who on getbig train the hardest?

[MisterMagoo]

the 545 squat is when he managed to get out of the sofa.

what really confuses me is that WJ_Harley was in timeout. so someone gives dave the password to the account and suddenly it's let out again? peculiar.

[Bluto]

As someone who has trained for 4 decades including side-by-side with a top-3 Universe placer when i was a teen, i can say without hesitation that slave knows his shit. Bluto on the other hand is getbig's no. 1 troll, always contributes the absolute minimum EXCEPT when it comes to negativity and trolling. No evidence that bluto has any type of intensity other than pounding those keys 24-7 lol


Hope this helps.

good. that means ill debating you at the same time as im debating him. so when i win i crush you both since youre in 100 percent agreement.

thatll save some time. killing two birds with one stone.

[slaveboy1980]

but you only know one law that you call fundamental which you say is progressively adding resistance to the bar when in reality there's a number of ways including no of reps, sets, rest and times it take to complete a rep.

and if thats not all, it's also up to debate if progress can be made without ANY of the above (including weight increase)

as for dorian, seeing is believing. ive yet to see him use any fractional plates or otherwise put more weight on the bar from one week to the next. and nobody else either in no video EVER of ANY bodybuilder. and i have 100+ gigs of videos.

totally absurd post bluto, filled with holes like swiss cheese.

progressive strength increases is the most important aspect..but i never claimed its the only factor. obviously you cant read.

who said anything about fractional plates? your expanding the argument.

you have 100+ gigs of videos? talk about self ownage. these guys are drug addicts and are using higher dosages to drive poundages up. you cant fully compare a drug user to a natural.

[slaveboy1980]

good. that means ill debating you at the same time as im debating him. so when i win i crush you both since youre in 100 percent agreement.

thatll save some time. killing two birds with one stone.

i have no need to argue or battle with you, you sound like your 11 years old. 

 in the training forum, i answer specific questions. nobody is forced to take my advice.

but your welcome to try. i can go toe to toe with anyone on getbig.

[Bluto]

totally absurd post bluto, filled with holes like swiss cheese.

progressive strength increases is the most important aspect..but i never claimed its the only factor. obviously you cant read.

who said anything about fractional plates? your expanding the argument.

you have 100+ gigs of videos? talk about self ownage. these guys are drug addicts and are using higher dosages to drive poundages up. you cant fully compare a drug user to a natural.

#1 - you have numerous times saids its the ONLY way.
#2 - you now change your argument that it's only valid for NATURAL bodybuilders.

epic backpedaling.

[Bluto]

i have no need to argue or battle with you, you sound like your 11 years old. 

 in the training forum, i answer specific questions. nobody is forced to take my advice.

but your welcome to try. i can go toe to toe with anyone on getbig.

apparantely you cant as you say "i have no need to argue" and go back on things you said as soon as the debate gets heated.

then you lay low for a week. and start posting again how "you need to increase weight to grow" in post after post.

[slaveboy1980]

#1 - you have numerous times saids its the ONLY way.
#2 - you now change your argument that it's only valid for NATURAL bodybuilders.

epic backpedaling.

only thing that is happening is that you cant read. you cant stand someone giving better advice than you or knowing more than you. so you make stuff up.

its not only valid for natural bodybuilders....but a drug users can change the rules somewhat. and i havent said its the only way. its the most important driver for growth. but aspects such as TUT, metabolic fatigue etc do also play a role

[OTHstrong]

Progressive training is key to bodybuiding growth, I have to agree with slaveboy on this one. There was a time when I was 130 and my max was 145- no joke, Now 250 and I've pushed 515 for a double, maybe its just coincidence, however a stronger muscle doesn't always mean a bigger muscle. 900 pounds is a hardcore lift may not be a hard workout but on the way to 900 I can imagine the man has had brutal workouts. And as far as resting little between sets as high intensity, many people may consider this hardcore, but personally I think its a stupid and slow way of putting on muscle, save the circuit bullshitt for the fitness girls.

This is my 2 cents

[slaveboy1980]

apparantely you cant as you say "i have no need to argue" and go back on things you said as soon as the debate gets heated.

then you lay low for a week. and start posting again how "you need to increase weight to grow" in post after post.

not everyone can post 24/7 on getbig like you do.

and i mostly talk about training questions in the training forum and thats in regard to direct questions.

your not debating anything in reality just made up vague statements to vent your inner frustrations.

[SHUTUPANDTRAIN]

Shouldn't the question be who on here trains...period???

[Bluto]

only thing that is happening is that you cant read. you cant stand someone giving better advice than you or knowing more than you. so you make stuff up.

its not only valid for natural bodybuilders....but a drug users can change the rules somewhat. and i havent said its the only way. its the most important driver for growth. but aspects such as TUT, metabolic fatigue etc do also play a role

i can read. and you constantly talks about progressive adding weight is the way. when in reality there's a shitload of stuff you can do. you give very basic limited advice from your basic limited mind. you recommend 3 days a week, why not 6? you recommend 5-8 reps why not 10-12 ? are you saying ronnie should train fewer reps and fewer times a week to grow better? or is this another of your "he's not natural" that you add when confronted? (as when you used dorian yourself as an example of "need of progressively lifting heavier weights" apparantely the "only valid for a natural" went straight out the window then huh?

you have a closed mind.

[Bluto]

Shouldn't the question be who on here trains...period???

yes only you train.

apparantely going to the gym is a very big deal, like going to the moon only very few can do it.

[slaveboy1980]

i can read. and you constantly talks about progressive adding weight is the way. when in reality there's a shitload of stuff you can do. you give very basic limited advice from your basic limited mind. you recommend 3 days a week, why not 6? you recommend 5-8 reps why not 10-12 ? are you saying ronnie should train fewer reps and fewer times a week to grow better? or is this another of your "he's not natural" that you add when confronted? (as when you used dorian yourself as an example of "need of progressively lifting heavier weights" apparantely the "only valid for a natural" went straight out the window then huh?

you have a closed mind.

no its you who have a very closed mind. if someone asks advice you cant write a complete book, you have to limit your advice to the most important aspects.

its impossible to explain everything in a singel post when someone is asking a question.

why do you keep mentioning ronnie and dorian etc? these guys are poor examples, and yes if these guys want to get bigger its important for them to get stronger...not as important as for a natural but still very important. why not as important?  answer is drugs.

[Kwon]

Zone Capone trains hardest by far.

"Hope this helps"

[slaveboy1980]

Zone Capone trains hardest by far.

"Hope this helps"

sure didnt help him 

[Bluto]

no its you who have a very closed mind. if someone asks advice you cant write a complete book, you have to limit your advice to the most important aspects.

its impossible to explain everything in a singel post when someone is asking a question.

why do you keep mentioning ronnie and dorian etc? these guys are poor examples, and yes if these guys want to get bigger its important for them to get stronger...not as important as for a natural but still very important. why not as important?  answer is drugs.

i got a closed mind? how is that?

youre the one that think you know everything. and preach your gospel of the only way to get results is to increase weight. and when someone mentions other methods you say "all drugs"

youre full of yourself. and youre full of shit.

[slaveboy1980]

i got a closed mind? how is that?

youre the one that think you know everything. and preach your gospel of the only way to get results is to increase weight. and when someone mentions other methods you say "all drugs"

youre full of yourself. and youre full of shit.

how?
because you fail to realize that when you give advice you start with the basics. you dont focus on a tiny part that accounts for maybe 3% of the overall picture.
and because you obviously cant stand other people giving real advice. why dont you go to the training board and ask people if my advice are shit

your not debating any specifics just general accusations which proves your empty. an empty and insecure individual who needs to start a thread everytime you have to make a simple decision or whenever you feeling alittle bit unsure of something you did.   you cant hide from slaveboy. like i said i can read you like a book.

[candidizzle]

i got a closed mind? how is that?

youre the one that think you know everything. and preach your gospel of the only way to get results is to increase weight. and when someone mentions other methods you say "all drugs"

youre full of yourself. and youre full of shit.

good point bluto

[Ursus]

train smart not hard.

[MisterMagoo]

train smart not hard.

that's all i'm saying, and that pegg is VERY good at this. i'm sure if he felt like it he could stay in the gym for six hours squatting his balls out every day. but he doesn't, and his 900 pound cake-easy squat is proof positive that "harder" does not equal "better".

people need to quit equating absolute effort with efficacy and worthiness as a trainer. if you can grow more doing six sets than 12, why do 12? because it'll make you look more "hardcore"? bah.

[Bluto]

because you fail to realize that when you give advice you start with the basics. you dont focus on a tiny part that accounts for maybe 3% of the overall picture.
and because you obviously cant stand other people giving real advice. why dont you go to the training board and ask people if my advice are shit

not talking about advice especially but you in general come into the thread and preach your gospel and since you already know everythign you dont listen to others even though they have much more real life experience than you. thats where the closed mind comes in. you think you know everything already.
and of course i can stand other people giving advice? why wouldnt i? unless someone is giving out advice that i think is downright wrong (and possibly dangerous) im cool with it for the most part.

your not debating any specifics just general accusations which proves your empty. an empty and insecure individual who needs to start a thread everytime you have to make a simple decision or whenever you feeling alittle bit unsure of something you did.   you cant hide from slaveboy. like i said i can read you like a book.

no idea what youre on about here. and i doubt you could explain it either so i guess its the drugs talking. or your little internet-persona when you try to sound intelligent and philosophical. 

or both.

[Bluto]

that's all i'm saying, and that pegg is VERY good at this. i'm sure if he felt like it he could stay in the gym for six hours squatting his balls out every day. but he doesn't, and his 900 pound cake-easy squat is proof positive that "harder" does not equal "better".

people need to quit equating absolute effort with efficacy and worthiness as a trainer. if you can grow more doing six sets than 12, why do 12? because it'll make you look more "hardcore"? bah.

if you can grow more doing 12 sets than 6 why do 6 ?

if you can grow more training 6 times a week than 3 why train 3 times ?

but of course you cant.

because you need to "keep it simple stupid" 

[candidizzle]

if you can grow more doing 12 sets than 6 why do 6 ?

if you can grow more training 6 times a week than 3 why train 3 times ?

but of course you cant.

because you need to "keep it simple stupid" 

ahah ! bluto laying down some ownage !

[MisterMagoo]

if you can grow more doing 12 sets than 6 why do 6 ?

if you can grow more training 6 times a week than 3 why train 3 times ?

but of course you cant.

because you need to "keep it simple stupid" 

it's a good thing i have a profound appreciation for your trolling skills, otherwise this post might actually bother me. 

[Ursus]

that's all i'm saying, and that pegg is VERY good at this. i'm sure if he felt like it he could stay in the gym for six hours squatting his balls out every day. but he doesn't, and his 900 pound cake-easy squat is proof positive that "harder" does not equal "better".

people need to quit equating absolute effort with efficacy and worthiness as a trainer. if you can grow more doing six sets than 12, why do 12? because it'll make you look more "hardcore"? bah.

i agree most days on my major exercises each rep is so so easy.

keep it as easy as you can for as long as you can. you always have 50lbs more in the tank that way.

harder does not equal better. people dont understand this. and people get angry when you try to explain it to them. I wa stold by my mate who trains me think of it like a long jump. people stand at the tine and bash and crash their way through...getting to a level or standard of some degree of course.

myself i take a big long run up gather speed...and 9 times outta 10 i get further.