Maybe they had alot of local publicity?
...that list should have been put up on their website for the show
What website? ;D
The Atlantic City Pro could have really been a pretty good show if it was promoted right. I can't believe that they turned down a free webcast from bodybuilding.com The IFBB should regulate the shows in which they put their name on. The Atlantic City Pro is one of the last Olympia qualifers!!!!! This should be a hyped show!!!! C-mon... Ive seen more publicity for local NPC shows. Whats up with the smaller shows? They are not giving bodybuilding the amount of publicity necessary for proper growth of the sport. Pros are Pros and there are other shows out there besides the O. I just don't get it?
Whether they fill their venue with locals or not is beside the point. There are bodybuilding fans all over the world, and if the IFBB wants the sport to grow, they need to promote it. The web and webcasts provide a cost-effective way to do that. The value to the promoters is this: since the number of people watching increases exponentially, the advertising value to the sponsors also increases. That's where the money in real sports comes from: broadcasting and advertising. The money coming from the asses in seats at the venue is not even close to being the primary income source. This could be even more important to a sport like bodybuilding, where you never have enough fans in one place at one time to fill much of a venue. Yet what do these shortsighted fools choose to focus on? Local ticket sales. ::)
It's up to the promoters to do a webcast or not, it's not handed down by the IFBB whether to do one or not.
The PDI wasn't webcasted, is it a 1/2 assed bush league too?
It's up to the promoters to do a webcast or not, it's not handed down by the IFBB whether to do one or not.
The PDI wasn't webcasted, is it a 1/2 assed bush league too?
If you notice the I.F.B.B. doesn't really promote it's shows, the people running the shows and the people sponsoring do all the promoting. The I.F.B.B. doesn't seem to care if anyone shows up, they already have the placings set ::)
The Atlantic City Pro could have really been a pretty good show if it was promoted right. I can't believe that they turned down a free webcast from bodybuilding.com The IFBB should regulate the shows in which they put their name on. The Atlantic City Pro is one of the last Olympia qualifers!!!!! This should be a hyped show!!!! C-mon... Ive seen more publicity for local NPC shows. Whats up with the smaller shows? They are not giving bodybuilding the amount of publicity necessary for proper growth of the sport. Pros are Pros and there are other shows out there besides the O. I just don't get it?
Yeah, very true. or so it seems.
Once they get their "fees", the IFBB doesn't seem to care what happens.
But don't let a guy try to earn a pay day somewhere else, cause that's where they put their foot down!
This is not an IFBB matter...The onus of running the show falls cleanly on the promoters shoulders. The IFBB is a sanctioning body...thats all they do.
The IFBB cannot mandate that the promoters have to advertise, or have a webcast, etc...of course, it's in the promoters best interest if their looking to make a profit and grow the show.
It's up to the promoters to do a webcast or not, it's not handed down by the IFBB whether to do one or not.
The PDI wasn't webcasted, is it a 1/2 assed bush league too?
Bullshit. The IFBB can do anything it damn well pleases.
The only reason it's "not an IFBB matter" is because the IFBB chooses not to make it one, which is pretty sad.
I shouldn't have to tell you this, Bob... I mean, you're dumb, but you're not stupid. ::)
i heard the pre judging was about 150 people.
Could you guys piss and moan any more? You've been spoiled by bb.com bringing the shows to the web. When they did all you did was complain at the quality and the production value. Now you DEMAND a webcast for every show? ::) Be thankful for guys like Bill Comstock/graphic muscle and Flexonline for delivering photos in a timely fashion. You used to have to wait until the mags came out to see ANY coverage.
Enough with the bitching already.
STFU, Lift. If someone comes up with a clearly superior way of doing things, it should be the new standard, period. Just look at any product that has existed for a long time, and tell me consumer expectations of what is minimally acceptable aren't way higher than they were 10 or 20 years ago (cars are a good example, but this applies to everything). Who the fucck cares if you had to wait two months for the mags to come out in 1992? Guess what, Isaac? It ain't 1992 anymore! ::)When was the last time you left your house and actually supported a show with your money - you know actually buying a ticket? What I thought. Zip it goatballs.
When was the last time you left your house and actually supported a show with your money - you know actually buying a ticket? What I thought. Zip it goatballs.
Why the hell does this sport choose to reamain so primative? Its a classic sport that has been around for decades. We, should be on PPV each event. What is the basic cost for putting an event on televisioesn?... Wrestling manages to get each and every event on PPV? I don't see why the athletes are not pushing for expansion harder. The IFBB has the sport by the balls! And we all suffer because of it. Pros deserve to be known......
Could you guys piss and moan any more? You've been spoiled by bb.com bringing the shows to the web. When they did all you did was complain at the quality and the production value. Now you DEMAND a webcast for every show? ::) Be thankful for guys like Bill Comstock/graphic muscle and Flexonline for delivering photos in a timely fashion. You used to have to wait until the mags came out to see ANY coverage.
Enough with the bitching already.
If the IFBB wants bigger shows, they have to cut the sanctioning fee's out for 2 years. There is no way someone is going to do a pro show these days, in a decent venue, advertise it properly and make money. If you run a full event, meaning women/mens bb'ing, fitness and figure it will cost you 75k with the prize purse and sanctioning fee's. Include the rental of your venue, advertising, staging, lighting, labor, union fee's and hoards of other shit, there is NO WAY it's going to make money.
People don't go to bodybuilding shows, get that through your heads. That is why I did the FIRST ever webcast of a bb'ing event. For shows to make money they will need to offer a service like this in a PPV type of format. The events simply won't draw enough people otherwise.
If the IFBB wants bigger shows, they have to cut the sanctioning fee's out for 2 years. There is no way someone is going to do a pro show these days, in a decent venue, advertise it properly and make money. If you run a full event, meaning women/mens bb'ing, fitness and figure it will cost you 75k with the prize purse and sanctioning fee's. Include the rental of your venue, advertising, staging, lighting, labor, union fee's and hoards of other shit, there is NO WAY it's going to make money.No, your wrong. Take the Olympia for instance, The show is massively promoted and draws an entire weekend. Apparently there are fans out there, they travel from everywhere to see the Olympia. Just like a nightclub, these smaller events just need more promotion. They can't just rely on the old word of mouth and a few magazine ads. They need to be heavily advertised events. More flyers, web advertisement, and possibly even radio. How would we know theres no fans if we never even tried to get any? Bodybuilding is just as strong as womens softball and there on national TV. We need more youth on the promotions side. These old men promote like old men.
People don't go to bodybuilding shows, get that through your heads. That is why I did the FIRST ever webcast of a bb'ing event. For shows to make money they will need to offer a service like this in a PPV type of format. The events simply won't draw enough people otherwise.
No, your wrong.
Take the Olympia for instance, The show is massively promoted and draws an entire weekend. Apparently there are fans out there, they travel from everywhere to see the Olympia
Just like a nightclub, these smaller events just need more promotion. They can't just rely on the old word of mouth and a few magazine ads. They need to be heavily advertised events. More flyers, web advertisement, and possibly even radio. How would we know theres no fans if we never even tried to get any?
Bodybuilding is just as strong as womens softball and there on national TV. We need more youth on the promotions side. These old men promote like old men.
Just a warning, I'm getting ready to own youWOW!!! lay off the AAS bro..... They tend to make people aggressive! Why do you think people don't go to pro shows, almighty? Who's fault might that be, the fans? No way. Its the promoters!!!!! Your the type of person who makes this kinda shit(the boards) no fun. Get a life..... Don't take it to the heart! :-*
The olympia and the arnold never sell out. The amout of tickets given away is unreal. The reason the O is massively promoted, it is OWNED by a magazine. You have two shows a year that make real money and are held in a real venue, no other pro show is like that. Why do you think promotors put on an NPC show with a pro show. That is the ONLY way to get fans there. Family/friends comes to watch their friends/family compete.
I ran 12 ads in M&F/Flex/Mens Fitness. I also had ads in MD. I direct emailed 100k supplement purchasing people within 500 miles of the venue spot. I did another direct mailing through AMI (real mail not email) that went to 75k people within 750 miles of charlotte. I posted on every major message board, did local radio and tv. Don't tell me about promotion. We had less than 200 people at our night show. Get it in your head, PEOPLE DON'T GO TO PRO SHOWS.
You are stupid if you think womens softball and bb'ing are on the same level. Last time I checked every major D1 school in the country wasn't giving scholarships for bb'ing. It isn't an olympic sport. The number of people doing softball outnumbers bb'ing by at least 100:1.
Could you guys piss and moan any more? You've been spoiled by bb.com bringing the shows to the web. When they did all you did was complain at the quality and the production value. Now you DEMAND a webcast for every show? ::) Be thankful for guys like Bill Comstock/graphic muscle and Flexonline for delivering photos in a timely fashion. You used to have to wait until the mags came out to see ANY coverage.U know...it's called demand...and the market should adapt....progress...stop making an excuse for mediocrity.they should try to webcast every show...they need to....the sport is dying....there use to be a decent pro circuit in the 80's and early 90's...now it's just olympia and classic and ray's show and a handful of 10k...look around at other sports with pro circuits....FUCK...even squash is doing better (the raquet sport ...not the veggie)
Enough with the bitching already.
WOW!!! lay off the AAS bro..... They tend to make people aggressive! Why do you think people don't go to pro shows, almighty? Who's fault might that be, the fans? No way. Its the promoters!!!!! Your the type of person who makes this kinda shit(the boards) no fun. Get a life..... Don't take it to the heart
U know...it's called demand...and the market should adapt....progress...stop making an excuse for mediocrity.they should try to webcast every show...they need to....the sport is dying....there use to be a decent pro circuit in the 80's and early 90's...now it's just olympia and classic and ray's show and a handful of 10k...look around at other sports with pro circuits....f**k...even squash is doing better (the raquet sport ...not the veggie)Demand - what a handful of guys who cruise the message boards, who don't support the industry besides their insults and attacks? Yeah let's all run and meet their demands.
ill see you at the O... .and im gonna laugh in your f-ing face punk. Plus F-uck 1fast400 overpriced, onorganized, peice of shit site!!!! your nothing bro.... your killin your own business. Just because you know everything!!!!
I'd say I did pretty well.
...what a handful of guys who cruise the message boards, who don't support the industry besides their insults and attacks? Yeah let's all run and meet their demands.
Yeah it must have been really fucking hard selling shite pro hormones to the sea of clueless cuntboxes desperate for supposed steroid like gains LOL, well done you, you low rate scumfuck
If it were so easy, how come more aren't doing it? You realize PH haven't been sold for almost 2 years? If you think the online business is SO easy, why not give it a shot yourself. There is a good reason why 5-6 sites are light years ahead in volume compared to others.
listen fat lad, you made your money selling pro hormones and other piss weak 'research' products to gullible fuckwits with no clue on how to source genuine products from elsewhere. Jesus, you are nothing more than a pusher of snakeoil to deluded clowns attempting to reach the end of the rainbow. hurrah, you scurrilous little shitbag
Fatlad at 7% bf, interesting. You'd rather people break the law and buy steroids? At least at the time the stuff was legal. That's much better, lets send them to random sources to buy steroids and hope what they bought was legit. I love how that site has 4,000 items on it and you want to focus on 20. As if those 20 items made up ALL of the sales. I guess you think protein/bcaa/creatine are all snake oil as well?
It's ok to be jealous, really.
I seriously doubt you'll come to my face and laugh. You really should visit 5th grade english class, it's you're not your. I assume you meant unorganized?
As far as 1fast400, I sold my companies back in June. I'm 27 years old and retired. I'd say I did pretty well.
no, lard ass, you know full well that [in terms of profit] the mark up on your snake oil products would have blown the shit out of the latter products you mention (whey etc) so dont come your straw man bullshit here, sonny
You know full well that the vast bulk of your product line is irrelevant, and that most of your turnover came from the aforementioned pro hormones (together with the piss weak research chemicals)
that - again as stated - you EAGERLY sold to hapless wankers so keen to spunk their monthly wages on a crappy tub of pro hormones in an effort to grab steroid like gains
You, you evil little man, would have sold - without qualm - overpriced products to customers. You would have known full well that, that month, their money would be spent on your poison rather than on clothes/food/school books for their young children You SIR are an evil little spoke in the black, satanic, shitstained wheel that turns daily for many in this contemporay society, a society many attempt to pass off as a healthy world You sick little shit!
Demand - what a handful of guys who cruise the message boards, who don't support the industry besides their insults and attacks? Yeah let's all run and meet their demands.i coudn't have watched it anyway ..iwas in front of the camera
Yes, I think that webcasting shows can be a good idea, if like Mike mentioned, there is a small charge for it. Otherwise I think people will say why go to the show when I can sit at home and watch it on the web for free.
Who's making an excuse for mediocrity? It's the promoter's choice to do a webcast, not the IFBB's. What's so hard to understand about that? When's the last time you watched a squash webcast? LOL.
Garraeth, stating facts is not a guilt trip. You are one of the thousands of cheap asses that keep this industry from growing. You expect everything for free and give nothing back.
This is not an IFBB matter...The onus of running the show falls cleanly on the promoters shoulders. The IFBB is a sanctioning body...thats all they do.
The IFBB cannot mandate that the promoters have to advertise, or have a webcast, etc...of course, it's in the promoters best interest if their looking to make a profit and grow the show.
A major reason why the Weiders never tried to expand BB is because they were afraid of losing control. If major sponsors came in the possibility of them wanting to have a say-so in how things worked could easily happen.