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Iran test-fires 9 missiles in Persian Gulf
« on: July 09, 2008, 07:41:09 AM »
Iran test-fires missiles in Persian Gulf By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer
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TEHRAN, Iran - Iran test-fired nine long- and medium-range missiles Wednesday during war games that officials said aimed to show the country can retaliate against any U.S. and Israeli attack, state television reported.

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Gen. Hossein Salami, the air force commander of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards, said the exercise would "demonstrate our resolve and might against enemies who in recent weeks have threatened Iran with harsh language," the TV report said.

Wednesday's war games were being conducted at the mouth of the Strait of Hormuz, a strategic waterway through which about 40 percent of the world's oil passes. Iran has threatened to shut down traffic in the strait if attacked.

The report showed footage of at least three missiles firing simultaneously, and said the barrage included a new version of the Shahab-3 missile, which officials have said has a range of 1,250 miles and is armed with a 1-ton conventional warhead.

That would put Israel, Turkey, the Arabian peninsula, Afghanistan and Pakistan within striking distance.

"Our hands are always on the trigger and our missiles are ready for launch," the official IRNA news agency quoted Salami as saying Wednesday.

The report comes less than a day after Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad dismissed fears that Israel and the United States could be preparing to attack his country, calling the possibility a "funny joke."

"I assure you that there won't be any war in the future," Ahmadinejad told a news conference Tuesday during a visit to Malaysia for a summit of developing Muslim nations.

But even as Ahmadinejad and other Iranian officials have dismissed the possibility of attack, Tehran has stepped up its warnings of retaliation if the Americans — or Israelis — do launch military action, including threats to hit Israel and U.S. Gulf bases with missiles and stop oil traffic through the vital Gulf region.

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice called Wednesday's tests "evidence that the missile threat is not an imaginary one."

"Those who say that there is no Iranian missile threat against which we should build a missile defense system perhaps ought to talk to the Iranians about their claims," Rice said while traveling in Sofia, Bulgaria.

A White House spokesman called the tests "completely inconsistent with Iran's obligations to the world."

"The Iranian regime only furthers the isolation of the Iranian people from the international community when it engages in this sort of activity," said Gordon Johndroe, spokesman for the National Security Council.

"They should also refrain from further missile tests if they truly seek to gain the trust of the world," he added, speaking from Japan where President Bush is attending the Group of Eight summit.

In late June, Vice Adm. Kevin Cosgriff, who was then the commander of the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet, said any attempt by Iran to seal off the Strait of Hormuz would be viewed as an act of war. The U.S. 5th Fleet is based in Bahrain, across the Gulf from Iran.

Israel's military sent warplanes over the eastern Mediterranean for a large military exercise in June that U.S. officials described as a possible rehearsal for a strike on Iran's nuclear facilities, which the West fears are aimed at producing atomic weapons.

Iran says its nuclear program is geared only toward generating electricity, not weapons.

The Israeli exercise was widely interpreted as a show of force as well as a practice on skills needed to execute a long-range strike mission.

Shaul Mofaz, an Israeli Cabinet minister, set off an international uproar last month by saying in a published interview that Israel would have "no choice" but to attack Iran if it doesn't halt its nuclear program. Mofaz is a former military chief and defense minister, and has been Israel's representative in a strategic dialogue on Iran with U.S. officials.

On Wednesday, Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev said Israel "does not desire hostility and conflict with Iran."

"But it is clear that the Iranian nuclear program and the Iranian ballistic missile program is a matter of grave concern," Regev said.

The Guards and Iran's regular army routinely hold exercises two or three times a year.


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Re: Iran test-fires 9 missiles in Persian Gulf
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2008, 07:43:01 AM »
Obama on Iran



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Re: Iran test-fires 9 missiles in Persian Gulf
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2008, 09:06:50 AM »
BUT Rice says the world is safer!!!!!!!



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Re: Iran test-fires 9 missiles in Persian Gulf
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2008, 09:10:21 AM »
When North Korea fired missiles at hawaii on July 4th (and set off a nuke), Bush paid them off with a million barrels of oil to stop.

Maybe Iran witnessed our appeasement with NK, and thought we'd do the same with them?

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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2008, 09:14:49 AM »
When North Korea fired missiles at hawaii on July 4th (and set off a nuke), Bush paid them off with a million barrels of oil to stop.

Maybe Iran witnessed our appeasement with NK, and thought we'd do the same with them?

i dunno brother but i don't think they need the oil

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Re: Iran test-fires 9 missiles in Persian Gulf
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2008, 09:18:10 AM »
When North Korea fired missiles at hawaii on July 4th (and set off a nuke), Bush paid them off with a million barrels of oil to stop.

Maybe Iran witnessed our appeasement with NK, and thought we'd do the same with them?

Yes, but BUSh made it harder for them so the WORLD IS SAFER!



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Re: Iran test-fires 9 missiles in Persian Gulf
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2008, 09:40:05 AM »
Yes, but BUSh made it harder for them so the WORLD IS SAFER!



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Re: Iran test-fires 9 missiles in Persian Gulf
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2008, 09:41:25 AM »
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2008, 10:10:24 AM »
uh oh looks like some legit arguments came up to defend Iran, lol

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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2008, 10:13:55 AM »
uh oh looks like some legit arguments came up to defend Iran, lol

no one is defending them.  They deserve to be hit.  BUT the consequences to hitting them right now would be very very bad on our good life here.

Hell, there are dozens of leaders worldwide who could use a good spanking.  It's not realistic for us to do it.

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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2008, 10:29:05 AM »
no one is defending them.  They deserve to be hit.  BUT the consequences to hitting them right now would be very very bad on our good life here.

Hell, there are dozens of leaders worldwide who could use a good spanking.  It's not realistic for us to do it.
agreed but realistically who else would do it?

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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2008, 10:42:08 AM »
no one is defending them.  They deserve to be hit.  BUT the consequences to hitting them right now would be very very bad on our good life here.

Hell, there are dozens of leaders worldwide who could use a good spanking.  It's not realistic for us to do it.

Don't you mean the consequences of them hitting our overseas interests would be very bad on our good life?

Iran just released a statement saying they have predetermined targets locked in.

Those dozens of leaders don't have the weaponry right now to do anything, or the weapons to disrupt oil supply, and some of our main shipping vessels.

No mistake about it, Iran will cause the US to become engaged in war. Brinkmanship at it's finest we rattled their cage and they have acted immature and premature.


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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2008, 10:47:45 AM »
agreed but realistically who else would do it?

Israel in a heartbeat

In fact the Iranian president just yesterday said "Israel will dissapear from the world by their own making"

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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2008, 10:48:31 AM »
Don't you mean the consequences of them hitting our overseas interests would be very bad on our good life?

Iran just released a statement saying they have predetermined targets locked in.

Those dozens of leaders don't have the weaponry right now to do anything, or the weapons to disrupt oil supply, and some of our main shipping vessels.

No mistake about it, Iran will cause the US to become engaged in war. Brinkmanship at it's finest we rattled their cage and they have acted immature and premature.
if this is the case I hope we dont fight this war like the one in iraq with our fucking hands tied, go in there do what needs to be done by any means necessary.

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Re: Iran test-fires 9 missiles in Persian Gulf
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2008, 11:01:57 AM »
uh oh looks like some legit arguments came up to defend Iran, lol

Is Iran a threat to the continental USA directly?   NO.

Is Iran a threat to the ME region?  YES.

Is Iran a threat to the US troops in Iraq?  YES.

Is Iran a threat when they get nukes?  YES.

Will they be threat to the world?  YES.

Are they more of a threat then they were 8 years ago?  Obviously, YES.

Does any of this justify we should start a war with them?  NO.

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« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2008, 11:03:07 AM »
I keep saying let Israel fight the brunt of the war and let US special forces go in there and fight a proxy war with Mossad. Assassinations, bombings, disruption of their communications, etc. Israel's got more than enough firepower to handle the QUDS force, who are the only branch of Iran's military capable of actually doing anything, albeit not much. Iran's military is a bigger joke than Iraq's was.

Is Iran a threat to the continental USA directly?   NO.

Is Iran a threat to the ME region?  YES.

Is Iran a threat to the US troops in Iraq?  YES.

Is Iran a threat when they get nukes?  YES.

Will they be threat to the world?  YES.

Are they more of a threat then they were 8 years ago?  Obviously, YES.

Does any of this justify we should start a war with them?  NO.

That's your opinion. Israel thinks otherwise.

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« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2008, 11:09:56 AM »
if this is the case I hope we dont fight this war like the one in iraq with our fucking hands tied, go in there do what needs to be done by any means necessary.

It would be a joint effort the US won't be the only player involved since so many economic conditions will end up fueling the events Iran is trying to disrupt. This would be bad for the world economy as a whole, and it is in several nations best interest to subdue Iran with force rather than wait for words to play out. And with Iran and Russia at each other's throats in the exportation of oil, Russia is only happy to have something happen to Iran since their future of technology and serviceable parts is a predetermined failure now the US has intervened.

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« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2008, 11:13:28 AM »
I keep saying let Israel fight the brunt of the war and let US special forces go in there and fight a proxy war with Mossad. Assassinations, bombings, disruption of their communications, etc. Israel's got more than enough firepower to handle the QUDS force, who are the only branch of Iran's military capable of actually doing anything, albeit not much. Iran's military is a bigger joke than Iraq's was.

That's your opinion. Israel thinks otherwise.

I'm sure you are thinking it through.

Israel does not have the capability to invade and occupy Iran.  Israel has the capability to strike Iran successfully.  So what?  Once they do then what?  The entire ME will freak over it.  And when Iran gets nukes, it's even going to be a more dangerous place for everyone. 

And as i said, Iran is presently a threat to the region, which would include , Israel.   But as of yet, all this is, missiles tests and such, is rattling sabers.

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« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2008, 11:19:13 AM »
I'm sure you are thinking it through.

Israel does not have the capability to invade and occupy Iran.  Israel has the capability to strike Iran successfully.  So what?  Once they do then what?  The entire ME will freak over it.  And when Iran gets nukes, it's even going to be a more dangerous place for everyone. 

And as i said, Iran is presently a threat to the region, which would include , Israel.   But as of yet, all this is, missiles tests and such, is rattling sabers.

You know this how? You speak on a whole lot of speculation. Provide some hard facts. How will Iran get nukes if their nuclear facilities are craters? Enlighten me? Perhaps they can produce fission using oil?

The entire ME would condemn it and nothing more. None of them are too fond of Iran meddling in their affairs. They're a Shia nation while every country but Iraq is Sunni. Most of them would love nothing more than to see Iran as a smoldering heap. They would rattle their sabers and do nothing. Israel blew up a Syrian reactor and no one did shit.

Like HH6 said, Iran is nothing. Their military is a joke. Iraq's was better. The only thing to worry about is the QUDS guys who are stationed outside Iran.


I don't know where people got it in their head that Iran has this super powered military. Most of their aircraft is decades old, their fighters have no experience, their equipment is crap.

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« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2008, 11:24:29 AM »
And as i said, Iran is presently a threat to the region, which would include , Israel.   But as of yet, all this is, missiles tests and such, is rattling sabers.

which would include US economic interests as well in case you forgot.

You don't get it do you?

Striking US is not a matter of striking soil but striking veins and arteries that keep the nation alive. You disrupt a shipping vessel the stock market bleeps, oil goes up, and companies go under that can happen in 1 day. You launch a missile into a tanker and disrupt shipping that can set a country back 3 years in serviceables.

Israel has more weaponry than any ME nation. Airpower is more than enough to cripple a country and set it back on track without engaging in ground tactics.

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« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2008, 11:24:56 AM »
You know this how? You speak on a whole lot of speculation. Provide some hard facts. How will Iran get nukes if their nuclear facilities are craters? Enlighten me? Perhaps they can produce fission using oil?

You really think anyone can prevent a country from manufacturing something in secret?

I don't see the Iranians stupid enough to manufacture nukes at the local "Nuke-Mart" factories they'll set up for everyone to see. 

Chances are they are already doing it under ground some place.

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The entire ME would condemn it and nothing more. The entire ME isn't too fond of Iran meddling in their affairs. They're a Shia nation while every country but Iraq is Sunni. Most of them would love nothing more than to see Iran as a smoldering heap. They would rattle their sabers and do nothing. Israel blew up a Syrian reactor and no one did shit.

Quite possible, or the ME will see it as an over aggressive attack on a nation just trying to progress out of the 3rd world.

Bottom line is, unless you are willing to invade an occupy, you have to deal with Iran one way or another.  And at some point you'll have to deal with a nuclear Iran.

I just don't see how this can be stopped.  It may not be in the next few years, but it will happen.

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« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2008, 11:28:16 AM »
You really think anyone can prevent a country from manufacturing something in secret?

I don't see the Iranians stupid enough to manufacture nukes at the local "Nuke-Mart" factories they'll set up for everyone to see. 

Chances are they are already doing it under ground some place.

Quite possible, or the ME will see it as an over aggressive attack on a nation just trying to progress out of the 3rd world.

Bottom line is, unless you are willing to invade an occupy, you have to deal with Iran one way or another.  And at some point you'll have to deal with a nuclear Iran.

I just don't see how this can be stopped.  It may not be in the next few years, but it will happen.

You don't think the US and Israel know with almost 100% certainty where all of Iran's nuclear facilities are. I would be willing to bet that they know. They've probably known for years.

Why won't it be stopped? When did Iran become this super power you're making them out to be? If it couldn't be stopped the rest of the ME would already have nukes. Egypt's been more powerful than Iran for a long time and they don't have nukes. Same with Saudi Arabia. What exactly makes Iran so special according to you? Their crappy military? The fact they can train terrorists to plant IEDs?


Stick enough sanctions on them, blow up their facilities and make it hard enough on life that the current government loses power and I bet they would stop. Their economy has been in the crapper for a few years now and most of Ahmadinejad's party members lost their seats in local elections. The Iranian populace isn't too happy with them right now. Record inflation levels, gas being controlled, etc.

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« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2008, 11:28:32 AM »
which would include US economic interests as well in case you forgot.

You don't get it do you?

Striking US is not a matter of striking soil but striking veins and arteries that keep the nation alive. You disrupt a shipping vessel the stock market bleeps, oil goes up, and companies go under that can happen in 1 day. You launch a missile into a tanker and disrupt shipping that can set back a country back 3 years in serviceables.

Israel has more weaponry than any ME nation. Airpower is more than enough to cripple a country and set it back on track without engaging in ground tactics.


Why would they do that at the expense of their economy and country?  If they shot at a tanker or tankers, they get 1 hour minimum of full US firepower.  Similar to what Iraq got in 1991.  They are not that stupid to want that exchange.

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« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2008, 11:33:30 AM »
Why would they do that at the expense of their economy and country?  If they shot at a tanker or tankers, they get 1 hour minimum of full US firepower.  Similar to what Iraq got in 1991.  They are not that stupid to want that exchange.
their actions of late would argue otherwise

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« Reply #24 on: July 09, 2008, 11:34:35 AM »
You don't think the US and Israel know with almost 100% certainty where all of Iran's nuclear facilities are. I would be willing to bet that they know. They've probably known for years.

Maybe, maybe not.  After the WMD circus of 2003, i have serious doubts.  And it's not about the facilities they know about, it's the one they don't know.

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Why won't it be stopped? When did Iran become this super power you're making them out to be?

I'm not saying they are a super power.   But with nukes they enter into a different group of countries.

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If it couldn't be stopped the rest of the ME would already have nukes.

Does every country in the ME have the resources to pursue it?  Can they all even get Uranium?

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Egypt's been more powerful than Iran for a long time and they don't have nukes. Same with Saudi Arabia.

Again it comes down to desire, capability and resources.

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What exactly makes Iran so special according to you? Their crappy military? The fact they can train terrorists to plant IEDs?

Nothing special about Iran except that they are developing nuclear power plants and have raised the alert of our nation to their potential capabilities of developing nukes.