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Attacks on Gaza doomed, expert believes
« on: January 04, 2009, 12:45:11 AM »
Attacks on Gaza doomed, expert believes
By Ferry Biedermann in Beirut

Published: January 2 2009

Israel’s attempt to force the Palestinian group Hamas to comply with a ceasefire on its terms through its offensive against the Gaza Strip is doomed to fail, an international expert on the region predicts.

The attacks on Gaza would leave Hamas in place, said Alastair Crooke. “It is nothing tangible that you can knock down, it is not a building,” he explained.

Israel was also repeating some of the mistakes it made during the 2006 war against Hizbollah, Mr Crooke argued in an interview with the Financial Times. The country’s leadership was divided on the course of action and had no clear view of the endgame, he said.

Just like Hizbollah in 2006, Hamas was hoping to force Israel into launching a risky ground operation by continuing to fire rockets into the Jewish state, he said.

Israel was hesitant to commit ground forces because it was aware that Hamas had changed its fighting capacity and there could be some “surprises”.

Mr Crooke, a former British intelligence officer and EU adviser, expected the outcome of the fighting, irrespective of military developments on the ground, to be an agreement between the two sides that would see the end of Israel’s siege of Gaza and “a return to normalcy” in the tiny strip of land.

Israel’s attempt to stop the Hamas rockets had so far failed, as had its targeting of the military leadership of Hamas. And any idea to force Palestinians to abandon Hamas was misguided.

“All the pressure that I hear, not from Hamas but from other Palestinians in Gaza, the real pressure is for revenge,” said Mr Crooke, a former MI6 agent and founder of a forum that explores engagement with groups such as Hamas and Hizbollah.

He saw the current round of fighting and the unwillingness of Hamas to extend the six-month ceasefire that expired last month as a reaction by the group to being squeezed by Israel, the international community and even the Arab League.

Mr Crooke regularly argues for exploring the possibility of talks with groups such as Hamas and Hizbollah rather than isolating them, and emphasises that they have a political agenda.
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Re: Attacks on Gaza doomed, expert believes
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2009, 03:01:10 AM »
Did you pray for Allah today? Or were you too busy building a bomb?

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Re: Attacks on Gaza doomed, expert believes
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2009, 03:45:11 AM »
Did you pray for Allah today? Or were you too busy building a bomb?


You totally fit in the masses who are thoroughly brainwashed. The world outside is a scary place for the ignorants.

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Re: Attacks on Gaza doomed, expert believes
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2009, 03:49:09 AM »

You totally fit in the masses who are thoroughly brainwashed. The world outside is a scary place for the ignorants.

I want you to listen to me .... concentrate....Allah loves you...he wants you to come to him, take that bomb and explode yourself and your family that he loves too with it, he is waiting.

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Re: Attacks on Gaza doomed, expert believes
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2009, 03:53:13 AM »

You totally fit in the masses who are thoroughly brainwashed. The world outside is a scary place for the ignorants.

most americans dont know much about outside the area, they are brainwashed with religion britney spears and mtv.

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Re: Attacks on Gaza doomed, expert believes
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2009, 07:21:52 AM »
The only religion that has allowed Judaism to thrive UNINTERRUPTED has been Islam. Yet Zionists still subserviently side with the Western world (Christians) time and time again even though we've tried to exterminate them from the face of the earth on various occasions.

Talk about obedient backstabbers.

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Re: Attacks on Gaza doomed, expert believes
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2009, 08:12:59 AM »
The only religion that has allowed Judaism to thrive UNINTERRUPTED has been Islam. Yet Zionists still subserviently side with the Western world (Christians) time and time again even though we've tried to exterminate them from the face of the earth on various occasions.

Talk about obedient backstabbers.

So you live in the past? Thats cool, can you put a short on the stock market for me? I want to make tons of money on this crisis!

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Re: Attacks on Gaza doomed, expert believes
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2009, 08:38:26 AM »
So you live in the past? Thats cool, can you put a short on the stock market for me? I want to make tons of money on this crisis!

 ::) ::) ::) ::)

You are a disturbed human being.

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Re: Attacks on Gaza doomed, expert believes
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2009, 08:53:58 AM »
Someone should be making money off this mess.

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Re: Attacks on Gaza doomed, expert believes
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2009, 08:57:07 AM »
Someone should be making money off this mess.

The Hamas does, it's common knowledge that they used to bring large supplies of goods, fire some rockets, than Israel would close the border and they sell at higher prices....gotta love them... ::)

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Re: Attacks on Gaza doomed, expert believes
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2009, 01:16:33 PM »
Did you pray for Allah today? Or were you too busy building a bomb?

GO HAMAS!!!!!!!

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Re: Attacks on Gaza doomed, expert believes
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2009, 01:22:20 PM »
GO HAMAS!!!!!!!

Yeah Go Hamas  . . . . . .  to your dirty filthy stinking 72 virgin little boys in the sky after you get mopped up.

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Re: Attacks on Gaza doomed, expert believes
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2009, 04:03:38 PM »
Mr Crooke regularly argues for exploring the possibility of talks with groups such as Hamas and Hizbollah rather than isolating them, and emphasises that they have a political agenda. ..................Oh ok dumbass. Where do these people come from. Please don't point to his resume, we all work with educated people who don't deserve the postion they're in or make mistakes. These are the same people who missed 911 and WMDS's in Iraq.  Hamas and its leadership must die..dead...gone...burie d. This guy missed recent history. The IDF pulled out in 2005 and all its brought is grief. Israel tore up the settlements, they got rockest and suicide bombs for their trouble. That wall they built has been the most successful counter terror tool that anybody has ever done. We copied it in Iraq. As long as barry continues to keep his mouth shut after he's sworn in, the IDF will cut Hamas to pieces. Israel wants the Palestinians to either move, turn on Hamas or die. Rubble makes no trouble.

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Re: Attacks on Gaza doomed, expert believes
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2009, 05:00:58 PM »
Good move for peace. Invade and bomb some more. Way to go Israel the nation of peace, of course.

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Re: Attacks on Gaza doomed, expert believes
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2009, 09:18:01 PM »
The only religion that has allowed Judaism to thrive UNINTERRUPTED has been Islam. Yet Zionists still subserviently side with the Western world (Christians) time and time again even though we've tried to exterminate them from the face of the earth on various occasions.

Talk about obedient backstabbers.

What? One of the very foundations of Islam is a strong hatred towards Jews...this isn't new news.

Good move for peace. Invade and bomb some more. Way to go Israel the nation of peace, of course.

What should they do? You can't talk with people who have only one desire and that's to kill you. Besides, they've tried talking for years and it only leads to more dead Israelis.

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Re: Attacks on Gaza doomed, expert believes
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2009, 10:42:11 PM »

What should they do? You can't talk with people who have only one desire and that's to kill you. Besides, they've tried talking for years and it only leads to more dead Israelis.

Liberalas hippies believe that singing songs will bring peace  :-\ ::)

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Re: Attacks on Gaza doomed, expert believes
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2009, 05:10:21 AM »
Good move for peace. Invade and bomb some more. Way to go Israel the nation of peace, of course.

And what would you do if someone shot 6000 rockets at you??????

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Re: Attacks on Gaza doomed, expert believes
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2009, 09:41:41 AM »
I want you to listen to me .... concentrate....Allah loves you...he wants you to come to him, take that bomb and explode yourself and your family that he loves too with it, he is waiting.

Allah would never ask that.  Allah would tell you to strap the bomb onto your child and send him out to die while you hide in bunker with your fellow followers. 

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Re: Attacks on Gaza doomed, expert believes
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2009, 11:11:24 AM »
Allah would never ask that.  Allah would tell you to strap the bomb onto your child and send him out to die while you hide in bunker with your fellow followers. 

LOL, you're right :)

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Re: Attacks on Gaza doomed, expert believes
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2009, 12:21:05 PM »
The only religion that has allowed Judaism to thrive UNINTERRUPTED has been Islam. Yet Zionists still subserviently side with the Western world (Christians) time and time again even though we've tried to exterminate them from the face of the earth on various occasions.

Talk about obedient backstabbers.

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Hateful Hadith Again PA TV
A hadith is a saying or tradition attributed to the Prophet Muhammad. One particular hadith that has been repeated by academic and religious figures over and over on Palestinian Authority Television relates a time in the future when the rocks and the trees of the earth will call out to Muslims to kill them. Indeed, according to this hadith, until Muslims start killing Jews and the rocks and the trees reveal the latter's hiding places, the Hour of Resurrection - the end of the world - won't come.
By continually preaching this message to Palestinians, the PA is turning the killing of Jews into a religious obligation.
http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part6.html


It is taken from Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176 & 177 of the Sahih Bukhari edition of the Hadith. The title of this chapter is, "Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad)"

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

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Re: Attacks on Gaza doomed, expert believes
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2009, 12:49:26 PM »
And what would you do if someone shot 6000 rockets at you??????

every rocket they fire into israel is completely justified.

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Re: Attacks on Gaza doomed, expert believes
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2009, 12:55:39 PM »

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Talking rocks?  WTF?  Is this why they are still living in the stone age over there?  Waiting for rocks to give them orders.

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Re: Attacks on Gaza doomed, expert believes
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2009, 12:56:45 PM »
The Hamas does, it's common knowledge that they used to bring large supplies of goods, fire some rockets, than Israel would close the border and they sell at higher prices....gotta love them... ::)

Correct.

Hamas are scums who feed off the Palestinians poor situation.

As empty as paradise

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Re: Attacks on Gaza doomed, expert believes
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2009, 12:57:49 PM »
every rocket they fire into israel is completely justified.

So is Israels self defense.

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Re: Attacks on Gaza doomed, expert believes
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2009, 01:02:39 PM »
every rocket they fire into israel is completely justified.

Ha ha.  Hamas is a bunch of fags who hide behind kids and women.