Author Topic: SANDOZ GENOTONORM QUERY! (Read 26728 times)

ozmrolympia · « **on:** April 27, 2009, 05:40:12 PM »

Hi Guys,

Have you heard of a product called Genotonorm made by Sandoz. It is a solution of premix hgh and igf. Is it genuine?

Some very close friends of mine swear its the best stuff they have ever used.

Thanks.

Luv2Hurt · « **Reply #1 on:** April 27, 2009, 05:54:48 PM »

Quote from: ozmrolympia on April 27, 2009, 05:40:12 PM

Hi Guys,

Have you heard of a product called Genotonorm made by Sandoz. It is a solution of premix hgh and igf. Is it genuine?

Some very close friends of mine swear its the best stuff they have ever used.

Thanks.

I would think that stuff would have to be handled carefully and kept in special conditions and used relatively quickly?

ozmrolympia · « **Reply #2 on:** April 27, 2009, 06:43:14 PM »

Apparently it is bought into Greece properly that is kept cold etc.

The product comes in 5 x 5ml vials with each ml having 4iu HGH and 50mcg IGF long acting.

The guys using it are top level European amateurs and they swear its unbelievable.

I have my doubts as i have never seen this product anywhere other than Greece.

Luv2Hurt · « **Reply #3 on:** April 28, 2009, 04:48:51 AM »

Yeah i would think if that stuff is going a long way on the black market trail, it would be mishandled somewhere along the line.

ozmrolympia · « **Reply #4 on:** April 29, 2009, 02:51:16 AM »

I agree.

But the people that provide it are top shelf and everything they ever touch or import is real and genuine and they swear by it.

I would have thought someone had seen it or knew about it

jtsunami · « **Reply #5 on:** April 29, 2009, 12:21:20 PM »

how do they combine two very delicate hormones in one vial? Do they not react to each other or anything?

jt

ozmrolympia · « **Reply #6 on:** April 29, 2009, 04:39:36 PM »

No idea. Interesting question!

Maybe GH15 can comment.

Emmortal · « **Reply #7 on:** April 29, 2009, 07:33:42 PM »

Quote from: jtsunami on April 29, 2009, 12:21:20 PM

how do they combine two very delicate hormones in one vial? Do they not react to each other or anything?

jt

I'd be very suspect of this product since IGF requires Acetic Acid for reconstitution and GH needs BW. The PH levels of the AA might have a serious negative effect on the GH. If the IGF wasn't reconstituted in AA then it's rendered pretty much useless after a few hours and all you are left with is the GH or whatever they put in there.

jtsunami · « **Reply #8 on:** April 29, 2009, 10:03:17 PM »

Quote from: Emmortal on April 29, 2009, 07:33:42 PM

I'd be very suspect of this product since IGF requires Acetic Acid for reconstitution and GH needs BW. The PH levels of the AA might have a serious negative effect on the GH. If the IGF wasn't reconstituted in AA then it's rendered pretty much useless after a few hours and all you are left with is the GH or whatever they put in there.

thx that is exactly what I was wondering, seems pretty far fetched for this to actually work in the end.

ozmrolympia · « **Reply #9 on:** April 29, 2009, 10:14:21 PM »

I have emailed Sandoz biopharm department and i am awaiting their reply. Will post once i have received that reply.

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #10 on:** April 30, 2009, 04:37:25 AM »

I'm sure there's no such legitimate product. Just by reading the label (long acting: 16 hours and etc).

Bodybuilders are stupid though and will take anything without checking.

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #11 on:** April 30, 2009, 04:42:48 AM »

Genotonorm is apparently a Phizer hGH product.

To my knowledge that form of IGF-1 has never been trialed in humans anywhere either.

Fake product for sure.

chainsaw · « **Reply #12 on:** April 30, 2009, 09:57:42 AM »

Sandoz is %100 good.
I get my test from cvs, and it is sandoz.

abc123 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 30, 2009, 10:13:58 AM »

Quote from: chainsaw on April 30, 2009, 09:57:42 AM

Sandoz is %100 good.
I get my test from cvs, and it is sandoz.

My GH (omnitrope) is made by sandoz.

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #14 on:** May 01, 2009, 12:10:47 AM »

Quote from: chainsaw on April 30, 2009, 09:57:42 AM

Sandoz is %100 good.
I get my test from cvs, and it is sandoz.

Who said Sandoz, the pharmaceutical manufacturer, was bad?

Emmortal · « **Reply #15 on:** May 01, 2009, 12:18:15 AM »

VB: Is that Danny Carey in your avatar?

Luv2Hurt · « **Reply #16 on:** May 01, 2009, 04:32:03 AM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on April 30, 2009, 04:37:25 AM

I'm sure there's no such legitimate product. Just by reading the label (long acting: 16 hours and etc).

Bodybuilders are stupid though and will take anything without checking.

Not crazy about about this generalization.

jon cole · « **Reply #17 on:** May 01, 2009, 04:40:28 AM »

it's a French product in fact but available in all europa, but to complicated to get in france.

and of course it's legit and it's rules !

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #18 on:** May 01, 2009, 07:39:29 AM »

Quote from: Emmortal on May 01, 2009, 12:18:15 AM

VB: Is that Danny Carey in your avatar?

No that's Aleister Crowley.

Quote from: Luv2Hurt on May 01, 2009, 04:32:03 AM

Not crazy about about this generalization.

It's a generalization for sure but counterfeiters wouldn't make products like this unless they could sell them. I remember years past when some good bb'ers I know bought some 600iu bottles of "pig growth hormone". God only knows what was in them but use it they did.

Just look at jon cole's post below and ozmrolympia's post on BoS

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Guys selling it are top notch and swear black and blue that it is genuine and not counterfeit.
Is manufactured by sandox under their biopharmaceuticals banner.
Currently being used by a top level Greek Bodybuilder who swears its top notch. I have personally seen him inject it and he is a close friend of mine.

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #19 on:** May 01, 2009, 07:43:00 AM »

Quote from: jon cole on May 01, 2009, 04:40:28 AM

it's a French product in fact but available in all europa, but to complicated to get in france.

and of course it's legit and it's rules !

If there was such a product you could find it with google, of that I'm sure.

Why would Sandoz use a name already in use? There's a ton of things that don't add up even at a first glance.

If you're sure this product exists as a legitimate drug made by Sandoz please show some evidence.

chainsaw · « **Reply #20 on:** May 01, 2009, 07:59:20 AM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on May 01, 2009, 07:43:00 AM

If there was such a product you could find it with google, of that I'm sure.

Why would Sandoz use a name already in use? There's a ton of things that don't add up even at a first glance.

If you're sure this product exists as a legitimate drug made by Sandoz please show some evidence.

Bro, trust me, sandoz is more than fine, I get it at a legit CVS pharmacy in the USA.
US pharmacy'e dont fuck around with bad shit.

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #21 on:** May 01, 2009, 08:07:06 AM »

Quote from: chainsaw on May 01, 2009, 07:59:20 AM

Bro, trust me, sandoz is more than fine, I get it at a legit CVS pharmacy in the USA.
US pharmacy'e dont fuck around with bad shit.

Dude!

No one's saying Sandoz isn't fine. This product isn't made by Sandoz, it's a fake drug! Get it?

Or are you really suggesting you know this particular product is fine?

Genotonorm is hGH made by Pfizer. This "Sandoz" Genotonorm contains IGF-1 in addition, in a form never researched for use in humans. And it's supposed to be on the commercial market now?

jtsunami · « **Reply #22 on:** May 01, 2009, 01:43:52 PM »

exactly, why the hell would a legit pharm company produce this product? It has no other use except for selling to bodybuilders no? Why would a regular person want both IGF and HGH in same vial?

? This just doesn't seem real.

jt

Big Rock. · « **Reply #23 on:** May 02, 2009, 08:07:39 AM »

I'm not sure that's what V.B. was saying.
I don't think that the 2 peptides can be mixed. Van can correct me if I'm wrong, but it's either 191 or 192aa, can't be both.

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #24 on:** May 02, 2009, 08:52:56 AM »

Quote from: Big Rock. on May 02, 2009, 08:07:39 AM

I'm not sure that's what V.B. was saying.
I don't think that the 2 peptides can be mixed. Van can correct me if I'm wrong, but it's either 191 or 192aa, can't be both.

It might be possible to mix the two (IGF and GH) and even have them stable in a pre-mixed solution but they wouldn't do that, for various reasons.

I'm not sure what you're getting at with the 191AA/192AA but that's correct, it's either or.

It's just so very obvious that it's a fake product, which makes my point about (many) bodybuilders being reckless and stupid. Probably sells well.