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insulin timing and questions
« on: September 14, 2009, 06:00:02 AM »
Hi,

So couple of questions.

What is the best timing to use insulin (for muscle gain) after workout;first thing in the morning ?

What is the role of insulin during the workout ? Since we are using a lot Glucose while training so is insulin produced or is it the glucagon produced ?

Hope I'm clear with my english.

Thanks all
J

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Re: insulin timing and questions
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2009, 10:38:44 AM »
after workout...15iu... make shake of 150g carbs,20g glutamin, 60 g isolate prot and 10mg creatin..shot it asap after gym...wait 15 minutes and drink 1/2 drink..then wait next 15 minutes and drink rest..after next 30 minutes..eat home rice and meat! no fat at all all that time

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Re: insulin timing and questions
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2009, 04:12:05 PM »
60 grams of whey at one time is a waste of protein. no need for more than 20 grams of whey

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Re: insulin timing and questions
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2009, 05:54:36 PM »
60 grams of whey at one time is a waste of protein. no need for more than 20 grams of whey

Fuck dude, stop reading my mind!! We seriously think so similar it's shocking!!

In any event, I also just take 1 scoop of protein when using slin. Glucose is what you need after a workout. A little protein with aminogen or added BCAAs should be taken too - cheap enough that you shouldn't opt out.

Try 10g of carbs for every unit of slin. Become comfortable with that and once you get over 10iu, you'll find that you don't need quite as much carbs. I find that 7-8g of carbs per iu of slin is fine for most, although I've personally gone lower. Get very comfortable with your slin usage, then start taking about 15iu post workout.

As a tiny tit, I found that 10iu wasn't an efficacious dose. It may help, but for what you're doing it's not worth it. Use more slin or don't bother using it. I like 8-10iu post cardio in the morning and 15iu post workout. I take about 100-120g of carbs, about 80% high GI and some low GI. Contrary to popular belief, I don't think a little fat is harmful either. Ideally it should be avoided for consistency purposes, but a couple grams of fat is not going to kill you and add slabs of fat to your ass. Consuming slin and tons of carbs will, plain and simple. Just connect the dots and forget the bro science.


Try cycling slin on and off once you become familiar with it. I'd recommend a BSL monitor for a first timer, not so much for safety concerns but to know how much slin and carbs are really appropriate. It's important to play it safe, but it's also important to not become a fat mess. You don't want a ton of fat, especially visceral fat to add up before you realize that your slin regimen is doing more bad than good. Lots of good bros just become fat so make sure you're using an amount of carbs that's in alignment with your slin dose and work from there.

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Re: insulin timing and questions
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2009, 09:25:56 AM »
Fuck dude, stop reading my mind!! We seriously think so similar it's shocking!!



As a tiny tit, I found that 10iu wasn't an efficacious dose. It may help, but for what you're doing it's not worth it. Use more slin or don't bother using it.

Contrary to popular belief, I don't think a little fat is harmful either.

-lol

-agreed.

-i think the issue here is that digestion takes a while. fat will take a few hours to be in the blood, and by that time slin will be inactive.  no fat ingestion BEFORE is probably more important for avoidiing fat gain.

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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2009, 02:34:30 PM »
-lol

-agreed.

-i think the issue here is that digestion takes a while. fat will take a few hours to be in the blood, and by that time slin will be inactive.  no fat ingestion BEFORE is probably more important for avoidiing fat gain.

Yup. I allot up to 12g of carbs PWO with slin. Prior to my workout I have a protein shake at work and carbs only if I've been low carving it that day. Protein is casein, whey, and milk protein isolates.

All this slin talk is making me nuts. I have some 'log in the fridge that's begging to be used.

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Re: insulin timing and questions
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2009, 03:48:42 PM »
Yup. I allot up to 12g of carbs PWO with slin. Prior to my workout I have a protein shake at work and carbs only if I've been low carving it that day. Protein is casein, whey, and milk protein isolates.

All this slin talk is making me nuts. I have some 'log in the fridge that's begging to be used.
[/quoteyeah me too. ive been cutting for about a month on hgih dosed t3 and tren and i am getting sick workouts but im not growing because of the t3..im lenqain out nicely but i am furious to get some size..and i have test tren dbol halo and humalog...all unlimited.  :D  i just asked my gf/fiance if she'd mind if i stopped dieting now and started bulking....knowing that id get fat by the time it was time to cut down....   she' fine with it so i think im gonna start piling on the meat...

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Re: insulin timing and questions
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2009, 10:34:22 PM »
you dont understand..60g in drink..but first 1/2 drink you take 15 minutes after shot..wait 15 minuts and then again..its how MILOŠ SARCEV do it

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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2009, 11:47:53 PM »
even if you waited an hour... its still a waste..  and why take whey after your shot? whey will take a few hours to fully digest, by that time yoru humalog wont be active...

btw milos sarcev is a joke, tries to overcomplicate issues by using terms people will think indicate he is intelligent.. he doesnt know anything about endocrinology, nutrition, bio mechanics..etc... that couldnt be found in a 5 second google search...and he is outright wrong at times as well...



20g whey is all you need to fully optimize protein synthesis..regardless of how big you are how hard you trained or how much gear your on

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Re: insulin timing and questions
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2009, 07:55:38 AM »
I agree i wouldn't listen to everything Milos says like some of these guys on here would

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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2009, 02:10:04 PM »
On top of all that, he let's his secret information leak out to promote the sale of his amino acids and carb products. Very shifty. Acts all secretive and let's his magic slin formula get to the confused masses.