Arnold looks great as usual!.Of course - it's Arnold. ;D
sergio looks bestYup. I'd have to give Sergio the edge - by a hair.
Arnold looks great as usual!.
BS. He wasn't sharp, had no tan and was ripe for the picking, and he knew it. That's what motivated him to get into better shape the following two years, thinking Oliva would be at those shows.
Sergio was better, but his best condition happened around but not on the day of the show.
Arnold is dominating.
Makes Sergio look like a small child!
He wasn't sharp? ( senses ) he's a lot sharper than Sergio , much more defined , in the quads , calves , abs , biceps and back , Sergio is smooth as a babies ass .
What make these pics "never before seen"? I have every one of them in a Weider mag. Anyone around that time that was into bb has seen these pics.
Arnold is dominating.This is the most retarded post i have read on this board in a long time.
Makes Sergio look like a small child!
I agree with you Pumpster Arnold was given a gift in 72 but improved dramaticaly in the fowolling years.
Two groupies with just a slight bias!
Mr. humility Arnold would never have said that Oliva deserved to win if he didn't think it, nor would he have refused Oliva's challenge at another contest to come out of the crowd to pose alongside him, nor would he have been in such phenomenal shape the following years if not for the fact that he knew he'd lost in '72.
This is the most retarded post i have read on this board in a long time.
Oliver do us a favour and swim in some shark infested water.
I am a huge fan of all 3 bodybuilders Arnold, Sergio,Nubret but 72 belonged to Sergio.I agree with you Pumpster Arnold was given a gift in 72 but improved dramaticaly in the fowolling years.
damn that's the year i was born.
He wasn't sharp? ( senses ;) ) he's a lot sharper than Sergio , much more defined , in the quads , calves , abs , biceps and back , Sergio is smooth as a babies ass . Sergio has him on muscle shape , but Arnold is more complete .
Arnold was not sharper. He posed better and did use less oil than Sergio.See.... politics didn't play a role - it was the oil. ::)
On the video of the Olympia you can see separation in Sergio's quads and Front double Bi that you do not see in any of these photos. Of course there still is too much oil on him, probably Arnold helped him with that ;)
damn that's the year i was born.
Arnold looks like a fooking titan right here!!!!!
See.... politics didn't play a role - it was the oil. ::)
Too much oil blurrs definition, Arnold knew that, Sergio probably not.
I always look forward to the inevitable Arnold nut-huggers who totally buy into all the Schwarzenegger BS about his supposed tactical advantages & psyching opponents when in fact most of it was made up, knowing that various suckers would accept it without question (true).
You act like Sergio's some kind of dummy and would do everything wrong while Arnold of course wouldn't. Bottom line he knew he lost the show and admitted it later but this was a commercial enterprise run by Weider who could influence who would win and who prevented Oliva from competing in '71 for equally suspect reasons.
Schwarzenegger knows that most of what he's claimed is empty rhetoric but no one questions it so it's stood the test of time. He didn't accept Sergio's challenge at a neutral contest because Weider had no control of the outcome.
I always look forward to the inevitable Arnold nut-huggers who totally buy into all the Schwarzenegger BS about his supposed tactical advantages & psyching opponents when in fact most of it was made up, knowing that various suckers would accept it without question (true).
You act like Sergio's some kind of dummy and would do everything wrong while Arnold of course wouldn't. Bottom line he knew he lost the show and admitted it later but this was a commercial enterprise run by Weider who could influence who would win and who prevented Oliva from competing in '71 for equally suspect reasons.
Schwarzenegger knows that most of what he's claimed is empty rhetoric but no one questions it so it's stood the test of time. He didn't accept Sergio's challenge at a neutral contest because Weider had no control of the outcome.
Weider prevented him and Franco got up onstage , so it wasn't because Arnold wasn't up to the challenge
Haven't had any luck finding it, where did you get it?
That one story about being on stage is about the only one that stands up-one story! That's hardly a trend regarding Schwarzenegger's cunning. Very easy to make these stories up afterwards, knowing that someone like ND will totally buy into them.
Schwarzenegger has admitted to losing that show from back in the day, over and over again saying that he knew backstage before posing that he was beaten.
Well of course this is the Flex/Weider/Iron Age version; he could've gotten up if he'd had the balls so in fact, he wasn't up to the challenge, contrary to your interpretation. Interesting that he never talks about THIS story but has gone on and on about all the others that show him favorably. What a surprise that this embarassing chapter is almost completely off the radar in fact, just like those compromising Pumping Iron out-takes. ::)
"Then, for the first time, I saw Sergio Oliva in person. I understood why they called him the Myth. It was as jarring, as if I'd walked into a wall. He destroyed me. He was so huge, he was so fantastic, there was no way I could even think of beating him. I admitted my defeat and felt some of my pump go away. I tried. But I'd been so taken back by my first sight of Sergio Oliva that I think I settled for second place before we walked out on the stage."
That's what i thought, was going to buy that because it's the only place i've ever seen any mention of that contest available on DVD. On of the best all-time shows is barely available other than on that one.
What make these pics "never before seen"? I have every one of them in a Weider mag. Anyone around that time that was into bb has seen these pics.
"Then, for the first time, I saw Sergio Oliva in person. I understood why they called him the Myth. It was as jarring, as if I'd walked into a wall. He destroyed me. He was so huge, he was so fantastic, there was no way I could even think of beating him. I admitted my defeat and felt some of my pump go away. I tried. But I'd been so taken back by my first sight of Sergio Oliva that I think I settled for second place before we walked out on the stage."
ever watch pumping iron? see how he toyed with Big Lou? Serge Nubret?
I don't know of you're mistaken what Arnold said from his first encounter with Sergio in 1969 at the Mr Olympia with 72 ?
Arnold was taken aback by Oliva twice, once in '69 and again in'72 when Oliva had improved yet again.
Yes but that comment was for the 69 show!
You're completely utterly biased. It never occurred to you apparently that this was a docu-drama, not a serious documentary. A serious film would've also shown footage of Oliva and more footage on other greats that were glossed over or ignored, in order to present more balanced perspectives of BB outside of Venice Beach. Instead it was a Schwarzenegger star-vehicle, which made sense to sell tickets and widen it's appeal. Not a bad idea but it sacrificed accuracy in not showing other legit BBs and making Schwarzenegger appear to be the center of the universe as per Weider's desire.
BTW he did NOT toy with Nubret! You are ridiculous and really come across like a groupie with that misinterpretation. Toying with someone like Ferrigno could've been easily done by anyone-big deal.
Arnold was taken aback by Oliva twice, once in '69 and again in'72 when Oliva had improved yet again.
He wasn't toying with Nubret-he was trying to, there's a difference. Serge was too smart for that.
PI should've covered BB outside of Venice IF it didn't have a Weider bias. Ferrigno training in NY was staged, he was asked to go to NY as a cinematic device.
You're right. I've never seen those pics before. Thanks, Alexxx.
Arnold was a month out and to boot Sergio himself said he was just 216lbs if he met Arnold at the 73 Olympia weighing that lol he would get murdered . anyway that was a moot point because after they learned Sergio competed at a WGGB in 1972 he was suspended because its against the IFBB rules to compete in rival competitions
I think he just doesn't realize how biased he sounds with these clumsy, failed attempts at lucidity. ::) Merely reiterating a biased position hardly makes it fact and isn't convincing, which he fails to comprehend.
No this is where you're wrong sport , these are whats called facts it was a fact the Olympia was a month away , its also a fact that Sergio was contest ready seeing he was competing that night , its also a fact that he challenged Arnold because he knew he wasn't 100% its also a fact that Sergio competed at a WGGB event and was suspended . more facts Sergio was on a losing streak in the I.F.B.B. he lost 3 times to Arnold . now whats not a fact is your speculation that Joe Weider was hand picking Arnold to beat Sergio , but lets entertain your fantasy that this was the case for arguments sake , how would Joe Weider have any control over Bill Pearl outright beating Sergio at the 1971 Mr Universe which is a N.A.B.B.A. contest? which you might consider a ' neutral ' contest. So now your hero was beaten by Arnold 3 times and Pearl 1 he was on a losing streak and best believed if he entered in 73/74/75 it would have continued for him.
these are whats called facts it was a fact the Olympia was a month away , its also a fact that Sergio was contest ready seeing he was competing that night , its also a fact that he challenged Arnold because he knew he wasn't 100% its also a fact that Sergio competed at a WGGB event and was suspended . more facts Sergio was on a losing streak in the I.F.B.B. he lost 3 times to Arnold . now whats not a fact is your speculation
You guys got it wrong! Arnold was refering to the 1969 contest. His first mr. Olympia and only loss to Sergio. But he did admit many times that Sergio was the better bodybuilder.Exactly! Alexxx, got it right there. That was a classic reprint story of the 1969 Mr. Olympia as told by Rick Wayne in the August 1991 issue of Muscle & Fitness.
This all sounds very familiar.
Clearly theres not an anti establishment bone in your body ND and you just swallow anything and take it for gospel.
Quote from: alexxx on Today at 11:17:00 AM
You guys got it wrong! Arnold was refering to the 1969 contest. His first mr. Olympia and only loss to Sergio. But he did admit many times that Sergio was the better bodybuilder.
Exactly! Alexxx, got it right there. That was a classic reprint story of the 1969 Mr. Olympia as told by Rick Wayne in the August 1991 issue of Muscle & Fitness.
You're just born ?Yeah.... yesterday! :D
As an unquestioning shill for the IFBB & Weider, you have absolutely no credibility or objectivity.
You are a follower, and not one with much originality. Completely bereft of objectivity in your righteous and incorrect dogmas. So utterly biased on a continuing basis that you jettisoned credibility long ago.
Trust me, you'd have made anexcellentsuperb Hitler Youth.. ;)
Blah, blah, blah. You've entriely compromised your credibility and the plausibility of your one-dimensional "explanations" AKA garbage filler. ;D
arnold owned those twats so bad...Totally - except in 1972. ;D
probably the best olympia, 4 mr. olympia on stage on the same stage, probably never happen again2 mr o's as franco and zane had many years to go to get thiers.
Lets compare it to what you have to offer , fantasy & delusion lol you're just like your hero delusional Sergio thinks he was screwed at the Olympia in 84/85 he was extremely lucky to be top 10 .
Sergio was the most genetically gifted of all times - even more than Wheeler -, but Arnold utilized his genetics gifts to a greaer extent. Arnold deseved to beat Sergio all the times they competed against each other.
ND obviously falls in love with these guys, Schwarzenegger & Yates. A serious love-fest in which his idols can do no wrong.
What's interesting to me is that every time it's between a white and black guy, guy falls for the white guy..??? ;D
What's interesting to me is that every time it's between a white and black guy, guy falls for the white guy..??? ;D
I like the way he offers absolutely no explanation as to why Schwarzenegger should have beaten Oliva every time when it's clear just from this thread alone that Oliva won in '72. ::)
Two groupies with just a slight bias!
Mr. humility Arnold would never have said that Oliva deserved to win if he didn't think it, nor would he have refused Oliva's challenge at another contest to come out of the crowd to pose alongside him, nor would he have been in such phenomenal shape the following years if not for the fact that he knew he'd lost in '72.
1972omg... arnold looks jsut like me there. He must be so proud :)
sergio looks best
I met Arnold in 1983 in Houston TX promoting a video he had made with rachel Mclish. He was appearing at a video store, and about 50 people showed up. It was advertised in the newspapers-but at the time, Arnold was still not that popular. When it was my turn to talk to him I ask ed him 2 questions:
1) what do you think of dessicated liver ?
2) "Who was better, You or Sergio ?" Arnold looked me
strait in the eye and said "Sergio".
Did he mean it ? I don't know for sure.
That is the truth.