What did you guys think about the card tonight?(spoiler)

[danielson]

Rashad did pretty much what I thought he would do, play it safe and win. I did think he would dominate the fight, but he did just enough to win, I thought it could have went either way tbh. Kind of boring. Alexander got his ass handed to him. Herman looked ok. I was at a pretty large party and there was a lot of talking so I can't say I really payed too close attention to most of the fights. What do you guys think? Was it as bad as most of us thought it was going to be? I would have liked to see Bisping and Rashad go another round personally. I honestly can't see a rematch, no way they can sell another PPV with that headlining.

[Bluto]

Rashad did pretty much what I thought he would do, play it safe and win. I did think he would dominate the fight, but he did just enough to win, I thought it could have went either way tbh. Kind of boring. Alexander got his ass handed to him. Herman looked ok. I was at a pretty large party and there was a lot of talking so I can't say I really payed too close attention to most of the fights. What do you guys think? Was it as bad as most of us thought it was going to be? I would have liked to see Bisping and Rashad go another round personally. I honestly can't see a rematch, no way they can sell another PPV with that headlining.

i think the card pretty much sucked. rashad wasnt impressive. people been talking for weeks and weeks how he would kill bisping but bisping could've won that fight,  he fucked up. rashad is boring as hell, predictable. swing to the left and right then shoots for a takedown that can be seen from a mile... and when he gets it he aint able to do much on teh ground. no ko power standing up. bisping had a really good chance there if he would've been more aggressive. his gameplan is fucked up. i tend to remember first seeing bisping on the ultimate fighter show, someone being cocky and confident, being agressive and moving forward with a good variety of techniques mixing it up - hands, kicks, knees, even flying knees - well he doesnt' do shit. just looking scared and playing it safe, waiting for the other guy to do a mistake, maybe hope to get in a few hits here and there but it wont work because he ends up being taken down and losing score on that. kinda reminds me of arlovski. someone who SHOULD be able to lead the fight.

bisping did good avoiding the takedowns first, rashad spending a lot of energy on it, if he could've traded more and worked more actively in the clinch with knees etc he could've won that fight.

rashad got nothing. at least bisping is a non liked guy and brings that  i'd hate to see a re-match with tito and rashad going to the judges decision again. sigh.

ok what else

houston. i wasnt sure which one to pick here but i was leading towards houston and thought he's got the momentum now and is on a roll, and thiagos fight record, tho being 11-0 is bullshit. he fought a bunch of nobodies. but houston was horrible on the ground. are you shitting me? this is 2007 and he's like you go back to the early days of ufc and bring in a boxer and when he lands on his back it's all over, like a fish outta water.
i didnt think they had fighters that bad around these days! what the fuck has he been doing in practice? apparantely it's all conditioning, lifting weights and throwing bombs. and  i dont know what his gameplan was. he didnt come out ofhis corner guns blazing. he looked almost outta gas like he spent it all on the way to the ring... he didnt do much in the clinch, he's strong as a bull in there but didnt aggressively go for that type of clinch like for example anderson silva got. if he knew his groundgame was this bad then he should've gone all out. i think he would have a great opportunity against thiago because thiago is one of those macho guys that probably wouldnt have mind to try to stand and fight, he got his 9 outta 11 ko's record and probably believes it himself. i didnt see him aggressively and constantly going for a takedown attempt that you sometimes can see. houston shouldve fucked with his mind and went in "common man, you chicken? lets throw hands!" then he could've been the better of them, knocking him out.

parisayn is boring as hell. i dont know why some people think the world of that guy. he's gotta go. i dont care what his fight record looks like, i dont want to see him on a main card ever again. a judo throw every 3-4 fights dont do it for me.

edgar vs fisher - i guess a lot of people went wrong with this fight, nearly everyone thought fisher would take it. me included. good thing i dont put any money on this sport haha. edgar totally dominated fisher, it wasnt even funny. he was a dominating against fisher as anderson silva against franklin. one of these fights where theres absolutely nothing fisher can do not now, or anywhere in the future. fisher aint bad, and did pretty well, but edgar just got the better of him, being that bit stronger, faster, more aggressive, just MORE of everything. they could've thrown in the towel after the first round.

herman - doerksen this was teh last fight for me to pick, the toughest to pick. i dont know how close doersken was to finish herman but it looked like he was in a pretty good spot and he's an experienced guy. a good boxer with good takedown defense is gonna ko herman. herman swings to widely and sets himself up for a ko. i originally thought doersken did good standing up and might've been better off keeping the fight there... spent a lot of time energy trying to get herman to the ground and it didnt do much for him...


ufc better check themselves putting cards like that together... main fight ending in a split decision. paryisan fight ending in a decision. houston fight big disappointment. not the kind of throw down people were looking for. edgar spencer not being that close could-go-either-way type of fight people were expdcting...

[*ChuteBoxe*]

i think the card pretty much sucked. rashad wasnt impressive. people been talking for weeks and weeks how he would kill bisping but bisping could've won that fight,  he fucked up. rashad is boring as hell, predictable. swing to the left and right then shoots for a takedown that can be seen from a mile... and when he gets it he aint able to do much on teh ground. no ko power standing up. bisping had a really good chance there if he would've been more aggressive. his gameplan is fucked up. i tend to remember first seeing bisping on the ultimate fighter show, someone being cocky and confident, being agressive and moving forward with a good variety of techniques mixing it up - hands, kicks, knees, even flying knees - well he doesnt' do shit. just looking scared and playing it safe, waiting for the other guy to do a mistake, maybe hope to get in a few hits here and there but it wont work because he ends up being taken down and losing score on that. kinda reminds me of arlovski. someone who SHOULD be able to lead the fight.

bisping did good avoiding the takedowns first, rashad spending a lot of energy on it, if he could've traded more and worked more actively in the clinch with knees etc he could've won that fight.

rashad got nothing. at least bisping is a non liked guy and brings that  i'd hate to see a re-match with tito and rashad going to the judges decision again. sigh.

ok what else

houston. i wasnt sure which one to pick here but i was leading towards houston and thought he's got the momentum now and is on a roll, and thiagos fight record, tho being 11-0 is bullshit. he fought a bunch of nobodies. but houston was horrible on the ground. are you shitting me? this is 2007 and he's like you go back to the early days of ufc and bring in a boxer and when he lands on his back it's all over, like a fish outta water.
i didnt think they had fighters that bad around these days! what the fuck has he been doing in practice? apparantely it's all conditioning, lifting weights and throwing bombs. and  i dont know what his gameplan was. he didnt come out ofhis corner guns blazing. he looked almost outta gas like he spent it all on the way to the ring... he didnt do much in the clinch, he's strong as a bull in there but didnt aggressively go for that type of clinch like for example anderson silva got. if he knew his groundgame was this bad then he should've gone all out. i think he would have a great opportunity against thiago because thiago is one of those macho guys that probably wouldnt have mind to try to stand and fight, he got his 9 outta 11 ko's record and probably believes it himself. i didnt see him aggressively and constantly going for a takedown attempt that you sometimes can see. houston shouldve fucked with his mind and went in "common man, you chicken? lets throw hands!" then he could've been the better of them, knocking him out.

parisayn is boring as hell. i dont know why some people think the world of that guy. he's gotta go. i dont care what his fight record looks like, i dont want to see him on a main card ever again. a judo throw every 3-4 fights dont do it for me.

edgar vs fisher - i guess a lot of people went wrong with this fight, nearly everyone thought fisher would take it. me included. good thing i dont put any money on this sport haha. edgar totally dominated fisher, it wasnt even funny. he was a dominating against fisher as anderson silva against franklin. one of these fights where theres absolutely nothing fisher can do not now, or anywhere in the future. fisher aint bad, and did pretty well, but edgar just got the better of him, being that bit stronger, faster, more aggressive, just MORE of everything. they could've thrown in the towel after the first round.

herman - doerksen this was teh last fight for me to pick, the toughest to pick. i dont know how close doersken was to finish herman but it looked like he was in a pretty good spot and he's an experienced guy. a good boxer with good takedown defense is gonna ko herman. herman swings to widely and sets himself up for a ko. i originally thought doersken did good standing up and might've been better off keeping the fight there... spent a lot of time energy trying to get herman to the ground and it didnt do much for him...


ufc better check themselves putting cards like that together... main fight ending in a split decision. paryisan fight ending in a decision. houston fight big disappointment. not the kind of throw down people were looking for. edgar spencer not being that close could-go-either-way type of fight people were expdcting...

That was probably the worst attempt at breaking down a fight card ive ever read, seriously.

[Thin Lizzy]

The UFC wants to go the WWE route and put on PPVs every month. The only problem is that MMA fighters, unlike pro-wrestlers, can't perform once a month. So, you have the UFC putting on these talent-thin lackluster cards and expecting people to pay top dollar for them.

I agree w/ Bluto that the UFC needs to check itself and put on 3 or 4 excellent shows a year.

[smoothasf]

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[Bluto]

That was probably the worst attempt at breaking down a fight card ive ever read, seriously.

Just some views from the top of my head, is there something you disagree with? Let's hear it!

[Bluto]

The UFC wants to go the WWE route and put on PPVs every month. The only problem is that MMA fighters, unlike pro-wrestlers, can't perform once a month. So, you have the UFC putting on these talent-thin lackluster cards and expecting people to pay top dollar for them.

I agree w/ Bluto that the UFC needs to check itself and put on 3 or 4 excellent shows a year.

yeah i didnt pay for that card but i imagine people who did felt they didnt get their moneys worth.

should be good for the ufc 79 card though, zuffa can get by putting a few bad cards out if there's enough time between them so people forget  but they wont get away with 2 bad shows in a row

[Havenbull]

That was probably the worst attempt at breaking down a fight card ive ever read, seriously.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[*ChuteBoxe*]

i think the card pretty much sucked. rashad wasnt impressive. people been talking for weeks and weeks how he would kill bisping but bisping could've won that fight,  he fucked up. rashad is boring as hell, predictable. swing to the left and right then shoots for a takedown that can be seen from a mile... and when he gets it he aint able to do much on teh ground. no ko power standing up. bisping had a really good chance there if he would've been more aggressive. his gameplan is fucked up. i tend to remember first seeing bisping on the ultimate fighter show, someone being cocky and confident, being agressive and moving forward with a good variety of techniques mixing it up - hands, kicks, knees, even flying knees - well he doesnt' do shit. just looking scared and playing it safe, waiting for the other guy to do a mistake, maybe hope to get in a few hits here and there but it wont work because he ends up being taken down and losing score on that. kinda reminds me of arlovski. someone who SHOULD be able to lead the fight.

bisping did good avoiding the takedowns first, rashad spending a lot of energy on it, if he could've traded more and worked more actively in the clinch with knees etc he could've won that fight.

rashad got nothing. at least bisping is a non liked guy and brings that  i'd hate to see a re-match with tito and rashad going to the judges decision again. sigh.

ok what else

houston. i wasnt sure which one to pick here but i was leading towards houston and thought he's got the momentum now and is on a roll, and thiagos fight record, tho being 11-0 is bullshit. he fought a bunch of nobodies. but houston was horrible on the ground. are you shitting me? this is 2007 and he's like you go back to the early days of ufc and bring in a boxer and when he lands on his back it's all over, like a fish outta water.
i didnt think they had fighters that bad around these days! what the fuck has he been doing in practice? apparantely it's all conditioning, lifting weights and throwing bombs. and  i dont know what his gameplan was. he didnt come out ofhis corner guns blazing. he looked almost outta gas like he spent it all on the way to the ring... he didnt do much in the clinch, he's strong as a bull in there but didnt aggressively go for that type of clinch like for example anderson silva got. if he knew his groundgame was this bad then he should've gone all out. i think he would have a great opportunity against thiago because thiago is one of those macho guys that probably wouldnt have mind to try to stand and fight, he got his 9 outta 11 ko's record and probably believes it himself. i didnt see him aggressively and constantly going for a takedown attempt that you sometimes can see. houston shouldve fucked with his mind and went in "common man, you chicken? lets throw hands!" then he could've been the better of them, knocking him out.

parisayn is boring as hell. i dont know why some people think the world of that guy. he's gotta go. i dont care what his fight record looks like, i dont want to see him on a main card ever again. a judo throw every 3-4 fights dont do it for me.

edgar vs fisher - i guess a lot of people went wrong with this fight, nearly everyone thought fisher would take it. me included. good thing i dont put any money on this sport haha. edgar totally dominated fisher, it wasnt even funny. he was a dominating against fisher as anderson silva against franklin. one of these fights where theres absolutely nothing fisher can do not now, or anywhere in the future. fisher aint bad, and did pretty well, but edgar just got the better of him, being that bit stronger, faster, more aggressive, just MORE of everything. they could've thrown in the towel after the first round.

herman - doerksen this was teh last fight for me to pick, the toughest to pick. i dont know how close doersken was to finish herman but it looked like he was in a pretty good spot and he's an experienced guy. a good boxer with good takedown defense is gonna ko herman. herman swings to widely and sets himself up for a ko. i originally thought doersken did good standing up and might've been better off keeping the fight there... spent a lot of time energy trying to get herman to the ground and it didnt do much for him...

ufc better check themselves putting cards like that together... main fight ending in a split decision. paryisan fight ending in a decision. houston fight big disappointment. not the kind of throw down people were looking for. edgar spencer not being that close could-go-either-way type of fight people were expdcting...

Rashad has stronger hands than Bisping, if anybody lacks KO power it's Bisping, Bisping is an accumulation of strikes type fighter.  The reason Bisping wasn't aggressive and didn't move foward and didn't throw a variety of kicks and knees is because Rashad is a wrestler by base, and a pretty decent one at that, how smart would it be to come in charging and throwing?  For the answer to that question re-watch Fisher vs. Edgar.  

Thiago Silva is a legit fighter, Ive seen a few of his old fights and I knew enough to say he was going to be the upset of the night.  Sure, if you look up his record on sherdog it won't tell you that he has had slugfests with Ninja, Cyborg, Shogun and Wandy on an almost daily basis for the last couple years.  Houston did come out trying to chase down Silva, but he did the smart thing and used pretty decent side to side movement to avoid being bull charged, but he didn't just run he threw some strikes of his own.  The fact that you think Houston is capable of getting an Anderson Silva esque clinch on a guy from a camp that produced Anderson Silva is pretty funny.  You're last little piece of advice is just retarded, you're saying that Houston should have used the gameplan of saying " com mon man you chicken?"  and used that to win the fight by knockout?  Wow

I'm not a Parysian fan but as long as he keeps winning he will be on the televised part of cards, Chonan is coming down from 185lbs and is pretty durable against grapplers.  Karo is not a devastating puncher like Hendo or Baroni and Chonan's training with Soku and Team Quest helped too. It's not Karo's fault his opponent was decently prepared, he still won convincingly though.

Fisher lost that fight plain and simple,  Edgar's wrestling won him the fight, he just let Spencer come in and commit to a strike, then he would just duck under it and drive through for the takedown.  That's what it would have looked like if Bisping would have come out aggressively, But to say Edgar dominated, like Anderson Silva dominated Franklin is also pretty retarded.  If that was the case, Edgar would have won by brutal knockout after a few minutes.  Fisher did do a good job of avoiding strikes from the bottom with his forearm turtle defense.

Doerkson's stand-up is garbage, he got knocked out standing by Paulo Filho that sould tell you something.  This fight wasn't tough to pick at all.  Doerkson took the fight on short notice, his stand up sucks, and his last real win was in 2005.  

[Bluto]

The reason Bisping wasn't aggressive and didn't move foward and didn't throw a variety of kicks and knees is because Rashad is a wrestler by base, and a pretty decent one at that, how smart would it be to come in charging and throwing? 

Plenty of fighters with a wrestling background, that can't have you being passive and wait for things to happend when you're losing the fight. Bisping could've been a hell lot more active. Rashad looked pretty tired in the 2nd round, he had a good shot there.

  Houston did come out trying to chase down Silva, but he did the smart thing and used pretty decent side to side movement to avoid being bull charged, but he didn't just run he threw some strikes of his own.  The fact that you think Houston is capable of getting an Anderson Silva esque clinch on a guy from a camp that produced Anderson Silva is pretty funny.

You might wanna watch the fight again. Houson throws a jab then immediately goes for the clinch, Silva and Houston dance around in the clinch for a while, Silva hits him with a knee, Houston immediately respond with a knee on his own, Silva throws another knee and the ref breaks it up.

If he had no intentions to do any damage in the clinch, why go for it, he would've been better of keeping some distance. After the break up he hits Silva a few times in the face and Silva DESPERATELY seeks the clinch, now thats what is to be expected... not Houston giving him the clinch on his own.

I'm not a Parysian fan but as long as he keeps winning he will be on the televised part of cards, Chonan is coming down from 185lbs and is pretty durable against grapplers.  Karo is not a devastating puncher like Hendo or Baroni and Chonan's training with Soku and Team Quest helped too. It's not Karo's fault his opponent was decently prepared, he still won convincingly though.

Nobody cares if he's winning. He's boring. Fight of the night and submission of the night fights - neither was aired.

But to say Edgar dominated, like Anderson Silva dominated Franklin is also pretty retarded.  If that was the case, Edgar would have won by brutal knockout after a few minutes. 

Well he obviously didnt win the way Anderson did, but the point is he was as superior, as dominating. Meaning there wasn't a single thing Fisher could've done to win that fight.

  This fight wasn't tough to pick at all.  Doerkson took the fight on short notice, his stand up sucks, and his last real win was in 2005. 

It's not like Herman got a shitload of 'real wins' either. And Doerkson was pretty close to repeat what he did to Herman before - submitting him. And that was Hermans first KO ever.

[*ChuteBoxe*]

Plenty of fighters with a wrestling background, that can't have you being passive and wait for things to happend when you're losing the fight. Bisping could've been a hell lot more active. Rashad looked pretty tired in the 2nd round, he had a good shot there.

You might wanna watch the fight again. Houson throws a jab then immediately goes for the clinch, Silva and Houston dance around in the clinch for a while, Silva hits him with a knee, Houston immediately respond with a knee on his own, Silva throws another knee and the ref breaks it up.

If he had no intentions to do any damage in the clinch, why go for it, he would've been better of keeping some distance. After the break up he hits Silva a few times in the face and Silva DESPERATELY seeks the clinch, now thats what is to be expected... not Houston giving him the clinch on his own.

Nobody cares if he's winning. He's boring. Fight of the night and submission of the night fights - neither was aired.

Well he obviously didnt win the way Anderson did, but the point is he was as superior, as dominating. Meaning there wasn't a single thing Fisher could've done to win that fight.

It's not like Herman got a shitload of 'real wins' either. And Doerkson was pretty close to repeat what he did to Herman before - submitting him. And that was Hermans first KO ever.

Rashad always looks tired after the first round, he is still capable of dropping people, and taking them down even if he looks tired, he looks like that in almost every fight.  Like I said Spencer Fisher was losing the fight and he knew it, he still came foward aggressively throwng kicks punches and knees and got taken down at will for his efforts.  That's pretty much what wouldve happened to mikey boy.
As for Silva/Houston the first clinch in which you're referring too that was broken up went like this.  Houston jabbed rushed in for the clinch, ref broke it up, Silva threw a knee then a left hook over the top that clipped Houston and kinda made tilted him off balance, Silva then started moving to his left pumped the jab, kept moving, then he landed an inside leg kick, kept moving some more, all the while Alexander is walking him down waiting for another chance to barrell in, he finally tries and ate a push kick for his efforts, then Alexander rushed in again and Silva got the final clinch and landed a pretty good knee to the body before Alexander took him down.  You said Silva was desperately trying to get the clinch, it was either that or be trapped against the fence and end up like Sakara and Jardine, cage generalship by Silva if you ask me.  Alexander had no success from the outside in this fight nor in his last two ufc fights, that's how Keith caught him with the left hook the last time.  Karo is one of Dana's butt buddies as long as he keep s winning he will be televised whether you like it or not.  As for Ed Herman, if that was his first KO ever that should tell you something about Joe Doerkson and his stand up, and there is no such thing as almost in the fight game.

[ChinoXL]

What say the 'top of the food chain' now?   

[Bluto]

- Rashad was nowhere as good and dominant as pretty much everybody on here (except me) claimed all those weeks leading up to the fight. Bisping had a good chance at winning that one, if he would've done more. Even with the little he did, it still went to a split decision. That's saying something.

- Houston lost because of his own mistakes, not because of Silvas superiority.

- The win over Fisher was one of the most dominating victories I've seen all year.

[Bluto]

" I pity the next guy I fight because I will be going out there with much more aggression now and finish him off in the first one or two rounds…. "

UFC light heavyweight Michael Bisping reflects on the first loss in his professional mixed martial arts career to Rashad Evans at UFC 78: “Validation” this past weekend. He looks forward to rebounding and making another run at the title. To do that he might have to first rematch Matt Hamill, which according to this article could happen sometime in April 2008.

[*ChuteBoxe*]

- Rashad was nowhere as good and dominant as pretty much everybody on here (except me) claimed all those weeks leading up to the fight. Bisping had a good chance at winning that one, if he would've done more. Even with the little he did, it still went to a split decision. That's saying something.

- Houston lost because of his own mistakes, not because of Silvas superiority.

- The win over Fisher was one of the most dominating victories I've seen all year.

Aren't you the guy that went as far as to say Bisping would KO Rashad with a flying knee in the second round?  You were wrong, quit tryin to give yourself credit for something that didn't happen.  Bisping lost this fight and there is no such thing as an "almost" win in MMA, his "O" went just like I said it would.  Houston lost because he fought somebody that just so happen to be strong in the clinch too, that's why Houston couldn't capitalize in a place that he had in his last two fights, that's why he went for the takedown, because Silva had ahold of the back of his neck and actually landed a pretty good knee to the solar plexus, it was right after that, that the takedown happened.

[Bluto]

Aren't you the guy that went as far as to say Bisping would KO Rashad with a flying knee in the second round?  You were wrong, quit tryin to give yourself credit for something that didn't happen.  Bisping lost this fight and there is no such thing as an "almost" win in MMA, his "O" went just like I said it would.  Houston lost because he fought somebody that just so happen to be strong in the clinch too, that's why Houston couldn't capitalize in a place that he had in his last two fights, that's why he went for the takedown, because Silva had ahold of the back of his neck and actually landed a pretty good knee to the solar plexus, it was right after that, that the takedown happened.

of course, but this is the internet in case you havent noticed, its not meant to take everything seriously, might keep that in mind next time someone predicts a win by flying armbar!
yup bisping didnt win. i took a chance, i usually do unless you haven't noticed, usually ends up costing me 2-3 points (if i played it safe like most people i'd be up to 50-60% per fight as well) but hey, it's just good fun, if i were serious i would bet some $$$ on it.
but the fact is, people were thinking the world of rashad, and said bisping would be killed. didnt happen. and bisping clearly had a chance in that fight.

as i said, houston lost because of houston. silva was average at best - and has been in pretty much very fight leading up to this. and no daily sparring at chuteboxe with the beasts there that eat children for breakfast is gonna change that fact.
silva was lucky houston didnt bring it, he might've got KOED! 

[*ChuteBoxe*]

of course, but this is the internet in case you havent noticed, its not meant to take everything seriously, might keep that in mind next time someone predicts a win by flying armbar!
yup bisping didnt win. i took a chance, i usually do unless you haven't noticed, usually ends up costing me 2-3 points (if i played it safe like most people i'd be up to 50-60% per fight as well) but hey, it's just good fun, if i were serious i would bet some $$$ on it.
but the fact is, people were thinking the world of rashad, and said bisping would be killed. didnt happen. and bisping clearly had a chance in that fight.

as i said, houston lost because of houston. silva was average at best - and has been in pretty much very fight leading up to this. and no daily sparring at chuteboxe with the beasts there that eat children for breakfast is gonna change that fact.
silva was lucky houston didnt bring it, he might've got KOED! 

There is a saying in boxing that goes........"you shouldn't hook with a hooker",  Alexander tried to clinch with a clincher and got nowhere.  I'm not saying Silva is the best fighter at 205, I just said all along, his strengths would nullify Houston's, and they did.  Houston was overhyped, and was exposed. 

[20inch calves]

bisping hung in there. he was truely in that fight. i think if he continues to improve and fight like he did saturday he may actually turn out to be a good fighter. rashad is garbage. every fight when he gets to the 2nd round he acts like he has fought 10 rounds. its only a matter of time before someone knocks him out.