Why such low weights when training with Milos???

[Devon97]

When you lift a submaximal load for many many reps you recruit the SLOW twitch fibers and thus result in Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy.... however when you use 90% or more of your percived 1rep MAX you RECRUIT the FAST TWITCH fibers which result in Sarcomere hypertrophy... most responsibly for muscle growth and myogenic tone.

For best results always cycle HEAVY loads in your training.

Most bbers dont do this.... the very reason you should NEVER listen to the advice a bber gives in reguards to weight training.

[Bluto]

I think it works. I've tried heavy -- remember I trained for strongman for about 4 years. Went to WSM '98 in Morocco as a stand-in. So, I think I have a bit of experience training low-volume, heavy compound weight movements.

This is much, much better for size.

And last week when I did the pink dumbell workout for shoulders, I pushed it so far that my eyes teared up...that was a first for me. But imo, my shoulders are getting jakked.

better for size? doubt it

better for cardio and heart seems more like it

squats with 1 plate per side builts more size than 4 plates per side?

[The Coach]

and what is it YOU know? not much from what i can tell

how come 99 outta 100 bodybuilders NOT train the way milos trains if it's so great?

1. Hahaha..ok bluto.

2. Because they're on a gear and when on gear anything works!

[Bluto]

1. Hahaha..ok bluto.

2. Because they're on a gear and when on gear anything works!

and everyone who works with milos is natural?

did you drop one of those pink dumbbells you use on your head this morning?

[The Coach]

When you lift a submaximal load for many many reps you recruit the SLOW twitch fibers and thus result in Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy.... however when you use 90% or more of your percived 1rep MAX you RECRUIT the FAST TWITCH fibers which result in Sarcomere hypertrophy... most responsibly for muscle growth and myogenic tone.

For best results always cycle HEAVY loads in your training.

Most bbers dont do this.... the very reason you should NEVER listen to the advice a bber gives in reguards to weight training.

Sorry, you're wrong, your suggesting that by training that way that the muscle is recruting oxygen, that's not the case with almost any type of weight training!

[SquatAss]

When you lift a submaximal load for many many reps you recruit the SLOW twitch fibers and thus result in Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy.... however when you use 90% or more of your percived 1rep MAX you RECRUIT the FAST TWITCH fibers which result in Sarcomere hypertrophy... most responsibly for muscle growth and myogenic tone.

For best results always cycle HEAVY loads in your training.

Most bbers dont do this.... the very reason you should NEVER listen to the advice a bber gives in reguards to weight training.

You are somewhat right. Muscle fibers are recruited in order: from slow to fast. When you perform a lift the slow fibers come in to play first, always. When the load is too heavy for just the slow fibers to handle, the faster fibers come in to play.

The difference between sarcoplasmic and sarcomere hypertrophy has nothing to do with the difference between slow and fast fibers. With sarcoplasmic hypertrophy the volume of the tissue that supplies energy to the fibers (all fibers) is increased. To put it simpler: your muscles hold more fluids. This kind of hypertrophy accurs from lighter weights, higher reps trainig.

With sarcomere hypertrophy the volume of contractile machinery is increased: the volume of the actual muscle tissue increases.

The fast muscle fibers are much more susceptible to damage from weight training and that's why heavy weights, fewer reps is indeed the way to go for sarcomere hypertrophy.

Still the muscle fluids count for something like 20% of a muscles volume so you shouldn't discard sarcoplasmic hypertrophy neither.

[The Coach]

and everyone who works with milos is natural?

Never said that!

[Bluto]

Never said that!

but you are saying that any bodybuilder can pretty much do anything he wants and it wont matter, since theyre on drugs? whether they work out once a week, twice a day, lift hardly any weight, a lot of weight etc wont matter?

hell, ronnie might as well do pink dumbbell curls for sets of 3 once every two weeks right?

[garraeth]

but you are saying that any bodybuilder can pretty much do anything he wants and it wont matter, since theyre on drugs? whether they work out once a week, twice a day, lift hardly any weight, a lot of weight etc wont matter?

hell, ronnie might as well do pink dumbbell curls for sets of 3 once every two weeks right?

You're right, I don't even really go to the gym. It's boring there and the music sucks.

[MCWAY]

because they're doing it wrong

monster waste of nutrition

If it's helping them gain more size and getting them in better shape and condition, they're not doing it "wrong" or engaging in a "waste of nutrition".

[Bluto]

If it's helping them gain more size and getting them in better shape and condition, they're not doing it "wrong" or engaging in a "waste of nutrition".

if there's tons of better methods then it's wrong.

and puking is a waste of nutrition.

[garraeth]

if there's tons of better methods then it's wrong.

and puking is a waste of nutrition.

I always do it wrong tho. Didn't you know? Just look at all my failed businesses! I'm working on my next failed business as I type this.

And puking is a very effective weight control method - they really don't use drugs like T3 or clen -- just barf it up. Ask any pro...or Adam.

[MCWAY]

if there's tons of better methods then it's wrong.

and puking is a waste of nutrition.

And who's to say that, for those particular bodybuilders, the methods they are currently aren't the best (or among the best).

How many guys bench lots of weight yet have lousy chests?

As one bodybuilding writer put it, "One type of training and one type of diet cannot and will not build a championship body".

There are times to lift heavy and there are times to lift lighter. Arnold himself has said much the same, specifically with arms. He wrote that he's seen bodybuilders do curls with 100-lb dumbbells; yet they are dumbfounded as to why their arms are still 18"; but they see Arnold using 60s, sporting his 21" guns.

As for the "puking", that's certainly not intentional. When reading about Milos and the guys he trains, the only I recall puking was Luke Wood (But, Wood had the flu for about a week or so).

[Bluto]

And who's to say that, for those particular bodybuilders, the methods they are currently aren't the best (or among the best).

How many guys bench lots of weight yet have lousy chests?

As one bodybuilding writer put it, "One type of training and one type of diet cannot and will not build a championship body".

There are times to lift heavy and there are times to lift lighter. Arnold himself has said much the same, specifically with arms. He wrote that he's seen bodybuilders do curls with 100-lb dumbbells; yet they are dumbfounded as to why their arms are still 18"; but they see Arnold using 60s, sporting his 21" guns.

As for the "puking", that's certainly not intentional. When reading about Milos and the guys he trains, the only I recall puking was Luke Wood (But, Wood had the flu for about a week or so).

in this thread this particular training is discussed.

as for puking, yet it seems intentional. maybe you need to watch some of the episodes from the fit show. training to you puke seems to be part of milos macho attitude when it comes to training.

the same attitude he displayed when asked on the radio what he thought about failure, where he said they always do it and you have to make up your mind if you want to train hard or some shit like that.

[MCWAY]

in this thread this particular training is discussed.

as for puking, yet it seems intentional. maybe you need to watch some of the episodes from the fit show. training to you puke seems to be part of milos macho attitude when it comes to training.

the same attitude he displayed when asked on the radio what he thought about failure, where he said they always do it and you have to make up your mind if you want to train hard or some shit like that.

Puking has nothing to do with being macho. More often than not, it's simply a guy, getting dizzy or not getting enough rest between sets. I used to puke when I trained legs. Turns out, I kept holding my breath, while doing reps with heavy weight. So, I deliberately inhaled and exhaled, with a super-deep breath on the inhale and a big blowout on the exhale.

No more dizziness, no more puking!

Plus, it appears the bodybuilders are quite advanced. So, they have plenty of muscle, likely obtain from earlier years of more basic (and likely heavier) training.

In any event, it certainly isn't the first time, bodybuilders have switched to training, using lighter weights and more supersets and giant sets, after they've built their physique, to that point, with heavier weights for years prior.

[WhiteCastle]

If I'm correct, I think his training methods use lower weights because they basically do 6-9 different exercises targeting that specific muscle group with no rest in between.  So it can come out to around 90-120 reps with little to no rest.

[Bluto]

Puking has nothing to do with being macho. More often than not, it's simply a guy, getting dizzy or not getting enough rest between sets. I used to puke when I trained legs. Turns out, I kept holding my breath, while doing reps with heavy weight. So, I deliberately inhaled and exhaled, with a super-deep breath on the inhale and a big blowout on the exhale.

No more dizziness, no more puking!

Plus, it appears the bodybuilders are quite advanced. So, they have plenty of muscle, likely obtain from earlier years of more basic (and likely heavier) training.

In any event, it certainly isn't the first time, bodybuilders have switched to training, using lighter weights and more supersets and giant sets, after they've built their physique, to that point, with heavier weights for years prior.

look.

watch the videos.
it's portrayed as being macho.
no point in discussing when you havent even watched the videos or know what im talking about.

[garraeth]

look.

watch the videos.
it's portrayed as being macho.
no point in discussing when you havent even watched the videos or know what im talking about.

Can I comment? I've been there when people have puked. Or do I have to watch the videos too before I comment?

[Bluto]

Can I comment? I've been there when people have puked. Or do I have to watch the videos too before I comment?

good thats what im saying

[mesmorph78]

personally i think its dumb...
its a given if you do enough reps with any weight u will reach failure.... everybody is acting like milos has stumbled on to some new phenomenon..
if your gonna such light weight why even go to the gym.. yould do the same with... ur bodyweight....
sometimes people as such sheep..
..

[garraeth]

personally i think its dumb...
its a given if you do enough reps with any weight u will reach failure.... everybody is acting like milos has stumbled on to some new phenomenon..
if your gonna such light weight why even go to the gym.. yould do the same with... ur bodyweight....
sometimes people as such sheep..
..

You're only a sheep if you don't verify something for youself. Just follow the crowd and/or loudest person in the room.

Since you haven't (and probably won't) try this method to verify it, you are therefore, a sheep.

How ironic.

[mesmorph78]

...
no my friend i am quite happy with my build thank you...
not a sheep and far from...
ill just leave it at that
i could go indepr and show you why you are a sheep... but i dont have enough motive or the time..
happy lifting bro
 
mes

[BroadStreetBruiser]

these responses are gayer then dick in the butthole

[jr]

Is it true that you have to be a masochist to train Milos style?

[Max_Rep]

yes but squatting with 1 plate per side? why dont you bring out the pink dumbbells while you're at it and shout "it's bodybuilding not powerlifting!!!"

typical sissy talk!

How come "manly-men" like you didn't show up at Milos's seminar and put yourselves on the line by actually going through the training session.

I can promise you doing 6 -12 exercises in a row with no more than 5 to 10 seconds rest is a lot harder than it looks.