Author Topic: Battle for the Olympia compensation (Read 6925 times)

gettinhuge · « **Reply #25 on:** March 29, 2007, 05:55:38 PM »

Quote from: Pollux on March 25, 2007, 09:01:06 AM

OK... OK... which pro are you, and what BFTO have you been featured on?

hey pollux your avatar had me rolling on the floor man!!!!!!!!

I love it

dirk digler · « **Reply #26 on:** March 29, 2007, 06:04:00 PM »

Quote from: Chick on March 29, 2007, 04:46:02 PM

I became aware of BB when I was 12-13 years old...loved it from day one.

I competed as an amateur, then as a pro, have contracts, traveled the world, met many people and have had great opportunities all because of my bodybuilding career...TV, movies, production, directing, and of course...I make a great living doing what I love to do.

mmmmmmmmmmmk, Bob. That must be why most parents would not want their children to be in the "sport". Take your Charles Atlas pipe dream and put up the flag pole at bb.com where the highschool sophomores still think your so important.
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BayGBM · « **Reply #27 on:** March 29, 2007, 06:41:42 PM »

Quote from: Special Ed on March 25, 2007, 10:44:10 AM

The real reason is that the Mr. Olympia contract requires all competing athletes to participate in the BTFO video without compensation. Perhaps Cutler or Coleman is able to negotiate themselves out of that provision, but none of the other guys have the leverage to do so.

No sign contract, no compete in contest.
No compete in contest, no more sponsorship.
No more sponsorship, no more money.
No more money = gay for pay.

bigkubby · « **Reply #28 on:** March 29, 2007, 07:01:38 PM »

Quote from: Rimbaud on March 25, 2007, 08:55:28 AM

I think the girls actually get a hat &/or T-Shirt.

does anyone think the bodybuilders will get paid to show theyre dingle lings lmao . hope this helps

Shawn Ray · « **Reply #29 on:** March 29, 2007, 07:15:31 PM »

By the way, Signing the Mr. Olympia Contract and having to participate in the BFTO Dvd also guarantees each Athlete regardless of where they finish: $4,000.00 down to last place on top of the 100 DVD they get from MOC Productions Free to market, sell, give away whatever so it's actually an $8,000.00 weekend to All Qualified/ Competing Olympia Athletes.

My two cents.
S. Ray

Special Ed · « **Reply #30 on:** March 29, 2007, 08:12:32 PM »

Quote from: Shawn Ray on March 29, 2007, 07:15:31 PM

By the way, Signing the Mr. Olympia Contract and having to participate in the BFTO Dvd also guarantees teach Athlete regardless of where they finish: $4,000.00 down to last place on top of the 100 DVD they get from MOC Productions Free to market, sell, give away whatever so it's actually an $8,000.00 weekend to All Qualified/ Competing Olympia Athletes.

My two cents.
S. Ray

Shawn, I agree that the $4000 payment regardless of one's finish is guaranteed and a good thing, but unloading 100 BTFO DVDs is not exactly a freebie (especially for the lower-placing guys). Whether it's lugging the DVDs to each appearance or selling and shipping them online, it's still a hustle and it involves more than sitting back and cashing a check. Once again, it's getting paid in product, which is always inferior to getting paid straight up. If selling 100 is an easy gig because there's so much demand, then why not just pay them upfront for their time and video rights usage and let Mits collect the money by selling them all?

It's no different than the lower-tier Muscletech guys who used to (or maybe still do) get paid in product. $1000/month in retail product credit sucks far more than $1000/month cash, even with the 1099s.

My three cents.
S. Ed

Shawn Ray · « **Reply #31 on:** March 29, 2007, 09:26:10 PM »

I agree but trust me when I say, things are a whole lot better now than even 5 years ago when only the top 10 got paid and even then the guys only got 50 dvd's.

That said, most of the guys can unload the DVD's even the bottom feeders for a price to fans, friends, retail stores and at appearances.
Regardless, would you have it that the guys get nothing except the Guaranteed prize Money for qualifying in the show? Because that is the next option.
They have to appear in the DVD but it is not true that they "Have to get 100 Copies" that is soley out of the generousity of Mits Okabe.

Things that make you go, "HHHmmmmmmmm........."

Chick · « **Reply #32 on:** March 29, 2007, 09:35:17 PM »

Quote from: Special Ed on March 29, 2007, 08:12:32 PM

Shawn, I agree that the $4000 payment regardless of one's finish is guaranteed and a good thing, but unloading 100 BTFO DVDs is not exactly a freebie (especially for the lower-placing guys). Whether it's lugging the DVDs to each appearance or selling and shipping them online, it's still a hustle and it involves more than sitting back and cashing a check. Once again, it's getting paid in product, which is always inferior to getting paid straight up. If selling 100 is an easy gig because there's so much demand, then why not just pay them upfront for their time and video rights usage and let Mits collect the money by selling them all?

It's no different than the lower-tier Muscletech guys who used to (or maybe still do) get paid in product. $1000/month in retail product credit sucks far more than $1000/month cash, even with the 1099s.

My three cents.
S. Ed

It's no "hustle"...that's what these guys do for a living...I'm sure if we tok a poll, 100% of the guys would rather have the 100 DVD's to potentially make $4,000 rather than a guarantee of let's say $1,000 for participating, as no one would pay 25 guys $4K ea. to shoot this...even at $2k/ ea. it wouldn't be cost effective to pay $50k + production costs etc....

The tier system Muscletech uses isn't for pro's, it's for guys climbing the ladder, amateurs...$1,000 worth of retail product is a fair amount of supps to do with what they wish...every pro on their roster gets paid a monthly check on contract.

knny187 · « **Reply #33 on:** March 29, 2007, 10:20:47 PM »

Quote from: Chick on March 29, 2007, 09:35:17 PM

It's no "hustle"...that's what these guys do for a living...I'm sure if we tok a poll, 100% of the guys would rather have the 100 DVD's to potentially make $4,000 rather than a guarantee of let's say $1,000 for participating, as no one would pay 25 guys $4K ea. to shoot this...even at $2k/ ea. it wouldn't be cost effective to pay $50k + production costs etc....

The tier system Muscletech uses isn't for pro's, it's for guys climbing the ladder, amateurs...$1,000 worth of retail product is a fair amount of supps to do with what they wish...every pro on their roster gets paid a monthly check on contract.

2 questions....

Out of pocket or the over head on the 100 DVD's? Seems like pennies on the dollar to me.

$1000 SUPPS.......is that cost or suggested retail? $:-\$

Theoak* · « **Reply #34 on:** March 29, 2007, 11:38:54 PM »

Wow a whole 4 k? Just about enough to pay for the anti-e's and diuretics for their pre-contest cycle.

dirk digler · « **Reply #35 on:** March 30, 2007, 06:21:11 AM »

Quote from: Theoak* on March 29, 2007, 11:38:54 PM

Wow a whole 4 k? Just about enough to pay for the anti-e's and diuretics for their pre-contest cycle.

Makes me wanna be a pro bber!

Chick · « **Reply #36 on:** March 30, 2007, 07:29:19 AM »

Quote from: knny187 on March 29, 2007, 10:20:47 PM

2 questions....

Out of pocket or the over head on the 100 DVD's? Seems like pennies on the dollar to me.

$1000 SUPPS.......is that cost or suggested retail? $:-\$

Not sure I understand what you're asking...there is nothing "out of pocket" to the guys, they are GIVEN 100 DVD's...free, as in "no cost to them"...they can sell them and make $4,000...give them away...whatever they wish.

Not sure on the MT tier system if it's retail, wholesale, or anywhere in between....

Special Ed · « **Reply #37 on:** March 30, 2007, 07:39:35 AM »

Quote from: Chick on March 29, 2007, 09:35:17 PM

It's no "hustle"...that's what these guys do for a living...I'm sure if we tok a poll, 100% of the guys would rather have the 100 DVD's to potentially make $4,000 rather than a guarantee of let's say $1,000 for participating, as no one would pay 25 guys $4K ea. to shoot this...even at $2k/ ea. it wouldn't be cost effective to pay $50k + production costs etc....

I agree with your comment about cost-effectiveness, but perhaps giving the BTFO participants the OPTION of taking $1000 or $1500 in lieu of the 100 DVDs would be more fair than assuming everyone would prefer to sell them on their own. If, in fact, your assumption is correct that 100% of the guys would take the DVDs, there would be no difference in the bottom line for Mits or the participants, but at least they would have that choice. I think that would be a fair compromise in the best interests of your constituency.

What sayeth thou?

Chick · « **Reply #38 on:** March 30, 2007, 07:52:19 AM »

Quote from: Special Ed on March 30, 2007, 07:39:35 AM

I agree with your comment about cost-effectiveness, but perhaps giving the BTFO participants the OPTION of taking $1000 or $1500 in lieu of the 100 DVDs would be more fair than assuming everyone would prefer to sell them on their own. If, in fact, your assumption is correct that 100% of the guys would take the DVDs, there would be no difference in the bottom line for Mits or the participants, but at least they would have that choice. I think that would be a fair compromise in the best interests of your constituency.

What sayeth thou?

Well, I'l tell you what Ed...when I get ONE complaint from ONE guy in the Olympia, I'll consider that option...until then...all I see is a bunch of guys on an internet board bitching as if THEY have some vested ineterest in it.

Special Ed · « **Reply #39 on:** March 30, 2007, 08:00:58 AM »

Quote from: Chick on March 30, 2007, 07:52:19 AM

Well, I'l tell you what Ed...when I get ONE complaint from ONE guy in the Olympia, I'll consider that option...until then...all I see is a bunch of guys on an internet board bitching as if THEY have some vested interest in it.

Fair enough...although your use of the term 'bitching' is more appropriately used when the party has some stake in the matter. For us non-interested parties, I prefer the terms 'constructive suggestions' or 'shit-stirring'.

hipolito mejia · « **Reply #40 on:** March 30, 2007, 08:04:08 AM »

Quote from: gymguy on March 25, 2007, 08:41:58 AM

I think these guys need to hire agents.

Wrong,
If they work for peanuts,imagine what would it be left to them if they have to pay an agent, I mean if you're talking about a real agent.

hipolito mejia · « **Reply #41 on:** March 30, 2007, 08:06:28 AM »

Quote from: SteelePegasus on March 25, 2007, 08:46:22 AM

did you know that the girls in the "girls gone wild" dvd series are not paid. The girls will show their tits and ass just be seen on tv/dvd and the potential attention that it might bring. Although no one really cares or can remember their faces.

I hope that my comments helps to answer your question

Case closed.

BUCK 65 · « **Reply #42 on:** March 30, 2007, 08:32:42 AM »

Why keep rippin' on the pro's -can't be all that bad -otherwise they wouldn't do what they do.
there are worse deals in life for sure.

There are so many who downplay $4k when they likely haven't ever had 4k to their names.
Especially the ones who live in their parents basement & collect unemployment checks !
Too many suspects to list who fit that catagory here

PRAXIS · « **Reply #43 on:** March 30, 2007, 08:53:12 AM »

Quote from: BUCK 65 on March 30, 2007, 08:32:42 AM

Why keep rippin' on the pro's -can't be all that bad -otherwise they wouldn't do what they do.
there are worse deals in life for sure.

There are so many who downplay $4k when they likely haven't ever had 4k to their names.
Especially the ones who live in their parents basement & collect unemployment checks !
Too many suspects to list who fit that catagory here

Thats Bull. We have Vice Presidents on this board who constantly go to war with every member who thinks they are a joke. We have some serious shot callers here!!!

BUCK 65 · « **Reply #44 on:** March 30, 2007, 11:41:47 AM »

Yes agreed some are serious-MOST aren't
The biggest laugh about this board is the people who continually tell the pro's how "they" should be.
The pro's aren't as bad off as most believe-those who aren't happy have acted -good for them.
Nice thing about America is EVERYBODY has choices !

Shawn Ray · « **Reply #45 on:** March 31, 2007, 06:00:15 AM »

These guys dont sell the DVD's all at one appearance.
I know when I competed it took me awhile and several appearances to get the DVD's out there but trust me when I say, I SOLD ALL OF THEM!
Each appearance I had about 20 with me and when the sold, I was happy I participated in the BFTO and the fans were grateful I brought them with me on my appearances.
Like Chick said, when the BBers complain, this would be something to debate. Sadly, it has not been a problem for the athletes and actually a benefit to them.
Can we turn the page now.............

The guys are a lot better off now than in years past.

kyomu · « **Reply #46 on:** March 31, 2007, 07:12:32 AM »

Quote from: Shawn Ray on March 31, 2007, 06:00:15 AM

These guys dont sell the DVD's all at one appearance.
I know when I competed it took me awhile and several appearances to get the DVD's out there but trust me when I say, I SOLD ALL OF THEM!
Each appearance I had about 20 with me and when the sold, I was happy I participated in the BFTO and the fans were grateful I brought them with me on my appearances.
Like Chick said, when the BBers complain, this would be something to debate. Sadly, it has not been a problem for the athletes and actually a benefit to them.
Can we turn the page now.............
The guys are a lot better off now than in years past.

So it took you a while to get them sold out.....
Money income and term are relative. If not, there isnt the interest in bank business.
I keep on saying;Royalty and minimum guarentee shoud be paid with money. Not product..

gordiano · « **Reply #47 on:** March 31, 2007, 11:03:08 AM »

Quote from: adipo8 on March 26, 2007, 06:58:00 AM

marketing a bodybuilder is not a easy task. There are limted ways for an athlete to make revenue. If a Athlete wants to make a video him self then he must pay for it. That cost thousands of dollars. However When doing the Battle for O - you recieve compensation. You may not agree but it is compensation.

$4000.00- in the pocket is better than paying $4000.00 for some start bodybuilder video.

Either support or do not support however quit the whining unless you have a financial plan on how YOU are going to compensate the athletes.

Hi Ben!

Matt C · « **Reply #48 on:** March 31, 2007, 04:33:47 PM »

Quote from: Shawn Ray on March 31, 2007, 06:00:15 AM

These guys dont sell the DVD's all at one appearance.
I know when I competed it took me awhile and several appearances to get the DVD's out there but trust me when I say, I SOLD ALL OF THEM!
Each appearance I had about 20 with me and when the sold, I was happy I participated in the BFTO and the fans were grateful I brought them with me on my appearances.
Like Chick said, when the BBers complain, this would be something to debate. Sadly, it has not been a problem for the athletes and actually a benefit to them.
Can we turn the page now.............
The guys are a lot better off now than in years past.

And that's good - more money is being generated in the industry and more is trickling down to the bodybuilders that create it. Any pro bodybuilder can make a living in bodybuilding if they are smart and apply themselves properly. Too bad for those who don't, but that is their responsibility. $:-\$ Your DVD review is coming soon.