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Re: What's your annual salary?
« Reply #75 on: August 30, 2007, 08:41:00 PM »

Whatever $3.99/minute works out to.

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Re: What's your annual salary?
« Reply #76 on: August 30, 2007, 08:41:06 PM »
Well to actually have an opportunity to interview for a higher position, at least for the company I work for,  you have to have a college degree in I.T. related curriculum  and 5 years experience for just a entry level helpdesk position.  This was changed after I came aboard.  So at this point I am stuck.  In your example the programmer could in fact show you what they have done.  In my case as a Server administrator what the fuck am I gonna show?  And yes I do have paper.  All of these useless certifications that was, at the time, the only thing that mattered in I.T.  No I never interviewed with a CEO or CTO but that is only because the I.T. managers hands are tied.  They are instructed only to interview people with the qualifications set by the high up non-technical people.  By the way...CTO doesn't mean jack shit.  I worked for Harrah's and the CTO was the Finance Director.  The dude was clueless when it came to infrastructure issues, etc. The only thing he chimed in about was the fucking budget.
Yeah, that's bullshit. Companies run like those are usually dumps -- you would probably slit your wrists after a couple months working at places like those anyhow. I consulted at Quest Software and my "boss" was a guy w/ an MBA who had NO clue about software...so that's pretty rampant in medium/large companies w/ lots of politics and crap.

Yeah, it's hard showing something as an IT guy. But I'd say it can still be done. I had one guy show me his project summary with detailed photos of the servers he set up. Granted, he coulda lied about it being him who set it up...and in this case, he did...so I fired his ass. But same can be said about programmers -- I could show you pretty much any site/software and said I made it...even if I had the source code, I coulda worked on 1 tiny piece of the project and gotten a copy of the whole thing.


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Re: What's your annual salary?
« Reply #77 on: August 30, 2007, 08:43:20 PM »
so if windsor88 showed up on your doorstep with no degree, but loads of real world experience, would you at least give him the benefit of the doubt and interview him?



see that's the thing.  Garraeth is the exception.  Most CTO's do not interview anyone unless it will be someone reporting directly to him.  Real world guys are everywhere but cannot get anywhere.  Now if you had a CEO or CTO that had started from the bottom and worked their way up, then they would certainly understand that an overpriced piece of paper means nothing in real world situations.

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Re: What's your annual salary?
« Reply #78 on: August 30, 2007, 08:48:46 PM »
Yeah, that's bullshit. Companies run like those are usually dumps -- you would probably slit your wrists after a couple months working at places like those anyhow. I consulted at Quest Software and my "boss" was a guy w/ an MBA who had NO clue about software...so that's pretty rampant in medium/large companies w/ lots of politics and crap.

Yeah, it's hard showing something as an IT guy. But I'd say it can still be done. I had one guy show me his project summary with detailed photos of the servers he set up. Granted, he coulda lied about it being him who set it up...and in this case, he did...so I fired his ass. But same can be said about programmers -- I could show you pretty much any site/software and said I made it...even if I had the source code, I coulda worked on 1 tiny piece of the project and gotten a copy of the whole thing.



So I should video tape myself working on servers and post up on youtube?  Kind of like a highlight reel? 

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Re: What's your annual salary?
« Reply #79 on: August 30, 2007, 08:52:53 PM »
So I should video tape myself working on servers and post up on youtube?  Kind of like a highlight reel? 
hahaha YES!!! a video interview ;D
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: What's your annual salary?
« Reply #80 on: August 30, 2007, 08:53:49 PM »
Yeah the eye of the tiger only gets you so far.  You need understand business to run one or even be effective for that matter.  So your buying many thousands of what?  And how are you importing?  Chinese are very poor manufaturers.  I visited a tier one auto supply factory in Ningbo China, wow they are so behind.  Lot's of growth though.  

Autoparts.

And as for the the poor manufacturares, i have this idea that they just love money, cash! I remember my first trip, i saw so many business opportunities and all factories asking me for TT or 50% tt 50% lc at sight. So how did i solve it? Simple, i contacted all the factories i met and promised a volume i wasnt even sure i could buy, only if they would accept lc at sight, no tt. Suddenly, most of them were open to accept lc (i guess the word CONTAINERS(PLURAL) made them change their minds) and thats it.
I did my best to not fail in my promise and luckily, it worked all good and this is how i deal with chineses until today.
What i love more is that now i dont accept their rules, but the other way, and when your name is known in whatever you buy, many doors will be open.

I started in shenzhen, then travelled to guanzhou, yiwu, ningbo, qingdao and ended last year in shanghai, where im returning next week to visit some suppliers. I love china, its a country full of chances for those who are starting and have big dreams.
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Re: What's your annual salary?
« Reply #81 on: August 30, 2007, 08:59:32 PM »
Autoparts.

And as for the the poor manufacturares, i have this idea that they just love money, cash! I remember my first trip, i saw so many business opportunities and all factories asking me for TT or 50% tt 50% lc at sight. So how did i solve it? Simple, i contacted all the factories i met and promised a volume i wasnt even sure i could buy, only if they would accept lc at sight, no tt. Suddenly, most of them were open to accept lc (i guess the word CONTAINERS(PLURAL) made them change their minds) and thats it.
I did my best to not fail in my promise and luckily, it worked all good and this is how i deal with chineses until today.
What i love more is that now i dont accept their rules, but the other way, and when your name is known in whatever you buy, many doors will be open.

I started in shenzhen, then travelled to guanzhou, yiwu, ningbo, qingdao and ended last year in shanghai, where im returning next week to visit some suppliers. I love china, its a country full of chances for those who are starting and have big dreams.

Nice.  We market to automotive OEM's and tier ones.  I have been in several autmotive factories in China.  Yeah you are so right about china providing growth for the world, I know more auto is trying to move there but very unsuccessfully due to the poor level of quality.  India is also a bright spot.  Better quality there too. 

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Re: What's your annual salary?
« Reply #82 on: August 30, 2007, 09:10:43 PM »
Nice.  We market to automotive OEM's and tier ones.  I have been in several autmotive factories in China.  Yeah you are so right about china providing growth for the world, I know more auto is trying to move there but very unsuccessfully due to the poor level of quality.  India is also a bright spot.  Better quality there too. 

India is more expensive though, but i agree quality is way better.

And as for a good advice to anybody willing to make big bucks, copy the chinese way and adapt it to your market. Why having a secretary and 10 employees when you can be the boss and pick the phone, and do the same job as anybody else, with half of the people, pay less, sell cheap.

Quantity+Reasonable Quality+Cheap Price+Low costs = Success in whatever you do :)
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Re: What's your annual salary?
« Reply #83 on: August 30, 2007, 09:14:14 PM »
Just like everyone else on getbig mines roughly $1,000,000,000 after taxes.

Isn't that the truth ! LOL !

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Re: What's your annual salary?
« Reply #84 on: August 30, 2007, 09:22:45 PM »
I'm not a CEO, but am a CTO (in 2 companies now  ;D )...and you've been interviewing w/ the wrong people if you've been talking to CEO's. That's strike 1 against you Mr. Smarty Pants.And, proofs in the pudding. What have you done that's amazing/unique in your field? I may need a kickass IT guy sometime in the next couple months. But you can say all the shit you want -- until you show something you've done that's going to blow me away, I agree with the dickhead "CEO"'s...get a little piece of paper saying you're qualified or shut your trap.
Oh, and don't try bullshitting with me with techno speak. Toxy tried that all the time -- what a looser  ::)

Hahahahaha exactly Garraeth. Props to Our little friend "windsor88" (if that's even his real name)

I've been in every possible position in High Tech; from junior engineer all the way to Architect/Product manager. I spent 8 years in Silicon Valley before moving down here. I never "interviewed" with a CEO. If you are, it's either a scam or a shitty startup you don't wanna be part of.

I bet he feels sorry about all the lies they told him at "ITT Technical Institute" ;D

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Re: What's your annual salary?
« Reply #85 on: August 30, 2007, 09:28:23 PM »
Hahahahaha exactly Garraeth. Our little friend "windsor88" (if that's even his real name) is quite a little liar...

I've been in every possible position in High Tech; from junior engineer all the way to Architect/Product manager. I spent 8 years in Silicon Valley before moving down here. I never "interviewed" with a CEO. If you are, it's either a scam or a shitty startup you don't wanna be part of.

I bet he feels sorry about all the lies they told him at "ITT Technical Institute" ;D

Sorry Alex never claimed to get interviewed by CEO.  If I was to lie I think I would build myself up a little more than an IT dork.

Well to actually have an opportunity to interview for a higher position, at least for the company I work for,  you have to have a college degree in I.T. related curriculum  and 5 years experience for just a entry level helpdesk position.  This was changed after I came aboard.  So at this point I am stuck.  In your example the programmer could in fact show you what they have done.  In my case as a Server administrator what the fuck am I gonna show?  And yes I do have paper.  All of these useless certifications that was, at the time, the only thing that mattered in I.T.  No I never interviewed with a CEO or CTO but that is only because the I.T. managers hands are tied.  They are instructed only to interview people with the qualifications set by the high up non-technical people.  By the way...CTO doesn't mean jack shit.  I worked for Harrah's and the CTO was the Finance Director.  The dude was clueless when it came to infrastructure issues, etc. The only thing he chimed in about was the fucking budget.

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Re: What's your annual salary?
« Reply #86 on: August 30, 2007, 09:41:46 PM »
Sorry Alex never claimed to get interviewed by CEO.  If I was to lie I think I would build myself up a little more than an IT dork.


Oh my bad bro, didn't see that post.

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Re: What's your annual salary?
« Reply #87 on: August 30, 2007, 09:46:52 PM »
Chief Technical Officer.

And, no...real world experience, imo, counts MORE than the stupid piece of paper. Hell, one of the best programmers I know only went to ITTech for a couple years before dropping out. But, fucken hell, he programmes some of the most amazing shit. And, when I interviewed him, he SHOWED me some of this awesome shit he had made...so I ignored his shit paper qualifications in favor of his awesome real-world.

But what I'm saying w/ windsor88 is that 99% of the time, guys who are pissed at college educated people, and spout about how good real-world experience is, blah, blah, blah...don't have SHIT to back up their claim. Ok, so they are better than a guy who graduated from MIT in IT? Fucken-a, before you go off saying that bullshit you had better fucken have the most awesome thing you've made to show me to prove it.

...if not, you're a liar and dillusional.

Right, I can tell by your language, spelling and grammar that you're a CTO, total executive material.

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Re: What's your annual salary?
« Reply #88 on: August 30, 2007, 09:48:43 PM »
Oh my bad bro, didn't see that post.

No problem dude.   ;D

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Re: What's your annual salary?
« Reply #89 on: August 30, 2007, 09:51:42 PM »
This is a big hole in our economy today, and as well as why so many people are getting laid off. And then you have a high rate of unemployment relying on the gov't to provide them with free healthcare, income, foodstamps and etc.

Instead of keep outsourcing our jobs to foreign countries why not build the growth from within? Don't we have the strongest economy in the world no?
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Re: What's your annual salary?
« Reply #90 on: August 30, 2007, 09:56:04 PM »
Don't we have the strongest economy in the world no?

I think Japan has the strongest economy now.

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Re: What's your annual salary?
« Reply #91 on: August 30, 2007, 09:57:49 PM »
I think Japan has the strongest economy now.

is it 1989 where you are?

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Re: What's your annual salary?
« Reply #92 on: August 30, 2007, 09:59:32 PM »
I think Japan has the strongest economy now.

Are you sure dude? Show some info. on that.

A thought that just hit me, why doesn't JAPAN "outsource" their raw materials or manufacturings and what not? I don't get that, as strong and powerful as we are, we're "outsourcing" most of our jobs to these poor countries. But the japanese do the total opposite  ???
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Re: What's your annual salary?
« Reply #93 on: August 30, 2007, 10:02:16 PM »
is it 1989 where you are?

Yes.  I just finished taping Arsenio Hall because Dice Clay was on tonight.

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Re: What's your annual salary?
« Reply #94 on: August 30, 2007, 10:07:06 PM »
Yes.  I just finished taping Arsenio Hall because Dice Clay was on tonight.

buy some microsoft and apple stock . . . and make a note to buy google when they do their ipo.

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Re: What's your annual salary?
« Reply #95 on: August 30, 2007, 10:08:33 PM »
Right, I can tell by your language, spelling and grammar that you're a CTO, total executive material.
lol, and I can tell by your site that you've got no clue about the internet.  ::)

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Re: What's your annual salary?
« Reply #96 on: August 30, 2007, 10:15:28 PM »
base price for a pool with plaster bottom and anywhere from 3 to 9 feet in depth with no larger than 80 foot perimeter is 24 thousand. that comes with 300 square feet of salted concrete and your basic pumps/filtration sytem.    as to how you shape your 80 feet of perimeter...thats completely up to you. no difference in cost.

What state is that in?  Seems way cheap for Cali..  $50K for a pool here minimum.

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Re: What's your annual salary?
« Reply #97 on: August 31, 2007, 01:02:11 AM »
150k give or take.

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Re: What's your annual salary?
« Reply #98 on: August 31, 2007, 01:14:20 AM »
US$150-200K
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Re: What's your annual salary?
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