Michelle Malkin: A True Police state: How Mexico treats illegal aliens.

[blacken700]

Michelle Malkin, now she a sorce of information

[Soul Crusher]

Blacken we have had a good discussion back and forth on this topic and you have to chipe in w that bs?

[blacken700]

just pointing out shes not credible, she just a hack

[24KT]

First off, child services do not just "show up" at a house. They are summoned there.

Secondly, deadbeat parents who fail to pay child support do not have custody of their kids. that's why they are paying child support to the custodial parent.

The physical appearances of an environment (unsafe / unsanitary home) is a far cry from the physical appearances of a person.  

So again I ask... what would be the criteria? that's something neither you, 333, the proponents of this discriminatory legislation including Sherriff Arpaio refuse to answer.

You've clearly missed the point. I'm NOT advising you on how to handle illegals.
I'm advising you of how NOT to handle legal American citizens and law enforcement.

In the quest to catch illegals, you will be infringing on the 4th amendment rights of citizens with NAZI tactics...
...at the personal discretion of cops. That's a kettle of worms you don't want. It's rife with opportunity for abuse, and it opens up police officers to too much liability in the form of civil charges. The cops are put in a no-win catch 22 situation requiring them to violate the 4th amendment rights of everyone in order to cover their asses from potential civil suits... which opens their asses up on federal charges of violating a citizens constitutional rights. if he doesn't violate a citizens constitutional rights... he opens himself up to civil charges. The biggest losers in this proposed scenario are legal American residents and cops. The consequences for them far outweigh the consequences for the few illegals that could potentially be ferreted out, and it's enforcement would prove a far greater drain on resources than the illegals presently pose.

If there are any cops on here, please speak up and tell me if you think I'm off base in my assessment.

Was I right? ...or was I right?

... and 333 calls it hyperbole.  

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=329236.msg4693508#msg4693508

[drkaje]

Was I right? ...or was I right?

... and 333 calls it hyperbole.  

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=329236.msg4693508#msg4693508

They should all be kicked out.

[George Whorewell]

Some of you people are such fucking idiots it makes my hair hurt. I'm not going to explain for the 20th time what constitutes reasonable suspicion and why the AZ law ( and all laws in this country) does not allow the police to generate reasonable suspicion based on race alone. 333 has explained it, I have explained it and the more intelligent people who post here have explained it. The rest of you need to get a clue.

There is nothing more pathetic than observing people spout off on topics they are utterly ignorant on. Unfortunately, having people who do know what they are talking about explain it to you guys ad naseum doesn't work. Keep the circle jerk of stupidity and misinformation going! Great job guys!

[George Whorewell]

Oh and just for good measure since one of the idiots who posts here brought up the concept of pretextual stops. In Wren v. United States the Supreme Court held that Pretextual stops ARE CONSTITUTIONAL AND DO NOT VIOLATE THE 4TH AMENDMENT.

By law the police can pull someone over who has committed a minor traffic violation and use the stop to build probable cause ( and reasonable suspicion) that eventually leads to an arrest.

Sorry to burst everyones bubble.

[benchmstr]

Oh and just for good measure since one of the idiots who posts here brought up the concept of pretextual stops. In Wren v. United States the Supreme Court held that Pretextual stops ARE CONSTITUTIONAL AND DO NOT VIOLATE THE 4TH AMENDMENT.

By law the police can pull someone over who has committed a minor traffic violation and use the stop to build probable cause ( and reasonable suspicion) that eventually leads to an arrest.

Sorry to burst everyones bubble.

this is true..... when i worked patrol , and was bored i used to pull people over just to make sure they had a texas drivers license......

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[benchmstr]

Some of you people are such fucking idiots it makes my hair hurt. I'm not going to explain for the 20th time what constitutes reasonable suspicion and why the AZ law ( and all laws in this country) does not allow the police to generate reasonable suspicion based on race alone. 333 has explained it, I have explained it and the more intelligent people who post here have explained it. The rest of you need to get a clue.

There is nothing more pathetic than observing people spout off on topics they are utterly ignorant on. Unfortunately, having people who do know what they are talking about explain it to you guys ad naseum doesn't work. Keep the circle jerk of stupidity and misinformation going! Great job guys!

judging by most of your post on here i can assume that you just graduated from some type of criminal law study......the problem is that in itself...you understand the theory, but you dont yet understand the practice.....you will understand what i mean soon enough...

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