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Re: Brock Lesnar: Canadian Health Care System is from the Third World
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2010, 03:29:22 PM »
Of course, that was back in '81 and I'd like to think that we've improved significantly in the last 30 or so years.
No, the IOM was from 2000 and the trend has been constant.

There is a more recent study about to come out showing the conditions a bit worse.  :-\


With over 200,000 unnecessary deaths PER YEAR, patients should have some rights with the ability to seek damages and recourse.  Don`t you think?

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Re: Brock Lesnar: Canadian Health Care System is from the Third World
« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2010, 03:34:40 PM »


Working with the most conservative figures from our statistics we project the following 10-year death rates.

Medical Intervention

Projected Ten-Year Death Rates
Condition   10-Year Deaths
Adverse Drug Reaction    1.06 million
Medical error    0.98 million
Bedsores    1.15 million
Nosocomial Infection    0.88 million
Malnutrition   1.09 million
Outpatients    1.99 million
Unnecessary Procedures    371,360
Surgery-related    320,000
TOTAL   7,841,360 (7.8 million)

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Re: Brock Lesnar: Canadian Health Care System is from the Third World
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2010, 03:35:48 PM »
Our projected statistic of 7.8 million iatrogenic deaths is more than all the casualties from wars that America has fought in its entire history.

Our projected figures for unnecessary medical events occurring over a 10-year period are also dramatic.

Unnecessary Intervention

Projected Ten-Year Statistics
Unnecessary Events   10-Year Number   Iatrogenic Events
Hospitalization   89 million   17 million
Procedures   75 million   13 million
TOTAL   164 million   30 million

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Re: Brock Lesnar: Canadian Health Care System is from the Third World
« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2010, 03:36:36 PM »
These projected figures show that a total of 164 million people, approximately 56 percent of the population of the United States, have been treated unnecessarily by the medical industry—in other words, nearly 50,000 people per day.

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Re: Brock Lesnar: Canadian Health Care System is from the Third World
« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2010, 03:39:41 PM »
Having been misdiagnosed myself, yes I do think patients should have recourse.  And I was in a lot of pain as a result of the misdiagnosis.  I didn't sue though.

There should be a recourse for individuals, but these ridiculous punitive damages have to be balanced out.  Even when they're reduced by an appeals court, they're far too large.

Fair and just recourse is one thing.  Super inflated damages so some attorney can retire filthy rich is another.

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Re: Brock Lesnar: Canadian Health Care System is from the Third World
« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2010, 03:40:53 PM »
Table Of Iatrogenic Deaths In The United States
(Deaths induced inadvertently by a physician or surgeon or by medical treatment or diagnostic procedures)

Condition   Deaths   Cost   Author
Adverse Drug Reactions   106,000   $12 billion   Lazarou (1) Suh (49)
Medical error   98,000    $2 billion    IOM (6)
Bedsores   115,000   $55 billion   Xakellis (7) Barczak (8)
Infection   88,000   $5 billion   Weinstein (9) MMWR (10)
Malnutrition    108,800   —    Nurses Coalition (11)
Outpatients   199,000   $77 billion   Starfield ( 12) Weingart (1, 12)
Unnecessary Procedures   37,136    $122 billion   HCUP(3, 13)
Surgery-Related    32,000    $9 billion   AHRQ(85)
TOTAL   783,936   $282 billion
We could have an even higher death rate by using Dr. Lucien Leape's 1997 medical and drug error rate of 3 million. (14) Multiplied by the fatality rate of 14 percent (that Leape used in 1994 (16) we arrive at an annual death rate of 420,000 for drug errors and medical errors combined. If we put this number in place of Lazorou's 106,000 drug errors and the Institute of Medicine's (IOM) 98,000 medical errors, we could add another 216,000 deaths making a total of 999,936 deaths annually.

ADR/med error    420,000   $200 billion    Leape 1997(14)
TOTAL    999,936
Annual Unnecessary Medical Events

Unnecessary Events   People Affected   Iatrogenic Events
Hospitalization   8.9 million(4)   1.78 million(16)
Procedures   7.5 million(3)   1.3 million(40)
TOTAL   16.4 million   3.08 million
The enumerating of unnecessary medical events is very important in our analysis. Any medical procedure that is invasive and not necessary must be considered as part of the larger iatrogenic picture. Unfortunately, cause and effect go unmonitored. The figures on unnecessary events represent people ("patients") who are thrust into a dangerous health care system. They are helpless victims. Each one of these 16.4 million lives is being affected in a way that could have a fatal consequence. Simply entering a hospital could result in the following (out of 16. 4 million people):

2.1 percent chance of a serious adverse drug reaction (186,000) (1)
5 percent to 6 percent chance of acquiring a nosocomial [hospital] infection (489,500) (9)
4 percent to 36 percent chance of having an iatrogenic injury in hospital (medical error and adverse drug reactions) (1.78 million) (16)
17 percent chance of a procedure error (1.3 million) (40)


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Re: Brock Lesnar: Canadian Health Care System is from the Third World
« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2010, 03:42:57 PM »
Having been misdiagnosed myself, yes I do think patients should have recourse.  And I was in a lot of pain as a result of the misdiagnosis.  I didn't sue though.

There should be a recourse for individuals, but these ridiculous punitive damages have to be balanced out.  Even when they're reduced by an appeals court, they're far too large.

Fair and just recourse is one thing.  Super inflated damages so some attorney can retire filthy rich is another.
Sorry to hear about the medical problem.  Can you tell me what happened.  I am really interested in hearing about your experience.  How it happened, why it happened and how could it have been prevented and what was the final result?

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« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2010, 03:53:39 PM »
Sorry to hear about the medical problem.  Can you tell me what happened.  I am really interested in hearing about your experience.  How it happened, why it happened and how could it have been prevented and what was the final result?


Eh, not big on going too much into it.  It wasn't life threatening, just very painful. 

Went to the doctor, he evaluated me in about all of 3 minutes, said I had "X" and gave me a prescription.  About 2 weeks later (and tons pain), I said fuck it, and decided to go to a specialist.  Had to wait 30 days to get in with the specialist, so that just prolonged the pain, lol.

Anyway, the specialist spent more time with me, correctly diagnosed the problem, got me into surgery, and all has been well ever since.

I never bothered to pursue it with the general practitioner.

The real issue is what's the solution?   These punitive damages have a ripple effect and make healthcare more expensive for everybody.  So we need to ensure that physicians are justly held accountable for their actions, but at the same time, not drive up costs for everybody else.

While we've been posting, I've been reading this stuff on the net.  Very intriguing and your argument is convincing.

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Re: Brock Lesnar: Canadian Health Care System is from the Third World
« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2010, 04:12:58 PM »
Doctors are human.Its funny we can sue them for misdiagnosis,but we cant sue the government for the same thing.How many misdiagnosis' have they come up with.Obama should be sued for ,malpractice claiming his assanine stimulous bill would keep unemployment at 8%.He only helped kill the economy.
well muthafuckin bush should have been sued for his misdiagnosis of iraq and the wmds....how about that?

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Re: Brock Lesnar: Canadian Health Care System is from the Third World
« Reply #34 on: January 21, 2010, 04:19:45 PM »
Ok... i would like to chime in a bit...and some of the docs on board can attest...Im just gonna say. The one doc in the US that messed up the DX is getting a bad rap in this. There isnt some easy check list that goes along with dxing Gastro. Symptoms blend and cover a wide range. Coupled with the urgency of the illness, without being Freaking Dr House...you sometines are hasty and maybe the initial dx was most consistant with the symptoms and tests...

I sounds like im defending, and if i wasnt in school i would agree with TA maybe...but its not as cut and dry as you think.  Its not like radiology of upper extremity to show a broken humorous..its a bit more tricky

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« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2010, 05:19:42 PM »

Eh, not big on going too much into it.  It wasn't life threatening, just very painful. 

Went to the doctor, he evaluated me in about all of 3 minutes, said I had "X" and gave me a prescription.  About 2 weeks later (and tons pain), I said fuck it, and decided to go to a specialist.  Had to wait 30 days to get in with the specialist, so that just prolonged the pain, lol.

Anyway, the specialist spent more time with me, correctly diagnosed the problem, got me into surgery, and all has been well ever since.

I never bothered to pursue it with the general practitioner.

The real issue is what's the solution?   These punitive damages have a ripple effect and make healthcare more expensive for everybody.  So we need to ensure that physicians are justly held accountable for their actions, but at the same time, not drive up costs for everybody else.

While we've been posting, I've been reading this stuff on the net.  Very intriguing and your argument is convincing.
That 30 day waiting period must have been brutal.

A lot of physicians just consult the PDR for a few minutes and then "diagnose".   Worse than a a WebMD search. lol

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Re: Brock Lesnar: Canadian Health Care System is from the Third World
« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2010, 05:24:05 PM »
That 30 day waiting period must have been brutal.

A lot of physicians just consult the PDR for a few minutes and then "diagnose".   Worse than a a WebMD search. lol


LOL....I wont deny that might happen...but its not as cut and dry as you think bro.

Bu i wouldnt doubt that they look at the desk reference and just match up the symptoms...but when your group of symptoms yeild a wide range of possible dx's...it gets tricky...but i know some docs might rush.

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Re: Brock Lesnar: Canadian Health Care System is from the Third World
« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2010, 05:51:25 PM »
Brock Lesnar can suck by big Canadian cock!

The World Health Organization's ranking
of the world's health systems

Rank    Country

1         France
2         Italy
3         San Marino
4         Andorra
5         Malta
6         Singapore
7         Spain
8         Oman
9         Austria
10        Japan
11        Norway
12        Portugal
13        Monaco
14        Greece
15        Iceland
16        Luxembourg
17        Netherlands
18        United  Kingdom
19        Ireland
20        Switzerland
21        Belgium
22        Colombia
23        Sweden
24        Cyprus
25        Germany
26        Saudi Arabia
27        United  Arab  Emirates
28        Israel
29        Morocco
30        Canada
31        Finland
32        Australia
33        Chile
34        Denmark
35        Dominica
36        Costa Rica
37        United States of America
38        Slovenia
39        Cuba
40        Brunei
41        New Zealand
42        Bahrain
43        Croatia
44        Qatar
45        Kuwait
46        Barbados
47        Thailand
48        Czech Republic
49        Malaysia
50        Poland


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Re: Brock Lesnar: Canadian Health Care System is from the Third World
« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2010, 06:03:12 PM »
During the health-care debate, one damning statistic keeps popping up in newspaper columns and letters, on cable television and in politicians' statements: The U.S. ranks 37th in the world in health care.

The trouble is, the ranking is dated and flawed, and has contributed to misconceptions about the quality of the U.S. medical system.

Among all the numbers bandied about in the health-care debate, this ranking stands out as particularly misleading. It is based on a report released nearly a decade ago by the World Health Organization and relies on statistics that are even older and incomplete.

Few people who cite the ranking are aware that some public-health officials were skeptical of the report from the outset. The ranking was faulted because it judges health-care systems for problems -- cultural, behavioral, economic -- that aren't controlled by health care.

"It's a very notorious ranking," says Mark Pearson, head of health for the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, the 30-member, Paris-based organization of the world's largest economies. "Health analysts don't like to talk about it in polite company. It's one of those things that we wish would go away."

“ The study is both flawed and dated, but that does not necessarily mean that we are doing better on health care than the study indicates. ” — David Beemer

More recent efforts to rank national health systems have been inconclusive. On measures such as child mortality and life expectancy, the U.S. has slipped since the 2000 rankings. But some researchers say that factors beyond the control of the health-care system are to blame, such as dietary habits. Studies that have attempted to exclude these factors from the equation don't agree on whether the U.S. system looks better or worse.

The WHO ranking was ambitious in its scope, grading each nation's health care on five factors. Two of these were relatively uncontroversial: health level, which is roughly the average healthy lifespan of a nation's residents; and responsiveness, which is a sort of customer-service rating encompassing factors such as the system's speed, choice and quality of amenities. The other three measure inequality in health-care outcomes; responsiveness; and individual spending.

These last three measures struck some analysts as problematic, because a country with unhealthy people could rank above a healthier one where there was a bigger gap between healthy and unhealthy people. It is certainly possible that spreading health care as evenly as possible makes a society healthier, but the rankings struck some health-care researchers as assuming that, rather than demonstrating it.

An even bigger problem was shared by all five of these factors: The underlying data about each nation generally weren't available. So WHO researchers calculated the relationship between those factors and other, available numbers, such as literacy rates and income inequality. Such measures, they argued, were linked closely to health in those countries where fuller health data were available. Even though there was no way to be sure that link held in other countries, they used these literacy and income data to estimate health performance.

Philip Musgrove, the editor-in-chief of the WHO report that accompanied the rankings, calls the figures that resulted from this step "so many made-up numbers," and the result a "nonsense ranking." Dr. Musgrove, an economist who is now deputy editor of the journal Health Affairs, says he was hired to edit the report's text but didn't fully understand the methodology until after the report was released. After he left the WHO, he wrote an article in 2003 for the medical journal Lancet criticizing the rankings as "meaningless."

The objects of his criticism, including Christopher Murray, who oversaw the ranking for the WHO, responded in a letter to the Lancet arguing that WHO "has an obligation to provide the best available evidence in a timely manner to Member States and the scientific community." It also credited the report with achieving its "original intent" of stimulating debate and focus on health systems.

Prof. Murray, now director of the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington, Seattle, says that "the biggest problem was just data" -- or the lack thereof, in many cases. He says the rankings are now "very old," and acknowledges they contained a lot of uncertainty. His institute is seeking to produce its own rankings in the next three years. The data limitations hampering earlier work "are why groups like ours are so focused on trying to get rankings better."

A WHO spokesman says the organization has no plans to update the rankings, and adds, "We would not consider it current."

And yet many people apparently do. The 37th place ranking is often cited in today's overhaul debate, even though, in some ways, the U.S. actually ranked a lot higher. Specifically, it placed 15th overall, based on its performance in the five criteria. But for the most widely publicized form of its rankings, the WHO took the additional step of adjusting for national health expenditures per capita, to calculate each country's health-care bang for its bucks. Because the U.S. ranked first in spending, that adjustment pushed its ranking down to 37th. Dominica, Costa Rica and Morocco ranked 42nd, 45th and 94th before adjusting for spending levels, compared to the U.S.'s No. 15 ranking. After adjustment, all three countries ranked higher than the U.S.

Still, people often claim that the 37th-place ranking refers to quality or outcomes. High spending rates pushed the ranking down but didn't degrade the quality of care. Among those who have recently failed to make that distinction in published comments are Colorado Rep. Diana DeGette; Iowa Democratic Sen. Tom Harkin; and Margaret E. O'Kane, president of the National Committee for Quality Assurance, an advocacy group.

Representatives for Ms. DeGette and Mr. Harkin didn't respond to requests for comment. A spokeswoman for the National Committee for Quality Assurance said, "WHO is a respected organization. ...We have no reason to believe it is inaccurate, and we would never knowingly misrepresent or misuse another organization's data."

The flawed WHO report shouldn't obscure that the U.S. is lagging its peers in some major barometers of public health. For instance, the U.S. slipped from 18th to 24th in male life expectancy from 2000 to 2009, according to the United Nations, and from 28th to 35th in female life expectancy. Its rankings in preventing male and female under-5 mortality also fell, and placed in the 30s.

But even such analyses, more limited in scope than the WHO's effort, face similar problems: How to differentiate between the quality of the medical system and other factors, such as diet, exercise and violent-crime rates.

Some think that if the U.S. health-care system isn't responsible for troubling outcomes, trying to fix it doesn't provide the best return on investment.

"We might get more bang for the buck by setting aside some of our health-care money to support novel approaches to improve nutrition, education, exercise or public safety," says Alan Garber, an economist and professor of medicine at Stanford University. "Not every health problem has a medical solution."

Nor can everything be ranked -- especially health-care systems. "I think it's a fool's errand," says Dr. Musgrove.



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Re: Brock Lesnar: Canadian Health Care System is from the Third World
« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2010, 06:10:16 PM »
Dude, who cares?  Socialized health care is worthless.  I get ticked off everyday with my money going to help other people.  What about me, I work hard and see money going to people who don't deserve it.  Fact of the matter is, it works fine now, so leave it.  Obama will not be re elected and his healthcare bill will go down with him.

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« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2010, 11:08:25 AM »


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125608054324397621.html

...every single other country on that list has universal socialised (free access) healthcare.

Considering 1 in 6 Americans have NO access to healthcare, and even of those who DO, another 1 in 6 will be denied coverage for catastrophic illness (making healthcare bills the leading cause of bankruptcy)... perhaps that graph is a little overly optimistic.

I suppose it would be accurate if it was a graph of those who do receive care.

Just remember to subtract:
-the 50 million with no coverage
-the 13ish million illegals (insurers deny them routinely, as they have no legal recourse)
-the 2-3 million homeless (some of these might already be included in the 50 million uninsured)
-the proportion of the 1 in 8 Americans receiving food stamps, who DO have coverage but can't meet ANY deductible, or whose health insurance will run out (recently lost a covered job)

It's also not really fair to cite an article from the Wall Street Journal, a bought-and-paid-for propaganda mouthpiece working on behalf of the very same corporations (and corpocracy) who benefit from the injustice of the status quo.


Seriously, dude, do you really think the figures for the American healthcare system have IMPROVED since 1999? What would you base that on?

You don't think that Iceland (now bankrupt and undergoing a populist revolution) is still ranking 5th?


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Re: Brock Lesnar: Canadian Health Care System is from the Third World
« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2010, 11:13:51 AM »
...every single other country on that list has universal socialised (free access) healthcare.

Considering 1 in 6 Americans have NO access to healthcare, and even of those who DO, another 1 in 6 will be denied coverage for catastrophic illness (making healthcare bills the leading cause of bankruptcy)... perhaps that graph is a little overly optimistic.

I suppose it would be accurate if it was a graph of those who do receive care.

Just remember to subtract:
-the 50 million with no coverage
-the 13ish million illegals (insurers deny them routinely, as they have no legal recourse)
-the 2-3 million homeless (some of these might already be included in the 50 million uninsured)
-the proportion of the 1 in 8 Americans receiving food stamps, who DO have coverage but can't meet ANY deductible, or whose health insurance will run out (recently lost a covered job)

It's also not really fair to cite an article from the Wall Street Journal, a bought-and-paid-for propaganda mouthpiece working on behalf of the very same corporations (and corpocracy) who benefit from the injustice of the status quo.


Seriously, dude, do you really think the figures for the American healthcare system have IMPROVED since 1999? What would you base that on?

You don't think that Iceland (now bankrupt and undergoing a populist revolution) is still ranking 5th?


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Re: Brock Lesnar: Canadian Health Care System is from the Third World
« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2010, 12:30:37 PM »
I respect the debate about socialized medicine but if you look at # of total lawsuits in countries with socialized medicine, they are a fraction of the cases here in the U.S. and for good reasons (mainly cost control).  Of course patients should have recourse when there is gross neglegence, but that is not the case in many trials. 
Our system encourages lawyers to sue and to push for outlandish damages.  The costs are passed down to the people, including: costs of defensive medicine, legal defense costs, malpractice costs for all providers, settlements, awarded damages, ect.  There is no current penalty for bad lawsuits and every time a doctor is named in a suit, their insurance goes up.  Makes no sense.  Many lawyers take a borderline case and sue hospitals and multiple docs because they know they someone will settle.  Also, they sue as many people as possible, which places more financial burden on the system and incurs more legal cost for all.
We need real overall malpractice reform.

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Re: Brock Lesnar: Canadian Health Care System is from the Third World
« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2010, 12:48:28 PM »
You do realize that he was ill at a hunting lodge in the middle of nowhere, 3 hours away from the nearest major medical facility.  I could take you to plenty of locations in North Carolina, specifically the Appalachian region that you would be aghast at the medical facilities or lack thereof.and then there is this:

Lesnar admitted his U.S. health-care adventure wasn't all perfect, telling reporters that he was initially thought to be suffering from a case of mononucleosis.

If he would have stuck with that initialUNITED STATES diagnosis, he would have died.

Not true.  I grew up in WNC and the facilites were fine.....in-fact the hospital in Asheville is very good......so name me one town in WNC that has these facilities that I would be "aghast at" or "lack thereof."  And don't try to bullshit, as I've at least visited almost every town west of Asheville.....

In fact the worst facility BY FAR is on the Cherokee reservation, and guess who runs that one?  It's so bad, many of the indians leave the res and pay out of pocket to avoid it.

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Re: Brock Lesnar: Canadian Health Care System is from the Third World
« Reply #44 on: January 24, 2010, 03:01:58 PM »
There is no such thing as free healthcare.

Agreed. But why do you conservatives insist upon paying retail... the rest of the civilized world pays wholesale.


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Re: Brock Lesnar: Canadian Health Care System is from the Third World
« Reply #45 on: January 24, 2010, 03:24:22 PM »
Not true.  I grew up in WNC and the facilites were fine.....in-fact the hospital in Asheville is very good......so name me one town in WNC that has these facilities that I would be "aghast at" or "lack thereof."  And don't try to bullshit, as I've at least visited almost every town west of Asheville.....

In fact the worst facility BY FAR is on the Cherokee reservation, and guess who runs that one?  It's so bad, many of the indians leave the res and pay out of pocket to avoid it.
Try getting surgery in Hiddenite.  That place is a shithole.

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Re: Brock Lesnar: Canadian Health Care System is from the Third World
« Reply #46 on: January 24, 2010, 03:26:42 PM »
Not true.  I grew up in WNC and the facilites were fine.....in-fact the hospital in Asheville is very good......so name me one town in WNC that has these facilities that I would be "aghast at" or "lack thereof."  And don't try to bullshit, as I've at least visited almost every town west of Asheville.....

In fact the worst facility BY FAR is on the Cherokee reservation, and guess who runs that one?  It's so bad, many of the indians leave the res and pay out of pocket to avoid it.
Why are you bringing Asheville into this.  Asheville has a lot of wealth and is a wonderful center for the arts.  The gay population is enormous and is very well off.

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Re: Brock Lesnar: Canadian Health Care System is from the Third World
« Reply #47 on: January 24, 2010, 03:31:31 PM »
Not true.  I grew up in WNC and the facilites were fine.....in-fact the hospital in Asheville is very good......so name me one town in WNC that has these facilities that I would be "aghast at" or "lack thereof."  And don't try to bullshit, as I've at least visited almost every town west of Asheville.....

In fact the worst facility BY FAR is on the Cherokee reservation, and guess who runs that one?  It's so bad, many of the indians leave the res and pay out of pocket to avoid it.
Or you can try your luck in Robbinsville, North Carolina.  You would most likely just die if you had any kind of serious illness and remained there.  Methinks you haven`t traveled North Carolina as much as you say you have.  There are VERY Wealthy parts and there are VERY Poor parts with no access to medical care whatsoever.

The median income for a household in the town was $14,688, and the median income for a family was $21,705. Males had a median income of $16,912 versus $14,886 for females. The per capita income for the town was $10,275. 34.5% of the population and 26.5% of families were below the poverty line. Out of the total population, 46.6% of those under the age of 18 and 37.8% of those 65 and older were living below the poverty line.

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Re: Brock Lesnar: Canadian Health Care System is from the Third World
« Reply #48 on: January 24, 2010, 03:34:17 PM »
Once you get to Cedar Mountain, it is doubtful that you will even find anything other than a shack.

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Re: Brock Lesnar: Canadian Health Care System is from the Third World
« Reply #49 on: January 24, 2010, 08:08:22 PM »
Or you can try your luck in Robbinsville, North Carolina.  You would most likely just die if you had any kind of serious illness and remained there.  Methinks you haven`t traveled North Carolina as much as you say you have.  There are VERY Wealthy parts and there are VERY Poor parts with no access to medical care whatsoever.

The median income for a household in the town was $14,688, and the median income for a family was $21,705. Males had a median income of $16,912 versus $14,886 for females. The per capita income for the town was $10,275. 34.5% of the population and 26.5% of families were below the poverty line. Out of the total population, 46.6% of those under the age of 18 and 37.8% of those 65 and older were living below the poverty line.

I told you not to try to bring up shit you know nothing about.....I have been to Robbinsville many times.....the actual town of Robbinsville doesn't have a hospital, but there are 3 within 20 miles.....Murphy, Bryson City and Andrews....not to mention Sylva and Franklin...."no access to medical care" is total bullshit.  And using the "remained there" is idiotic....you could say the same thing about many suburbs of big cities that don't have their own hospital and people have to commute 30 minutes to a hospital.

As for Hiddenite you have Alexander, Iredell and Caldwell within a half hour drive.

And all of these towns have plenty of physicians and access to adequate medical care.

And I notice you didn't have anything to say about the hospital on the Cherokee reservation, that the govt runs, and is so bad the people in the tribe travel to Bryson City, Sylva and Waynesville to get care......and pay for it, even though your lovely govt care would be free.