As per Hugo's very late and overdue suggestion made on the open board, I am posting this on the complaints board. As to why he never chose to make the suggestion in PM when I asked him, I don't know. It was only AFTER he brought the situation out in the open, did he even suggest I take it to Ron.
Of course, I already had taken it to Ron, but he hasn't responded back, so I'm reposting my PM to Ron as per Hugo's belated instructions.
Here is what was originally sent to Ron, prior to Hugo's suggestion (in green)
Subject: The deletions of my post
Ron, the below quote in blue is a PM I sent to hugo regarding the deletions of my post.
Hugo,
Why did you delete my response to Sampson in Danielson's thread?
It contained absolutely NO Spam whatsoever, ...yet you saw fit to delete it.
I infact took great pains to ensure that I didn't make any sort of a sales pitch.
I merely provided what I considered to be a thorough, yet metaphorical response to Samson's question. I'm beginning to think you are so reactionary that you're not really thinking. You're looking for a reason to interpret everything I say in reference to what I do as spam. you set parameters from within which to operate, ...then as soon as you think about my business, you scream spam and hit the delete key. Just like when I put up a banner in my sig line (as per your instruction) you screamed bloody murder and EVERYONE got their sig lines taken away.
In an attempt to thwart my rights, you ended up losing everyone else's rights in the process. Kind of like the Republicans. They bend themselves out of shape to ensure that anyone who is so much as accused of terrorism, enjoys NO RIGHTS at all, ...and in the process end up eroding their own.
It something to think about anyway.
In any event, ...can you tell me why you felt that post was spam, and how it broke any rules?
Here is his response:how many times did you delete and repost your post? How many times did I re-open the thread to read a new response only to see that there was no new response? About 6 times. I have better shit to do with my time.
To which I responded:That didn't answer my question. Had you left the post intact in the first place, you wouldn't have seen a new post indicator at all.
I would think that having better things to do with your time would preclude you from repeatedly and unecessarily deleting posts that break no rules.
Back to my original question. You'll find it above.
He went on to say:I didn't delete your post the first half dozen times. I assumed you did or bb. If bb did it, you shouldn't be reposting it.
Ron, you and I both know I had nothing to do with your deleting M_Valencia's posts, but I'm expected to be vindictively punished by someone who himself breaks the very rules he's charged with enforcing. Does this seem fair to you? When I reminded him that You still have not answered my question
He responded with:I'm not going to answer your fucking question if I didn't already answer your question. I told you why I locked the thread. I have no clue how that doesn't answer your question so that's all you get. Either you or BB deleted that post a half dozen times. It wasn't me. If it was you, you got the thread locked. If it was you after BB deleted, you got the thread locked.
Then he blocked me from responding back cutting off any further discussion.Ron, if we as posters have to be accountable for our posts, why are moderators not to be held accountable for their moderation?
Ron, I see absolutely nothing unreasonable in my question whatsoever?
How is one to be expected to play by the rules when those rules are not spelled out? Even when the rules are spelled out, those charged with enforcing the rules refuse to clarify the actions they take or explain how one of the rules have been broken. If there has been an infringement that has taken place... by all means point it out. That's all I ask. Is that so unreasonable?
If you like, I can send you a copy of what I wrote, so you can judge for yourself if it was spam. And if you deem it so, could you please clarify for me why it was?
Thanks,
Judi
ps: I don't know when Hugo's birthday is, ...but you might want to get him a prescription for valium. His responses on the board lately are giving the impression his nerves have been a little jangled as of late. I could be wrong, but I think the neglectful nature of the other mods on that board has resulted in Hugo being overworked. And if what he says is to be believed, it was Beach Bums selfish and vindictive abuse of his mod powers, in retaliation for your deleting his gimmick posts that contributed to Hugo being irritated at repeatedly having to see what he thought was a new post.
I won't accuse him of stalking the thread with a predatory eye, although I do find it unusual that he would constantly read a thread that he obviously had no desire to even participate in. ***************** end of original PM to Ron **************Now, ...as a follow up addendum: In the thread about Obama's poll numbers falling to earth, Hugo started a fight with tonymctones, and had the audacity to expect tony to back up what Hugo mistakenly believed was his backing of BB.
When tony told him him was acting like a ranting and raving lunatic who was melting all over the place
He had the gaul to say:
coward. You defended BB but you're to chickenshit to back it up.
Oh the irony!
Well when Tonymctones responded by saying:
YOU NUMB NUT FUCK show me where i defended beach you dip shit? please do.
Any retard can also look at the gallup poll ive posted and see that his rating has dropped. Your a jack ass we all lose for an array of reasons, you being a mod on this board, your posts/meltdowns of late are just ridiculous at least back in the day youd actually debate instead of melting down all over the place, having to listen to you constant olbermann/obama cock sucking.
now mind you, ...I'm still reeling over the irony of these words,
coward. You defended BB but you're to chickenshit to back it up.
...so I posted this:
and in response to:
YOU NUMB NUT FUCK show me where i defended beach you dip shit? please do.
Your a jack ass we all lose for an array of reasons, you being a mod on this board, your posts/meltdowns of late are just ridiculous at least back in the day youd actually debate instead of melting down all over the place.
I suggested to Tony that:
It could have been a fraudian slip on his part, ...or possibly even a guilty conscience
But do you know how Hugo responded?
You fucking crybaby, what were you doing by jumping in with your comment on me always being right. You obviously took issue with what I was saying. So what was I saying? That's right, you jumped in, addessed ME in an argument with BB and HH... So yea, you defended and now you're just a chickenshit who can't back up your mouth with facts.
Oh the irony!So I highlighted, and quoted Hugo's very own words along with this simple comment:
it's easier to quote than simply restate unanswered questions.
Now mind you, throughout all of this, I made not one single mention on the open board about any mis-moderation.
but rather than picking up on a subtle hint that perhaps he was being a tad ironically hypocritical, he responded by publicly calling me a bitch, and flaunting his power over the delete key, like he was some sort of pimp, rather than the melting putz he's been displaying lately. He brings what were previously private discussions out into the open on the political board forcing me to address them there. Dah!
I'm hugo fucking chavez bitch, with power to delete you . Quit crying and go pester BB over the stupid deleted posts if it wasn't you who did it. It wasn't me and it's not my fault the thread got locked. That's all you. I'll unlock it if you cut the shit, you don't repost shit over and over that has been deleted by a mod. If you have an issue why it got deleted, take it to complaints, do not just repost it over and over.
But since he brought it out in public, I answered his very rude and inappropriate response with:
You yourself admitted you deleted my post and locked the thread.
You also admitted to me that it was BB who deleted it the previous half dozen times.
You also flat out refused to tell me why it was delete worthy, or how it broke the rules.
We all know why BB was deleting my posts, abusing his power over the delete key in retaliation for the assisted suicide / murder of his friend, from the Great Get Big Murder Mystery Caper. ...something we both know I had absolutely nothing to do with. Despite the fact that I went to great lengths to shield his friend from the embarassment of having committed a public suicide, or worse... the embarassment it being revealed that he was possibly murdered by Ron, ...he chose to retaliate against me, ...and you defended it, then melted down, and ran like a chickenshit when asked you to explain to me your actions, or the wrongness of mine.
And do you know how Hugo responded?
I'm not even going to read past this bullshit. That's exactly what the complaints board is for. Let me tell you this now. consider this your warning. If you don't like that something got deleted, take it to the complaint forum, that's what it's for. If your answer is to just repost the post over and over, you're welcome to another 30 day ban.
I thought that's what the moderators were for... to address issues within the board?
It's right there in Hugo's own rules... if you have a problem, take it to one of the mods.
He is supposed to represent the left, BB the right, and OzmO is neutral.
Only if they are unable to handle it should it be escalated to Ron on the complaints board no?
Similar to real life, ...the unqualified and corrupt right is misbehaving, the neutrals are MIA, and the last hope is left to carry all the weight on his shoulders, ...but the burden is proving a tad too heavy
To which I responded with:
Oh Puleaze! What bullshit?! Show me the bullshit I've posted.
I'm not complaining that something got deleted, I'm calling you out for hypocrisy. There is a difference.
If you weren't so drunk with power, and so busy melting down every few seconds, you would realize the difference.
You are behaving like a hypocrite, I call you on it, ...and you threaten me with a 30 day ban?
Bwahahahaha ahahahahaha!Sorry I can't provide the quote signatures for that last one... Hugo deleted it. Along with a ton of other stuff.
He's threatening to ban me in an attempt to make this all about me derailing a thread, ...when it was HUGO himself who derailed the thread, by publicly inserting the mis-moderation on the board into the thread itself, ...and lied about it!
He publicly (but not privately) claimed he deleted it to put an end to the circus that was taking place between me and BB, but at the same time he knew darn well that BB was deleting me in retaliation for something you and I both know I did not do. When I suggested that I shouldn't have to bother Ron, or for that matter shouldn't have had to bother either him or OzmO to get to the bottom of the original harassment and unfounded accusations being levelled against me by his fellow mod, harassments and accusations that were precipitated by the very shenanigans being pulled by his fellow mis-behaving mod BB, and that perhaps if his fellow mods were not always so MIA, or abusing the authority with which they were charged, there would not have been a circus to begin with, perhaps he would not be so overworked, and melting down all the time.
There is a category of evidence within the US justice system, something he spoke glowingly about in another thread, considered
"inadmissible evidence". Basically it maintains the prosecution is not allowed to enter the evidence into court to make his or her case, ...however, if the defense brings it up, ...they've opened the door, and it's is no longer to be considered inadmissible evidence. It completely admissible. Well, if he didn't want me to be talking about the mis-moderation on the board, ...he shouldn't have brought that discussion out onto the board. That was something HE did, and now he is threatening to ban me? ...for the introduction of inadmissible evidence that he himself introduced? Stated within the rules he made, there were to be no baseless attacks made, however callouts were permissible to make a point, if you spot a serious discrepancy in your opponent, and would like to point it out. I did, but he threatens to ban me for it, because the discrepancy is within him? That's pretty rich don't you think? I think the poor lad is very confused.
There's was a lot more to it than that, ...but unfortunately... it's all been deleted. Posts are disappearing from all over that thread so fast, it's not funny. I'll tell you what is funny tho... it's the fact that he behaved like a pit bull with a bone repeatedly demanding that Tony answer his question and support why he was as Hugo assessed
"supporting BB, but being too chickenshit to back it up". Mind you, ...I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being a pit bull locked onto a bone. Sticktuitiveness and persistence can be qualities to admire, ...and I don't mind admitting, I've developed a bit of the pitbull in me too, ...nothing wrong with that, it's just the hypocritical irony of it all.
He jumped to an unsupported and unsupportable conclusion, possibly from a guilty conscience, i don't know, ...but upon realizing the hypocritical irony of it all, ...threatens to ban me for 30 days.
He wants to ban me for his own hypocrisy? I think the poor lad is very confused.
Now the posts are disappearing from that thread all over the place. Someone has packed up his toys and gone home.