Oh i understand that, boeing etc...just ridiculous but tu's point is that a private company is going to cost more simply b/c they are profit driven...thats retarded to me
now as far as waste goes that to me is a totally different story...you can do things both private and public to cut down on waste.
Waste does need to be cut down... That's the biggest issue in government.
However, I stand by my statement... The only time a private company costs less is when they compete in an open market with other private companies... These government contracts are not open market.
Let me explain in a response to your previous post.
what companies are you asserting that were public and went private...the ngc thing was a partnership was it not?
was it simply the fact that it was a private/public partnership that made it more expensive or where there problems that occured such as is the case in 99% of partnerships?
what was the price before hand and the pricing now?
The NGC was a partnership, however, let's look at what this partnership entailed.
Firstly, The partnership entailed building 2 new datacenters in Virginia.
1 near the capital and one in the southwest portion of the state as a hot disaster site.
These were things that we were told that government couldn't provide... Buildings. The state couldn't provide BUILDINGS.
Next, the datacenters were designed to be replicated data... Which is all good in theory, but when data is fucked up in one and gets replicated to the remoted facility, well, that's just replicated bad data.
The state had a sunguard contract previously and it worked well... Only service which were deamed priority 1 for the state were on the contract and it worked... Every year they did a test to prove their services were recoverable and everything was good to go.
So while there was some service enhancement, the cost did not equate to the benefit really... Not to mention they have never had a successful Disaster test since NGC took over.
Next, let's look at where the state really spends it's money... We're assuming employees right?
Well, you had an option to stay with the state and it's benefit program or move to northrop grumman... Sounds like if you moved you'd save a lot of money right?
Well, let's see... Most people who were with the agency were over 20 years with the state... Do you think those people will leave? Nope.
The ones who did leave where already ready retirement age or had 30 years anyway... So, they did go to NGC but still collected their pensions which were guaranteed... People like myself of course who had been there about 5 years, we went, because NGC gave us a 10 percent pay hike.
Not a bad deal as an individual... as a tax payer, not so well.
People who were not of retirement age simply went to other state agencies that still have internal technology staff.
So, NGC has written into the contract that if they meet stipulations X and Y, then they get paid... Sounds normal... Except there are exceptions written in... If the state asks for someone to do something that is out of scope perse, then they must pay X percent over cost for that service.
The state is also required to pay for any additional service requested that were not originally planned, so if you say you need a DS3 pipe, but it turns out you need an OC192, you don't just pay for the OC192, you pay more for someone to manage that OC192 now.
It's all designed to let NGC make money on every single thing they can find.
Companies are designed to make money and turn a profit... if you have a non profit entity and they provide a service, especially something like IT services, which are already commodious, then how do you think a company can compete?
The truth is that they can not and to get business they paint a false picture of what is already being done.
If you do any research into Northrop Grumman and the State of Virginia, all you will see is a huge cost to the tax payers... HUGE.
Way more than the previous IT agency cost them.