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Arthur Jones - A Genius or an Idiot?
« on: December 20, 2009, 02:27:40 PM »
Arthur Jones trained Arnold, Sergio, Viator, The Mentzers and others. Could it be that Nautilus and HIT was just a marketing ploy? Discuss.

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Re: Arthur Jones - A Genius or an Idiot?
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2009, 02:28:30 PM »
Genius.
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Re: Arthur Jones - A Genius or an Idiot?
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2009, 02:49:26 PM »
Quote from: Mr Nobody on December 20, 2009, 02:27:40 PM
Arthur Jones trained Arnold, Sergio, Viator, The Mentzers and others. Could it be that Nautilus and HIT was just a marketing ploy? Discuss.



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Re: Arthur Jones - A Genius or an Idiot?
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2009, 02:55:31 PM »
Quote from: Mr Nobody on December 20, 2009, 02:27:40 PM
Arthur Jones trained Arnold, Sergio, Viator, The Mentzers and others. Could it be that Nautilus and HIT was just a marketing ploy? Discuss.


I think the theory of less is more is spot on  , most do way to much in the gym , it had been championed for years by Jones and the Mentzers but it took Dorian to fianaly get the message across.
Though Dorians way is not identicle to what mentzer says to do it is along the same line of thinking and is better imo.

Nautilus = sh1t though. HIT with mainly freeweights is best.
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Re: Arthur Jones - A Genius or an Idiot?
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2009, 03:00:55 PM »
Quote from: WillGrant on December 20, 2009, 02:55:31 PM
I think the theory of less is more is spot on  , most do way to much in the gym , it had been championed for years by Jones and the Mentzers but it took Dorian to fianaly get the message across.
Though Dorians way is not identicle to what mentzer says to do it is along the same line of thinking and is better imo.

Nautilus = sh1t though. HIT with mainly freeweights is best.
X2 - My thoughts as well, I think Dorrian combined the Jones/Mentzer style HIT training obviously we we know his success. Alot of bodybuilders are gym rats that just like being in the gym 7 days a week so the HIT style isnt appealing to them mentally but I think most would do better with less time and higher intensity.
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Re: Arthur Jones - A Genius or an Idiot?
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2009, 03:09:45 PM »
there isnt much time difference from 20 reps to failure or 5 reps to failure
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Re: Arthur Jones - A Genius or an Idiot?
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2009, 03:38:31 PM »
Johnny Falcon  - A Genius or an Idiot?
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Re: Arthur Jones - A Genius or an Idiot?
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2009, 03:43:36 PM »
Quote from: wes on December 20, 2009, 03:38:31 PM
Johnny Falcon  - A Genius or an Idiot?

Idiot. 
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Re: Arthur Jones - A Genius or an Idiot?
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2009, 03:45:26 PM »
Quote from: wes on December 20, 2009, 03:38:31 PM
Johnny Falcon  - A Genius or an Idiot?

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Re: Arthur Jones - A Genius or an Idiot?
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2009, 03:53:02 PM »
JF and Daddy Waddy the persona is all an act , the person behind these online personas is actualy a very bright and quick witted funny guy.The persona may be an idiot but the guy in control of it is not  ;)
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Re: Arthur Jones - A Genius or an Idiot?
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2009, 04:14:50 PM »
genius in marketing...

nautilus went to shit after he sold it and he was smart enough to start med-X and bankroll his son to start hammer strength.
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Re: Arthur Jones - A Genius or an Idiot?
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2009, 04:16:12 PM »
arthur jones was definately a VERY smart guy but he sure as hell wasnt perfect. also alot of his ideas were later bastardized by HIT nutcases (yes includes mentzer, specially when he came back on the personal training scene after his difficult years) and made more extrem than he advocated.,

arthur jones had many good ideas, but he was wrong about several things too.
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Re: Arthur Jones - A Genius or an Idiot?
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2009, 04:20:08 PM »
 some of the nautilus machines where very good. some where not good.

also if your gonna discuss HIT, you must exactly explain what kind of HIT you are discussing. the most extreme low volume variants of HIT have been disproven by science and real world results.

as for dorian yates, he isa drug user and you can not use his training to draw any conclusions..other than that drugs work and he had good genetics.
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Re: Arthur Jones - A Genius or an Idiot?
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2009, 04:23:03 PM »
I heard he was a racist...discuss
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Re: Arthur Jones - A Genius or an Idiot?
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2009, 04:46:16 PM »
Quote from: nolotil on December 20, 2009, 04:16:12 PM
arthur jones was definately a VERY smart guy but he sure as hell wasnt perfect. also alot of his ideas were later bastardized by HIT nutcases (yes includes mentzer, specially when he came back on the personal training scene after his difficult years) and made more extrem than he advocated.,

arthur jones had many good ideas, but he was wrong about several things too.
X2 he had many good ideas some failed
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Re: Arthur Jones - A Genius or an Idiot?
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2009, 04:51:36 PM »
Quote from: WillGrant on December 20, 2009, 03:53:02 PM
JF and Daddy Waddy the persona is all an act , the person behind these online personas is actualy a very bright and quick witted funny guy.The persona may be an idiot but the guy in control of it is not  ;)
So are you saying that he is not really the blonde 6'6 painter who wears piss stained underwear, and his jeans are always torn and messed up?
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Re: Arthur Jones - A Genius or an Idiot?
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2009, 04:59:51 PM »
none of you bros would like me in real life you would all end up being jealous and telling me how worthless i am while i tell you somethings about yourself not in a condescending way but a more truthful master way, id ask for proof of your rippedness if you are so smart, many couldnot delever and result to deconstruction of friendly bonds as a sort of closure to your evening
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Re: Arthur Jones - A Genius or an Idiot?
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2009, 05:09:19 PM »
I guess you showed us Johnny !!   ;D
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Re: Arthur Jones - A Genius or an Idiot?
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2009, 05:12:14 PM »
Quote from: Johnny Falcon on December 20, 2009, 04:59:51 PM
none of you bros would like me in real life you would all end up being jealous and telling me how worthless i am while i tell you somethings about yourself not in a condescending way but a more truthful master way, id ask for proof of your rippedness if you are so smart, many couldnot delever and result to deconstruction of friendly bonds as a sort of closure to your evening
Being ripped = being smart?
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Re: Arthur Jones - A Genius or an Idiot?
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2009, 09:48:01 PM »
Quote from: Johnny Falcon on December 20, 2009, 04:59:51 PM
none of you bros would like me in real life you would all end up being jealous and telling me how worthless i am while i tell you somethings about yourself not in a condescending way but a more truthful master way, id ask for proof of your rippedness if you are so smart, many couldnot delever and result to deconstruction of friendly bonds as a sort of closure to your evening
I was being kind  ???
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Re: Arthur Jones - A Genius or an Idiot?
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2009, 10:21:47 PM »
Quote from: chaos on December 20, 2009, 05:12:14 PM
Being ripped = being smart?

I was going to say, but I digress....


I think Arthur Jones was on the right track with his theories, but zigged when he should have zagged later on down the line.....
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Re: Arthur Jones - A Genius or an Idiot?
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2009, 11:17:28 PM »
Has anyone witnessed Arthur Jones shredded glutes, which were scuplted on his nautilus machines?
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Re: Arthur Jones - A Genius or an Idiot?
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2009, 03:43:08 AM »
Quote from: WillGrant on December 20, 2009, 09:48:01 PM
I was being kind  ???
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Re: Arthur Jones - A Genius or an Idiot?
« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2009, 03:54:15 AM »
Quote from: WillGrant on December 20, 2009, 02:55:31 PM
I think the theory of less is more is spot on  , most do way to much in the gym , it had been championed for years by Jones and the Mentzers but it took Dorian to fianaly get the message across.
Though Dorians way is not identicle to what mentzer says to do it is along the same line of thinking and is better imo.

Nautilus = sh1t though. HIT with mainly freeweights is best.

I agree also. But then, what works for some doesn't for others. I think Jones (and Mentzer's) theories, though sometimes a bit too radical, work if you're willing to make a few adjustments according to how your body reacts. It works specially well for naturals. Most people I've seen bash Jones and Mentzer were juicers.
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Re: Arthur Jones - A Genius or an Idiot?
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2009, 05:47:59 AM »
Quote from: Mr Nobody on December 20, 2009, 02:27:40 PM
Arthur Jones trained Arnold, Sergio, Viator, The Mentzers and others. Could it be that Nautilus and HIT was just a marketing ploy? Discuss.



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