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This whole PDI thing will struggle to get any IFBB pro to join there organisation due to 1 major problem, and that is Sponsorship/endorsement contracts that a athlete may have !!
In the professional bodybuilding arena the primary earning potential for 98% of the pro athletes is not from show earning,( this is reserved for yet but the top 6-8 competitors) it is derived from Sponsorship contracts. It is these sponsorship contracts that pay a annual salary to athletes for the use of there image and appearance to promote their products and / or services.
These contracts can run into the 100s of thousands of dollars per annum and heres the kicker for the PDI, most of these contracts have a competition clause in them which nominate that the athlete must compete in a certain amount of Shows per annum as part of the exposure the company wishes their charge to receive,(the number usually runs into 3-4 shows per annum and in most cases the athlete has to name these shows prior to renewal of a agreement!) now unfortunately the PDI don't have a calender of events which could support such a requirement in a contract , plus the Sponsor may not recognise the PDI and its shows as a legitimate Showing for their athlete to be deemed plausible for the contracts requirements.
This I see is one of the main reasons that the IFBB pro contingent will not be going to the PDI , because basically they cant !!
This is ONE major sticking point for the PDI.
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Great Post!
My only question is how they are going to twist this and place the blame at Bob's feet as per the norm.
Marc is Smart and Pretty. 8)
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It's a mess a real mess just hope that Lee has Wayne stitched up.We will have a better idea after their 1st show.Sounds like you are in the know.
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WHOA! I caught a wiff of that one...let me get the fk out of this thread...whew!!! Smelled like a dead lake trout....snap!
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WHOA! I caught a wiff of that one...let me get the fk out of this thread...whew!!! Smelled like a dead lake trout....snap
What the ?? ???
I was talking about IFBB pros not being abel to compete with the PDI dickhead !! >:(
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This whole PDI thing will struggle to get any IFBB pro to join there organisation due to 1 major problem, and that is Sponsorship/endorsement contracts that a athlete may have !!
In the professional bodybuilding arena the primary earning potential for 98% of the pro athletes is not from show earning,( this is reserved for yet but the top 6-8 competitors) it is derived from Sponsorship contracts. It is these sponsorship contracts that pay a annual salary to athletes for the use of there image and appearance to promote their products and / or services.
These contracts can run into the 100s of thousands of dollars per annum and heres the kicker for the PDI, most of these contracts have a competition clause in them which nominate that the athlete must compete in a certain amount of Shows per annum as part of the exposure the company wishes their charge to receive,(the number usually runs into 3-4 shows per annum and in most cases the athlete has to name these shows prior to renewal of a agreement!) now unfortunately the PDI don't have a calender of events which could support such a requirement in a contract , plus the Sponsor may not recognise the PDI and its shows as a legitimate Showing for their athlete to be deemed plausible for the contracts requirements.
This I see is one of the main reasons that the IFBB pro contingent will not be going to the PDI , because basically they cant !!
This is ONE major sticking point for the PDI.
Would be a good point except the fact that this only pertains to about 5-8 Ifbb pros. Most pros are broke, and have no contract to speak of. Lets see 1)ronnie2) jay 3)dexter 4)branch 5)johnnie jackson. There are a few others, but the percentage is low. In reality, this is exactly the reason why ifbb pros should consider the pdi. I bet money I myself am making more money the the majority of Ifbb pros and I have not even stepped on stage yet.....
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Would be a good point except the fact that this only pertains to about 5-8 Ifbb pros. Most pros are broke, and have no contract to speak of. Lets see 1)ronnie2) jay 3)dexter 4)branch 5)johnnie jackson. There are a few others, but the percentage is low. In reality, this is exactly the reason why ifbb pros should consider the pdi. I bet money I myself am making more money the the majority of Ifbb pros and I have not even stepped on stage yet.....
How are you generating revenue from the PDI Rhino? There hasn't even been one show yet?
Is the organizer paying you to be in the show?
Could you elaborate on this?
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Wouldn't it be more exposure for ALL SPONSORS if there were more shows? Just a thought.
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You forgot to mention: ::)
Troy Alves
Mark Dugdale
David Henry
Markus Rhuel
Phil Heath
Bill Wilmore
Gunther Schleirkamp
Gustavo Badell
Dennis James
Darrem Charles
Hhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm, Rhino, you might be right, there maybe more money in the PDI.
I wonder who all is making money over there and how, since no shows have taken place and no one has heard of the guys in the PDI?
You represent a supplement company?
Guest Pose all over the world?
Appear on magazine covers?
Won any Prize Money?
Sounds like a bunch of maybe's, on top of possibilitities and even hopefullie's mixed in with some Hillbilllie's?
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You forgot to mention: ::)
Troy Alves
Mark Dugdale
David Henry
Markus Rhuel
Phil Heath
Bill Wilmore
Gunther Schleirkamp
Gustavo Badell
Dennis James
Darrem Charles
Hhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm, Rhino, you might be right, there maybe more money in the PDI.
I wonder who all is making money over there and how, since no shows have taken place and no one has heard of the guys in the PDI?
You represent a supplement company?
Guest Pose all over the world?
Appear on magazine covers?
Won any Prize Money?
Sounds like a bunch of maybe's, on top of possibilitities and even hopefullie's mixed in with some Hillbilllie's?
You know what Shawn, now list the HUNDREDS of athletes who make nothing. I may have been off by a few, but the majority, are broke. Personal training, whatever.
Yes, I do represent several companies, and yes, I have been guest posing, and yes I have been all over the world, and plan to continue. Prize money, which is the point od the thread, is not where the money is.
Did you even read this thread? My point is when you are getting nothing, and have no chance to, the chance of getting something is better.
I know you want to attack me on every opinion, but at least you could read and understand what I am saying first.
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Ummm hellloooo!!!!
You guys forgot...
King Kamali
Bob Chicherello
Greg Kovacs
Ken Jones
Joyce Pelliteir(sp)
Kai Greene
Derek Anthony
Greg Valentino
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I just wonder why I have never heard of you or seen you Guest Pose at a show?
I have attended a gazzillion shows in the last 20 years and have only seen a couple pics of you in Muscle Mag Int. ONCE? ???
Sounds like your off and running!
That being said, can you explain How and Where the guys whould make money in the PDI?Guaranteed Contracts, Prize Money What? :-\
What company do you represent so I can check it out?
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IS it me or do the pros like Lee and Shawn wake up way too early to be online ???
Isnt it like 5:40 am over there??
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Coffee & Get Big in the am.
Off to the Gym,
Peace
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I just wonder why I have never heard of you or seen you Guest Pose at a show?
I have attended a gazzillion shows in the last 20 years and have only seen a couple pics of you in Muscle Mag Int. ONCE? ???
Sounds like your off and running!
That being said, can you explain How and Where the guys whould make money in the PDI?Guaranteed Contracts, Prize Money What? :-\
What company do you represent so I can check it out?
Seriously how are you making money off the PDI?
The NOC will be cancelled, there is no way Lee P will compete in this show anymore.
he is just using it for leverage to try and create a stir and place higher at the olympia.
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I just wonder why I have never heard of you or seen you Guest Pose at a show?
I have attended a gazzillion shows in the last 20 years and have only seen a couple pics of you in Muscle Mag Int. ONCE? ???
Sounds like your off and running!
That being said, can you explain How and Where the guys whould make money in the PDI?Guaranteed Contracts, Prize Money What? :-\
What company do you represent so I can check it out?
Shawn, why are you such an ass?
Chris
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exactly how many ifbb athletes are there? its up in the triple digits, or close to it, right? how many of them have endorsements?
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You know, all of the same arguments used against the PDI could have been used on the IFBB not so many years ago. Every organization starts somewhere. Some make it and some don't. Why not let it play itself out and we will see what happens with the PDI?
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Yes, I do represent several companies, and yes, I have been guest posing
Where have you been guest posing?
Prize money, which is the point od the thread
I wonder where you get this notion from? The original post by HRDCOR was discussing competition clauses:
most of these contracts have a competition clause in them which nominate that the athlete must compete in a certain amount of Shows per annum as part of the exposure the company wishes their charge to receive,(the number usually runs into 3-4 shows per annum and in most cases the athlete has to name these shows prior to renewal of a agreement!)
Good luck with the preparation for the NOC
YIP
Zack
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This whole PDI thing will struggle to get any IFBB pro to join there organisation due to 1 major problem, and that is Sponsorship/endorsement contracts that a athlete may have !!
In the professional bodybuilding arena the primary earning potential for 98% of the pro athletes is not from show earning,( this is reserved for yet but the top 6-8 competitors) it is derived from Sponsorship contracts. It is these sponsorship contracts that pay a annual salary to athletes for the use of there image and appearance to promote their products and / or services.
These contracts can run into the 100s of thousands of dollars per annum and heres the kicker for the PDI, most of these contracts have a competition clause in them which nominate that the athlete must compete in a certain amount of Shows per annum as part of the exposure the company wishes their charge to receive,(the number usually runs into 3-4 shows per annum and in most cases the athlete has to name these shows prior to renewal of a agreement!) now unfortunately the PDI don't have a calender of events which could support such a requirement in a contract , plus the Sponsor may not recognise the PDI and its shows as a legitimate Showing for their athlete to be deemed plausible for the contracts requirements.
This I see is one of the main reasons that the IFBB pro contingent will not be going to the PDI , because basically they cant !!
This is ONE major sticking point for the PDI.
What percentage of current IFBB pros earn 'significant' income from their endorsement deals?
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he said primary earning POTENTIAL.
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Shawn, why are you such an ass?
Chris
Chris, don't waste your time. People like us are above this. Obviously, I am important enough to try to discreit, everytime I post. Unfortunately, you can't discredit someone like myself. It really is a compliment that evertime I post, Shawn Ray, Chick, and the rest are there to try and discredit me. Again, fuitlity must be frustrating, Chick spent a week trying to convince everyone I did not Win the North America, and was on8ed. He only makes himself look stupid. Shawn, really is ashame because I was actually a fan. I could bash him so much it is not even funny, but why? Evetything is great, I have one of the worlds fastest growing compnaie behind me, Jimmy Mentis and his camp behind me, and so on.......
But then again, who am I? According to Ron, one of the most talked about bodybuilders on the net. Wayne just recently dubbed me "The Mr. Olympia of the internet"!!(LOL)
Thanks to all the rest who have supported me, thanks to Mike mccandless for sending me to NC to guest pose for them(Woops Shawn, egg on your face too).
Yes, I have guest posed.
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You know, all of the same arguments used against the PDI could have been used on the IFBB not so many years ago. Every organization starts somewhere. Some make it and some don't. Why not let it play itself out and we will see what happens with the PDI?
Because they are scared, they know it will work, and then the seas of change will happen.
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Chris, don't waste your time. People like us are above this. Obviously, I am important enough to try to discreit, everytime I post. Unfortunately, you can't discredit someone like myself. It really is a compliment that evertime I post, Shawn Ray, Chick, and the rest are there to try and discredit me. Again, fuitlity must be frustrating, Chick spent a week trying to convince everyone I did not Win the North America, and was on8ed. He only makes himself look stupid. Shawn, really is ashame because I was actually a fan. I could bash him so much it is not even funny, but why? Evetything is great, I have one of the worlds fastest growing compnaie behind me, Jimmy Mentis and his camp behind me, and so on.......
But then again, who am I? According to Ron, one of the most talked about bodybuilders on the net. Wayne just recently dubbed me "The Mr. Olympia of the internet"!!(LOL)
Thanks to all the rest who have supported me, thanks to Mike mccandless for sending me to NC to guest pose for them(Woops Shawn, egg on your face too).
Yes, I have guest posed.
I guess it goes to show the egos in bodybuilding.
I wish you the best Rhino...Your attitude speaks millions
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Where have you been guest posing?
I wonder where you get this notion from? The original post by HRDCOR was discussing competition clauses:
Good luck with the preparation for the NOC
YIP
Zack
North Carolina, Philadelphia, semiar in Michigan,(which I had to cancell)
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Chris, don't waste your time. People like us are above this. Obviously, I am important enough to try to discreit, everytime I post. Unfortunately, you can't discredit someone like myself. It really is a compliment that evertime I post, Shawn Ray, Chick, and the rest are there to try and discredit me. Again, fuitlity must be frustrating, Chick spent a week trying to convince everyone I did not Win the North America, and was on8ed. He only makes himself look stupid. Shawn, really is ashame because I was actually a fan. I could bash him so much it is not even funny, but why? Evetything is great, I have one of the worlds fastest growing compnaie behind me, Jimmy Mentis and his camp behind me, and so on.......
But then again, who am I? According to Ron, one of the most talked about bodybuilders on the net. Wayne just recently dubbed me "The Mr. Olympia of the internet"!!(LOL)
Thanks to all the rest who have supported me, thanks to Mike mccandless for sending me to NC to guest pose for them(Woops Shawn, egg on your face too).
Yes, I have guest posed.
It's amazing how you can write that you WAS a fan of Gold Ray.
Like his personality would have anything to do with what his physique was like.
Let me put it this way: I don't rank Gold Ray as one of the Top 3 persons I come across online. And I honestly don't think much about online personalities either.
When it comes to bodybuilding physiques, Gold is one of the Top 3 physiques I've seen, with Levrone and an early Wheeler being the other two (Sergio doesn't count, he's in a league of his own ;D).
Regardless what Gold does, I will still think the same regarding his physique.
I'd be a total tool if I wouldn't.
YIP
Zack
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It's amazing how you can write that you WAS a fan of Gold Ray.
Like his personality would have anything to do with what his physique was like.
Let me put it this way: I don't rank Gold Ray as one of the Top 3 persons I come across online. And I honestly don't think much about online personalities either.
When it comes to bodybuilding physiques, Gold is one of the Top 3 physiques I've seen, with Levrone and an early Wheeler being the other two (Sergio doesn't count, he's in a league of his own ;D).
Regardless what Gold does, I will still think the same regarding his physique.
I'd be a total tool if I wouldn't.
YIP
Zack
Its amazing how you can be a huge fan of someone...follow their accomplishments and just think they are greatest.....kinda makes you build up this image of what a great person he might be. But, when you see how they talk to and treat people it can shatter your whole image of them.
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I guess it goes to show the egos in bodybuilding.
I wish you the best Rhino...Your attitude speaks millions
Thank you, I apreciate that.
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It's amazing how you can write that you WAS a fan of Gold Ray.
Like his personality would have anything to do with what his physique was like.
Let me put it this way: I don't rank Gold Ray as one of the Top 3 persons I come across online. And I honestly don't think much about online personalities either.
When it comes to bodybuilding physiques, Gold is one of the Top 3 physiques I've seen, with Levrone and an early Wheeler being the other two (Sergio doesn't count, he's in a league of his own ;D).
Regardless what Gold does, I will still think the same regarding his physique.
I'd be a total tool if I wouldn't.
YIP
Zack
First of all, I can use whatever criteria I see fit to why I would be a fan. Second, your assessment is way off. Top 3? I don't think so. Not even close. Dorian, ROnnie, kevin, Arnold, Flex, chris, markus, gunter,dennis J. .....I can go on, and on with bodybuilders that are head and shoulders better than Ray.
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Markus and Arnold? C'mon, man - let's keep the realness...
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First of all, I can use whatever criteria I see fit to why I would be a fan. Second, your assessment is way off. Top 3? I don't think so. Not even close. Dorian, ROnnie, kevin, Arnold, Flex, chris, markus, gunter,dennis J. .....I can go on, and on with bodybuilders that are head and shoulders better than Ray.
Head and shoulders better than Ray...
Keep 'em coming then.
It's interesting to see another point of view, appearantly totally different. Just list them.
So... shoot!
YIP
Zack
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First of all, I can use whatever criteria I see fit to why I would be a fan. Second, your assessment is way off. Top 3? I don't think so. Not even close. Dorian, ROnnie, kevin, Arnold, Flex, chris, markus, gunter,dennis J. .....I can go on, and on with bodybuilders that are head and shoulders better than Ray.
TOP 3 I dont think so..Are you smoking crack...
DUDE you have so much hate for the IFBB its not even funny.and some the the horse shit that you spew is just plain idiotic..
AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE EXACTLY AS A BBer????You are phucken hillarious Rhino..Wake up and smell the coffee..BOTTOM LINE you couldnt cut it in the NPC and get a IFBB pro card so you jumped ship and now you promote the PDI and bash the IFBB..
THE END
Have a Great day..MR internet Olympia..LMFAO
Peace
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TOP 3 I dont think so..Are you smoking crack...
DUDE you have so much hate for the IFBB its not even funny.and some the the horse shit that you spew is just plain idiotic..
AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE EXACTLY AS A BBer????You are phucken hillarious Rhino..Wake up and smell the coffee..BOTTOM LINE you couldnt cut it in the NPC and get a IFBB pro card so you jumped ship and now you promote the PDI and bash the IFBB..
THE END
Have a Great day..MR internet Olympia..LMFAO
Peace
Dear Rhino was talking about Shawn Ray, not himself
Your bad
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First of all, I can use whatever criteria I see fit to why I would be a fan. Second, your assessment is way off. Top 3? I don't think so. Not even close. Dorian, ROnnie, kevin, Arnold, Flex, chris, markus, gunter,dennis J. .....I can go on, and on with bodybuilders that are head and shoulders better than Ray.
^This dude has no clue. Rhino are you typing in your sleep? :-\
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Dear Rhino was talking about Shawn Ray, not himself
Your bad
He was wrong again
Hope this helps
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Dear Rhino was talking about Shawn Ray, not himself
Your bad
Thank you, oh, and tell the man what I have done in bodybuilding, more than he ever will.
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First of all, I can use whatever criteria I see fit to why I would be a fan. Second, your assessment is way off. Top 3? I don't think so. Not even close. Dorian, ROnnie, kevin, Arnold, Flex, chris, markus, gunter,dennis J. .....I can go on, and on with bodybuilders that are head and shoulders better than Ray.
Why were you a fan of Ray in the first place?
YIP
Zack
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TOP 3 I dont think so..Are you smoking crack...
DUDE you have so much hate for the IFBB its not even funny.and some the the horse shit that you spew is just plain idiotic..
AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE EXACTLY AS A BBer????You are phucken hillarious Rhino..Wake up and smell the coffee..BOTTOM LINE you couldnt cut it in the NPC and get a IFBB pro card so you jumped ship and now you promote the PDI and bash the IFBB..
THE END
Have a Great day..MR internet Olympia..LMFAO
Peace
You better do some homework.By the way, since we are on the topic, what have you done in bodybuilding?
I smell the coffee, trust me...You could'nt hold my gym bag.
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You better do some homework.By the way, since we are on the topic, what have you done in bodybuilding?
I smell the coffee, trust me...You could'nt hold my gym bag.
Trust me mate.
This guy could hold your gym bag and THEN SOME... ;D
YIP
Zack
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Dear Rhino was talking about Shawn Ray, not himself
Your bad
ah ya I know that..he was talking about Shawn..Thats why I said he(RHino is smokin crack)
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You better do some homework.By the way, since we are on the topic, what have you done in bodybuilding?
I smell the coffee, trust me...You could'nt hold my gym bag.
HAHAHAHA..You are smokin crack..
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Watch out for this 5'8 beast
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You better do some homework.By the way, since we are on the topic, what have you done in bodybuilding?
I smell the coffee, trust me...You could'nt hold my gym bag.
You're way over your head now mate.
YIP
Zack
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Coffee & Get Big in the am.
Off to the Gym,
Peace
God you are so self absorbed. ::)
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HAHAHAHA..You are smokin crack..
Poor Rhino, he has no clue does he
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Thank you, oh, and tell the man what I have done in bodybuilding, more than he ever will.
Please put the CRACK pipe down and come back to earth..This is getting funnier every time you post...
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dunno who that guy is HH but he looks awesome
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dunno who that guy is HH but he looks awesome
It's Tomanater.
YIP
Zack
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It's Tomanater.
YIP
Zack
I don't think I am over my head. My physique is much better. As usuall, you compare my offseason pics(300lbs). To someon, who is in condition(sort of). But please, that physique is not so great, many weaknesses, conditioning tobe the first.
You are in over your head.
I might be clueless, but AI am the only one in this group being photographed by magazines on a regular basis.
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It's amazing how you can write that you WAS a fan of Gold Ray.
Like his personality would have anything to do with what his physique was like.
Let me put it this way: I don't rank Gold Ray as one of the Top 3 persons I come across online. And I honestly don't think much about online personalities either.
When it comes to bodybuilding physiques, Gold is one of the Top 3 physiques I've seen, with Levrone and an early Wheeler being the other two (Sergio doesn't count, he's in a league of his own ;D).
Regardless what Gold does, I will still think the same regarding his physique.
I'd be a total tool if I wouldn't.
YIP
Zack
A little off here. Ray had a nice body but not even close to the top 3 or 25. The proof is in the results. If I recall right he only won what 1 show. Being 2nd or 3rd or whatever means you didn't have the best body. It means everyone that placed before him is better. And obviously his mouth affected his placings too. But I do find it funny he now supports the group he couldn't get a win from.
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Please put the CRACK pipe down and come back to earth..This is getting funnier every time you post...
Got a better idea, come compete against me. Please stop acting like you are somebody.
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A little off here. Ray had a nice body but not even close to the top 3 or 25. The proof is in the results. If I recall right he only won what 1 show. Being 2nd or 3rd or whatever means you didn't have the best body. It means everyone that placed before him is better. And obviously his mouth affected his placings too. But I do find it funny he now supports the group he couldn't get a win from.
Hi rhino
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Trust me mate.
This guy could hold your gym bag and THEN SOME... ;D
YIP
Zack
Yeah, yeah, if I had a nickel for evertime someone says they could beat me......It's so old stop running your mouth and get onstage. That pic is supposed to "put me in my place?" Please.
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Hi rhino
You are another idiot that is so old, get over it dude. Stay at the computer, and keep making yourself feel better. Bottom line? Your another frustrated wannabe, who never did shit.....
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I don't think I am over my head. My physique is much better. As usuall, you compare my offseason pics(300lbs). To someon, who is in condition(sort of). But please, that physique is not so great, many weaknesses, conditioning tobe the first.
You are in over your head.
I might be clueless, but AI am the only one in this group being photographed by magazines on a regular basis.
I think your confidence is great.
Nice reply, cocky and shit.
But do I agree?
Hell no.
But he's better than you, and he could definitely "carry your gym bag".
If you still think he can't, you're not cocky, you're delusional IMO. ;D
YIP
Zack
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I might be clueless, but AI am the only one in this group being photographed by magazines on a regular basis.
no might be...you ARE clueless...lee priest is photographed more then your old ass...you've been in musclemag two times...one in a pink shirt in your cubicle and another in east coast column...you have yet to be featured in an article...columns big deal...you could be blowing the writer for all we know...what other magazines have you been in grumpy old man ??? you are on the brink of another meltdown...your monster insecurities are so sad to witness...mr olympia of the internet now there is a title to be proud of ::)
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chris, markus, gunter,dennis
Did I miss something here or did these guys actually beat me? ???
Actually I officially won 2 shows ;D
For the record, throughout my entire career, there were only 2 Pro's I didn't beat and that was subjective Lee Haney & Dorian Yates. :-[
As for the rest at one time or another, they all got beat and we took turns losing to each other, not bad company with Labrada, Christian, De Mey, Gaspari, Cutler, Levrone, Wheeler & Co.
Now, who exactly did you beat again and when did you receive your Pro Card?
Rhino or whatever your name is.....Now I have seen pictures of you and must say I was waaay off base.
No wonder I have never heard of you?
That being said, you look like you have a bright future in the PDI, did you get the latest New Flash?
If not, I'm sure your Boy Lee will drop it on you real soon. :'(
I never had the priveledge to become a fan of yours, since I never heard of you but since your doing so well, let me be the 1st to congratulate you on being crowned the Internet Mr.O you look the part, love the Tats & haircut! ;D
Good luck with your career, what are you 40?
Stay fit and forever young you deserve it!
Peace,
S. Ray
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chris, markus, gunter,dennis
Did I miss something here or did these guys actually beat me? ???
Actually I officially won 2 shows ;D
For the record, throughout my entire career, there were only 2 Pro's I didn't beat and that was subjective Lee Haney & Dorian Yates. :-[
As for the rest at one time or another, they all got beat and we took turns losing to each other, not bad company with Labrada, Christian, De Mey, Gaspari, Cutler, Levrone, Wheeler & Co.
Now, who exactly did you beat again and when did you receive your Pro Card?
Rhino or whatever your name is.....Now I have seen pictures of you and must say I was waaay off base.
No wonder I have never heard of you?
That being said, you look like you have a bright future in the PDI, did you get the latest New Flash?
If not, I'm sure your Boy Lee will drop it on you real soon. :'(
I never had the priveledge to become a fan of yours, since I never heard of you but since your doing so well, let me be the 1st to congratulate you on being crowned the Internet Mr.O you look the part, love the Tats & haircut! ;D
Good luck with you career, what are you 40?
Stay fit and forever young you deserve it!
Peace,
S. Ray
Hahahahaha...
Glorious piece.
I think this post will be in the run for post of the year award.
YIP
Zack
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chris, markus, gunter,dennis
Did I miss something here or did these guys actually beat me? ???
Actually I officially won 2 shows ;D
For the record, throughout my entire career, there were only 2 Pro's I didn't beat and that was subjective Lee Haney & Dorian Yates. :-[
As for the rest at one time or another, they all got beat and we took turns losing to each other, not bad company with Labrada, Christian, De Mey, Gaspari, Cutler, Levrone, Wheeler & Co.
Now, who exactly did you beat again and when did you receive your Pro Card?
Rhino or whatever your name is.....Now I have seen pictures of you and must say I was waaay off base.
No wonder I have never heard of you?
That being said, you look like you have a bright future in the PDI, did you get the latest New Flash?
If not, I'm sure your Boy Lee will drop it on you real soon. :'(
I never had the priveledge to become a fan of yours, since I never heard of you but since your doing so well, let me be the 1st to congratulate you on being crowned the Internet Mr.O you look the part, love the Tats & haircut! ;D
Good luck with your career, what are you 40?
Stay fit and forever young you deserve it!
Peace,
S. Ray
Good luckk in my career??? This is fun for me. What about you? Not beating pros you never competed against does not count. You never competed against many of the pros I referenced. But seriously, you obviously know who I am, evertime I post you are there stalking me, Why?
Look at you, at one time you were on top of the bodybuilding world, look at you now...you are a joke. A cliche that guys like me and my associates use as the backdrop to a bad joke.
Career??? You have no idea what that word means. I have a career, one that you could not ever fathom. Please dude, spare me the non-sense, I am so over it.
Shawn Ray-internet troll. Oh by the way, nobody, outside of our ridiculous world knows who you are, I have earned a reputation in the financial world, where people know me in many different capacities, who are you?????
Please hedgehog talks about being delusional, please...you guys are a fucking joke.
Your family still, ahhhhh never mind.......
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Wake up and smell the coffee..
Did I tell you about the world's greatest coffee machine I bought. It Grinds the beans and brews them fresh. Nothing better in the world then a fresh brewed bot of coffee. It even has what I call "hangover" features
you can't start it with out the water, filter, beans, etc. ::)
Now stop fighting or Mama will put you all into corners for a while.
AND there will be NO Spankings ;) :-*
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Good luckk in my career??? This is fun for me. What about you? Not beating pros you never competed against does not count. You never competed against many of the pros I referenced. But seriously, you obviously know who I am, evertime I post you are there stalking me, Why?
Look at you, at one time you were on top of the bodybuilding world, look at you now...you are a joke. A cliche that guys like me and my associates use as the backdrop to a bad joke.
Career??? You have no idea what that word means. I have a career, one that you could not ever fathom. Please dude, spare me the non-sense, I am so over it.
Shawn Ray-internet troll. Oh by the way, nobody, outside of our ridiculous world knows who you are, I have earned a reputation in the financial world, where people know me in many different capacities, who are you?????
Please hedgehog talks about being delusional, please...you guys are a fucking joke.
Your family still, ahhhhh never mind.......
meltdown
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Yeah, yeah, if I had a nickel for evertime someone says they could beat me......It's so old stop running your mouth and get onstage. That pic is supposed to "put me in my place?" Please.
So THAT'S your secret to financial success....you must have amassed MILLIONS of nickels by now.
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So THAT'S your secret to financial success....you must have amassed MILLIONS of nickels by now.
Okay, that was a good one.
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Rhino, in all honesty...your a BB as a hobbie ..the other two, this is thier life. I have nothing else going for them, its this or nothing. One hand you have a fake ass Born again Christian midget who seen the light after f*ckin a dude and the other hand you have the dude. I dont even know why you bother responding to them, they are all spokes in Wieder's wheel. Everyone knows that, and unfortuantely thats all they will amount to in life. Just some dude who was on steroids.
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Rhino, in all honesty...your a BB as a hobbie ..the other two, this is thier life. I have nothing else going for them, its this or nothing. One hand you have a fake ass Born again Christian midget who seen the light after f*ckin a dude and the other hand you have the dude. I dont even know why you bother responding to them, they are all spokes in Wieder's wheel. Everyone knows that, and unfortuantely thats all they will amount to in life. Just some dude who was on steroids.
Wow,you can always count on Jae for the Monster truth. WOW......
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Wow,you can always count on Jae for the Monster truth. WOW......
Hahah where's the comeback to that huh ?? Shawn ? Chick ? no .. not spokes ? maybe ? huh ..... masters world champ you there still ? Ray, did you see God or something ? Wow i guess thats about as cut and dry as you can get huh...
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Shawn, there was nothing 'subjective' about Dorians many victories over you. He crushed, belittled, humiliated and destroyed you so many times you are officially his property.
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Hahah where's the comeback to that huh ?? Shawn ? Chick ? no .. not spokes ? maybe ? huh ..... masters world champ you there still ? Ray, did you see God or something ? Wow i guess thats about as cut and dry as you can get huh...
Was that reply all you needed to get off?
C'mon man.
WTF?
(http://www.p0stwh0res.com/images/roomthinksfunny.jpg)
YIP
Zack
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Was that reply all you needed to get off?
C'mon man.
WTF?
(http://www.p0stwh0res.com/images/roomthinksfunny.jpg)
YIP
Zack
Wrong again, I thought it was hilarious. And so did everyone else.
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You better do some homework.By the way, since we are on the topic, what have you done in bodybuilding?
I smell the coffee, trust me...You could'nt hold my gym bag.
he is not claiming he is a big shot in bodybuilding either...and rhino u as well put down anyone that puts pdi down as well so dont harp on others who support the ifbb as well..it all works both ways
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Wrong again, I thought it was hilarious. And so did everyone else.
Where is this "hilarious"?
And how do you know that everyone else think it's hilarious?
Rhino, in all honesty...your a BB as a hobbie ..the other two, this is thier life. I have nothing else going for them, its this or nothing. One hand you have a fake ass Born again Christian midget who seen the light after f*ckin a dude and the other hand you have the dude. I dont even know why you bother responding to them, they are all spokes in Wieder's wheel. Everyone knows that, and unfortuantely thats all they will amount to in life. Just some dude who was on steroids.
YIP
Zack
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Where is this "hilarious"?
And how do you know that everyone else think it's hilarious?
YIP
Zack
Because I do, ever hear of pm?
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Because I do, ever hear of pm?
Great.
I didn't ask why.
I asked WHERE it was hilarious:
Rhino, in all honesty...your a BB as a hobbie ..the other two, this is thier life. I have nothing else going for them, its this or nothing. One hand you have a fake ass Born again Christian midget who seen the light after f*ckin a dude and the other hand you have the dude. I dont even know why you bother responding to them, they are all spokes in Wieder's wheel. Everyone knows that, and unfortuantely thats all they will amount to in life. Just some dude who was on steroids.
YIP
Zack
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LOL nobody pm you shit rhino. Jae that comment wasnt funny kid. Rhino may I ask you why take up bodybuilding when you are making millions of dollars a year? As you claim
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Tomanator is a great canadian monster ! 8)
Competing this year ?
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LOL nobody pm you shit rhino. Jae that comment wasnt funny kid. Rhino may I ask you why take up bodybuilding when you are making millions of dollars a year? As you claim
When did I ever say I made millions of dollars per year????? I do well, enough said.
I am a bodybuilder for the pure love of it, and I enjoy many of the relationships I have been lucky enough to acquire. Unlike you and others, I don't do things with an agenda, I am not trying to make a living, I just enjoy it.
Does that bother you? Can you even comprehend that? Why don't yopu stop being such a creep, and try being nice to people, it may come back to you someday.
Be happy, I am.
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love the Tats & haircut!
Peace,
S. Ray
Shawn arent you bald? and didnt you wear a toupee for a while?
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Tomanator is a great canadian monster ! 8)
Competing this year ?
Thanks Bro---Yes -23 days out of the Nationals. 8)
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I tried to compliment the guy, I do love his haircut, it makes us "Kindred Spirits." ;D
Bald is Beautiful
Sadly, it does not join us in the brotherhood of Professional Bodybuilding. :-\
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I tried to compliment the guy, I do love his haircut, it makes us "Kindred Spirits." ;D
Bald is Beautiful
Sadly, it does not join us in the brotherhood of Professional Bodybuilding. :-\
Shawn,
Kamali is going to get jealous if you find a new target.
I really think you should consider his feelings.
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Thanks Bro---Yes -23 days out of the Nationals. 8)
good luck!!
(nice to see you back in the game)
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You're right, my bad :-*
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I tried to compliment the guy, I do love his haircut, it makes us "Kindred Spirits." ;D
Bald is Beautiful
Sadly, it does not join us in the brotherhood of Professional Bodybuilding. :-\
Shawn, how bout goin easy on me, I am an old man....
Beilive me, I don't kid myself, I know I will never be the bodybuilder you were/are. I just wish you would take it easy on me, it hurts to know that someone you look up to, bashes you, when not even knowing you.
Just a little bit of truth from me.....
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Shawn, how bout goin easy on me, I am an old man....
Beilive me, I don't kid myself, I know I will never be the bodybuilder you were/are. I just wish you would take it easy on me, it hurts to know that someone you look up to, bashes you, when not even knowing you.
Just a little bit of truth from me.....
Jack....................you estrogen loading today?!??!
snap out of it!!!!!
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Jack....................you estrogen loading today?!??!
snap out of it!!!!!
No, just trying to be a gentleman. A peace offering.
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No, just trying to be a gentleman. A peace offering.
your getting ready to rumble as a "pro-bodybuilder"
at the NOC
you should be crapping lighting and puking thunder!!!!
fuck peace................... ........................ ..............
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your getting ready to rumble as a "pro-bodybuilder"
at the NOC
you should be crapping lighting and puking thunder!!!!
f**k peace................... ........................ ..............
Yeah, I know. I just wanted to see the response. i guess I got my answer.
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your getting ready to rumble as a "pro-bodybuilder"
at the NOC
you should be crapping lighting and puking thunder!!!!
f**k peace................... ........................ ..............
You think Gregg Valentino is a great guy, right?
YIP
Zack
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chris, markus, gunter,dennis
Did I miss something here or did these guys actually beat me? ???
Actually I officially won 2 shows ;D
For the record, throughout my entire career, there were only 2 Pro's I didn't beat and that was subjective Lee Haney & Dorian Yates. :-[
As for the rest at one time or another, they all got beat and we took turns losing to each other, not bad company with Labrada, Christian, De Mey, Gaspari, Cutler, Levrone, Wheeler & Co.
Now, who exactly did you beat again and when did you receive your Pro Card?
Rhino or whatever your name is.....Now I have seen pictures of you and must say I was waaay off base.
No wonder I have never heard of you?
That being said, you look like you have a bright future in the PDI, did you get the latest New Flash?
If not, I'm sure your Boy Lee will drop it on you real soon. :'(
I never had the priveledge to become a fan of yours, since I never heard of you but since your doing so well, let me be the 1st to congratulate you on being crowned the Internet Mr.O you look the part, love the Tats & haircut! ;D
Good luck with your career, what are you 40?
Stay fit and forever young you deserve it!
Peace,
S. Ray
Totally owned and the best part is "I never had the priveledge to become a fan of yours" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Team Shawn Ray
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You think Gregg Valentino is a great guy, right?
YIP
Zack
yes actually i do .............(he has done a lot for me)
and hedge............any chance you can be a "silent" moderator??
thanks.................. Mike
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yes actually i do .............(he has done a lot for me)
and hedge............any chance you can be a "silent" moderator??
thanks.................. Mike
He hates the Rhino. personal problem I guess....whatever
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any pics jack?!??!?
hows the prep???
weight???
how u feeling??
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Shawn, how bout goin easy on me, I am an old man....
Beilive me, I don't kid myself, I know I will never be the bodybuilder you were/are. I just wish you would take it easy on me, it hurts to know that someone you look up to, bashes you, when not even knowing you.
Just a little bit of truth from me.....
:'(
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Totally owned and the best part is "I never had the priveledge to become a fan of yours" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Team Shawn Ray
Actually, you're slightly wrong.
The ownage occured when London pleaded for mercy (later in the thread).
Hope this heps.
YIP
Zack
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One of the greats :o
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Actually, you're slightly wrong.
The ownage occured when London pleaded for mercy (later in the thread).
Hope this heps.
YIP
Zack
You know what hedge, fuck you. Nobody ever owned me, and I never pleaded.
Ron should be ashamed to have you as a moderator, you are a loser, first class.
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Rhino,
Just turn off your Firefox for the next couple of weeks and do your thing. All this mindless chatter can't be good for your mindset. Like Avilla said, shit bricks and fart thunder or whatever.
Special "Scorpions: The Zoo" Ed
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Rhino,
Just turn off your Firefox for the next couple of weeks and do your thing. All this mindless chatter can't be good for your mindset. Like Avilla said, shit bricks and fart thunder or whatever.
Special "Scorpions: The Zoo" Ed
Probably the best advice I have gotten in a long time, thanks bro.
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You know what hedge, f**k you. Nobody ever owned me, and I never pleaded.
Ron should be ashamed to have you as a moderator, you are a loser, first class.
ROARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRR
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any pics jack?!??!?
hows the prep???
weight???
how u feeling??
Prep is going great!!! I am ready, hard as nails! And my symmetry is better this year.
I will be a solid 250lbs on stage.
I am tired a bit, but mainly getting nervous and a bit anxious. Need to calm down.
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Get your lady to give you a nice relaxing massage. ;)
Or if she is busy, Mike would look good in a little French Maid outfit.....
<I smell Photoshoping> ;D
i was hoping to get you and her together, and well.......
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"Her" as in Mike and the French Maid outfit? :-*
Whatever floats your boat
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Ok, at least now I know your Real name Jack.
I'll take it easy, kinda hard here when it is mostly ATTACK Mode after getting through some of the threads.
Your right, we never met, I have only seen 2 pictures of you and I wish you well.
This should be an exciting time for you, a fresh start and Big Stage.
I'll back off and enjoy the fireworks!
What will you do if the show doesn't happen?
You have a Plan B?
Try not to take the boards serious, you'll only lose your hair! ;D
Well, I'll take the Olive branch and back off, train hard and good luck.
S. Ray
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Said like the true champion you are Shawn.
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Said like the true champion you are Shawn.
send me a pic through email
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exactly how many ifbb athletes are there? its up in the triple digits, or close to it, right? how many of them have endorsements?
Actually you will be surprised ?? Allot of them most likely do , these are usually extensions of deals they had as armatures, I myself was sponsored by the same company for 15 years whilst competting, when I turned pro my sponsorship went from product supply and appearance money to a full time salary, and in that I had to nominate what I was going to do for that year, including shows , seminars appearances etc , my company had a minimum requirement of things I had to do through out the year to justify my salary base, things like guest posing over and above my contract where mine entirely and they also had a manager helping me organise things , so because of this being a common format for a sponsorship contract ,it would be hard for a IFBB pro to go to the PDI as they dont have enough events for a Sponsorship company to recognise value for money of their athlete, and if the company has no intention of sponsoring the PDI this also could be a sticking point , hence why we haven't sen a mass exodus of IFBB pros going to the PDI
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Where the fcuk is the real Shawn Ray? I agree with Miss Karen that this version "sounds" like a champ. Those who have the accomplishments to earn bragging rights, are those I hope don't invoke them to nefarious ends. At any rate, these posts are mirroring the classy physique that was Shawn Ray.
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Where the fcuk is the real Shawn Ray? I agree with Miss Karen that this version "sounds" like a champ. Those who have the accomplishments to earn bragging rights, are those I hope don't invoke them to nefarious ends. At any rate, these posts are mirroring the classy physique that was Shawn Ray.
I think it's the wifey. Sounds to nice to be the real Sean.
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Keith, we spoke at the USA's and we were cool with eachother, you dont want to mess that up again do ya?
I told you I was coming out there by the end of the year, you dont wanna mess up a Free Dinner yo, so chill son.
I'm trying to be nice >:(
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Ok, at least now I know your Real name Jack.
I'll take it easy, kinda hard here when it is mostly ATTACK Mode after getting through some of the threads.
Your right, we never met, I have only seen 2 pictures of you and I wish you well.
This should be an exciting time for you, a fresh start and Big Stage.
I'll back off and enjoy the fireworks!
What will you do if the show doesn't happen?
You have a Plan B?
Try not to take the boards serious, you'll only lose your hair! ;D
Well, I'll take the Olive branch and back off, train hard and good luck.
S. Ray
Thank you Shawn, I apreciate that. That means alot to me, really. I feel better now, you have always been someone I look up to from a bodybuilding perspective. I do not have plan B, maybe you have some advise?
check my website www.LondonIsburning.com click on "journal, at the bottom some pics of me in shape.
thanks bro, now I am happy....
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Keith, we spoke at the USA's and we were cool with eachother, you dont want to mess that up again do ya?
I told you I was coming out there by the end of the year, you dont wanna mess up a Free Dinner yo, so chill son.
I'm trying to be nice >:(
No sh*t Keith...whats up with that sh*t?
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Actually you will be surprised ?? Allot of them most likely do , these are usually extensions of deals they had as armatures, I myself was sponsored by the same company for 15 years whilst competting, when I turned pro my sponsorship went from product supply and appearance money to a full time salary, and in that I had to nominate what I was going to do for that year, including shows , seminars appearances etc , my company had a minimum requirement of things I had to do through out the year to justify my salary base, things like guest posing over and above my contract where mine entirely and they also had a manager helping me organise things , so because of this being a common format for a sponsorship contract ,it would be hard for a IFBB pro to go to the PDI as they dont have enough events for a Sponsorship company to recognise value for money of their athlete, and if the company has no intention of sponsoring the PDI this also could be a sticking point , hence why we haven't sen a mass exodus of IFBB pros going to the PDI
oh, marc, then let me ask you something... why in the world would lee jump ship. will it not void his twinlab contract due to limited contests? 6th in the 06 olympia was a lock, and he wont get to see it if he does the noc. so what gives?
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Hey Jack,
I want to sincerely say good luck to you, I wont be in town that weekend to see the show.
So all the best in your final weeks of prep.
Vinny G
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Hey Jack,
I want to sincerely say good luck to you, I wont be in town that weekend to see the show.
So all the best in your final weeks of prep.
Vinny G
Thanks Vinny, the feeling is mutual. You are a good guy, always have been.
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Sheesh
GET A ROOM YOU TWO! :-*
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Sheesh
GET A ROOM YOU TWO! :-*
WANNA MAKE IT A 3SOME?
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I'll send the Maid by...
That's much better then anything I was going to say. ;D
You guys know i was joking....sorry if i offended you SIN
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You guys know i was joking....sorry if i offended you SIN
All good with me, No offense taken. 8)
It was actually really funny.
It is pretty hard to offend me, piss me off, well that is another story.
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that chick in the maid outfit is HOT!!!!!
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that chick in the maid outfit is HOT!!!!!
why does she have facial hair :-\
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why does she have facial hair :-\
those are tattoos
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I'd bang that !
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LOL at arvilla posing in the french maid dress. Does he have a candy striper outfit? hahahaha
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I'd bang that !
missing this:
(http://www.wizardofozcostumes.com/pictures/accessories_wig_dorothy.jpg)
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