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Re: global warming
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2007, 07:59:32 AM »
Yet again you're avoiding the issue. I could start posting links and information on the causes of Global Warming as well, but that's not the point.

You claimed the more intelligent scientists know that global warming isn't man made. Such a claim would be easy to prove, at least as far as their education is concerned. Where did they get their degrees? How many degrees do they hold? What were their GPA's? What special accolades did they receive?

Curiously you won't actually prove your point though.

Yeah, but I'm the idiot. Bwahhahhhaaaaaa

Again with the spin. LOL

I didn't ask you to prove someone is smart. I asked you to prove scientists were smarter than other scientists. You know, the thing you actually claimed?   ::)

man you are special...you think college degrees, and GPA translate to smarts? I am sure you know plenty of book smart people that are truly dumb in life. Like you for instance.
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Re: global warming
« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2007, 08:03:33 AM »
Not that it proves his smarts but I don't want to dissapoint you cardio. Plus I like seeing you change the point with every fact i post

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_Solanki

[edit] Academic Career
1987 Doctorate from the Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule Zürich[7]
1987-1989 Post doc in St. Andrews, Scotland.
1992 Habilitation
1998 Professor of Astronomy at the University of Oulu in Finland
1999 Minnaert guest professor at the University of Utrecht
1999 Director of the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research

[edit] Awards and Honours
2001 Honorary professor at the Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule
2003 Honorary professor at the Technische Universität Braunschweig
2006 Associateship of the Royal Astronomical Society[8]


So? is he a smart scientist?
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Re: global warming
« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2007, 08:07:34 AM »
man you are special...you think college degrees, and GPA translate to smarts? I am sure you know plenty of book smart people that are truly dumb in life. Like you for instance.

No you're right, scientists don't learn their skills in the educational environment they learn them elsewhere, say in the streets. I like you don't care about a scientists educational background. I want our scientists to be more street smart than educationally smart. You're right, I'm converted.

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Re: global warming
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2007, 08:10:51 AM »
No you're right, scientists don't learn their skills in the educational environment they learn them elsewhere, say in the streets. I like you don't care about a scientists educational background. I want our scientists to be more street smart than educationally smart. You're right, I'm converted.

I personally would like my scientists to be able to employ some common sense in making theorys. Kind of like this global warming thing, my guy used common sense, your guys don't
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Re: global warming
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2007, 08:12:11 AM »
Not that it proves his smarts but I don't want to dissapoint you cardio. Plus I like seeing you change the point with every fact i post

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_Solanki

[edit] Academic Career
1987 Doctorate from the Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule Zürich[7]
1987-1989 Post doc in St. Andrews, Scotland.
1992 Habilitation
1998 Professor of Astronomy at the University of Oulu in Finland
1999 Minnaert guest professor at the University of Utrecht
1999 Director of the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research

[edit] Awards and Honours
2001 Honorary professor at the Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule
2003 Honorary professor at the Technische Universität Braunschweig
2006 Associateship of the Royal Astronomical Society[8]


So? is he a smart scientist?

So now you care about a scientists educational background? LOL

Yes, he is smart but you claimed scientists that didn't think global warming was man made were SMARTER. Get it, more intelligent? That means you have to compare the scientists on both sides, not just one particular scientist.

Watching you try and debate this is growing painful to witness.

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Re: global warming
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2007, 08:15:38 AM »
So now you care about a scientists educational background? LOL

Yes, he is smart but you claimed scientists that didn't think global warming was man made were SMARTER. Get it, more intelligent? That means you have to compare the scientists on both sides, not just one particular scientist.

Watching you try and debate this is growing painful to witness.

actually I don't care about his smarts as evidenced in the first sentence of that post. I was just giving you a way to change the subject again. So what exactly have you brought to this debate?
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Re: global warming
« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2007, 08:18:13 AM »
Not that it proves his smarts but I don't want to dissapoint you cardio. Plus I like seeing you change the point with every fact i post

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_Solanki

[edit] Academic Career
1987 Doctorate from the Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule Zürich[7]
1987-1989 Post doc in St. Andrews, Scotland.
1992 Habilitation
1998 Professor of Astronomy at the University of Oulu in Finland
1999 Minnaert guest professor at the University of Utrecht
1999 Director of the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research

[edit] Awards and Honours
2001 Honorary professor at the Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule
2003 Honorary professor at the Technische Universität Braunschweig
2006 Associateship of the Royal Astronomical Society[8]


So? is he a smart scientist?

Here, here is your expert's education

In 1965, he enrolled at Harvard College, the only school to which he applied. His roommate (in Dunster House) was actor Tommy Lee Jones. After finding himself bored with his classes in his declared English major, Gore switched majors and worked hard in his government courses and graduated cum laude from Harvard in June 1969 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in government. After returning from the military he took religious studies courses at Vanderbilt University and then entered its Law School. He left Vanderbilt after completing the required one-year Rockefeller Foundation scholarship for students returning to secular work to run for Congress in 1976.[7]


hmmmmm bachelor's degree? doesn't seem that great. I don't know whay I am debating your side for you. The lib side always comes up so short! LOL
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Re: global warming
« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2007, 08:24:11 AM »
actually I don't care about his smarts as evidenced in the first sentence of that post. I was just giving you a way to change the subject again. So what exactly have you brought to this debate?

These are the facts. You claimed scientists that think global warming is man made are less intelligent than scientists that think global warming is not man made.

I asked you to prove such an incredible claim. You refused and hemmed and hawed until we come to the point where now you're asking what I've brought to the debate.  ::)

Congratulations.

BTW, snow isn't actually frozen water, it's really white cotton candy. And no, I won't provide any actual proof of this claim.

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« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2007, 08:26:13 AM »
Here, here is your expert's education

In 1965, he enrolled at Harvard College, the only school to which he applied. His roommate (in Dunster House) was actor Tommy Lee Jones. After finding himself bored with his classes in his declared English major, Gore switched majors and worked hard in his government courses and graduated cum laude from Harvard in June 1969 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in government. After returning from the military he took religious studies courses at Vanderbilt University and then entered its Law School. He left Vanderbilt after completing the required one-year Rockefeller Foundation scholarship for students returning to secular work to run for Congress in 1976.[7]


hmmmmm bachelor's degree? doesn't seem that great. I don't know whay I am debating your side for you. The lib side always comes up so short! LOL

Bwahhahhhaaaaaa

Now your using Al Gore as a scientist?

Please stop, you're only embarrassing yourself.

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Re: global warming
« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2007, 08:27:03 AM »
These are the facts. You claimed scientists that think global warming is man made are less intelligent than scientists that think global warming is not man made.

I asked you to prove such an incredible claim. You refused and hemmed and hawed until we come to the point where now you're asking what I've brought to the debate.  ::)

Congratulations.

BTW, snow isn't actually frozen water, it's really white cotton candy. And no, I won't provide any actual proof of this claim.

exactly my point....you bring nothing. I showed evidence of the sun warming the earth, I compared two experts, you...another graduate of OzmO debating school. Take one word in a sentence, debate just that one word but not support your side of the story. Oh wait you don't have a side worth supporting!!! LMAO
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Re: global warming
« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2007, 08:28:40 AM »
Bwahhahhhaaaaaa

Now your using Al Gore as a scientist?

Please stop, you're only embarrassing yourself.

Me?!! lol Gore is your god not mine!!!! Don't see you pulling out intelligent scientists on your side!! You have avoided this all morning. Puss
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Re: global warming
« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2007, 08:31:26 AM »
Science has shown more hot spots on the sun

then i would ask the question(s):

Are we experiencing Global Warming now?

Are we experiencing the unwanted effects scientists are warning about now?

Is the SUn's temperature rise connected to possible problems in the future regarding Global Warming?

Can the Suns rise in temperature speed up global warming?


Because if i understand it right, we are being warned by scientists that if we don't do things to prevent global warming now, in the near future we will experience problems on a global scale.

So the Sun rise in temperature now, doesn't seem to say much other than 1000's of scientists who have concluded global warming is a threat don't seem to think the Sun rise in temperature is a major factor in their warnings.



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Re: global warming
« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2007, 08:34:21 AM »
Me?!! lol Gore is your god not mine!!!! Don't see you pulling out intelligent scientists on your side!! You have avoided this all morning. Puss

Perhaps you've missed all those posts of mine calling Gore a lying, hypocritical blowhard and saying he's the wrong guy to be championing global warming.

But why let facts ruin your argument.

I don't have to pull out the educational background of scientists on the global warming side. You made the assertion. You prove the assertion. Or did that little fact slip your mind?

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Re: global warming
« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2007, 08:34:52 AM »
then i would ask the question(s):

Are we experiencing Global Warming now?

Are we experiencing the unwanted effects scientists are warning about now?

Is the SUn's temperature rise connected to possible problems in the future regarding Global Warming?

Can the Suns rise in temperature speed up global warming?


Because if i understand it right, we are being warned by scientists that if we don't do things to prevent global warming now, in the near future we will experience problems on a global scale.

So the Sun rise in temperature now, doesn't seem to say much other than 1000's of scientists who have concluded global warming is a threat don't seem to think the Sun rise in temperature is a major factor in their warnings.




So who is wrong? your guys or my guys?
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Re: global warming
« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2007, 08:36:28 AM »
Here comes the classic Dem line! "Please provide proof......" How do you think theis thread got started? I guess the first two posters just made up the fact that most of the planets are warming along with earth.

This isn't about "Dem".

This is about that a majority of scientists have found evidence that there is global warming and it is caused by humans.

Answer this: Why on earth would any of the current politicians try to fcuk with the research in order to make things look worse?

"Dems" have a lot of responsibilities towards workers in the car industry and other heavy industries, guys that may lose their job if some of the necessary changes are done.

So why would this be some kind of "Dem" agenda?

Cut the fcuking crap for once.

Realize that environmental policies isn't about left or right, "Dem" or "Rep".

Even though more than 2000 scientists backed up a report for UN that stated that there is global warming, there are still self-proclaimed experts who sits by their computers and thinks up theories that goes something like this:

"these scientists are all wrong, and I, who have no expertise and haven't even studied this, I happen to know better"

Incredible.

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Re: global warming
« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2007, 08:37:30 AM »
Perhaps you've missed all those posts of mine calling Gore a lying, hypocritical blowhard and saying he's the wrong guy to be championing global warming.

But why let facts ruin your argument.

I don't have to pull out the educational background of scientists on the global warming side. You made the assertion. You prove the assertion. Or did that little fact slip your mind?

funny, of all the articles I pulled up supporting global warming and all the scientists they mentioned, I couldn't find any background on any of them. Maybe they aren't good enough scientists to warrant listening to
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Re: global warming
« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2007, 08:39:05 AM »
This isn't about "Dem".

This is about that a majority of scientists have found evidence that there is global warming and it is caused by humans.

Answer this: Why on earth would any of the current politicians try to fcuk with the research in order to make things look worse?

"Dems" have a lot of responsibilities towards workers in the car industry and other heavy industries, guys that may lose their job if some of the necessary changes are done.

So why would this be some kind of "Dem" agenda?

Cut the fcuking crap for once.

Realize that environmental policies isn't about left or right, "Dem" or "Rep".

Even though more than 2000 scientists backed up a report for UN that stated that there is global warming, there are still self-proclaimed experts who sits by their computers and thinks up theories that goes something like this:

"these scientists are all wrong, and I, who have no expertise and haven't even studied this, I happen to know better"

Incredible.

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Hey fool......I didn't say global warming was a Dem thing, I said cardio was using a classic dem approach. Way to read the first two words of the post!! LOL wow so many fools in this joint
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Re: global warming
« Reply #42 on: March 21, 2007, 08:41:35 AM »
So who is wrong? your guys or my guys?

It seems that there are far more guys who think GW is man made than the few who think it isn't.

I realize that doesn;t mean it's true either way, but it's just an observation.

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« Reply #43 on: March 21, 2007, 08:43:32 AM »
funny, of all the articles I pulled up supporting global warming and all the scientists they mentioned, I couldn't find any background on any of them. Maybe they aren't good enough scientists to warrant listening to

Well, none of this matters to me anymore because you've converted me. I don't want a scientists to have a strong educational background. In fact you're right, what does a scientist learn in an educational environment that he wouldn't learn with common sense?

MIT, Cal. Tech, Stanford, Harvard. Screw em all, they mean nothing. Budding scientists would do better to employ common sense than to actually learn science in a world class educational environment.

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« Reply #44 on: March 21, 2007, 09:57:23 AM »
Well, none of this matters to me anymore because you've converted me. I don't want a scientists to have a strong educational background. In fact you're right, what does a scientist learn in an educational environment that he wouldn't learn with common sense?

MIT, Cal. Tech, Stanford, Harvard. Screw em all, they mean nothing. Budding scientists would do better to employ common sense than to actually learn science in a world class educational environment.


LMAO!! I'll take that as the white flag!!!! I said I like a combination of common sense backed up with education!!! Way to fight your point......LOL oh god it hurts!!! lmao
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« Reply #45 on: March 21, 2007, 10:05:50 AM »

LMAO!! I'll take that as the white flag!!!! I said I like a combination of common sense backed up with education!!! Way to fight your point......LOL oh god it hurts!!! lmao

This is what you said when responding to my post about comparing intelligence levels of scientists.
man you are special...you think college degrees, and GPA translate to smarts? I am sure you know plenty of book smart people that are truly dumb in life. Like you for instance.

Apparantly college degrees aren't particularly important to you in regards to scientists. Your argument was so persuasive that I no longer believe college degrees are important either. Congratulations, I'm converted.

Since education isn't important to you perhaps a quick dictionary search for the word sarcasm would help you better understand my post.

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« Reply #46 on: March 21, 2007, 10:10:25 AM »
This is what you said when responding to my post about comparing intelligence levels of scientists.
Apparantly college degrees aren't particularly important to you in regards to scientists. Your argument was so persuasive that I no longer believe college degrees are important either. Congratulations, I'm converted.

Since education isn't important to you perhaps a quick dictionary search for the word sarcasm would help you better understand my post.

and here was my response

"I personally would like my scientists to be able to employ some common sense in making theorys. Kind of like this global warming thing, my guy used common sense, your guys don't"

so show me where I said education wasn't important??????? thought so And like I said your scientists must not be that educated if I can't turn up any info on the 10 I tried......I'll just wait now for you to try and bring anything to this argument.
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« Reply #47 on: March 21, 2007, 10:18:01 AM »
and here was my response

"I personally would like my scientists to be able to employ some common sense in making theorys. Kind of like this global warming thing, my guy used common sense, your guys don't"

so show me where I said education wasn't important??????? thought so And like I said your scientists must not be that educated if I can't turn up any info on the 10 I tried......I'll just wait now for you to try and bring anything to this argument.

So you're saying that this post doesn't say you don't think education is important when referring to the intelligence of scientists?
man you are special...you think college degrees, and GPA translate to smarts? I am sure you know plenty of book smart people that are truly dumb in life. Like you for instance.

My quip about snow being cotton candy brought as much credibility to this debate as your quip that said scientists that don't believe global warming is man made are smarter than scientists that do believe global warming is man made.

But please keep spinning your posts away from the fact that you can't prove your claim. This is highly amusing.

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« Reply #48 on: March 21, 2007, 10:24:22 AM »
scientists are mixed on this. another article on global warming and gore

Skeptics Call Gore's Movie Science Fiction
By Monisha Bansal
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
March 19, 2007

(CNSNews.com) - In response to former Vice President Al Gore's Academy Award-winning documentary, "An Inconvenient Truth," climate change skeptics called the film a "sci-fi disaster" movie.

"Al Gore put global warming on the map," said Marlo Lewis, senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, at a Capitol Hill press conference on Friday. He called "An Inconvenient Truth" the "most politically influencing documentary."

But Lewis added: "Nearly every significant statement that Vice President Gore makes regarding climate science and climate policy is either one-sided, misleading, exaggerated, speculative or wrong."

Lewis outlines these arguments in a 140-page congressional working paper released Friday, ahead of Gore's trip to Washington, D.C., to provide congressional testimony on global warming.

He said the movie "purport to be a non-partisan, non-ideological exposition of climate science. In reality, the film is a computer-enhanced lawyer's brief for global warming alarmism and energy rationing."

"The only facts and studies Gore considers are those convenient to his scare-them-green agenda," he said.

Lewis said Gore "vastly overstates carbon dioxide's importance" in climate change, noting that the 1930s were warmer than current temperatures.

"Our parents or grandparents somehow survived that crisis, and I think we will, too," he said sarcastically.

Lewis also took issue with Gore's characterization of climate change as a "moral issue."

"Gore calls global warming a 'moral issue,' but for him, it is a moralizing issue -- a license to castigate political adversaries and blame America first for everything from hurricanes to floods to wildfires to tick-borne disease," Lewis said.

"Somehow, he sees nothing immoral in the attempt to make fossil energy scarcer and more costly in a world where 1.6 billion people have never flipped a light switch and billions more are too poor to own an automobile," he said.

"There is no way you can stabilize CO2 in the atmosphere unless you extend Kyoto-like initiatives to developing countries like China and India," Lewis added.

Lewis said that many developing nations are "energy starved" and would be harmed by policies that would force them to curb the use of fossil fuels, an energy source he said is the "most affordable for the foreseeable future."

The Union of Concerned Scientists, League of Conservation Voters, Natural Resources Defense Council, World Resources Institute and Environmental Defense declined to comment for this article, but according to the movie's website, "The evidence [for global warming] is overwhelming and undeniable."

"The vast majority of scientists agree that global warming is real, it's already happening and that it is the result of our activities and not a natural occurrence," it states. "We're already seeing changes.

"Glaciers are melting, plants and animals are being forced from their habitat, and the number of severe storms and droughts is increasing," it says. "If the warming continues, we can expect catastrophic consequences."

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Re: global warming
« Reply #49 on: March 21, 2007, 10:29:45 AM »
So you're saying that this post doesn't say you don't think education is important when referring to the intelligence of scientists?
My quip about snow being cotton candy brought as much credibility to this debate as your quip that said scientists that don't believe global warming is man made are smarter than scientists that do believe global warming is man made.

But please keep spinning your posts away from the fact that you can't prove your claim. This is highly amusing.

Me spinning? lol...I showed the intelligence of my scientist. But your scientists are so uncredible their education record can't be found on the web.......guess that proves the ones that blame the sun are smarter then the ones that say man made. Unless you can prove me wrong.

And I still can't see where I said education is unimportant.........that is all I have for now. If you come back with facts that support any part of your argument on this matter whether it be the intelligence of scientists, or that global warming is man made then I will keep debating. I have supported my arguments with facts so maybe you will try the same. Until then I will assume you can't discredit my info.....
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