Author Topic: Council votes to ban use of cell phones while driving (Read 29662 times)

OzmO · « **Reply #125 on:** July 07, 2011, 12:57:51 PM »

I still think the law is BS and is based on BS studies. Like for example, the study BB put about how deaths rose 28% in 3 years from distracted driving. It only suggested that many of these might have been from drivers textng on a cell phone with out providing actual numbers. I think driving while texting is dangerous but would like to see hard evidence or a complete study first that shows it, same with talking on one. I believe talking ona cell doesn't increase the chances of an accident significantly.

However, that being said, I ask anyone to feel free to show any stats that would indicate otherwise.

Think about it, talking on a cell, in my mind is very similar to talking to your kids in the back seat, eating, drinking etc. Of course we can add that most drivers drive with one hand on the wheel also.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #126 on:** July 07, 2011, 01:03:08 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on July 07, 2011, 12:57:51 PM

I still think the law is BS and is based on BS studies. Like for example, the study BB put about how deaths rose 28% in 3 years from distracted driving. It only suggested that many of these might have been from drivers textng on a cell phone with out providing actual numbers. I think driving while texting is dangerous but would like to see hard evidence or a complete study first that shows it. I believe talking ona cell doesn't increase the chances of an accident significantly.

However, that being said, I ask anyone to feel free to show any stats that would indicate otherwise.

Think about it, talking on a cell, in my mind is very similar to talking to your kids in the back seat, eating, drinking etc. Of course we can add that most drivers drive with one hand on the wheel also.

I agree. Driving while texting is very dangerous, but driving while holding a cell isn't any different than driving while talking on a bluetooth IMO.

Speaking of texting, my daughter texted me the other day from the backseat. I was in the front seat (passenger). Times have really changed.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #127 on:** July 07, 2011, 01:04:12 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on July 07, 2011, 12:57:51 PM

I still think the law is BS and is based on BS studies. Like for example, the study BB put about how deaths rose 28% in 3 years from distracted driving. It only suggested that many of these might have been from drivers textng on a cell phone with out providing actual numbers. I think driving while texting is dangerous but would like to see hard evidence or a complete study first that shows it, same with talking on one. I believe talking ona cell doesn't increase the chances of an accident significantly.

However, that being said, I ask anyone to feel free to show any stats that would indicate otherwise.

Think about it, talking on a cell, in my mind is very similar to talking to your kids in the back seat, eating, drinking etc. Of course we can add that most drivers drive with one hand on the wheel also.

Fine, can you at least agree that you should pass your driving test while talking on a cell phone? I'd love to see them do that with a manual trans. Becuase I've certainly seen enough people swerving while trying to shift and talk at the same time. hey, it's only fair, I wanna see how these cocksmockers do on the test in the same conditions.

OzmO · « **Reply #128 on:** July 07, 2011, 01:12:48 PM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on July 07, 2011, 01:04:12 PM

Fine, can you at least agree that you should pass your driving test while talking on a cell phone? I'd love to see them do that with a manual trans. Becuase I've certainly seen enough people swerving while trying to shift and talk at the same time. hey, it's only fair, I wanna see how these cocksmockers do on the test in the same conditions.

I agree, and I also agree that a study needs to be made with manual transmissions because I don't know about that.

OzmO · « **Reply #129 on:** July 07, 2011, 01:28:01 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on July 07, 2011, 01:03:08 PM

I agree. Driving while texting is very dangerous, but driving while holding a cell isn't any different than driving while talking on a bluetooth IMO.

Speaking of texting, my daughter texted me the other day from the backseat. I was in the front seat (passenger). Times have really changed.

Hehehehe

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #130 on:** July 07, 2011, 01:39:42 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on July 07, 2011, 01:12:48 PM

I agree, and I also agree that a study needs to be made with manual transmissions because I don't know about that.

yea, seriously, think about it. You're holding one hand to your head, one hand on the wheel, now shift through the corner? LOL, it doesn't work out so well. Yet I see assclowns trying there best to do it all the time... maybe it's because I'm in wyoming/colorado where there are more manual trans that I see it more often, but I swear, everytime I have to dodge some shithead, he/she is on their cell.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #131 on:** July 07, 2011, 01:42:46 PM »

BB, since you think it's ok for everyone, maybe you can go down and take a driving test while talking on the cell phone and driving a manual trans? Let us know what the results are lol...

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #132 on:** July 07, 2011, 01:48:10 PM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on July 07, 2011, 01:46:40 PM

But Beach... this is just like a helmet law or a seatbelt law.

It's saving you from yourself.

Surely it must be ok with you? Right?

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #133 on:** July 07, 2011, 01:49:15 PM »

We need laws banning cell phones in cars, we need to take toys out of happy meals, and we need to regulate salt and trans fat. Saves the tax payer money.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #134 on:** July 07, 2011, 01:49:38 PM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on July 07, 2011, 01:46:40 PM

But Beach... this is just like a helmet law or a seatbelt law.

It's saving you from yourself.

Surely it must be ok with you? Right?

Are you calling BB a hypocrite?

Dos Equis · « **Reply #135 on:** July 07, 2011, 01:49:46 PM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on July 07, 2011, 01:46:40 PM

But Beach... this is just like a helmet law or a seatbelt law.

It's saving you from yourself.

Surely it must be ok with you? Right?

Not it isn't.

Not it's not.

No.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #136 on:** July 07, 2011, 01:51:06 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on July 07, 2011, 01:49:46 PM

I'm full of shit

I'm full of a lot of shit

I just shit myself

fixed

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #137 on:** July 07, 2011, 01:52:38 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on July 07, 2011, 01:49:46 PM

I'm full of shit

I'm full of a lot of shit

I just shit myself

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on July 07, 2011, 01:51:06 PM

fixed

HAHAHAHAHAHH!!!

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #138 on:** July 07, 2011, 01:54:25 PM »

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #139 on:** July 07, 2011, 01:58:42 PM »

ooops

OzmO · « **Reply #140 on:** July 07, 2011, 02:02:12 PM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on July 07, 2011, 01:39:42 PM

yea, seriously, think about it. You're holding one hand to your head, one hand on the wheel, now shift through the corner? LOL, it doesn't work out so well. Yet I see assclowns trying there best to do it all the time... maybe it's because I'm in wyoming/colorado where there are more manual trans that I see it more often, but I swear, everytime I have to dodge some shithead, he/she is on their cell.

Yeah, I don't think I would try talking on a cell phone and shift in city traffic too. Seems like a no brainer.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #141 on:** July 07, 2011, 02:03:48 PM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on July 07, 2011, 01:59:04 PM

How about Beach explain how this is different from a helmet law or a seatbelt law?

Beach says helmet laws and seatbelt laws are fine because if someone is killed in a crash then that is an unfair burden on the tax payer.

So is not an unfair burden on the tax payer if someone is killed in a crash while texting?

ah screw it... this guy has spent his entire time here baiting/trolling others and then bailing when it gets to hard but he will never ever concede even the smallest point. Best to just treat him like he does others...

OzmO · « **Reply #142 on:** July 07, 2011, 02:06:46 PM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on July 07, 2011, 01:59:04 PM

How about Beach explain how this is different from a helmet law or a seatbelt law?

Beach says helmet laws and seatbelt laws are fine because if someone is killed in a crash then that is an unfair burden on the tax payer.

So is not an unfair burden on the tax payer if someone is killed in a crash while texting?

It's different because it hasn't been conclusively shown that cell phone driving raises the risk of accidents significantly as compared to the chances of severe injury resulting from an accident when not wearing seat belts or a helmet.

Now, I do think or predict that there is a study out there that can conclusively show that texting raises the danger of an accident significantly. Just haven't seen it yet.

OzmO · « **Reply #143 on:** July 07, 2011, 02:13:27 PM »

But motorcycle drivers are also not protected by a car around them.

Side note to continue, what makes texting dangerous is not what you are ding with your hands, it's reading the text as you type or as you read it and there for not looking at the road.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #144 on:** July 07, 2011, 02:15:59 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on July 07, 2011, 02:06:46 PM

It's different because it hasn't been conclusively shown that cell phone driving raises the risk of accidents significantly as compared to the chances of severe injury resulting from an accident when not wearing seat belts or a helmet.

Now, I do think or predict that there is a study out there that can conclusively show that texting raises the danger of an accident significantly. Just haven't seen it yet.

you gotta be kidding...

find any and all positions you want

Not real hard, google, "study cell phones driving"

first on the list:
http://unews.utah.edu/old/p/062206-1.html

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #145 on:** July 07, 2011, 02:19:10 PM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on July 07, 2011, 02:17:52 PM

As bad as drunks... and we all know how DUI laws are.

Surely taking a "drunk" off the road is OK right?!

DAMN.

No, they're fine. It's the %0.00020 of people that are killed not wearing a motorcycle helmet that I'm concerned about!

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #146 on:** July 07, 2011, 02:20:22 PM »

to be fair Ozmo said he had not seen a study that "conclusively shows" and well maybe there is not, but to turn it, are the studies that show there is no added danger any more conclusive than the ones that do?

OzmO · « **Reply #147 on:** July 07, 2011, 02:22:18 PM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on July 07, 2011, 02:15:59 PM

you gotta be kidding...
find any and all positions you want
Not real hard, google, "study cell phones driving"
first on the list:
http://unews.utah.edu/old/p/062206-1.html

Yeah I will delve into this later tonite. But thanks.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #148 on:** July 07, 2011, 02:22:45 PM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on July 07, 2011, 01:59:04 PM

How about Beach explain how this is different from a helmet law or a seatbelt law?

Beach says helmet laws and seatbelt laws are fine because if someone is killed in a crash then that is an unfair burden on the tax payer.

So is not an unfair burden on the tax payer if someone is killed in a crash while texting?

I have never read or seen comparable studies showing injuries and fatalities comparing cell phone use, helmet use, and seat belt use. Have you?

No comparison.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #149 on:** July 07, 2011, 02:31:14 PM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on July 07, 2011, 02:24:56 PM

There is certainly many studies discussing "driver inattentiveness".

Comparing them to seatbelt fatalities or helmets? Of course not.

They are not related in regards that cell phone usage is not a safety device where seat belts and helmets are... What would that study even consist of?

Let's modify the parameter then and ask you this... Are you ok with DUI checkpoints and the way DUI stops are handled?

Do you believe that people who drive drunk are endangering the public and should be stopped?

I haven't seen the studies either, and I doubt there is really any comparison in terms of number of accidents, related costs, etc. You're the one making the comparison, so if you have something to support your opinion that they are related, I'll read it.

DUI checkpoints? What does that have to do with cell phone use? lol. In any event, I have no problem with DUI checkpoints. But that's a different subject.

You're asking me if drunk drivers are a danger to the public? Really?