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Re: Boxing is officially dead...
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2007, 11:47:52 AM »
This MMA vs. Boxing shit is getting really old. 

Boxing isn't dead by any means.  I can't wait for Margarito v. Williams, Hopkins v. Wright, Castillo v. Hatton, or the Cotto v. Judah fight.  There are a lot of great fights on the horizon.

I wish people would knock the chip off of their shoulder on this whole issue and enjoy both for what they're worth.

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Re: Boxing is officially dead...
« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2007, 11:49:13 AM »
I d rather watch 2 men have a stand up fist fight then roll around with their legs wrapped round each other.

Sounds like you're fucked then, for there is no sport for you as there is no fist fighting in boxing...just a bunch of pussys with pillows on their hands patting eachother :-\
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Re: Boxing is officially dead...
« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2007, 12:06:57 PM »
Sounds like you're fucked then, for there is no sport for you as there is no fist fighting in boxing...just a bunch of pussys with pillows on their hands patting eachother :-\

Why are the boxers pussys?  Isn't MMA safer than boxing because of less blows received to the head?  Doesn't that make the MMA guys pussys too.  It's two different things.  I boxed for 9 years as a youth and received plenty of accolades and now I study Sambo and Muay Thai.  I'd like to try MMA.  Maybe I shouldn't though, apparently you can't like one without hating the other.

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Re: Boxing is officially dead...
« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2007, 12:08:54 PM »
Why are the boxers pussys?  Isn't MMA safer than boxing because of less blows received to the head?  Doesn't that make the MMA guys pussys too.  It's two different things.  I boxed for 9 years as a youth and received plenty of accolades and now I study Sambo and Muay Thai.  I'd like to try MMA.  Maybe I shouldn't though, apparently you can't like one without hating the other.

just fucking with you guys...chill ;D
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Re: Boxing is officially dead...
« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2007, 12:15:52 PM »
just fucking with you guys...chill ;D

Peace. ;D

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Re: Boxing is officially dead...
« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2007, 12:22:12 PM »
Peace. ;D

How are you adjusting to Muay Thai v. boxing?
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Re: Boxing is officially dead...
« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2007, 01:45:36 PM »
We'll see when the PPV  buys comes in. 

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Re: Boxing is officially dead...
« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2007, 01:58:41 PM »
This MMA vs. Boxing shit is getting really old. 

Boxing isn't dead by any means.  I can't wait for Margarito v. Williams, Hopkins v. Wright, Castillo v. Hatton, or the Cotto v. Judah fight.  There are a lot of great fights on the horizon.

I wish people would knock the chip off of their shoulder on this whole issue and enjoy both for what they're worth.

I completely agree brother. I'll watch the best match up on the tube plain and simple.

UFC is getting god damn annoying with all it's pay-per-views. It's lke the WWF. A new hype every 60 days. Boxing might not be what it was ten years ago but at least I'm not getting over exposed and asked to pay $45.00+ every 60 days for a fight. At least with boxing I'll see the fight on HBO down the road. If you miss the UFC fight you're screwed. Maybe youtube.

While the pay-per-view numbers are great for the UFC that doesn't mean the fights are any good. Look at UFC 69 Diego Sanchez vs. Josh Koscheck. WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT. Dirty Sanchez was the next comming of Christ according to lame ass Joe Rogan and he did nothing.

So while boxing might be on life support that doesn't mean the UFC is taking the throne. I'll watch the best action on TV. That could be either way.
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Re: Boxing is officially dead...
« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2007, 02:03:12 PM »
I completely agree brother. I'll watch the best match up on the tube plain and simple.

UFC is getting god damn annoying with all it's pay-per-views. It's lke the WWF. A new hype every 60 days. Boxing might not be what it was ten years ago but at least I'm not getting over exposed and asked to pay $45.00+ every 60 days for a fight. At least with boxing I'll see the fight on HBO down the road. If you miss the UFC fight you're screwed. Maybe youtube.

While the pay-per-view numbers are great for the UFC that doesn't mean the fights are any good. Look at UFC 69 Diego Sanchez vs. Josh Koscheck. WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT. Dirty Sanchez was the next comming of Christ according to lame ass Joe Rogan and he did nothing.

So while boxing might be on life support that doesn't mean the UFC is taking the throne. I'll watch the best action on TV. That could be either way.

Sanchez vs. Koschek sucked becasue the BOXED for three rounds!
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Re: Boxing is officially dead...
« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2007, 02:26:06 PM »
I agree with LatsMcgee, I personally enjoy watching a good fight, I don't care if it's MMA, Boxing,Muay Thai, or a ground war for that matter.
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Re: Boxing is officially dead...
« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2007, 02:28:01 PM »
Sanchez vs. Koschek sucked becasue the BOXED for three rounds!

Exactly. THEY WISHED THEY WERE BOXERS!!! In the end every MMA wants a knockout NOT a tap out.
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« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2007, 02:34:01 PM »
Exactly. THEY WISHED THEY WERE BOXERS!!! In the end every MMA wants a knockout NOT a tap out.

Of course most people prefer a KO.  Yet another reason why MMA is killing boxing.  With 4oz gloves, elbows, knees, legs, body slams and G&P as part of the arsenal, KO's are FAR more common in MMA vs. hands-in-pillows-only boxing...ha ha ha!  You boxing guys get so pissed it's comical...lol!
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Re: Boxing is officially dead...
« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2007, 05:54:20 PM »
Boxing is fastly dying and MMA is rapidly growing for a simple reason;

-Boxing = The fighter is the draw and there isn't many draws anymore

-MMA = The action is the draw and there is tons of talent to display the action where boxing is lacking poplular fighters to bring the crowd!

One other thing: MMA has white guys who can actually fight who aren't pussies. How many of those have you seen in boxing over the last 3 decades?

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Re: Boxing is officially dead...
« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2007, 05:55:32 PM »
I agree with LatsMcgee, I personally enjoy watching a good fight, I don't care if it's MMA, Boxing,Muay Thai, or a ground war for that matter.

Ya, but it doesn't happen often enough in boxing.

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Re: Boxing is officially dead...
« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2007, 05:57:16 PM »
All the changes you just suggested would kill MMA.  The reason why it's exciting, is becasue it's as close to a real street fight as it gets in organized sports.  In a real fight there are no rounds, no standing people up and no rules.  If you ask me, the UFC fights were better when there were less rules, no wieght classes and no time limits.


Agreed; part of the problem with boxing is that there are too many rules, clinches, strategies, etc. in the way of action now. Ali was one of the first responsible for this with rope-a-dope, holding, clinching, etc. nothing to do with fighting.

Another problem with boxing is the lack of white guys, especially anyone who can fight. What i want to know is why white guys like to fight in MMA and not boxing, obviously there's an appeal with one and not the other.

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Re: Boxing is officially dead...
« Reply #41 on: May 07, 2007, 08:25:58 PM »
One other thing: MMA has white guys who can actually fight who aren't pussies. How many of those have you seen in boxing over the last 3 decades?

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Re: Boxing is officially dead...
« Reply #42 on: May 07, 2007, 09:22:16 PM »
One other thing: MMA has white guys who can actually fight who aren't pussies. How many of those have you seen in boxing over the last 3 decades?

Mickey Ward was arguably the toughest and most fun to watch in boxing and he was white.

Anybody that watched his bouts with Arturo Gatti would never think those two were pussies.

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Re: Boxing is officially dead...
« Reply #43 on: May 07, 2007, 11:41:51 PM »
I love all combat sports, I just like having more weapons in one's arsenal that a GOOD mma match allows.  Getting a nice arm drag, a sweep from open guard, a well executed jab, body kick, hook combo.  Or transisitioning seemlessly from striking to clinch to ground. 

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Re: Boxing is officially dead...
« Reply #44 on: May 08, 2007, 01:24:59 AM »
I love all combat sports, I just like having more weapons in one's arsenal that a GOOD mma match allows.  Getting a nice arm drag, a sweep from open guard, a well executed jab, body kick, hook combo.  Or transisitioning seemlessly from striking to clinch to ground. 

that only seems to happen when one of the guys is completely outclassed.  other wise it's 2 guys looking for a 1 punch KO until they go to ground then they roll around until the end of the round.  when there are 2 good mma guys in the ring they cancel each other out and nothing happens unless it's a lucky KO or someone actually tries for something misses and gets submitted.
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Re: Boxing is officially dead...
« Reply #45 on: May 08, 2007, 01:48:56 AM »
How are you adjusting to Muay Thai v. boxing?

Being able to knee on the clinch is the coolest thing ever.  I also enjoy the leg kicks.  When I first started it was hard to adjust but I'm catching up.

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Re: Boxing is officially dead...
« Reply #46 on: May 08, 2007, 02:15:15 AM »
Agreed; part of the problem with boxing is that there are too many rules, clinches, strategies, etc. in the way of action now. Ali was one of the first responsible for this with rope-a-dope, holding, clinching, etc. nothing to do with fighting.

Another problem with boxing is the lack of white guys, especially anyone who can fight. What i want to know is why white guys like to fight in MMA and not boxing, obviously there's an appeal with one and not the other.

All the heavyweight champs except Briggs are white guys.  ::)

Boxing attracts poor working class types, because it doesn't require a ton of equipment or specialised training in a variety of fighting styles. It's like basketball, all you need is a ball and a hoop. That's why you see a lot of blacks, hispanics, and eatern Europeans. They come from poor environments. Also, with boxing you either got the speed or you don't when you're young, and you cultivate that from an early age. Middle-class Anglo guys usually are thinking about school first, so it's hard to gauge their boxing skills. Much easier for these guys to learn the technical aspects of ground fighting, and develop "decent" stand up. That's all it takes to win really.

Back on topic:

Boxing isn't dead. UFC has already peaked. Boxing has been around forever. UFC was entertaining when it was a better approximation of a real fight...when guys like Tank Abbott, Bas Rutten, and Don Fry were dominant. Now it's turned into another sport. Boxing, while not as "real" is much more entertaining if it's a good fight. It's pure. The winner is determined to be the best boxer, while a UFC match has more variables. I'd rather see guys with fast hands wailing on each other's head, than see a couple guys roll around for 5 minutes. Snooze fest. zzzzzz.
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Re: Boxing is officially dead...
« Reply #47 on: May 08, 2007, 06:02:23 AM »
All the heavyweight champs except Briggs are white guys.  ::)


Oh those guys are outstanding.  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)


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Boxing attracts poor working class types.

No shit, thanks for enlightening us. I have news for you: good working class white fighters are almost as rare as minorities in hockey.

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Re: Boxing is officially dead...
« Reply #48 on: May 08, 2007, 06:05:54 AM »
Boxing isn't dead. UFC has already peaked. Boxing has been around forever. UFC was entertaining when it was a better approximation of a real fight...when guys like Tank Abbott, Bas Rutten, and Don Fry were dominant. Now it's turned into another sport. Boxing, while not as "real" is much more entertaining if it's a good fight. It's pure. The winner is determined to be the best boxer, while a UFC match has more variables. I'd rather see guys with fast hands wailing on each other's head, than see a couple guys roll around for 5 minutes. Snooze fest. zzzzzz.

Thanks again for stating the obvious. Wishful thinking on boxing. Not to say it won't change in future but the key thing you've missed is that the frequency of good fights is low. Overall boxing now is about as exciting as your theories.

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Re: Boxing is officially dead...
« Reply #49 on: May 08, 2007, 06:11:54 AM »
Of course most people prefer a KO.  Yet another reason why MMA is killing boxing.  With 4oz gloves, elbows, knees, legs, body slams and G&P as part of the arsenal, KO's are FAR more common in MMA vs. hands-in-pillows-only boxing...ha ha ha!  You boxing guys get so pissed it's comical...lol!


Mindspin how is the MMA killing boxing?
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