Guy about to be waterboarded on the radio in 10 - 15 minutes

[The True Adonis]

In the course of business, plenty of suspects have had the shit beaten out of them, to get info. Plenty of guys I know have shitbeat jihadi's to get info. Waterboarding worked, we have the memo's. If tickling them worked, I'd be for that.

Please provide evidence.

[Deicide]

In the course of business, plenty of suspects have had the shit beaten out of them, to get info. Plenty of guys I know have shitbeat jihadi's to get info. Waterboarding worked, we have the memo's. If tickling them worked, I'd be for that.

What about genital mutilation with a buzz saw? Would you be for that as well? (a genuine question)

[Eyeball Chambers]

I thought we were a civilized country.  I didn't know we needed to stoop to the level of third world dictators. 

[The True Adonis]

TA - what if in the ticking time bomb situation everything else failed and you knew that a plot was imminent???  

If everything failed, why would you assume that "waterboarding" would work?

[Deicide]

I thought we were a civilized country.  I didn't know we needed to stoop to the level of third world dictators. 

I don't think a buzz saw to the testicles would produce reliable information, do you?

[headhuntersix]

Please provide evidence.

Tell u what...go down to ur vfw and ask any of them if they ever pulled a pistol in combat and extracted info. I don't have to prove shit...u want proof. Enlist and become an interrogator.

[tu_holmes]

I dont play word games like you do.  I dont think it is torture, but I would not care if they did worse if it saves thousands of lives from some muslim savage from seeking allah along with 100k of our citizens. 

I think Jesse is right... The only people who say it's not torture are the people who have never been water-boarded.

[Soul Crusher]

I think Jesse is right... The only people who say it's not torture are the people who have never been water-boarded.

I am saying it might be torture, and even so, i still have no problem with it.

The difference is that during Vietnam, the vietcong did not have the means, plans, or desire or try to kill 100k of our own citizens.

I live right near Manhattan and used to be able to see the WTC from my hood.  The only reason we did not lose 50,000 people on 9/11 was luck.

During most days at normal hours the TEIN Towers had about 50k people in them. 

If that were to happen, literally in the snap of a fingers, the same amount of soldiers who were lost in Vietnam would have been killed on 9/11.

What i am saying, for me personally, I have no problem with torturing someone if everything else did not work and he had in custody we knew knew of the plot and it was underway. 

       

[tu_holmes]

I am saying it might be torture, and even so, i still have no problem with it.

What i am saying, for me personally, I have no problem with torturing someone if everything else did not work and he had in custody we knew knew of the plot and it was underway. 

      

Fine, but just admit it's torture and you're ok with it.

At least you're being honest about it... I have no problem there.

I don't agree, but hell, that's nothing new. I don't agree with most people about most shit anyway... I think it's wrong and think it's sad that the country with the most military might, most intelligence, most high tech equipment on the planet has to resort to torture methods to get information.

Why the hell am I paying for all of those wiretapping devices and satellite surveillance systems then?

[Fury]

What about genital mutilation with a buzz saw? Would you be for that as well? (a genuine question)

Muslim extremists are known for removing the genitalia of their torture victims.

Feel free to dig up the video of the Russian soldier who has his balls cut off, shoved in his mouth and was then beheaded by Muslims because he was captured and wouldn't convert.

They're also known to gouge eyes out, amputate limbs, use electrical shocks and also employ host of other techniques. AQI even went so far as to cut a man's face off with piano wire as a means of making an example of him.

[The True Adonis]

Muslim extremists are known for removing the genitalia of their torture victims.

Feel free to dig up the video of the Russian soldier who has his balls cut off, shoved in his mouth and was then beheaded by Muslims because he was captured and wouldn't convert.

They're also known to gouge eyes out, amputate limbs, use electrical shocks and also employ host of other techniques. AQI even went so far as to cut a man's face off with piano wire as a means of making an example of him.

Did they get valuable intel from torturing the Russian Soldier?

[boonasty]

Did they get valuable intel from torturing the Russian Soldier?

it was too hard for him to talk with balls in his mouth.   you should know that

[Soul Crusher]

Did they get valuable intel from torturing the Russian Soldier?

They were not doing it for intel. They did it for fun and to pursue their cult religion. 

[Deicide]

Muslim extremists are known for removing the genitalia of their torture victims.

Feel free to dig up the video of the Russian soldier who has his balls cut off, shoved in his mouth and was then beheaded by Muslims because he was captured and wouldn't convert.

They're also known to gouge eyes out, amputate limbs, use electrical shocks and also employ host of other techniques. AQI even went so far as to cut a man's face off with piano wire as a means of making an example of him.

If we left the Muslims on their own they would butcher each other and we would have fewer problems for it.

[The True Adonis]

They were not doing it for intel. They did it for fun and to pursue their cult religion. 

Do you think that technique is a good one for extracting valuable information though?

[Soul Crusher]

If we left the Muslims on their own they would butcher each other and we would have fewer problems for it.

However, because we refuse to drill for our own oil, we are dependent on that part of the world for oil and will continue the current charade.    

[Deicide]

However, because we refuse to drill for our own oil, we are dependent on that part of the world for oil and will continue the current charade.    

No more than any other country that just buys it off the market. We could do it too.

[Soul Crusher]

Do you think that technique is a good one for extracting valuable information though?

I dont think so because you are inflicting damage on a person to the point they probably cant function.  Waterboarding does not physically cripple or permanently mangle a person.  

I want to do what works to get intel.  If the CIA and FBI tell me that it did work and they have proof of it and that it saved my life and yours I have no problem with it at all.  None.  Not a drop.

The only reason we have to entertain even waterboarding people is because they are intent on killing us.  We are not doing this for fun.      

[The True Adonis]

However, because we refuse to drill for our own oil, we are dependent on that part of the world for oil and will continue the current charade.    

We have only 8 years of oil under our soil given our current rate of usage.  This is not a solution whatsoever.

[Soul Crusher]

We have only 8 years of oil under our soil given our current rate of usage.  This is not a solution whatsoever.

Thats more nonsense.  We have enough Oil,. natural gas, etc, to be completely self reliant. 

We also need more nucs.

[240 is Back]

We also need more nucs.

WE have enough to blow up the world many times over.

You believe Obama should continue borrowing and spending billions to keep on piling up weapons we'll never use?

[Soul Crusher]

WE have enough to blow up the world many times over.

You believe Obama should continue borrowing and spending billions to keep on piling up weapons we'll never use?

No, just enough to get whatever job we need done. 

[The True Adonis]

Thats more nonsense.  We have enough Oil,. natural gas, etc, to be completely self reliant. 

We also need more nucs.

Our Reserves are only viable for 8 years. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves

[kcballer]

The problem i have with this torture is simple.  By torturing you create more violence, you may as well kill the people you've tortured whether they gave any information or not because they sure as hell are not going to like the US if they are ever released.  It creates a system where these 'enemy combatants' will never, ever be rehabilitated.  There may be a chance of that never happening anyway but with torture you slam that door shut for good.

3333 since you support the torture of 'enemy combatants' what are your feelings about the Viet Cong torturing US citizens.  Was that a justified act by them if they were trying to extract information that could potentially save 1000's of Vietnamese lives?  I'd really like to hear your opinion on this.

[Soul Crusher]

The problem i have with this torture is simple.  By torturing you create more violence, you may as well kill the people you've tortured whether they gave any information or not because they sure as hell are not going to like the US if they are ever released.  It creates a system where these 'enemy combatants' will never, ever be rehabilitated.  There may be a chance of that never happening anyway but with torture you slam that door shut for good.

3333 since you support the torture of 'enemy combatants' what are your feelings about the Viet Cong torturing US citizens.  Was that a justified act by them if they were trying to extract information that could potentially save 1000's of Vietnamese lives?  I'd really like to hear your opinion on this.

I am not someone who is giddy to torture people, however, what I am saying is that if he have someone in custody who we know has knowledge about an imminent attakc that has the potential to kill thousdands of people, may tens of thousands of people, and nothing else worked, I would not be against doing what we had to do to get the info, such as waterboarding.