger transactions and systemic accounting errors caused by the Pentagon's use of dozens of incompatible and obsolete computer systems.
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The "Unaccounted For" Amount: Some estimates suggest roughly $2.3 trillion in Department of Defense transactions lacked the necessary documentation or proper receipts required by standard accounting practices at the time.
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Context of the Speech: Rumsfeld was not attempting to break a new scandal on the eve of the 9/11 attacks; he was using the $2.3 trillion figure to illustrate the inefficiency of the Pentagon bureaucracy to a group of financial managers. He cited the fact as proof that the military's financial infrastructure needed an urgent overhaul.
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Broader Implications: For decades, the Pentagon has notoriously struggled with its financial audits. While this lack of paper trails and "unaccounted for" data does not explicitly mean the funds were stolen, experts highlight that poor bookkeeping makes it dramatically easier to hide fraud and waste within defense
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NEVER FORGET
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Chronic 2001
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I feel the Israelis had foreknowledge, at the least.
It also began the divisiveness that defines our country today. It also began the blatantly left-biased MSM.
Also the neoconservative movement was turbocharged. These jews were leftists who became "conservative." The movement has informed US foreign policy and the deep state continues with the policies under Trump as well.
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I know it was about more than two buildings coming down.
Third also. But it was just a show of solidarity for its two taller brethen who fell before.
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Third also. But it was just a show of solidarity for it two taller brethen who fell before.
Yes, Building #7 gives it away.
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NEVER FORGET
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^^^ He was certainly cheering.
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Third also. But it was just a show of solidarity for its two taller brethen who fell before.
Yes, Building #7 gives it away.
All three buildings were detonated the same way and fell flat.
If you look at how the World Trade Centers were constructed, there's no reason they should have fallen do to a 767 crashing into them.
To me it's as plane as day the narrative they have created of the fires causing the trusses to sag and fail is false. These buildings were built with a tube in tube design and it's the tubes that keep them up. The floors and trusses are just along for the ride. Neither the outer tube nor the inner tube were structurally damaged by the impact.
Even more bazaar is they're saying it's the connection point which was a plate with a bolt that failed. So It's either the plate that failed, or the bolt. A bolts are made out of heat treated steel, so it wasn't the bolt that sheared. That leaves the plate. They're saying a bolt sheared a thick steel plate because of a fire. It just makes no sense.
I just find it odd that no engineers are stepping forward to day this narrative makes no sense. These World Trade centers were built like tanks. A low temperate smoky black fire is not going to take them down.
767 aren't large airplanes they seat seven across with a 2-3-2 seating configuration. The planes were more than half empty and were flying from Boston to LA, so they really didn't have much fuel. Typically airlines put only slightly more fuel than is needed for the flight and 3000 miles is not a long flight.
This is so false. They actually have the fuselage going through the building and hitting the inner core columns.
A 767 fuselage is just a giant aluminum tube. When that fuselage hit the boxed steel beams it crumpled like a tin can. Aluminum is a very soft metal with no where near the same strength as steel. It was like an aluminum can hitting a steel I beam.
Also, all the fuel in an aircraft is in the wings and sit between two aluminum beams called spars. This means the majority of the fuel didn't make it into the building because the spar hit the boxed columns. This is why you see the fuel igniting outside the building. Most of the fuel and heat couldn't make it through the 18 inch spaces between the columns and fell to the ground igniting in a ball of fire.
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Even if jet fuel burned with higher temperature it would burn out quickly.
Yes. Just google imeges from aeroplanes with bird strikes. A seagull can damage the very tip of the fuselage, but still they went through steel and inches of glass like nothing.
Even the wings 😄
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I just find it odd that no engineers are stepping forward to day this narrative makes no sense.
"Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth) is an American non-profit organization that promotes the conspiracy theory that the World Trade Center buildings were destroyed via controlled demolition. Founded in 2006 by architect Richard Gage, the group disputes the official scientific consensus regarding the events of September 11, 2001.
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth states that it has gathered nearly 3,500 verified architects and engineers among its total base of approximately 16,000 signatory supporters calling for a new investigation."
I can't speak to the matter not being an engineer myself obviously but remembered this :D
However, another non-engineer did have an opinion:
"Donald Trump has repeatedly expressed disbelief that the planes alone could have brought down the towers, suggesting the structural integrity of the World Trade Center was so strong that explosives must have been used.
His specific comments and theories regarding the towers' construction include:
Heavy Steel Exterior: Trump has frequently described the Twin Towers as "unbelievably powerful" buildings with a unique structural design. Unlike most skyscrapers that use interior steel support structures, he highlighted that the World Trade Center featured heavy steel on the exterior, which he considered to be the strongest possible construction."
But he's done nothing about it since being president. What does it suggest, if anything?
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However, another non-engineer did have an opinion:
"Donald Trump has repeatedly expressed disbelief that the planes alone could have brought down the towers, suggesting the structural integrity of the World Trade Center was so strong that explosives must have been used.
His specific comments and theories regarding the towers' construction include:
Heavy Steel Exterior: Trump has frequently described the Twin Towers as "unbelievably powerful" buildings with a unique structural design. Unlike most skyscrapers that use interior steel support structures, he highlighted that the World Trade Center featured heavy steel on the exterior, which he considered to be the strongest possible construction."
But he's done nothing about it since being president. What does it suggest, if anything?
He may not be an engineer, but he's had many working for him and he's built quite a few tall buildings and is very familiar with how they're built.
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From AE911Truth:
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"Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth) is an American non-profit organization that promotes the conspiracy theory that the World Trade Center buildings were destroyed via controlled demolition. Founded in 2006 by architect Richard Gage, the group disputes the official scientific consensus regarding the events of September 11, 2001.
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth states that it has gathered nearly 3,500 verified architects and engineers among its total base of approximately 16,000 signatory supporters calling for a new investigation."
I can't speak to the matter not being an engineer myself obviously but remembered this :D
However, another non-engineer did have an opinion:
"Donald Trump has repeatedly expressed disbelief that the planes alone could have brought down the towers, suggesting the structural integrity of the World Trade Center was so strong that explosives must have been used.
His specific comments and theories regarding the towers' construction include:
Heavy Steel Exterior: Trump has frequently described the Twin Towers as "unbelievably powerful" buildings with a unique structural design. Unlike most skyscrapers that use interior steel support structures, he highlighted that the World Trade Center featured heavy steel on the exterior, which he considered to be the strongest possible construction."
But he's done nothing about it since being president. What does it suggest, if anything?
Thanks. I found a link.
https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/near-free-fall-acceleration (https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/near-free-fall-acceleration)
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Direct Evidence of Explosions:
https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/explosive-features (https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/explosive-features)
90,000 tons of concrete in each of the Twin Towers were pulverized in midair. Their steel structures were almost entirely dismembered and ejected up to 500 feet in all directions at speeds up to 70 mph
Dozens of eyewitnesses observed molten metal in the debris of both Twin Towers. Molten metal was also observed pouring out of the South Tower continuously during the seven minutes leading up to its collapse.
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Explosions | World Trade Center Building 7
https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/explosions (https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/explosions)
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The true controversy of 2001, Should Jay Have Won?
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All the Signature Features of
Controlled Demolition:
Sudden onset:
The roofline of WTC 7 went from being stationary to being in free fall in approximately one-half
second.
Rapidity:
The roofline of WTC 7 fell to the ground in less than seven seconds.
Free fall:
For 2.25 seconds of its descent, WTC 7 fell at the rate of gravity over a distance of eight stories, meaning that the lower structure of the building provided no resistance whatsoever.
Totality:
The entire structure of WTC 7 collapsed to the ground, leaving no sections of the building standing.
Symmetry:
WTC 7 fell directly downward through what had been the path of greatest resistance, with the debris deposited mostly inside the building’s footprint. Explosions and
window breakage:
Vertical sequences of explosions and window breakage could be seen running up the north face of
WTC 7 as it began to collapse.
Dismemberment:
The steel frame of WTC 7 was almost entirely dismembered.
Pulverization:
Most of WTC 7’s concrete was pulverized to a consistency of sand and gravel.
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I always found it odd how yes a plane crashed into 2 separate towers but they collapsed identically and symmetrically. You'd expect differences in how they collapsed atleast.
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The true controversy of 2001, Should Jay Have Won?
The real twin towers.
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The only one that leaves me wondering how and why it fell is 7. I suppose it could have been compromised by the two 100 story buildings next to it falling though.
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The only one that leaves me wondering how and why it fell is 7. I suppose it could have been compromised by the two 100 story buildings next to it falling though.
You're seriously saying you have no questions about how the twin towers fell?
That's the thing I find so disturbing. There are hundreds of millions of Americans that have completely accepted the story about how the twin towers fell.
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I know it was about more than two buildings coming down.
It seemed to signal a shift in the world far beyond any terror organization has with USA.
The world changed that day and not for the better. The trickle down effect has left us with retards in elected positions and every generation since is more weak and mentally ill. It also began the divisiveness that defines our country today. It also began the blatantly left-biased MSM.
Not really. For the next 2 years, the media bent over backwards being patriotic and kissing Bush's retarded ass.
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Not really. For the next 2 years, the media bent over backwards being patriotic and kissing Bush's retarded ass.
I really noticed the medias left turn when the gay president got into office. I think that was the start of a ton of race baiting and the whole gender bullshit all going mainstream.
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I really noticed the medias left turn when the gay president got into office. I think that was the start of a ton of race baiting and the whole gender bullshit all going mainstream.
I think when Keith Olbermann took over 8pm on MSNBC he really opened peoples eyes to what was going on with Iraq and Afghanistan and from there it just snowballed.
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I think when Keith Olbermann took over 8pm on MSNBC he really opened peoples eyes to what was going on with Iraq and Afghanistan and from there it just snowballed.
Probably. Around that time I was still living on the fringes and not paying attention to most of society.
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I think when Keith Olbermann took over 8pm on MSNBC he really opened peoples eyes to what was going on with Iraq and Afghanistan and from there it just snowballed.
Very few watched his show.
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You're seriously saying you have no questions about how the twin towers fell?
That's the thing I find so disturbing. There are hundreds of millions of Americans that have completely accepted the story about how the twin towers fell.
Questions? Sure. But, I have a pretty strong knowledge of how to deconstruct a building and have spoken to controlled demolition experts who do it for a living, and don’t believe the CT’s surrounding the towers. Buildings, once compromised, can come down easy. Those towers were built for space, clear span floors with all the support on the outer steel cage and the interior elevator shafts. Once the exterior was compromised and all that jet fuel ran into the last part with any integrity, and ran down and heated the steel, it was over. Once the levels give out it’s a domino affect and the free fall begins.
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Very few watched his show.
Simply untrue.
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No questions about #1 in my mind.
Do people still think Cutler should have won?
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If they had been able to pull this off they never would have let Trump get elected much less again.
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Experts Speak Out:
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Bin Laden wanted to bankrupt the West
It cost $500k to bring down the twin towers, the USA spent $500 billion in its retaliation
He planned short quick and cheap attacks and then retire to a sfe place... not safe enough unfortunatly
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Simply untrue.
His ratings were terrible. Bill O'reilly had 10X the viewers on FoxNews.
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His ratings were terrible. Bill O'reilly had 10X the viewers on FoxNews.
It's not the point. The point is/was that he was the 1st member of the mainstream media to harshly critique the atrocity of invading Iraq.
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If they had been able to pull this off they never would have let Trump get elected much less again.
Conspiracy theory: they let Trump win because he decided to keep his mouth shut about 9/11.
Not really serious about that. But back to what I asked earlier, either Trump realized he was wrong or he keeps the inside job secret. I think it's possible that the towers came down as the official narrative claims although I think it's possible it was "let happen."
BTW, if elections are always fixed or at least can be, as the conspiracy theorists claim, why did they let Trump win? I have another crazy conspiracy theory: Trump is the Deep State. Just look at what he's done wrt Russia and how he's in the pocket of The Tribe. These points are hard to argue I think. I mean just as an example, Trump just told Zelenskiiyy that he can build the Patriots in Ukraine. The Deep State decided decades ago that Russia must fall. Was it just performative theater when he chewed out Z at the WH and said Ukraine started the war and that Ukraine can't win or has he since been unable to say no to the Deep State?
Please no name calling, totally serious bro questions
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Conspiracy theory: they let Trump win because he decided to keep his mouth shut about 9/11.
Not really serious about that. But back to what I asked earlier, either Trump realized he was wrong or he keeps the inside job secret. I think it's possible that the towers came down as the official narrative claims although I think it's possible it was "let happen."
BTW, if elections are always fixed or at least can be, as the conspiracy theorists claim, why did they let Trump win? I have another crazy conspiracy theory: Trump is the Deep State. Just look at what he's done wrt Russia and how he's in the pocket of The Tribe. These points are hard to argue I think. I mean just as an example, Trump just told Zelenskiiyy that he can build the Patriots in Ukraine. The Deep State decided decades ago that Russia must fall. Was it just performative theater when he chewed out Z at the WH and said Ukraine started the war and that Ukraine can't win or has he since been unable to say no to the Deep State?
Please no name calling, totally serious bro questions
These points are not hard to argue, look at the entire structure of the American MSM, the political establishment class (Dem and Rep both), the federal judiciary, Academia, and practically all previously "venerable" institutions in the US arrayed against him constantly, but Yeah he's the Deep State. He's in the tank for them, that's why they threw out practically all the rules in an effort to stop him getting re-elected in 2024.
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It's not the point. The point is/was that he was the 1st member of the mainstream media to harshly critique the atrocity of invading Iraq.
True, but he was against everything Republicans did so he was bound to be right some time like the broken clock.
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If Trump somehow pulls out the midterms then I’ll be convinced he’s a time-traveler
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You're seriously saying you have no questions about how the twin towers fell?
That's the thing I find so disturbing. There are hundreds of millions of Americans that have completely accepted the story about how the twin towers fell.
Two airliners flew into them at hundreds of miles an hour. 300,000lbs x 500mph is a shitload of energy concentrated into a relatively small area. Is totally within the realm of possibility that it would bring down a skyscraper.
Is it possible that they rigged the towers up with explosives? Sure, but seems less likely than the possibility that flying two commercial airplanes at high speed would collapse a skyscraper. Plus if they were gonna rig it with explosives, why bother with the hijackings?
WTC 7, flight 93, and the pentagon seem more suspicious to me, personally
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Two airliners flew into them at hundreds of miles an hour. 300,000lbs x 500mph is a shitload of energy concentrated into a relatively small area.
WTC 7, flight 93, and the pentagon seem more suspicious to me, personally
Google bird strikes on 747. Those are fucking seagulls smashing the front of fuselage and windscreens.
There is no way that those aluminium alloy wing would just glide right thru solid steed beams and structural glass.
Image that if the plane would be stationary and you swatted it with this huge skyscraper. What would happen. The plade would explode to pieces and debris would fly everywhere.
Not plane imbedding itself to the building.
Building 7, Flight93 are giveaways. Pentagon had a fuselage hole, not even holes for 8metric ton steel engines at wings.
Flight 93 left hardly any debris. Because it sunk into earth. Look at any crash site pics. It just won’t happen.
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Google bird strikes on 747. Those are fucking seagulls smashing the front of fuselage and windscreens.
There is no way that those aluminium alloy wing would just glide right thru solid steed beams and structural glass.
Image that if the plane would be stationary and you swatted it with this huge skyscraper. What would happen. The plade would explode to pieces and debris would fly everywhere.
Not plane imbedding itself to the building.
Building 7, Flight93 are giveaways. Pentagon had a fuselage hole, not even holes for 8metric ton steel engines at wings.
Flight 93 left hardly any debris. Because it sunk into earth. Look at any crash site pics. It just won’t happen.
Absolutely spot on. I do not understand why folk cant fathom that out.
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I think 9/11 is the limit of people being able to understand things. Too easy post-9/11 to fool enough with junk nonsense theories and too many crooks and grifters and dishonest media to ever be able to relegate the idiots to “the fringe” anymore.
Too many like Hankins, living a lie/fantasy online on other people’s money.
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These points are not hard to argue, look at the entire structure of the American MSM, the political establishment class (Dem and Rep both), the federal judiciary, Academia, and practically all previously "venerable" institutions in the US arrayed against him constantly, but Yeah he's the Deep State. He's in the tank for them, that's why they threw out practically all the rules in an effort to stop him getting re-elected in 2024.
I was saying that wrt Russia and Israel specifically he's behaved exactly in line with the Deep State. Those specific points are hard to argue I think. And many would say those foreign policy issues are the real consequential issues that matter to the DS aka Permanent State, the cultural LGBTQ stuff and whatever is just inconsequential ridiculous fluff. As you know many of his most fervent supporters turned against him for continuing the same old Deep State government policies. He's surrounded and influenced by the same old neocons and the Jewish donors and Bibi and so on so I think it's hard to argue that he has managed to drain the swamp, or do you feel he has done that?
The idea behind the Deep State "conspiracy theory" states that the exact president chosen doesn't really matter, that there are levels above the puppet or front man.
Absolutely spot on. I do not understand why folk cant fathom that out.
Ok let's say it's obvious the official story is fake and gay. What necessarily follows is that since Trump now has had access to all secret information about 9/11 for two terms in office he's now evidently lying about it, or at least keeping his mouth shut about it. If there's such a thing as a Deep State that conspires against the populace through various schemes and psy-ops then Trump is it. You feel me? :D
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I think 9/11 is the limit of people being able to understand things. Too easy post-9/11 to fool enough with junk nonsense theories and too many crooks and grifters and dishonest media to ever be able to relegate the idiots to “the fringe” anymore.
Too many like Hankins, living a lie/fantasy online on other people’s money.
Many feel the government/Deep State itself poisons the well and inserts various conspiracy theories into the debate so that many dismiss all conspiracy theories, real conspiracies, as kookery :D
These people claim the term "conspiracy theory" was actually coined by the CIA through a conspiracy LOL, as a term with which you can dismiss off hand all even legit criticism of the official line.
But I agree with you largely. Like people were willing to believe directed energy weapons in the case of 9/11, nanobots in the vaxx or exploding mike and Egyptian planes in the Charlie Kirk killing. When real conspiracies should be enough, like the population replacement conspiracy or the Jewish control of US foreign policy, as Nick Fuentes has been saying. With 9/11 IMO there have been several related conspiracies though, no need to grab onto ridiculous stuff like the planes being holograms.
My idea is to always ask how many people would necessarily need to be involved in a given conspiracy and could they all keep it secret?
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Two airliners flew into them at hundreds of miles an hour. 300,000lbs x 500mph is a shitload of energy concentrated into a relatively small area. Is totally within the realm of possibility that it would bring down a skyscraper.
Is it possible that they rigged the towers up with explosives? Sure, but seems less likely than the possibility that flying two commercial airplanes at high speed would collapse a skyscraper. Plus if they were gonna rig it with explosives, why bother with the hijackings?
WTC 7, flight 93, and the pentagon seem more suspicious to me, personally
The official report says the towers fell because of the fire softening the trusses allowing the outer columns to bow outwards. This is the first time in history a fire has cause a steel building to collapse. The report also states the fire was the result of the flame retardant office furniture setting on fire.
The fires were oxygen starved and you can tell that by the black smoke. They weren't burning very hot. You can hold a 750 degree flame under a steel beam forever and it won't soften which is why barque grills don't soften because of the heat.
Almost all of the fuel was burned outside the the building with the huge fireball on impact. The fuel tanks ruptured and the intense heat generated by impact ignited it immediately in the presence of abundant oxygen. Heat rises, so all the heat was expelled outside the building. The fire inside the building was simply not hot enough to soften the trusses.
At no point did the investigators look for explosives.
Infrared showed temperatures inside the rubble of over 1200 degrees yet there is no oxygen in there to allow for combustion. Thermite would allow this because thermite has it's own oxygen source. It's basically a give away that thermite was used to cut the columns.
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The official report says the towers fell because of the fire softening the trusses allowing the outer columns to bow outwards. This is the first time in history a fire has cause a steel building to collapse. The report also states the fire was the result of the flame retardant office furniture setting on fire.
It burned because after they started building it, asbestos was outlawed in construction and they used bullshit fireproofing on the beams. You can literally see it in the rubble piles where the bottom floor steel was uncompromised
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Highly experienced high rise building designer interview. This guy is an expert he know his stuff inside and out.
@2:40 he describes the exterior construction the goes on to say "those planes were shredded the moment they started into the building". Which is exactly what I was thinking when I saw the building design.
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^^^ "Conspiracy theorists" prove to be right more often than not.
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Google bird strikes on 747. Those are fucking seagulls smashing the front of fuselage and windscreens.
There is no way that those aluminium alloy wing would just glide right thru solid steed beams and structural glass.
Image that if the plane would be stationary and you swatted it with this huge skyscraper. What would happen. The plade would explode to pieces and debris would fly everywhere.
Not plane imbedding itself to the building.
Building 7, Flight93 are giveaways. Pentagon had a fuselage hole, not even holes for 8metric ton steel engines at wings.
Flight 93 left hardly any debris. Because it sunk into earth. Look at any crash site pics. It just won’t happen.
Obviously the planes got destroyed, I’m not saying the planes cut the towers in half.
Regardless - 300,000lbs of ANYTHING smashing into a structure at 500mph is going to compromise structural integrity to a massive degree. A steel tower isn’t designed to withstand those kinds of lateral forces. Compromised structural elements weakened by a fire (750F fire will ruin the heat treatment and soften the steel) and its pretty easy to imagine how the plane collisions could cause the collapse of those towers
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Obviously the planes got destroyed, I’m not saying the planes cut the towers in half.
Regardless - 300,000lbs of ANYTHING smashing into a structure at 500mph is going to compromise structural integrity to a massive degree. A steel tower isn’t designed to withstand those kinds of lateral forces. Compromised structural elements weakened by a fire (750F fire will ruin the heat treatment and soften the steel) and its pretty easy to imagine how the plane collisions could cause the collapse of those towers
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-3FQtZnk2A[/youtube
Calmly & factually counter what he says in this video - he makes a lot of very valid points
About the design & structure of these buildings.
He wants answers as the 'official' narrative doesn't add up.
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Obviously the planes got destroyed, I’m not saying the planes cut the towers in half.
Regardless - 300,000lbs of ANYTHING smashing into a structure at 500mph is going to compromise structural integrity to a massive degree. A steel tower isn’t designed to withstand those kinds of lateral forces.
These buildings were specifically designed to withstand the impact of a Boeing 707 which has a maximum takeoff weight of 330,000 pounds, which is actually higher that the 767-200. These buildings were designed to take the impact of a plane the size of the 767.
Compromised structural elements weakened by a fire (750F fire will ruin the heat treatment and soften the steel) and its pretty easy to imagine how the plane collisions could cause the collapse of those towers
None of the structural elements of this building were heat treated. Heat treating is expensive and can result in a brittle material. The chemical properties of the steel give it it's strength along with the rolling and forming processes when manufacturing. You can put a cast iron pan in a hot oven and it doesn't weaken it.
All of the exterior columns on these buildings on the floor that was hit used .375" thick steel and the fuselage of the 767 uses .063" Aluminum.
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These buildings were specifically designed to withstand the impact of a Boeing 707 which has a maximum takeoff weight of 330,000 pounds, which is actually higher that the 767-200. These buildings were designed to take the impact of a plane the size of the 767.
None of the structural elements of this building were heat treated. Heat treating is expensive and can result in a brittle material. The chemical properties of the steel give it it's strength along with the rolling and forming processes when manufacturing. You can put a cast iron pan in a hot oven and it doesn't weaken it.
All of the exterior columns on these buildings on the floor that was hit used .375" thick steel and the fuselage of the 767 uses .063" Aluminum.
Your last sentence doesn’t necessarily hold up. It’s not like it was a spit ball, it was a 300,000 pound object hitting a building.
I once shot a potato through my grandmothers garage sheathing that was made out of T-111. Is wood harder than a potato or was it that it was traveling a few hundred miles an hour?
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Your last sentence doesn’t necessarily hold up. It’s not like it was a spit ball, it was a 300,000 pound object hitting a building.
I once shot a potato through my grandmothers garage sheathing that was made out of T-111. Is wood harder than a potato or was it that it was traveling a few hundred miles an hour?
Aircraft aren't designed to be a battering ram. It may be 300,000 pounds, but it has a structural skin that's only 0.063" thick. It also has a height of 17'9" meaning it's not just hitting one floor, it's hitting two floors.
It's hitting five vertical columns, three horizontal beams, and two steel reinforce concrete slabs and it's only 0.063" thick. It was just shredded.
I think explosives were used to take the building down and were also used on the impact zone. It's the number of columns they show cut as well as how they were cut. The ends of the wings would not be able to cut through the columns and it's showing they were cut right through. They used massive amounts of explosives and massive amounts of Thermite on all three buildings.
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Aircraft aren't designed to be a battering ram. It may be 300,000 pounds, but it has a structural skin that's only 0.063" thick. It also has a height of 17'9" meaning it's not just hitting one floor, it's hitting two floors.
It's hitting five vertical columns, three horizontal beams, and two steel reinforce concrete slabs and it's only 0.063" thick. It was just shredded.
Are you saying 300,000#'s of 1/16" thick aluminum, steel and fuel traveling at close to 500mph didn't cause any damage?
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Are you saying 300,000#'s of 1/16" thick aluminum, steel and fuel traveling at close to 500mph didn't cause any damage?
No, I'm saying the front of the fuselage crumpled on impact like the crumple zone in a car, but even more so. When it hit the wing box and engines, and wing spars it ran into some heavy material. Engine are cast and weigh about 20,000 pound.
The absolute heart of the matter is the first thing that went down when the first tower collapsed was the antenna at the top. That's critical because that was bolted to all the strong center columns in the middle of the buildings. It free fell meaning all those massive columns had no resistance. That can only happen if they were detonated and cut using Thermite. It was the design engineer of the building that was questioning how that was possible.
This was an expert job and I believe they used explosive and Thermite on the impact zone as well.
The smoking gun is how fast it fell with no resistance from the massive steel columns below.
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No, I'm saying the front of the fuselage crumpled on impact like the crumple zone in a car, but even more so.
So there is no thicker support/bracing behind the fuselage?
For the record I question the official narrative all day but to minimize the damage cause by 300,000+lbs moving at 500mph and the subsequent fire that burned for an hour to an hour and a half would be dismissive.
Question for you...how many people would it take to run all that thermite in 3(?) buildings? Who would detonate that? Where are the installers or even the manufacturers that sell thermite to talk about the increase in sales?
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So there is no thicker support/bracing behind the fuselage?
For the record I question the official narrative all day but to minimize the damage cause by 300,000+lbs moving at 500mph and the subsequent fire that burned for an hour to an hour and a half would be dismissive.
Question for you...how many people would it take to run all that thermite in 3(?) buildings? Who would detonate that? Where are the installers or even the manufacturers that sell thermite to talk about the increase in sales?
It's a monocoque design where the external skin supports the load. There are also frames and stringers, but their primary job keep the shape of the skin. Any deformation in the shape of the skin compromises the fuselage. If you took a sledge hammer and dented a section of the skin, the plane would not be able to fly.
On impact the skin is taking the majority of the load. The deformation would be immediate just taking a sledge hammer to an empty beer can.
This link shows what the frames and stringers look like on a commercial airplane.
https://www.cnet.com/pictures/the-great-boeing-metal-airplane-shop-pictures/ (https://www.cnet.com/pictures/the-great-boeing-metal-airplane-shop-pictures/)
Every column on every floor of every building needed to be cut. This was a huge operation. All three buildings were "instrumented" for insurance purposes. Cases were rolled into the building and never seen again.
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As I mentioned before both towers fell identically, I don't know what went on but what's the chances of 2 structures collapsing the same. I feel like it should have been messy, like why not one side give out more and one side stay up while the other plummets, just looked too perfect and symmetrical
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Every column on every floor of every building needed to be cut. This was a huge operation. All three buildings were "instrumented" for insurance purposes. Cases were rolled into the building and never seen again.
Who did all of that cutting? Who planted the explosives? Who set the explosives off? The preparation would have taken what months? A year? It would have involved dozens of people? Thousands of pounds of thermite per building? All of that, all of the people involved to orchestrate and implement that and who has stepped forward to claim they were involved in rigging any of that up?
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As I mentioned before both towers fell identically, I don't know what went on but what's the chances of 2 structures collapsing the same. I feel like it should have been messy, like why not one side give out more and one side stay up while the other plummets, just looked too perfect and symmetrical
It's so obvious now but almost everyone believed the story in real time.
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So there is no thicker support/bracing behind the fuselage?
https://nypost.com/2017/09/26/pilot-lands-safely-after-bird-strike-destroys-planes-nose/
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As I mentioned before both towers fell identically, I don't know what went on but what's the chances of 2 structures collapsing the same. I feel like it should have been messy, like why not one side give out more and one side stay up while the other plummets, just looked too perfect and symmetrical
two identical towers falling identically?
wouldnt that be more likely?
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https://nypost.com/2017/09/26/pilot-lands-safely-after-bird-strike-destroys-planes-nose/
That picture has to be photoshopped, according to Palumboism a dent on a section of skin would prevent the plane from flying.
Any deformation in the shape of the skin compromises the fuselage. If you took a sledge hammer and dented a section of the skin, the plane would not be able to fly.
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That picture has to be photoshopped, according to Palumboism a dent on a section of skin would prevent the plane from flying.
No airline would takeoff with passengers with an aircraft that looked like that. That's what I meant by prevent a plane from flying.
There have been F15 that have had half a wing shot off and have landed.
An Aloha airlines flight landed with it's roof blown off.
https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/falling-to-pieces-the-near-crash-of-aloha-airlines-flight-243-18f28c03f27b (https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/falling-to-pieces-the-near-crash-of-aloha-airlines-flight-243-18f28c03f27b)
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No airline would takeoff with passengers with an aircraft that looked like that. That's what I meant by prevent a plane from flying.
There have been F15 that have had half a wing shot off and have landed.
An Aloha airlines flight landed with it's roof blown off.
https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/falling-to-pieces-the-near-crash-of-aloha-airlines-flight-243-18f28c03f27b (https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/falling-to-pieces-the-near-crash-of-aloha-airlines-flight-243-18f28c03f27b)
Epic skipping over my questions. >:(
Who did all of that cutting? Who planted the explosives? Who set the explosives off? The preparation would have taken what months? A year? It would have involved dozens of people? Thousands of pounds of thermite per building? All of that, all of the people involved to orchestrate and implement that and who has stepped forward to claim they were involved in rigging any of that up?
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two identical towers falling identically?
wouldnt that be more likely?
Maybe if the planes hit each tower in the exact same spot, angle and speed.
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Who did all of that cutting? Who planted the explosives? Who set the explosives off? The preparation would have taken what months? A year? It would have involved dozens of people? Thousands of pounds of thermite per building? All of that, all of the people involved to orchestrate and implement that and who has stepped forward to claim they were involved in rigging any of that up?
Not who did the cutting, but what did the cutting. Enough Thermite was ignited that day in NYC to take down the Golden Gate bridge. The 47 center columns measured 22 inches by 54 inches and were made from 5 inch thick plate. Each one of those columns needed to be cut on every floor.
I don't know who was behind it, but many people were involve and these demolitions required high skill and expertise.
At 5:04 two firemen say there was molten steel like a foundry.
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Not who did the cutting, but what did the cutting. Enough Thermite was ignited that day in NYC to take down the Golden Gate bridge.
Source?
I don't know who was behind it, but many people were involve and these demolitions required high skill and expertise.
Who? How is it possible not one of them have spoken up?
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Source?
Who? How is it possible not one of them have spoken up?
I'm not answering any more of your questions.
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Not who did the cutting, but what did the cutting. Enough Thermite was ignited that day in NYC to take down the Golden Gate bridge. The 47 center columns measured 22 inches by 54 inches and were made from 5 inch thick plate. Each one of those columns needed to be cut on every floor.
I don't know who was behind it, but many people were involve and these demolitions required high skill and expertise.
At 5:04 two firemen say there was molten steel like a foundry.
Video has a little "I see Hankins everywhere" vibe. Also where was Brain Wood Healy Hankins on September 11, 2001? If my math is correct he would have been 23 years old, so perhaps riding his moped in the hood in NYC?
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I'm not answering any more of your questions.
This is typical when pressed for answers from both sides. Everyone can see with their eyes what appears to be controlled demolition, but nobody can actually prove that it was.
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Your post about scrap being sent off to be recycled is true and suspicious, but again, thousands of truck drivers and heavy equipment operators moving that material, none of them saw anything weird in the rubble?
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Anyone seen this?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DZkMcoXgdGR/?igsh=MWoxYXgxOThybjM2cg==
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Your post about scrap being sent off to be recycled is true and suspicious, but again, thousands of truck drivers and heavy equipment operators moving that material, none of them saw anything weird in the rubble?
That’s exactly what you do with scrap, send it to the recycler and get paid. Also, there’s no way this many people could keep a secret. It’s just not possible. Like I said, the only one that is a little fishy is the building 7 that didn’t get hit but still collapsed. But, it had two massive buildings next to it collapse so it may have weakened the foundation.
I’m not saying it’s not possible it was an inside job, I’m just saying the accepted explanation is sound enough to believe.
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Did any other buildings collapse in the vicinity and if so did they collapse in the same way. If not even that is a bit fishy that only wtc buildings went down, especially one that wasn't even hit by a plane..
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Dancing Israelis in NY on 911...
They were happy when the towers collapsed.
Anyone noticed the new WTC tower resembles the Jewish Star?
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911 was an inside job, no doubt. The US is the Empire of Lies.
The official story is a plane hit the Pentagon. But the pathetic low frame security footage does not indicate a plane. A missile was shot at the Pentagon from a low elevation. A decoy plane flew over the Pentagon to try and sell the idea of a plane in the area that supposedly hit it. All the small debris that agents carried in photos was marketing to sell the idea. Those pieces were probably trucked in to make it look legit. The lawn looked pristine, except for the few prop pieces that they placed and carried around. So fake.
And for everyone who claims it's impossible for so many people to be in on it go fuck yourself. It was compartmentalized and the taxi driver did claim in an interview the whole thing was bigger than one person. So there is one crucial witness that already casts doubt on it all.
I would believe nothing coming from the US Deep State. It's all smoke and mirrors and BS.
Where's the plane in the video below? See the other two images — you can't hide a plane — even in 5 frames.
(https://clintjcl.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/911-pentagon-official-video.gif)
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.56c546f5e4744135f338a2673165debd?rik=LRZb5zp209ciQQ&riu=http%3a%2f%2fx0.ifengimg.com%2fres%2f2019%2fB46F2A87196FA07BF366142AAA32AB3A834C83B5_size122_w262_h215.gif&ehk=MWuW0iOrfXAo4%2fOgVRF%2bMENhlc4uYRYppRchHeywnbg%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0)
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.56c546f5e4744135f338a2673165debd?rik=LRZb5zp209ciQQ&riu=http%3a%2f%2fx0.ifengimg.com%2fres%2f2019%2fB46F2A87196FA07BF366142AAA32AB3A834C83B5_size122_w262_h215.gif&ehk=MWuW0iOrfXAo4%2fOgVRF%2bMENhlc4uYRYppRchHeywnbg%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0)
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911 was an inside job, no doubt. The US is the Empire of Lies.
The official story is a plane hit the Pentagon. But the pathetic low frame security footage does not indicate a plane. A missile was shot at the Pentagon from a low elevation. A decoy plane flew over the Pentagon to try and sell the idea of a plane in the area that supposedly hit it. All the small debris that agents carried in photos was marketing to sell the idea. Those pieces were probably trucked in to make it look legit. The lawn looked pristine, except for the few prop pieces that they placed and carried around. So fake.
And for everyone who claims it's impossible for so many people to be in on it go fuck yourself. It was compartmentalized and the taxi driver did claim in an interview the whole thing was bigger than one person. So there is one crucial witness that already casts doubt on it all.
I would believe nothing coming from the US Deep State. It's all smoke and mirrors and BS.
Where's the plane in the video below? See the other two images — you can't hide a plane — even in 5 frames.
(https://clintjcl.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/911-pentagon-official-video.gif)
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.56c546f5e4744135f338a2673165debd?rik=LRZb5zp209ciQQ&riu=http%3a%2f%2fx0.ifengimg.com%2fres%2f2019%2fB46F2A87196FA07BF366142AAA32AB3A834C83B5_size122_w262_h215.gif&ehk=MWuW0iOrfXAo4%2fOgVRF%2bMENhlc4uYRYppRchHeywnbg%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0)
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.56c546f5e4744135f338a2673165debd?rik=LRZb5zp209ciQQ&riu=http%3a%2f%2fx0.ifengimg.com%2fres%2f2019%2fB46F2A87196FA07BF366142AAA32AB3A834C83B5_size122_w262_h215.gif&ehk=MWuW0iOrfXAo4%2fOgVRF%2bMENhlc4uYRYppRchHeywnbg%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0)
Bottom 2 clearly a plane, top one missile, what gives?
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Bottom 2 clearly a plane, top one missile, what gives?
The bottom two are fake. Someone edited a plane into the footage to suggest what it would have looked like. A commercial airliner is not exactly small. But the official video is the top one and it looks like a missile. I am also curious why all the security footage at the numerous gas stations and businesses was never released. All we got was a crappy video with a few frames...
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The bottom two are fake. Someone edited a plane into the footage to suggest what it would have looked like. A commercial airliner is not exactly small. But the official video is the top one and it looks like a missile. I am also curious why all the security footage at the numerous gas stations and businesses was never released. All we got was a crappy video with a few frames...
Good point, why would the plane be at ground level as if taking off or landing.
Everything does look dodgy but they'd have to rely so much on there not being witnesses, which they're are plenty!
I don't buy the planes were holograms or they were edited into the footage after. People saw them hit, holograms aren't leaving impact zones or edited in after cgi planes.
And what about all the people who died on the flights. If they didn't die on planes where did they disappear to?
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Surely there is some mix of truth and conspiracy theory to the whole story. Where do they all intertwine? I feel like this is done intentionally to sow confusion into the story. Massive misinformation mixed in with the facts and all sorts of secret backroom dealings makes it a confusing story to follow. Nobody will ever know 100% truth.
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Surely there is some mix of truth and conspiracy theory to the whole story. Where do they all intertwine? I feel like this is done intentionally to sow confusion into the story. Massive misinformation mixed in with the facts and all sorts of secret backroom dealings makes it a confusing story to follow. Nobody will ever know 100% truth.
It also begs the question if it was an inside job, who had the nuts to suggest it in the first place and to who?
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Good point, why would the plane be at ground level as if taking off or landing.
Everything does look dodgy but they'd have to rely so much on there not being witnesses, which they're are plenty!
I don't buy the planes were holograms or they were edited into the footage after. People saw them hit, holograms aren't leaving impact zones or edited in after cgi planes.
And what about all the people who died on the flights. If they didn't die on planes where did they disappear to?
In the Pentagon's case a decoy plane flew over the building moments before the missile hit it. Some guys did a documentary where they interviewed cops and witnesses who saw a plane fly overhead. The flight path they established was off from the official version. The taxi driver was also interviewed and they cornered him because of the inconsistencies. The plane supposedly hit numerous light poles and one fell on his taxi. But this was all staged. He kind of alluded to that in the car while they were driving. I think the taxi driver's wife worked for the FBI.
I can't comment on all the people that supposedly died in the plane crashes. I did not know them personally so I have to believe whatever is said. It's easy to lie to billions of people when a few hundred people are missing. How would these billions of people be able to verify they existed? What if the relatives are crisis actors? I mean I literally know none of these people so I have to trust that I am not being lied to?
All I know is that's not a plane hitting the Pentagon. That's a pretty big lie. No plane, but they say it was a plane. So they are lying about the plane (because my eyes can't lie to me — no plane in footage), the passengers, the cause of the explosion, etc. At this point the question should be, what are they not lying about?!
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In the Pentagon's case a decoy plane flew over the building moments before the missile hit it. Some guys did a documentary where they interviewed cops and witnesses who saw a plane fly overhead. The flight path they established was off from the official version. The taxi driver was also interviewed and they cornered him because of the inconsistencies. The plane supposedly hit numerous light poles and one fell on his taxi. But this was all staged. He kind of alluded to that in the car while they were driving. I think the taxi driver's wife worked for the FBI.
I can't comment on all the people that supposedly died in the plane crashes. I did not know them personally so I have to believe whatever is said. It's easy to lie to billions of people when a few hundred people are missing. How would these billions of people be able to verify they existed? What if the relatives are crisis actors? I mean I literally know none of these people so I have to trust that I am not being lied to?
All I know is that's not a plane hitting the Pentagon. That's a pretty big lie. No plane, but they say it was a plane. So they are lying about the plane (because my eyes can't lie to me — no plane in footage), the passengers, the cause of the explosion, etc. At this point the question should be, what are they not lying about?!
Thing is there are stories of people who were due on those planes and luckily missed them for whatever reason. Mark Wahlberg was even due on one. Can't forget how he said the plane wouldn't have crashed if he'd been on it ;D
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In the Pentagon's case a decoy plane flew over the building moments before the missile hit it. Some guys did a documentary where they interviewed cops and witnesses who saw a plane fly overhead. The flight path they established was off from the official version. The taxi driver was also interviewed and they cornered him because of the inconsistencies. The plane supposedly hit numerous light poles and one fell on his taxi. But this was all staged. He kind of alluded to that in the car while they were driving. I think the taxi driver's wife worked for the FBI.
I can't comment on all the people that supposedly died in the plane crashes. I did not know them personally so I have to believe whatever is said. It's easy to lie to billions of people when a few hundred people are missing. How would these billions of people be able to verify they existed? What if the relatives are crisis actors? I mean I literally know none of these people so I have to trust that I am not being lied to?
All I know is that's not a plane hitting the Pentagon. That's a pretty big lie. No plane, but they say it was a plane. So they are lying about the plane (because my eyes can't lie to me — no plane in footage), the passengers, the cause of the explosion, etc. At this point the question should be, what are they not lying about?!
100% No plane hit the Pentagon - Impossible for a inexperienced & likely a very experienced pilot
To fly that plane that low & not hit anything 1st.
Also where did the engines & landing gear go , as they're the most solid parts on the plane.
Definitely lies about the pentagon, and most likely, ies about the twin towers / building No7.
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100% No plane hit the Pentagon - Impossible for a inexperienced & likely a very experienced pilot
To fly that plane that low & not hit anything 1st.
Also where did the engines & landing gear go , as they're the most solid parts on the plane.
Definitely lies about the pentagon, and most likely, ies about the twin towers / building No7.
So let's say no plane hit the Pentagon, there are pictures of airplane debris in the grass and building. Who put it there? Seems it would have taken people to plant that material, no witnesses have come forward? Nobody involved in planting the parts has come forward?
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So let's say no plane hit the Pentagon, there are pictures of airplane debris in the grass and building. Who put it there? Seems it would have taken people to plant that material, no witnesses have come forward? Nobody involved in planting the parts has come forward?
Good points - I haven't seen pics / footage of the engines or landing gear ? Why not.
And why has there never been any surveillance footage shown & why confiscste all
The cctv footage from neighbouring buildings.
Whatever went on its fair to say we've not been told the truth or they'd release all the camera
Images / footage they have.
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Jesse ventura said the BBC reported building 7 collapsing while it was still standing
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DYLoAJuiAO-/?igsh=MWlsdmc1bGFpc3hheQ==
Vid expressing how they should have collapsed
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DX4fL6fx2GW/?igsh=NGZ3bHI0emE5bWZx
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So let's say no plane hit the Pentagon, there are pictures of airplane debris in the grass and building. Who put it there? Seems it would have taken people to plant that material, no witnesses have come forward? Nobody involved in planting the parts has come forward?
The plane debris was carried around by agents. It was relatively small. They set up tents, had vans and trucks onsite, and the public was barred from entering the area. It would be easy to contaminate the site with some plane parts / props for the cameras so it can show up in the newspapers and online. Oh look, the agent is running around with an aluminum piece of debris! Lmao. These guys are fucking retarded if they think anyone would believe their BS. And what's amazing is many people do.
The lawn looked quite pristine considering an airplane supposedly dragged it's ass across it to impact the building at almost the ground level.
Are you saying you don't believe your own eyes? There's literally no plane in the security footage. I don't know what else to add to that. So they lied about an airplane hitting the Pentagon. That's a big fucking lie which means nothing they say can be trusted.
(https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th/id/OIP.n68XfNqkDH3Oc1aTdJGMlgHaDt?r=0&rs=1&pid=ImgDetMain&o=7&rm=3)
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The plane debris was carried around by agents. It was relatively small. They set up tents, had vans and trucks onsite, and the public was barred from entering the area. It would be easy to contaminate the site with some plane parts / props for the cameras so it can show up in the newspapers and online. Oh look, the agent is running around with an aluminum piece of debris! Lmao. These guys are fucking retarded if they think anyone would believe their BS. And what's amazing is many people do.
The lawn looked quite pristine considering an airplane supposedly dragged it's ass across it to impact the building at almost the ground level.
Are you saying you don't believe your own eyes? There's literally no plane in the security footage. I don't know what else to add to that. So they lied about an airplane hitting the Pentagon. That's a big fucking lie which means nothing they say can be trusted.
(https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th/id/OIP.n68XfNqkDH3Oc1aTdJGMlgHaDt?r=0&rs=1&pid=ImgDetMain&o=7&rm=3)
OK, so the "agents" carried around parts of a plane and planted them before the fire department and the people driving by saw them? What agency were these agents from? Nobody saw them trucking parts in and unloading them? Who barred the public before the anonymous agents showed up?
In between the conspiracies and what the government led media has told us, is the truth we'll never know.
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Even if you were to believe that 747 wings would just cut thru WTC1&2 walls,
there is no way that Flight 93 would just sink into the ground.
There was around two garbage trucs worth of debris. Nothing else.
Because of soft earth it just sunk in 😀
https://www.nps.gov/media/photo/gallery.htm?id=C7A45234-155D-451F-67A019C294E6A905 (https://www.nps.gov/media/photo/gallery.htm?id=C7A45234-155D-451F-67A019C294E6A905)
Where are the bodies? Where is everything.
Wasn’t there also a plethora of weird phone calls before 93 crashed?
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OK, so the "agents" carried around parts of a plane and planted them before the fire department and the people driving by saw them? What agency were these agents from? Nobody saw them trucking parts in and unloading them? Who barred the public before the anonymous agents showed up?
In between the conspiracies and what the government led media has told us, is the truth we'll never know.
Bump for questions
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Are we just ignoring questions about what happened in 2001 now?
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Are we just ignoring questions about what happened in 2001 now?
Move along, nothing to see here. Move along…
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Are we just ignoring questions about what happened in 2001 now?
I didn't know until recently that terrorist passports conveniently popped up the next day. In all that rubble and carnage passports survived!
Also watched the wt7 collapse yest. I don't remember ever watching that one go down
There are plenty of other buildings in the same vicinity that didn't look affected atall and certainly didn't collapse to nothing.
The thing is we are expected to believe jet fuel heated up and weakened the steel in both buildings identically, causing identical collapsing, I don't even think you need to be a construction expert to question this!
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I didn't know until recently that terrorist passports conveniently popped up the next day. In all that rubble and carnage passports survived!
Also watched the wt7 collapse yest. I don't remember ever watching that one go down
There are plenty of other buildings in the same vicinity that didn't look affected atall and certainly didn't collapse to nothing.
The thing is we are expected to believe jet fuel heated up and weakened the steel in both buildings identically, causing identical collapsing, I don't even think you need to be a construction expert to question this!
I don't buy into the official version, but I have major questions about the conspiracy versions as well. Can't get answers from either side when pressed on details.
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I didn't know until recently that terrorist passports conveniently popped up the next day. In all that rubble and carnage passports survived!
Also watched the wt7 collapse yest. I don't remember ever watching that one go down
There are plenty of other buildings in the same vicinity that didn't look affected atall and certainly didn't collapse to nothing.
The thing is we are expected to believe jet fuel heated up and weakened the steel in both buildings identically, causing identical collapsing, I don't even think you need to be a construction expert to question this!
Don't forget that Larry Silverstein owned all three buildings. When buying WTC 1 and 2 Larry only put up $14 million of his own money. He insured WTC 1 and 2 for $3.5 billion when they were only worth $1.2 billion and the paper work for the insurance on these buildings was only finalized in September of 2001. He got the largest insurance payout in history of $4.5 billion by counting each crash as a separate occurrence.
Larry and both of his children worked every day in the WTC but none of them were in the buildings when the crash happened. He had a Dermatologist appointment.
One hour after the crash Larry was on the phone to his insurance company.
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One hour after the crash Larry was on the phone to his insurance company.
Did you pull his phone records for that tidbit?
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Don't forget that Larry Silverstein owned all three buildings. When buying WTC 1 and 2 Larry only put up $14 million of his own money. He insured WTC 1 and 2 for $3.5 billion when they were only worth $1.2 billion and the paper work for the insurance on these buildings was only finalized in September of 2001. He got the largest insurance payout in history of $4.5 billion by counting each crash as a separate occurrence.
Larry and both of his children worked every day in the WTC but none of them were in the buildings when the crash happened. He had a Dermatologist appointment.
One hour after the crash Larry was on the phone to his insurance company.
I've only recently learned about Silverstein. Things couldn't look more dodgy the fact they didn't show up to work that day. Did the police question this, did the insurance company question it. Insurance wouldn't even pay out for my other half's nans garage roof collapsing because they didn't believe the timescale!
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I don't buy into the official version, but I have major questions about the conspiracy versions as well. Can't get answers from either side when pressed on details.
I think people are crazy if they believe holograms of planes crashed into those buildings
They were definitely planes. Where was it being beamed from so clearly and perfectly that people saw and heard them. Who was there ready to blow the side of the building as soon as the amazing hologram reached the side!? That's just ridiculous people would think that.
Do you think Bush and his government were involved?
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I've only recently learned about Silverstein. Things couldn't look more dodgy the fact they didn't show up to work that day. Did the police question this, did the insurance company question it. Insurance wouldn't even pay out for my other half's nans garage roof collapsing because they didn't believe the timescale!
He had a long legal case with the insurance companies because he wanted it counted as two occurrences meaning double the payout. It seems like the jury split the difference.
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Will we ever know the truth about 9/11 ?
I don't believe the official story at all - To me there was clearly something underhand going on.
Who was behind it & what for, I can't decide.
Awful that so many lost their lives for what appears to be a staged event. 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Evil people do evil work for the better of their sick agenda's.
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Will we ever know the truth about 9/11 ?
I don't believe the official story at all - To me there was clearly something underhand going on.
Who was behind it & what for, I can't decide.
Awful that so many lost their lives for what appears to be a staged event. 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Evil people do evil work for the better of their sick agenda's.
It bugs me when people try to silence any questioning of the "Official Narrative". Mainly because the "Official Narrative" is so comically unbelievable and violates the laws of science, but the general public is so inept with science they believe it.
I was actually looking up blueprints of these buildings thinking this whole things makes no sense. Looking at column thicknesses and numbers of columns and doing actual calculations with a calculator and scratching my head.
I just can't unsee what really happened.
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It bugs me when people try to silence any questioning of the "Official Narrative". Mainly because the "Official Narrative" is so comically unbelievable and violates the laws of science, but the general public is so inept with science they believe it.
I was actually looking up blueprints of these buildings thinking this whole things makes no sense. Looking at column thicknesses and numbers of columns and doing actual calculations with a calculator and scratching my head.
I just can't unsee what really happened.
Exactly, I can't fathom how anyone would believe the utterly stupid official narrative
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The most heavily guarded building in the world (the Pentagon) and not a single clear photo of a plane hitting it.
this is all they have?
(https://thumb.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Pentagon_security_video.gif/960px-Pentagon_security_video.gif?utm_source=commons.wikimedia.org&utm_campaign=index&utm_content=thumbnail&_=20140714111407)
https://imgur.com/gallery/how-flight-77-hit-pentagon-NyIjx
(https://i.imgur.com/tXh3B2v.gif)
Imagine how long and how low that plane would have had to be flying to hit at that angle
this is the fake one
(https://jamieross.com/discus/messages/26018/114755.gif)
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Yes I thought that, as if it's just on the ground
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The airplanes were so strong they tore threw these steel building, yet there is nothing was salvaged. at a minimum the jet engines should have been saved. A 767 Jet engine weighs 11,000 pounds and has heavy castings capable of withstanding the heat generated, yet where were those salvaged engines and where are the black boxes?
The wing goes behind the building in this video.
https://x.com/ABridgen/status/2099744507830952359?s=20 (https://x.com/ABridgen/status/2099744507830952359?s=20)
https://x.com/Face_de_Fact/status/2099777533830947158?s=20 (https://x.com/Face_de_Fact/status/2099777533830947158?s=20)
https://17plus.weebly.com/911.html (https://17plus.weebly.com/911.html)
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Wait, are we going all the way back to there were no planes and they were rockets hidden in holograms? :D
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Why did he wait an hour? If my house blew up, i'd be calling my insurance company within minutes.
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I do believe planes flew into those 2 towers, realistic holograms with sound hitting the buildings timed perfectly with explosives is way too far fetched, like at what point would these holograms just appeared in the sky.
There are tons of eye witness that saw aircraft.
The way the towers came down were nothing to do with any collision imo