my thoughts on the fedor rogers fight

[Fury]

Rogers could, Overeem ain't passing an AC test. 

If Brock Lesnar can pass an AC test, Overeem should have no trouble.

[MindSpin]

  He beat Arlovski, who was ranked as the number 2 in the UFC when he left and fought Fedor. Get a grip. He defeated both Nogueira and Crocop, who were the stars of the UFC when they signed with the UFC after PRIDE collapsed - they are old and past prime now. He has defeated 5 UFC champs so far - Arlovski, Rendlemen, Coleman, Sylvia and the other guy who's name I forgot - and with the exception of Sylvia they were all top fighters. So he needs to go to the UFC and defeat a former WWF bafoon with a total of 5 fights to prove that he's the best? What a stupid logic.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

 Yes, he's defeated a lot of top heavy weights...but that is ancient history.  What's he done lately?  Arlovski? He was cut by the UFC and was half the fighter he used to be when he fought Fedor. Brett Rogers?   Hong Man Choi..ha ha!  A middle weight Matt Lindland?  A light weight Shinya Aoki?

He took third in his precious Sambo World Championships in 08!  He's past his prime and there are better guys out there now, most in the UFC.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

[marty31672]

first of all rogers did alot better than i thought he would. i really think he would do ok in the ufc. with that being said the guy is an idiot. he talked crazy during the showtime special then after he got knocked out he talks crazy and gets booed during his post fight interview. i mean he wasn;t even humbeled after his defeat..if big john wouldn;t have stepped in rogers face would have smashed and he would be in the emergency room right now. its time these american fighters act more humble..fedor is a great example of how a fighter should carry himself

relax man he was just heated following a hard loss in the biggest fight of his life
forgive him for not praising fedor right there on the spot 

[suckmymuscle]

Yes, he's defeated a lot of top heavy weights...but that is ancient history.  What's he done lately?  Arlovski? He was cut by the UFC and was half the fighter he used to be when he fought Fedor.

  Lie! He was not cut by the UFC! Dana bitch White even flew to Chicago to try to convince him to stay in the UFC. He was ranked as the number 2 guy in the UFC when he fought Fedor.

Brett Rogers?

  Brett Rogers is the size of Brock Lesnar with superior striking power and he won all of his previous fights by KO. Just because a rookie fighter with enormous talent is not well known yet doesen't mean that he isn't great. Fedor was also a nobody back in 2002 when he defeated Semi Shultz. Everybody has to start somewhere and fame isn't build in a day. Rogers is already ranked in the top 5 heavyweight list by Sherdog.

 Hong Man Choi..ha ha!

  I agree with you that he's overhyped, but the man is 7'3 and 360 lbs making Brock Lesnar a bitch next to him, and that kind of sheer size is a problem for any fighter. Choi did pretty well at K-1.
 

A middle weight Matt Lindland?

  So what? George St. Pierre is a middle weight and is regarded by some as the best pound-for-pound fighter in the World. Machida is a light-heavyweight and would defeat 90% of heavyweights out there. Weight doeesen't mean shit.

 A light weight Shinya Aoki?

  Agreed. I never claimed that each and every single of Fedor's opponents were great. Brock Lesnar has also fought fighters of the shitty caliber of Frank Mir, so there you have it.

He took third in his precious Sambo World Championships in 08!

  Not surprising: he trains for MMA and not for sambo tournaments. He dedicates only one third of his training time to the ground game. Imagine if he only trained for sambo.

 He's past his prime and there are better guys out there now, most in the UFC.

  Lesnar is only 8 months younger than Fedor, so going by your logic he is past his prime also. Randy Couture peaked in his late thirties. You have no way of knowing whether Fedor is past his prime or not. He might just be peaking right now. He is still in his early thirties. As I see it, an argument for him to be starting to get old can be made when he hits 35, but no sooner. He still has at least a good 2-3 years left.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

  Lol, Fedor has never been beat and has walked all over every UFC fighter he ever faced. How is my bubble burst?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[MindSpin]

suckmymuscle, my quote feature isn't working so I'll address a couple of your biggest errors. 

Arlovski was cut by the UFC.  After loosing to Sylvia (twice), he had a string of boring fights and was no longer a draw. 

Brett hasn't done anything to prove himself other than catching a past his prime Arlovski.  Again, another can for Fedor. 

Weight has nothing to do with fighting???  Really?  Why do they have weight classes then? 

Age has nothing to do with when someone is in their prime.  The best example is Couture.  He was a much better fighter in his early 40's than in his 30's.  Fedor is past his prime.  Even his boxing coach is on record saying that his punching speed has slowed down.

Fedor has never been beat...true.  But, that is easy to do when you handpick opponents and fight cans.  Again, put him in the UFC and have him win the belt.  I'll be the first to give him props.

[Fury]

How many times has Rogers knocked Lesnar out sparring now? Was it 3 times? Brock Lesnar, the GREATEST fighter the UFC has ever seen, getting knocked out by a "can". Guess that says a lot about the UFC HW division when its best fighter gets KO'd sparring cans.

[suckmymuscle]

suckmymuscle, my quote feature isn't working so I'll address a couple of your biggest errors. Arlovski was cut by the UFC.  After loosing to Sylvia (twice), he had a string of boring fights and was no longer a draw.  

  Prove it. He was actually in a winning streak when he lost to Fedor. Dana White never expelled Arlovski from the UFC. Prove otherwise.

Brett hasn't done anything to prove himself other than catching a past his prime Arlovski.  Again, another can for Fedor.  

  How is a 270 lbs monster who won all of his previous 10 fights by KO a can? I find it amazing that you're not impressed by the fact that Fedor knocked out a man who is 5" taller and 40 lbs heavier than himself. In fact, he's the size of Brock Lesnar. Again, answer me my question: What would have happened if Lesnar were standing in Rogers' place and took that punch? Would he remain standing?

Weight has nothing to do with fighting???  Really?  Why do they have weight classes then?  

  Since weight is so important, so why are you not impressed by the fact that Fedor KTFO a man who for all practical purposes belongs to a higher weight class than himself? He is so good that he defeats guys that carry 50 lbs of muscle more than he does.

Age has nothing to do with when someone is in their prime.  The best example is Couture.  He was a much better fighter in his early 40's than in his 30's.  Fedor is past his prime.  

  Exactly. Thanks for repeating verbatim what I said. So how do you know if he is past his prime? He still hasn't lost, so you have no argument for stating that he is past his prime given that he still can defeat much larger men than himself.

Even his boxing coach is on record saying that his punching speed has slowed down.

  Sources please...?

Fedor has never been beat...true.  But, that is easy to do when you handpick opponents and fight cans.

  Lesnar won the belt fighting cans: a nobody called Frank Mir who's clame to fame is beating a post-prime Nogueira - and the can beat Lesnar with a foot lock, which is unheard of - and a geriatric Randy Couture way past his prime who is also much smaller than himself. What makes him better than Fedor, who defeated prime Nogueira, Crocop, Randleman, Goodrich, Coleman etcetera ad infinitum?

 Again, put him in the UFC and have him win the belt.  I'll be the first to give him props.

  PRIDE was bigger and better than the UFC and he won the heavyweight belt there three times. Why does he need to prove hmself in a shitty American organization where over 80% of fighters are Americans? Why do you assume that UFC fighters are better than heavyweights that are outside the UFC?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[MindSpin]

Fedor Emelianenko compensates for diminishing speed with his ever-increasing experience, says Alexander Michkov, the Strikeforce and M-1 Global heavyweight's striking coach of nearly 10 years.

In an interview published on the official Russian-language M-1 Global website, Michkov made some interesting remarks on how the aging process has played on Fedor.

"With regard to age, it certainly has an effect," he said, translated. "To some extent, a decrease in high speed performance, but this is offset by experience."

Michkov admitted he is less wary of Fedor's "lightning" fast hand speed when holding pads for him than he would have been several years back, but believes Fedor's movement is still better than anyone in the heavyweight division.

"Now the speed, of course, is a little slower, but -- knock on wood -- continues to be enough for Fedor to win," Michkov said. "There's a reduction in speed, but his combination of attacks have grown. And, in my opinion, to date, he remains the fastest heavyweight."

Michkov has been Fedor's striking coach ever since Fedor began competing MMA. When asked if Fedor would have been successful had he chosen to become a professional boxer, Michkov, who carries a Russian title of "Masters of Sports" in boxing, said Fedor could, but MMA was a better avenue considering that it would have been a sin to disregard Fedor's background in Sambo and Judo.

[MindSpin]

You keep talking about how great he was in Pride.  Who gives a shit.  He was the best THEN.  How about now.  If he wants to be known as the best now, he should fight the best fighters.  It's very simple.

[HICKSON]

How many times has Rogers knocked Lesnar out sparring now? Was it 3 times? Brock Lesnar, the GREATEST fighter the UFC has ever seen, getting knocked out by a "can". Guess that says a lot about the UFC HW division when its best fighter gets KO'd sparring cans.

Never happened. The two have never met each other in the ring, sparring or otherwise.

[suckmymuscle]

Fedor Emelianenko compensates for diminishing speed with his ever-increasing experience, says Alexander Michkov, the Strikeforce and M-1 Global heavyweight's striking coach of nearly 10 years.

In an interview published on the official Russian-language M-1 Global website, Michkov made some interesting remarks on how the aging process has played on Fedor.

"With regard to age, it certainly has an effect," he said, translated. "To some extent, a decrease in high speed performance, but this is offset by experience."

Michkov admitted he is less wary of Fedor's "lightning" fast hand speed when holding pads for him than he would have been several years back, but believes Fedor's movement is still better than anyone in the heavyweight division.

"Now the speed, of course, is a little slower, but -- knock on wood -- continues to be enough for Fedor to win," Michkov said. "There's a reduction in speed, but his combination of attacks have grown. And, in my opinion, to date, he remains the fastest heavyweight."

Michkov has been Fedor's striking coach ever since Fedor began competing MMA. When asked if Fedor would have been successful had he chosen to become a professional boxer, Michkov, who carries a Russian title of "Masters of Sports" in boxing, said Fedor could, but MMA was a better avenue considering that it would have been a sin to disregard Fedor's background in Sambo and Judo.

  Thanks for proving my point. His punching speed has decreased but his precision and combinations have increased according to his coach. So how does this mean that he is past his prime? The effectiveness of his punches remain the same as that of several years ago due to increased precision and combinations, despite a decrease in speed. It is the effectivness that matters. If his punching speed had declined and he hadn't increased his punching accuracy, then yes, he would be past his prime as a striker, but his decline in one aspect was compensated by his improvement on another aspect, so it doesen't matter.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

You keep talking about how great he was in Pride.  Who gives a shit.  He was the best THEN.  How about now.  If he wants to be known as the best now, he should fight the best fighters.  It's very simple.

  He just knocked out one of the top 10 heavyweights in the World, who happens to be 5" taller and 40 lbs heavier than him. Rogers is an inch taller than Lesnar and weights the same, and yet Fedor crushed him. You still haven't answered what would have happened if Lesnar were standing in Rogers' place and took that punch to his jaw. Face the possibility that Fedor can knock Brock Lesnar out. It is a real possibility if the two fight. Rogers is the size of Lesnar and a better striker and yet Fedor KTFO of him.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[gmflex]

 Prove it. He was actually in a winning streak when he lost to Fedor. Dana White never expelled Arlovski from the UFC. Prove otherwise.
 

  How is a 270 lbs monster who won all of his previous 10 fights by KO a can? I find it amazing that you're not impressed by the fact that Fedor knocked out a man who is 5" taller and 40 lbs heavier than himself. In fact, he's the size of Brock Lesnar. Again, answer me my question: What would have happened if Lesnar were standing in Rogers' place and took that punch? Would he remain standing?
 

  Since weight is so important, so why are you not impressed by the fact that Fedor KTFO a man who for all practical purposes belongs to a higher weight class than himself? He is so good that he defeats guys that carry 50 lbs of muscle more than he does.
 

  Exactly. Thanks for repeating verbatim what I said. So how do you know if he is past his prime? He still hasn't lost, so you have no argument for stating that he is past his prime given that he still can defeat much larger men than himself.

  Sources please...?

  Lesnar won the belt fighting cans: a nobody called Frank Mir who's clame to fame is beating a post-prime Nogueira - and the can beat Lesnar with a foot lock, which is unheard of - and a geriatric Randy Couture way past his prime who is also much smaller than himself. What makes him better than Fedor, who defeated prime Nogueira, Crocop, Randleman, Goodrich, Coleman etcetera ad infinitum?

  PRIDE was bigger and better than the UFC and he won the heavyweight belt there three times. Why does he need to prove hmself in a shitty American organization where over 80% of fighters are Americans? Why do you assume that UFC fighters are better than heavyweights that are outside the UFC?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Dana White flew to chicago to try to re-sign the pitbull..
this actually was a quote from Dana's own words in a previous interview he did i think it was for sher dog.. ..
i actually read it...

[MindSpin]

Really?  I actually read that Fedor does gay4pay.  Not sure it makes it true, but I read it!

[gmflex]

 

i thought it was only Bodybuilding / IFBB 

[WeightPSHR]

i thought it was only Bodybuilding / IFBB  

It also applies to some washed up, ex-champs in fight-sports too.
Especially when they no longer are fighting big names/top competition like they used to.