I've never used a bb drug and I've still been able to remain bigger and stronger than the vast majority of juicers out there (with the exception of a few genetic freaks that would outclass me even if I did use). It's a longer, harder road while training clean, but ultimately more fulfilling as your gains in mass aren't contingent on chemicals. If I have to layoff of training for an extended period my muscles don't atrophy to nothing because they aren't chemically dependent. 95% of the industry needs the gear to remain competitive so more power to em. FYI ~ I'm not against those that use; in fact, I could care less...different strokes for different folks. Fortunately for me I haven't needed them to gain size and strength....I'm sure I could gain more with them but what's the point if I'm not trying to make a competitive living? I'm already married, been to school, have the career, the material shit, etc.....what would drug use provide me? I could maybe get "sooper huuuuuge" so I could put on a skin-tight, sleeveless, glitter-shirt and "hit the clubs"? Already done the club crap as a kid, got the women without the drugs, still bigger and stronger than most sauceheads so there's never been a "need"? Again, if you choose to use then fine....it just isn't a priority or necessity for me.