Author Topic: Humalog exp date (Read 2032 times)

jtsunami · « **on:** January 08, 2008, 04:28:46 PM »

Ok I have som humalog, going to use instead of humalin-r that I have. It exp is 09, I have a couple vials, so if I keep them in my fridge they will be ok to use till 09 as long as they are in fridge? Just making sure they don't loose potency?

jt

Iraclese · « **Reply #1 on:** January 08, 2008, 05:02:25 PM »

You shouldn't screw around with something that can kill you.

jtsunami · « **Reply #2 on:** January 08, 2008, 05:21:54 PM »

stop driving your car then, that can kill you too

RDW · « **Reply #3 on:** January 08, 2008, 06:30:46 PM »

Yes, it's fine if you keep it in the fridge (you should always keep insulin in the fridge even though it can last about 30 days at room temp). Humalog is about 50% faster acting than Humalin-R so make sure you are on top of things, if you did the accidental 70IU or whatever it was with Humalog you would be dead. Also, wipe the vial lids with alcohol pads (like you should do with all gear) but with all the organic material in your fridge and the circulation bacteria can build up quickly, so always wipe them down.

jtsunami · « **Reply #4 on:** January 08, 2008, 06:34:19 PM »

RDW,

Thx man, a lot of helpful info you helped me with there.

jt

jtsunami · « **Reply #5 on:** January 09, 2008, 08:53:49 AM »

Also the humlog I have is from Istanbul I beleive, it looks fine, but is their anyway I can check it authenticity?

trab · « **Reply #6 on:** January 09, 2008, 09:43:36 AM »

I know there are a lot of diff insulins out there in the world, and some are mix of long and short act.
Make sure you know what it is.

jtsunami · « **Reply #7 on:** January 09, 2008, 09:45:31 AM »

It is the short acting, but has no NDC number on it like my humalin r from pharmacy has, I will just throw it away and go with the one I know is real

trab · « **Reply #8 on:** January 09, 2008, 09:48:38 AM »

Aint it all OTC

RDW · « **Reply #9 on:** January 09, 2008, 11:33:38 AM »

Humalog is a registered trademark of Eli Lilly, there is also only one type of Humalog, it is the fast(est) acting. It is the only type of insulin that requires a prescription in the US (because it use the mose abused and is the most dangerous). However, you can buy it online legally from Canadian pharmacies without a Rx.

jtsunami · « **Reply #10 on:** January 09, 2008, 01:41:25 PM »

Does Humalog work any better than Humalin-r as in will it give you more muscle gain or recovery than humalin-r? How else does it get abused by people?

trab · « **Reply #11 on:** January 09, 2008, 02:04:00 PM »

I think its abuse popularity stems from its a matter of control, because its over and done with so fast.
(But remember, your breathing can be over and done w/ fast also, life come w/ but one guarentee - Death)

I also think for contest prep they dont want teh HGH and insulin overlapping, so rapid clearance is a pluss then. This is somthing Ive read, no clue if its correct. Interest to hear coments.

Now Dont go die on us just yet,and carefull in your car too.....

Vet · « **Reply #12 on:** January 09, 2008, 02:33:20 PM »

Quote from: jtsunami on January 09, 2008, 08:53:49 AM

Also the humlog I have is from Istanbul I beleive, it looks fine, but is their anyway I can check it authenticity?

Humalog insulin is a brand name for Insulin Lispor Injection (rDNA origin)---meaning that company is the only one with the yeast fermentation vats to make it. Its only manufactured in the US by Hospira Inc in Illinois for Eli Lilly and Company. Its manufactured in Turkey and marketed under the same name.

Heres a thought on proving if its real or not take 150 units at one time. If you don't die, its not real.

Seriously, Insulin of all types, especially humalog has a distinct odor.

Also, its only good for 28 days after the bottle is open. This is listed in the package handout. I've noticed a decreased effect from Humalog after that time. Its effectiveness in my experience drops surprisingly fast.

jtsunami · « **Reply #13 on:** January 09, 2008, 03:03:02 PM »

Ok cool so hopefully it was real, their was no NDC number on it though so I was worried and didn't want to mess with it since I compared it to the bottle I got in US of Humalin-R and saw different security things diff and the labeling was diff from it. I will stick with humalin-r cause I have used it for the past week and feel comfortable using it. What are the advantages of Humalog though, I know it wears off faster, but would it give better recovery or no compared to Humalin-R?

jt

Vet · « **Reply #14 on:** January 09, 2008, 03:30:08 PM »

Quote from: jtsunami on January 09, 2008, 03:03:02 PM

Ok cool so hopefully it was real, their was no NDC number on it though so I was worried and didn't want to mess with it since I compared it to the bottle I got in US of Humalin-R and saw different security things diff and the labeling was diff from it. I will stick with humalin-r cause I have used it for the past week and feel comfortable using it. What are the advantages of Humalog though, I know it wears off faster, but would it give better recovery or no compared to Humalin-R?

jt

Its a much more rapid onset of activity, so as a nondiabetic taking it, it'll kill you in 15 minutes rather than 30. http://biomed.brown.edu/Courses/BI108/BI108_2003_Groups/Diabetes_Technology/comparison.htm

I've got a question for you: are you taking just carbs or are you taking a protein source with it?

jtsunami · « **Reply #15 on:** January 09, 2008, 03:33:33 PM »

, im taking carbs and about 10g protein 1 - 5 min after shot then meal 1 hr later

thx for the info above vet

Vet · « **Reply #16 on:** January 09, 2008, 03:38:28 PM »

Quote from: trab on January 09, 2008, 09:48:38 AM

Aint it all OTC

No. Most of the newer types of insulin (Humalog, novalog, Lantis and Levemir) are all prescription. My understanding is this has come about for a few reasons 1) cost of production to consumers----insurance will cover RX only drugs much more readily than insulins like Humulin R (I've been through this battle with an insurance company) 2) competiton between insulin manufacturers and the profit margin--if its RX only, they can charge more than "over the counter" 3) Idiots who take it without a doctors guidance.

I've been told by my endocrinologist that from his understanding the only thing keeping insulin from becoming DEA schedule is the prevelance of diabetes in the US. I don't know if thats true, but it kind of makes sense.

Vet · « **Reply #17 on:** January 09, 2008, 03:40:09 PM »

Quote from: jtsunami on January 09, 2008, 03:33:33 PM

, im taking carbs and about 10g protein 1 - 5 min after shot then meal 1 hr later

thx for the info above vet

You know, i still think you are an idiot playing with insulin, but thats a whole other issue.

Something for you to think about. Why are you taking insulin again?

And I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm asking because of some thoughts I've got on this whole using insulin craze (and if you ask me its crazy) and how its being used. From your post I think you are doing what I'm thinking is wrong.

jtsunami · « **Reply #18 on:** January 09, 2008, 06:38:22 PM »

Mainly for recovery and muscle gain, I would like to use it instead of running steroids cycle anymore, cause I don't like the acne that comes with them, right now I am coming off a cycle, but would like to try 1 month on 1 month off insulin cycles instead of the steroid cycles. I don't know I'll prolly take the plung again into aas but right now I don't want to do it.

jt

Vet · « **Reply #19 on:** January 09, 2008, 11:06:00 PM »

Quote from: jtsunami on January 09, 2008, 06:38:22 PM

Mainly for recovery and muscle gain, I would like to use it instead of running steroids cycle anymore, cause I don't like the acne that comes with them, right now I am coming off a cycle, but would like to try 1 month on 1 month off insulin cycles instead of the steroid cycles. I don't know I'll prolly take the plung again into aas but right now I don't want to do it.

jt

OK, if you are taking it for recovery WHY THE HELL ARE YOU ONLY TAKING ONLY 10GRAMS OF PROTEIN WITH IT

?? (sorry for the emphasis, but I really think its necessary if you are trying to play armchair endocrinolgist)

Think about it....Insulin's primary function is blood glucose metabolism. One of its "secondary" anabolic properties is to increase of DNA replication and protein synthesis via control of amino acid uptake. Insulin will increase amino acid uptake within muscles so why not provide an abundance of amino acids? This means taking a protein source at a time that allows maximum uptake---which considering digestability of some protein sources may even need to be before you take the injection, but thats another discussion.

The bottom line is its not going to do shit anabolicly if you aren't providing the fuel the body needs. These internet recommendations of taking an ultrashort acting insulin like Humalog and then taking simple carbs without a protein source or a relatively small amount of protein really don't make that much sense if you think of it. All you are doing is yo-yoing your body as your blood glucose goes up and down----if the body doesn't just negate the exogenous insulin effects by decreasing endogenous insulin and secreting catabolic hormones if blood glucose levels drop below threshold.

Now all of that said, you do need to remember that as your blood glucose drops, your body is going try to maintain homeostasis by secreting catabolic hormones such as cortisol and catacholamines because the ultimate goal is maintaining stable blood glucose levels to give the brain the fuel it needs.

Insulin also isn't going to distinguish between fat cells and muscle cells . Like I asked before, did you think to measure your bodyfat levels before you started down this pathway? I think it'd be really interesting to see what happens with your bodyfat considering the effects of insulin.

Vet · « **Reply #20 on:** January 09, 2008, 11:09:13 PM »

Quote from: RDW on January 09, 2008, 11:33:38 AM

Humalog is a registered trademark of Eli Lilly, there is also only one type of Humalog, it is the fast(est) acting. It is the only type of insulin that requires a prescription in the US (because it use the mose abused and is the most dangerous). However, you can buy it online legally from Canadian pharmacies without a Rx.

No its not the only RX only insulin. Novolog, Humalog (both "ultrashort" acting), Levamir, and Lantis (both "basal/ultralong acting") are all labeled RX only in the US. I don't know what they are labeled in Canada.

jtsunami · « **Reply #21 on:** January 10, 2008, 12:20:41 PM »

Hmm Vet thanks for the info great info. I have always read to just have sugar carbs after injection and had the protein cause I had a little snack usually before workout that included protein. I would then have like 80 g of protein in my post workout meal and hour after injection.

I am interested in your recommendation about taking in more protein with the carbs prior to workout?

I will try this today, have a chicken breast, and have my carbs after injection, well I usually eat before injection so the food has time to get thru me maybe 5 minuntes before injection.

I haven't measured my bodyfat, even though the only thing I have done is the insulin, I feel fuller a lot of the time, might just be my diet too, who knows and I don't know either.

abc123 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 12, 2008, 06:09:40 PM »

Quote from: RDW on January 09, 2008, 11:33:38 AM

Humalog is a registered trademark of Eli Lilly, there is also only one type of Humalog, it is the fast(est) acting. It is the only type of insulin that requires a prescription in the US (because it use the mose abused and is the most dangerous). However, you can buy it online legally from Canadian pharmacies without a Rx.

Just to clarify, you can order it online from any canadian pharmacy without a Rx and it's legal to ship to the US?