a gram of protein per pound of body weight? i dont think so...

[J Grey]

that guy in the video is dumb.. i didnt even watch them, honestly..i saw somebody post a video from him in the positive board ad the guy is just rediculously retarded about nutrition..


and i didnt say you should eat EXCESS...i said you should eat 1 gram per pound lean body weight for health, and 2 grams total body weight for fastest possible mucle growth..and that is not excess intake that is sufficent intake.. 

so you're so close minded that you won't give the man who has degrees in nutrition and human body biochemistry and is a great personal trainer and fitness coach
even a listen?


it's less than 2 minutes for each video, check it out, you might learn something.
plus he is jacked, and natural, not one of those twinks or fatties who think they know it all
he knows what he's talking about

[mass 04]

I would like to see a study where it says
excess protein (more than required) = excess muscle growth

brutal short shorts.

[Knowledge]

I agree with you J Grey. 1 g per Kg of body weight.  This is also the recommendation of the NSCA in the CSCS textbook, however I don't think a little extra would ever hurt anyone just not in excess.

[J Grey]

I agree with you J Grey. 1 g per Kg of body weight.  This is also the recommendation of the NSCA in the CSCS textbook, however I don't think a little extra would ever hurt anyone just not in excess.

that's exactly what I get, 1 g per Kg
a little extra couldn't hurt but I wouldn't go out of my way to consume 500 grams everyday 

[tbombz]

so you're so close minded that you won't give the man who has degrees in nutrition and human body biochemistry and is a great personal trainer and fitness coach
even a listen?


it's less than 2 minutes for each video, check it out, you might learn something.
plus he is jacked, and natural, not one of those twinks or fatties who think they know it all
he knows what he's talking about

okay i listened to him. he doesnt know what hes talking about.  look, i can show you some good info, but you have to promise that your going to accept soemthing, if its proven with science. okay?

[J Grey]

okay i listened to him. he doesnt know what hes talking about.  look, i can show you some good info, but you have to promise that your going to accept soemthing, if its proven with science. okay?

I'm all ears 

[tbombz]

okay...first of all, read this article on protien intake while dieting by anssi manninen(a highly eductaed and very well thought of nutritionist.)

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/9


in that article take special note of this =


. high protein intake increases protein synthesis by increasing systemic amino acid availability [21], which is a potent stimulus of muscle protein synthesis [22].

21. Motil KJ, Matthews DE, Bier DM, Burke JF, Munro HN, Young VR: Whole-body leucine and lysine metabolism: response to dietary protein intake in young men.

Am J Physiol 1981, 240:E712-E721.


22. Paddon-Jones D, Sheffield-Moore M, Zhang XJ, Volpi E, Wolf SE, Aarsland A, Ferrando AA, Wolfe RR: Amino acid ingestion improves muscle protein synthesis in the young and elderly.

Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 2004, 286:E321-E328.



^^^ amino acid availablity is a POTENT stimuli of protein synthesis. that means that eating protein makes your body use more protein. 









okay i will be back with much more for you.

[tbombz]

on the issue of the necessity of overeating calories for muscle growth =



The utilisation of both egg and polished rice protein in young men was about 30% higher and protein required to maintain N balance lower when fed at a calorie intake which was about 25% higher than that needed for maintenance (14). Similarly, when egg protein was fed at the “FAO/WHO 1973 safe level”, young men were in negative balance when their calorie intake was at maintenance level and they achieved positive balance only when calorie intakes were raised by 9 to 14% (15).

14. Inoue et al., J. Nutr., 103, 1673, 1973

15. Garza, C.G., Scrimshaw, N.S. and Young, V.R., Am.J.Clin.Nutr., 29, 280, 1976


^^ you will not grow without an excess of calories.

[tbombz]

on the point that meat protein is BETTER than powder protein=

biological value of chicken = 79.
biological value of beef= 69.
biological value of whey concentrate= 104.
biological value of whey isolate= 159.

[phemonmmill32]

don't eggs have an extremely high bio availability for a natural food source

i guess that debunks the 'f**k protein powders' mentality some on this board have

[tbombz]

http://www.sportsnutritionsociety.org/conference_presentations/ISSNConference_200806_Layne.pdf



^^^^ optimal protein intake. all of it is supported by science and studies. thats done by layne norton, who, in my opinion, is on his way to becoming the worlds leading expert in protein metabolism.

[tbombz]

don't eggs have an extremely high bio availability for a natural food source

i guess that debunks the 'f**k protein powders' mentality some on this board have

whole eggs have biological value of 100. the best of a natural source.  however, as i showed above, whey concentrate has a bio value of 104, and whey isolate has a bio value of 159. both better than egg(the best natural source of protein)

[nodeal]

honestly the people that find it necessary to consume 2 grams of protein per pound of body weight are the same people who think it's necessary to do a 25 set bicep workout. it seems most of you (with the exception of a few level-headed people here) need to calm down. you're getting so wrapped up in optimizing growth for your precious muscles that you forget where to draw the line.

did somebody state that the RDA is a joke? new one on me. pretty bold statement. im sure they could learn a lot from your professional knowledge on consumption of macro molecules.

take the chicken out of your mouth and think for a second. have you forgotten what the average person's diet looks like? a lot of people do not even reach the RDA for protein, without any signs that they are not consuming enough. i have seen people who dont know shit about dieting gain a decent amount of mass from just lifting weights and consuming wayyyy less than your oh so accurate calculations of 1 gram per pound minimum.

my protein intake exceeds RDA, definitely, but i do not always meet the supposed minimum of 1 gram per pound, and honestly do not think it's necessary.

[tbombz]

honestly the people that find it necessary to consume 2 grams of protein per pound of body weight are the same people who think it's necessary to do a 25 set bicep workout. it seems most of you (with the exception of a few level-headed people here) need to calm down. you're getting so wrapped up in optimizing growth for your precious muscles that you forget where to draw the line.

did somebody state that the RDA is a joke? new one on me. pretty bold statement. im sure they could learn a lot from your professional knowledge on consumption of macro molecules.

take the chicken out of your mouth and think for a second. have you forgotten what the average person's diet looks like? a lot of people do not even reach the RDA for protein, without any signs that they are not consuming enough. i have seen people who dont know shit about dieting gain a decent amount of mass from just lifting weights and consuming wayyyy less than your oh so accurate calculations of 1 gram per pound minimum.

my protein intake exceeds RDA, definitely, but i do not always meet the supposed minimum of 1 gram per pound, and honestly do not think it's necessary.

http://www.sportsnutritionsociety.org/conference_presentations/ISSNConference_200806_Layne.pdf



^^^^ optimal protein intake. all of it is supported by science and studies. thats done by layne norton, who, in my opinion, is on his way to becoming the worlds leading expert in protein metabolism.

okay...first of all, read this article on protien intake while dieting by anssi manninen(a highly eductaed and very well thought of nutritionist.)

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/9


in that article take special note of this =


. high protein intake increases protein synthesis by increasing systemic amino acid availability [21], which is a potent stimulus of muscle protein synthesis [22].

21. Motil KJ, Matthews DE, Bier DM, Burke JF, Munro HN, Young VR: Whole-body leucine and lysine metabolism: response to dietary protein intake in young men.

Am J Physiol 1981, 240:E712-E721.


22. Paddon-Jones D, Sheffield-Moore M, Zhang XJ, Volpi E, Wolf SE, Aarsland A, Ferrando AA, Wolfe RR: Amino acid ingestion improves muscle protein synthesis in the young and elderly.

Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 2004, 286:E321-E328.



^^^ amino acid availablity is a POTENT stimuli of protein synthesis. that means that eating protein makes your body use more protein. 









okay i will be back with much more for you.

on the issue of the necessity of overeating calories for muscle growth =



The utilisation of both egg and polished rice protein in young men was about 30% higher and protein required to maintain N balance lower when fed at a calorie intake which was about 25% higher than that needed for maintenance (14). Similarly, when egg protein was fed at the “FAO/WHO 1973 safe level”, young men were in negative balance when their calorie intake was at maintenance level and they achieved positive balance only when calorie intakes were raised by 9 to 14% (15).

14. Inoue et al., J. Nutr., 103, 1673, 1973

15. Garza, C.G., Scrimshaw, N.S. and Young, V.R., Am.J.Clin.Nutr., 29, 280, 1976


^^ you will not grow without an excess of calories.

on the point that meat protein is BETTER than powder protein=

biological value of chicken = 79.
biological value of beef= 69.
biological value of whey concentrate= 104.
biological value of whey isolate= 159.

[nodeal]

haha your pro-poultry gospels do little to persuade.

[Alex23]

More debunked myths in a single post then I have seen in a long time.  See:

http://www.brinkzone.com/articledetails.php?acatid=3&aid=113

Great Article will.

[tbombz]

haha your pro-poultry gospels do little to persuade.

Hydrolyzed protein is my choice, not chicken.  

anyway, the scientific and the anecdotal evidence bth strongly support high protein intake for ALL individuals, not just athletes and bodybuilders. Protien is essential for healthy body.

[nodeal]

it's just the meaning of high protein intake that i do not agree with. should you consume above RDA? yes. but 2 grams per pound of bodyweight? im not going to shove food into my mouth in order to reach a numerical value of protein consumption in fear of otherwise not growing. that is when bodybuilding begins to lose its enjoyment.

[tbombz]

it's just the meaning of high protein intake that i do not agree with. should you consume above RDA? yes. but 2 grams per pound of bodyweight? im not going to shove food into my mouth in order to reach a numerical value of protein consumption in fear of otherwise not growing. that is when bodybuilding begins to lose its enjoyment.

i dont do that either, i just eat a big chunk of meat at every meal, maybe 12-16 ounces, eat 5-6 meals a day, and drink a few scoops of whey before, during, and after i workout.   now thats in the offseason of cuorse, when im dieting, i cut the meat to about 8-12 ounces, and only have whey pre workout.

[J Grey]

honestly the people that find it necessary to consume 2 grams of protein per pound of body weight are the same people who think it's necessary to do a 25 set bicep workout. it seems most of you (with the exception of a few level-headed people here) need to calm down. you're getting so wrapped up in optimizing growth for your precious muscles that you forget where to draw the line.

did somebody state that the RDA is a joke? new one on me. pretty bold statement. im sure they could learn a lot from your professional knowledge on consumption of macro molecules.

take the chicken out of your mouth and think for a second. have you forgotten what the average person's diet looks like? a lot of people do not even reach the RDA for protein, without any signs that they are not consuming enough. i have seen people who dont know shit about dieting gain a decent amount of mass from just lifting weights and consuming wayyyy less than your oh so accurate calculations of 1 gram per pound minimum.

my protein intake exceeds RDA, definitely, but i do not always meet the supposed minimum of 1 gram per pound, and honestly do not think it's necessary.

Exactly, an average person's diet barely ever meets the RDA
I have seen how people eat, maybe tbombz has forgotten how normal people eat?
1 gram per Kg about 0.5 gram per pound is enough
I'm not going out of my way to consume 500 grams of protein everyday
for those who are "living the dream" so be it 
tbombz, you're not Ronnie Coleman.


and the study that you showed me is from very low calorie diets, and the effect of protein
you know the less than 800 calorie diets 
it doesn't prove anything, I said excess protein doesn't help, the amount that you get on a VLCD is enough, not excessive.

[laurion]

Okay everyone good points, now what powder do you take tbombz?

[Geo]

   
a gram of protein per pound of body weight? i dont think so...

i am 6'4 and weigh 215 pounds.

the mystery is solved

[tbombz]

Exactly, an average person's diet barely ever meets the RDA
I have seen how people eat, maybe tbombz has forgotten how normal people eat?

this point is moot. so what , what normal people eat? we are not making recommendations based off of what is the norm. thats not how its done. we make recommendations based off of what is optimal, and backed by science.  

1 gram per Kg about 0.5 gram per pound is enough

no its not, not even for a "healty diet", let alone enough to be optimal for protein synthesis (hypertophy, growth,   ). .5gram per pound does not even cover base protein turn over. you do know that they are ESSENTIAL AMINO ACIDS, rght? lol

[tbombz]

Okay everyone good points, now what powder do you take tbombz?

right now im going to buy some PEPTOPRO which is a hydrolysed caseinate...hydrlyzed proteins are normally VERY bitter..but they are the best proteins availbale, at the moment, as they have the very fastest digestion rat epossible because thay are broken down into small peptides which are rapidly digested much quicker than a normal whey isolate. this pepto pro is a hydrolyzed protein, except its NOT bitter. its pricey though, cheapest ive found is 25 per pound on trueprotein.com.   i always enrinch my protein powder with about 20% l-leucine.

[laurion]

http://www.sportsnutritionsociety.org/conference_presentations/ISSNConference_200806_Layne.pdf



^^^^ optimal protein intake. all of it is supported by science and studies. thats done by layne norton, who, in my opinion, is on his way to becoming the worlds leading expert in protein metabolism.

Not trying to be a smarta$$ but isn't he backed by scivation, and wouldn't that mean of course he would say that? 

I understand protein is important for muscle growth and all but the only supplementation of protein I have right now is one shake first thing in the morning with about 50 grams dymatize (for the blend) mainly for taste cause I add about 5 extra grams of l-leucine, a serving of creatine gluconate, a serving of beta alanine and a serving of l-glutamine.   I'm not an olympia winner or anything but in about 3 years I have put on about 28 lbs. (give or take) of lean mass. 

I have played around with supps/protein and have found that most of the time they are a waste of time and money and I call them 1 percenters because IMO that's all they help.  I currently weigh 215 and am about 18% bodyfat I only supp about 60 grams of protein and probably only eat 200 in whole food i have been taking this shake in the morning for about 6 months now (mainly trying to use up what I have bought) and I feel like I'm still making gains.

I only add this info cause I'm looking for you're input, so again not trying to be a smarta$$.