Why do guys who DONT compete take AAS?

[Devon97]

Some people just don't have the genetics, bud

I love this excuse... and here is my reply:

1)If you dont have the genetics with out AAS, then you WONT EVEN WITH AAS!
If you have a poor physique as a natty then you will have a poor physique( just not as poor) while on AAS.

2)ANYONE and I mean ANYONE (disabled/diseases aside) can build a solid physique with a moderate level of muscle with a low Bodyfat if they incorporate solid nutrition, proper pre/post workout nutrition, sleep/recovery, supplementation and smart well planned weight training routine by a educated strength coach/trainer.

[The Squadfather]

I love this excuse... and here is my reply:

1)If you dont have the genetics with out AAS, then you WONT EVEN WITH AAS!
If you have a poor physique as a natty then you will have a poor physique( just not as poor) while on AAS.

2)ANYONE and I mean ANYONE (disabled/diseases aside) can build a solid physique with a moderate level of muscle with a low Bodyfat if they incorporate solid nutrition, proper pre/post workout nutrition, sleep/recovery, supplementation and smart well planned weight training routine by a educated strength coach/trainer.

exactly although i think the trainer/coach and supplements are overrated.

[Devon97]

The bottom line is that no natural trainer will EVER look anywhere as good as he would with AAS (provided he knows what he's doing) that's the bottom line, the body cannot and will not hold on to that much lean muscle naturally. Ever heard of homeostasis? this is what the human body is trying to maintain - in other words; equilibrium, the human body does not want to be a shredded 260lbs. and it will do everything possible to thwart those efforts.

LOL whatever  Cap. EQ, I am sure your nutrition, supplementation, training is on such an 'Elite" level that you cant make anymore progress as a natty.
Wrong again, maybe in the united states but not in the rest of the world. I've been pulled over (for speeding) by cops with bottles and bottles of gear in the cup holder of my car, all the cop did was ask if that was steroids , I said yes and that was the end of it. He never said another word about it.

Bro WTF are you talking about.... I have no CLUE nor does this topic have anything to do with what goes on in other countries.

[Devon97]

exactly although i think the trainer/coach and supplements are overrated.

Good point but I believe that a educated professional in the strength training industry who has walked the walk and trained dozens of athletes as well as the general public can often spot "deficiencies" in even the most seasoned bbers /lifters programs.

As much experience as I have training myself and other athletes I BELIEVE Louie Simmons from Westside could still add value and improve my workouts if he were to critique them.

[The Squadfather]

Good point but I believe that a educated professional in the strength training industry who has walked the walk and trained dozens of athletes as well as the general public can often spot "deficiencies" in even the most seasoned bbers /lifters programs.

As much experience as I have training myself and other athletes I BELIEVE Louie Simmons from Westside could still add value and improve my workouts if he were to critique them.

yeah, that's a good point.

[swoody]

I love this excuse... and here is my reply:

1)If you dont have the genetics with out AAS, then you WONT EVEN WITH AAS!
If you have a poor physique as a natty then you will have a poor physique( just not as poor) while on AAS.

2)ANYONE and I mean ANYONE (disabled/diseases aside) can build a solid physique with a moderate level of muscle with a low Bodyfat if they incorporate solid nutrition, proper pre/post workout nutrition, sleep/recovery, supplementation and smart well planned weight training routine by a educated strength coach/trainer.

I agree with you to some extent... people can build solid physiques with the proper training/diet/etc protocol, TO A POINT, because of genetics, and that point might not be good enough for some people.  I just want to know why its so wrong to use a responsible, moderate AAS cycle (whether the legal designers or from a doctors scrip) if someone knows what they are doing to surpass genetic limitations?  What do you have against it?  Does it effect you at all?  If not, why should you be concerned if another responsible, educated adult decides what they wants to do with their body?  Because the legality issue isnt an issue... and health-wise, it isn't an issue either in responsible usage... you can look at all the ironage bodybuilders as proof of this... so whats the deal with you?

[DVSGOD]

But why do u HAVE to have AAS to get you MORE ripped and stronger? Why cant u just be ripped and stronger with OUT AAS?
> You are either too lazy to do it naturally
> OR YOu dont have enough knowledge about nutrition/strength training to do it

Which is it?

And you DONT compete or do PAID shoots, so why do u need to be MORE ripped and stronger?

Oh you can get to a certain leval naturaly,I totaly agree with you but drugs will give you that little extra edge to take you that one step further,once you reach a certain leval the body just wont go any further naturaly its called homeostasis which I think has already been mentioned by CAPEQ.

You are either too lazy to do it naturally
> OR YOu dont have enough knowledge about nutrition/strength training to do it

In my case neither of those,I beleive everyone should build a foundation of at least 5 years training naturaly minimum finding what works best for you with regards to training/diet/rest.Hell 8 - 10 years would be better as long as you are making gains its a foundation that can never be replaced imo.
If you are going to use AAS it should be when you are dieting all the excess fat off,build it up with diet/training/rest then use aas to help get you shredded.
Whats the point of building all this muscle that when you go to show it all of in the summer months you loose a large majority of it through dieting,aas can help there.
Beats whacking your head against a brick wall ,as long as they are used properly and in libral amounts then hey why does it worry you?

And you DONT compete or do PAID shoots, so why do u need to be MORE ripped and stronger?

Why not? or because I can?Are you saying we should all just sit in front of telly and eat like TA does?
The vast majority of people who bodybuild never get up on stage and compete some use aas to help push that lil bit further to reach there own PERSONALgoals to look a certain way and some people dont.Each to there own. 

[gh15]

I love this excuse... and here is my reply:

1)If you dont have the genetics with out AAS, then you WONT EVEN WITH AAS!
If you have a poor physique as a natty then you will have a poor physique( just not as poor) while on AAS.

2)ANYONE and I mean ANYONE (disabled/diseases aside) can build a solid physique with a moderate level of muscle with a low Bodyfat if they incorporate solid nutrition, proper pre/post workout nutrition, sleep/recovery, supplementation and smart well planned weight training routine by a educated strength coach/trainer.

i dont know how to copy the squad blub into this quote too but consider him included too in this,,

I CONSIDER 50% OF THIS BOARD TO BE SANE WHEN IT COMES TO REAL BODYBUILDING,,BUT YOU 2 ARE OUT OF THE WACK,,YOU REALLY GOT NO CLUE MY FRIENDS,,WIZE UP AND STOP POSTING BLUB

YOU SEE CHRIS RIGHT NOW!!!! HE LOOKS WORSE THAN 150LB MEXICAN KID NEXT TO HIM!!!,,YOU SEE THOMAS NOW HE LOOK A LOT WORSE THAN CHRIS,,YOU SEE KEN,,YOU SEE EVEN KEVIN!!!!  ALL LOOK HORRID!,,NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF SICKNESS BUT MAINLY BECAUSE BODYBUILDING = HORMONES AND HORMONES = BODYBUILDING,, AND THEY ARE NOT CAPABLE OF USING THEM RIGHT NOW LIKE THEY USED TO,,YOU ALWAYS GOT TO BE ON THEM AND PUSH THE ENVELOPE INORDER TO TAKE WHAT YOU  HAVE AND MAKE IT BETTER! SO DONT TELL ME CRAP ABOUT NO GENETICS WHEN YOU NEVER BEEN AT 200+ WITH REAL 5-6%

IF YOU SAW CHRIS IN THE GYM NOW YOU WOULD NOT EVEN LOOK AT HIM A FIRST TIME! YET IN COUPLE MONTHS HE WILL LOOK PHENOMINAL,,,THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GENETICS AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH MUSCLE MEMORY AND HORMONES!!! H O R M O N E S ! AND PLENTY OF THEM,,,

PLENTY OF GUYS DONT HAVE GENETICS AND THE MOMENT THEY GO ON HORMONES THEY LOOK THE BEST IN THEIR LITTLE USA TOWN OR COUNTY,,
IT IS NOT THE GENETICS YOU HAD BEFORE YOU GOT ON HORMONES,, BUT THE RESPONSE YOU HAD TO THEM LATER ON WHILE ON THEM!!!

LASTLY,,NO ONE! NO ONE!!! CAN BUILD A PHYSIQE WORTH LOOKING AT SECOND TIME,, BODYBUILDING WIZE,, AS OF 2007 WITH OUT THE USE OF HORMONES,,C O N S T A N T USE OF HORMONES.

YOU WILL ALWAYS BE STUCK SAME PLACE UNTILL YOU ARE BRAVE ENOUGH TO PUT THE NEEDLE WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS OR PUT THE TABLET SAME PLACE,,,PREFERABLY A COMBO OF THE 2

[Devon97]

I agree with you to some extent... people can build solid physiques with the proper training/diet/etc protocol, TO A POINT, because of genetics, and that point might not be good enough for some people. C'mon on Bro, like you or 99% of people will EVER reach that point, and if u ever do you will look DAMN IMPRESSIVE and will have no reason to use AAS since u dont compete or do paid shoots. I just want to know why its so wrong to use a responsible, moderate AAS cycle (whether the legal designers or from a doctors scrip) if someone knows what they are doing to surpass genetic limitations?WHats wrong with it? ASk the 3 branches of Govt. since they made possession a felony  What do you have against it? Its a Felony, and health risks and negative sides

[Devon97]

i dont know how to copy the squad blub into this quote too but consider him included too in this,,

I CONSIDER 50% OF THIS BOARD TO BE SANE WHEN IT COMES TO REAL BODYBUILDING,,BUT YOU 2 ARE OUT OF THE WACK,,YOU REALLY GOT NO CLUE MY FRIENDS,,WIZE UP AND STOP POSTING BLUB

YOU SEE CHRIS RIGHT NOW!!!! HE LOOKS WORSE THAN 150LB MEXICAN KID NEXT TO HIM!!!,,YOU SEE THOMAS NOW HE LOOK A LOT WORSE THAN CHRIS,,YOU SEE KEN,,YOU SEE EVEN KEVIN!!!!  ALL LOOK HORRID!,,NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF SICKNESS BUT MAINLY BECAUSE BODYBUILDING = HORMONES AND HORMONES = BODYBUILDING,, AND THEY ARE NOT CAPABLE OF USING THEM RIGHT NOW LIKE THEY USED TO,,YOU ALWAYS GOT TO BE ON THEM AND PUSH THE ENVELOPE INORDER TO TAKE WHAT YOU  HAVE AND MAKE IT BETTER! SO DONT TELL ME CRAP ABOUT NO GENETICS WHEN YOU NEVER BEEN AT 200+ WITH REAL 5-6%

IF YOU SAW CHRIS IN THE GYM NOW YOU WOULD NOT EVEN LOOK AT HIM A FIRST TIME! YET IN COUPLE MONTHS HE WILL LOOK PHENOMINAL,,,THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GENETICS AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH MUSCLE MEMORY AND HORMONES!!! H O R M O N E S ! AND PLENTY OF THEM,,,

PLENTY OF GUYS DONT HAVE GENETICS AND THE MOMENT THEY GO ON HORMONES THEY LOOK THE BEST IN THEIR LITTLE USA TOWN OR COUNTY,,
IT IS NOT THE GENETICS YOU HAD BEFORE YOU GOT ON HORMONES,, BUT THE RESPONSE YOU HAD TO THEM LATER ON WHILE ON THEM!!!

LASTLY,,NO ONE! NO ONE!!! CAN BUILD A PHYSIQE WORTH LOOKING AT SECOND TIME,, BODYBUILDING WIZE,, AS OF 2007 WITH OUT THE USE OF HORMONES,,C O N S T A N T USE OF HORMONES.

YOU WILL ALWAYS BE STUCK SAME PLACE UNTILL YOU ARE BRAVE ENOUGH TO PUT THE NEEDLE WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS OR PUT THE TABLET SAME PLACE,,,PREFERABLY A COMBO OF THE 2

 

[swoody]

All I have to say is as far as health risks and negative sides, DO YOUR HOMEWORK.  You have completely ignored my examples of people who have used them with success and didn't have all those problems you propably read about from blown-up media coverage... and the legality issue CAN be worked around... you have ignored my examples on that as well... zane (which he was actually reported to use ALOT), ferrigno, schwarzenegger (his heart surgery was due to a genetic defect-there's that word again, GENETIC... his father died young because of it) nubret, columbo, dickerson, samir, danny padilla, etc., etc., etc. the list is WAY too long... and apparently you don't know what homeostasis means either as far as genetics go... so give it a rest.   People believe what they want to believe... and when they are proven wrong and STILL go on with their uneducated rambling, its called IGNORANCE.

[Devon97]

All I have to say is as far as health risks and negative sides, DO YOUR HOMEWORK.  You have completely ignored my examples of people who have used them with success and didn't have all those problems you propably read about from blown-up media coverage... and the legality issue CAN be worked around... you have ignored my examples on that as well... and apparently you don't know what homeostasis means either as far as genetics go... so give it a rest.   People believe what they want to believe... and when they are proven wrong and STILL go on with their uneducated rambling, its called IGNORANCE.

KInda like what your doing??

Bro just curious, how old are you and how many years have you been on gear?

[swoody]

I am 25, have a bachelors in sports medicine and am a personal trainer, been lifting heavy since I was 16 and researching the hell out of everything since I was 18, and have done 2 cycles (legally), keeping all of my gains, and my liver/kidney/blood pressure/testosterone/etc levels are much healthier than 99.99 percent of this country.  You?  And have you ever TRIED gear? 

[Devon97]

I am 25, have a bachelors in sports medicine and am a personal trainer, been lifting heavy since I was 16 and researching the hell out of everything since I was 18, and have done 2 cycles, keeping all of my gains, and my liver/kidney/blood pressure/testosterone/etc are much healthier than most.  You?

I am 5 years older with triple your experience.

I can assure you, you are Many years away from your genetic potential. At the age of 25 and a NON competitive bber or NOT getting paid to do shoots you have NO Biz at all doing AAS.
What kind of example are you setting for your clients by taking AAS?
Shame on you.

[Devon97]

BTW how did you do 2 cycles "Legal"?  DO you live in  Germany?

[ManBearPig...]

But why do u HAVE to have AAS to get you MORE ripped and stronger? Why cant u just be ripped and stronger with OUT AAS?
> You are either too lazy to do it naturally
> OR YOu dont have enough knowledge about nutrition/strength training to do it

Which is it?

And you DONT compete or do PAID shoots, so why do u need to be MORE ripped and stronger?

juicers can't get where they want to be naturally.  not physically possible.  the human body's not designed to weigh 250 at 5'6".

[Benny B]

I am 25, have a bachelors in sports medicine and am a personal trainer, been lifting heavy since I was 16 and researching the hell out of everything since I was 18, and have done 2 cycles (legally), keeping all of my gains, and my liver/kidney/blood pressure/testosterone/etc levels are much healthier than 99.99 percent of this country.  You?  And have you ever TRIED gear? 

At 25, how do you get away with juicing legally? And please don't lie to all of us.

[Devon97]

juicers can't get where they want to be naturally.  not physically possible.  the human body's not designed to weigh 250 at 5'6".

No Kidding, who in their right mind would want to be 250 @ 5'6"??

[Devon97]

At 25, how do you get away with juicing legally? And please don't lie to all of us.

NO kidding, thats what I am trying to figure out??

[ManBearPig...]

No Kidding, who in their right mind would want to be 250 @ 5'6"??

that's a different topic altogether.  or maybe not.

[swoody]

I am 5 years older with triple your experience.

I can assure you, you are Many years away from your genetic potential. At the age of 25 and a NON competitive bber or NOT getting paid to do shoots you have NO Biz at all doing AAS.
What kind of example are you setting for your clients by taking AAS?
Shame on you.

Its called marketing... I agree, I should have waited a little longer, but that is not the subject at hand...and its funny that even though you claim to have 5X the experience, and are still ignorant about proper steroid use... and shame on me!?  Goddamn... you really DO sound like an angry mother now.  What are your credentials?  And I "get away with it" legally using the new designer products.. I'm not gonna spell them out for ya, there is a search function... use it.

[Devon97]

Its called marketing... I agree, I should have waited a little longer, but that is not the subject at hand...and its funny that even though you claim to have 5X the experience, and are still ignorant about proper steroid use... and shame on me!?  Goddamn... you really DO sound like an angry mother now.  What are your credentials?

HOW DID YOU TAKE AAS LEGALLY?

DO your clients know you take Steroids?

[swoody]

HOW DID YOU TAKE AAS LEGALLY?

DO your clients know you take Steroids?

No they do not... because the vast majority of the public is just like you... uneducated and bashing things they do not understand.  All they know is I look great, and it helps me get more clients just based on appearence alone. And again, I "got away with it" legally using the new designer compounds, which are steroids.  I'm not going to spell them out for you, so again, ust the search function.

[swoody]

This is funny. Not that I'm taking sides, but this newb Devon97 obviously has an adjenda.


 


lol, what a DEA/Afterschool "don't do drugs" Special tool...

Like I said, there are way to many angry mother-type "Mcgruff the Crime Dog" anti-steroid threads here.

[Devon97]

No they do not... because the vast majority of the public is just like you... uneducated and bashing things they do not understand. 

Perhaps you should EDUCATE them? After all they do look up to you as an authority figure in the fitness industry... so they will listen.