Brock Lesnar: Canadian Health Care System is from the Third World

[Soul Crusher]

Thursday, January 21, 2010
UCF Champion Compares Canadian Health Care to That of The Third World
by OneVike
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Thinking he might need surgery to fix a bad case of diverticulitis, Brock Lesnar postponed a fight to defend his Ultimate Fighting Championship heavyweight title. If you know who Lesnar is you have one of two opinion of him probably. You either think he is an egotistical maniac, and you wish someone would come along and shut him up, or you thought he was maybe the greatest all around fighter to ever grace the sport of Ultimate fighting. Well, Brock was not just unable to train for the defense of his title, he was considering the reality that he may have to retire at the young age of 32.

A former champion the WWE, Lesnar used the same tactics he used as a wrestler to help draw fans to the UFC. They say that Lesnar is the best thing that ever happened the UFC, but after his medical problems, they were worried the 1.6 million pay per views they gained due to his attraction was in jeopardy. Well they can now rest assured that their money maker will return to the ring, because Lesnar has had a miraculous recovery. However, up until just this past Tuesday it was not so. You may be asking yourself, since when has Post Scripts cared about ultimate fighters and their future ability to beat each other up? Well the reason this is news is not because he is a fighter, but because of what happened after he ended up in a Canadian hospital.

See, Lesnar was beginning to suffer from depression due to the news he may have to retire from a new career he thought was going to allow him to fight maybe one or two times a year while spending the rest of the year at home with his family. When he was a wrestler he was not able to see his family much because he was on the road all year, fighting two maybe three times a week. Well he was now suffering from depression also, so he decided to get away and maybe defeat the depression he was feeling by going on a hunting trip in Canada.

While there he had such a painful diverticulitis attack, that he was hospitalized. While in a Canadian hospital you would think he was getting the best care in the world. After all, we are told by liberals in America that the Canadian health care system is almost as good as that of Cuba. That's why we are told Obama and the Democrats want to take over 1/7th of the American, they want to make it as good. Just one problem, Democrats can only tell lies about our health care system and that of the rest of the worlds. The lie is that the only way for us to improve the system in America is to make it like that of other countries who have Socialized health care.

So what does Lesnar have to say about that great Canadian health care he was getting? Brock was not impressed, matter of fact he said it reminded him of the kind of health care you would get in a third world country. It was so bad that his wife Rena, had to rescue him from the hospital. She loaded him into their car and drove sometimes as fast as 100 miles per hour to get her ailing husband back to America where she admitted him into the MedCenter One hospital in Bismarck, N.D. There doctors were patient, they didn’t immediately perform surgery and slowly nursed him back to some form of health. Brock's wife was so afraid her husband was going to die in the Canadian hospital she had no choice but to perform what was tantamount to a prison break to save his life.

So for you liberals who are angry that Scott Brown won the election and killed ObamaCare, I ask you. Are you sure you want what Canada has? Personally, I have yet to hear one person tell me that they had better care in Canada then they have ever received in America. Fact is, no one who knows the truth is surprised and I thank God that the people of liberal Massachusetts even know it. Come November, those who are still hoping that Obama and the Democrats can still change America into the Socialist utopia they want ,are going to be shocked.

The way I see it, there was a small earthquake in the Ocean on Tuesday, and that little ripple in the water you see is going to be such a huge tsunami come November that I would not be surprised if the Democrat party becomes insignificant and powerless to the political process for years to come.

Posted by OneVike at 10:00 AM  

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Thank god ObamaCare was defeated.  Crap & Tax next.  

http://onevike.blogspot.com/2010/01/ucf-champion-compares-canadian-health.html

[The True Adonis]

You do realize that he was ill at a hunting lodge in the middle of nowhere, 3 hours away from the nearest major medical facility.  I could take you to plenty of locations in North Carolina, specifically the Appalachian region that you would be aghast at the medical facilities or lack thereof.

and then there is this:

Lesnar admitted his U.S. health-care adventure wasn't all perfect, telling reporters that he was initially thought to be suffering from a case of mononucleosis.

If he would have stuck with that initialUNITED STATES diagnosis, he would have died.

[The True Adonis]

The third leading cause of all death in the United States is iatrogenesis which is Doctor misdiagnosis or the wrong medical advice from medical professionals.


Just so you know...

[kcballer]

Exactly TA.  One persons experience is hardly enough to damn a whole health care system.  If 40,000 people in Canada were dying due to a lack of health care (like in the US) it would be a different story regarding universal care.  

[The True Adonis]

Exactly TA.  One persons experience is hardly enough to damn a whole health care system.  If 40,000 people in Canada were dying due to a lack of health care (like in the US) it would be a different story regarding universal care.  

Lesnar is lucky he didn`t stick with the initial diagnosis he got in the United States.  He would have died.

[BM OUT]

Lesnar is lucky he didn`t stick with the initial diagnosis he got in the United States.  He would have died.

So a poor diagnosis by a doctor makes the US health care system bad.If Lesner had stayed in Canada he would have died.Perhaps if would allow doctors to treat patients without the fear of assanine lawsuits better diagnosis' may be had.

[The True Adonis]

So a poor diagnosis by a doctor makes the US health care system bad.If Lesner had stayed in Canada he would have died.Perhaps if would allow doctors to treat patients without the fear of assanine lawsuits better diagnosis' may be had.

Wrong.  Without Lawsuits, Doctors would run less tests resulting in more wrong diagnosis and patients would have no recourse whatsoever for something that is not their fault.

Could their be improvements in litigation and tort reform? Sure.  Should no patient be allowed recourse for a wrong diagnosis or seek damages incurred? Of course not. 

[Soul Crusher]

Wrong.  Without Lawsuits, Doctors would run less tests resulting in more wrong diagnosis and patients would have no recourse whatsoever for something that is not their fault.

Could their be improvements in litigation and tort reform? Sure.  Should no patient be allowed recourse for a wrong diagnosis or seek damages incurred? Of course not. 

What do they do in your beloved Norway?

[The True Adonis]

What do they do in your beloved Norway?

There are plenty of Malpractice Attorneys in Norway should you need one.  They have better reform than the United States if thats what you are getting at.

[BM OUT]

Wrong.  Without Lawsuits, Doctors would run less tests resulting in more wrong diagnosis and patients would have no recourse whatsoever for something that is not their fault.

Could their be improvements in litigation and tort reform? Sure.  Should no patient be allowed recourse for a wrong diagnosis or seek damages incurred? Of course not. 

Doctors are human.Its funny we can sue them for misdiagnosis,but we cant sue the government for the same thing.How many misdiagnosis' have they come up with.Obama should be sued for ,malpractice claiming his assanine stimulous bill would keep unemployment at 8%.He only helped kill the economy.

[The True Adonis]

Doctors are human.Its funny we can sue them for misdiagnosis,but we cant sue the government for the same thing.How many misdiagnosis' have they come up with.Obama should be sued for ,malpractice claiming his assanine stimulous bill would keep unemployment at 8%.He only helped kill the economy.

You sure can sue the Government.  MANY cases have been decided in the Supreme Court as well as in State Supreme Courts.

[Soul Crusher]

Doctors are human.Its funny we can sue them for misdiagnosis,but we cant sue the government for the same thing.How many misdiagnosis' have they come up with.Obama should be sued for ,malpractice claiming his assanine stimulous bill would keep unemployment at 8%.He only helped kill the economy.

Ha ha.  Good one Bro!

[SAMSON123]

I can not believe that the writer of this article would take the time to use this guys illness as an opportunity to TRASH the Canadian health care system. America suffers over 500,000 deaths every year due to medical MISDIAGNOSIS by its doctors. Does that mean that americas medical system is FOURTH WORLD? That was a really cheap shot by this writer, who at any other time he would have been trashing Brock Lesnar to no end, talking about how he abuses steroids. Gimmie a break. Nonetheless Canada just like Europe is better off having the system they have as opposed to america having NO SYSTEM AT ALL...

[BM OUT]

I can not believe that the writer of this article would take the time to use this guys illness as an opportunity to TRASH the Canadian health care system. America suffers over 500,000 deaths every year due to medical MISDIAGNOSIS by its doctors. Does that mean that americas medical system is FOURTH WORLD? That was a really cheap shot by this writer, who at any other time he would have been trashing Brock Lesnar to no end, talking about how he abuses steroids. Gimmie a break. Nonetheless Canada just like Europe is better off having the system they have as opposed to america having NO SYSTEM AT ALL...

HOW DO YOU KNOW IF HE USES STEROIDS?

[The True Adonis]

HOW DO YOU KNOW IF HE USES STEROIDS?

This arrest ring a bell?

[SAMSON123]

HOW DO YOU KNOW IF HE USES STEROIDS?

Gee Billy you're more stupid than I originally thought...It is not like it is hard to see the steroids coursing through his veins. But maybe the arrest will help you know and believe

[Skip8282]

The third leading cause of all death in the United States is iatrogenesis which is Doctor misdiagnosis or the wrong medical advice from medical professionals.


Just so you know...

Source?

[The True Adonis]

Source?

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/120137990/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
Journal of General Internal Medicine
Confidential Clinician-reported Surveillance of Adverse Events Among Medical Inpatients
Saul N. Weingart, MD, PhD, Amy N. Ship, MD, Mark D. Aronson, MD
Division of General Medicine and Primary Care, Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, and Department of Medicine, Harvard Medical School, Boston, Mass




Barbara Starfield, MD, MPH
JAMA. 2000;284:483-485.
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/extract/284/4/483

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7453741
Iatrogenic illness on a general medical service at a university hospital.
Steel K, Gertman PM, Crescenzi C, Anderson J.






Deficiencies in US Medical Care
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/extract/284/17/2184-a

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/279/15/1200
Incidence of Adverse Drug Reactions in Hospitalized Patients: A Meta-analysis of Prospective Studies
Jason Lazarou, Bruce H. Pomeranz, and Paul N. Corey


JAMA. 1998;279(15):1200-1205.

[The True Adonis]

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[Soul Crusher]

Medical Doctor, Climate Scientist, Engineer, Chemist, Chef, Bodybuilder, Stock Analyst, MY GOD TA -

IS THERE ANYTHYING YOU ARE NOT BRILLIANT AT?  

[The True Adonis]

Feel free to explore the topic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iatrogenesis


Doctor and medical error is still the 3rd leading cause of death in the United States.  Some estimates have it nearly the 2nd leading cause of unnecessary death.

[The True Adonis]

Incidence and importance

Iatrogenesis is a major phenomenon, and a severe risk to patients. A study carried out in 1981 more than one-third of illnesses of patients in a university hospital were iatrogenic, nearly one in ten were considered major, and in 2% of the patients, the iatrogenic disorder ended in death. Complications were most strongly associated with exposure to drugs and medications.[15] In another study, the main factors leading to problems were inadequate patient evaluation, lack of monitoring and follow-up, and failure to perform necessary tests.[16]
In the United State alone, recorded deaths per year (2000):
12,000—unnecessary surgery
7,000—medication errors in hospitals
20,000—other errors in hospitals
80,000—infections in hospitals
106,000—non-error, negative effects of drugs
Based on these figures, 225,000 deaths per year constitutes the third leading cause of death in the United States, after deaths from heart disease and cancer. Also, there is a wide margin between these numbers of deaths and the next leading cause of death (cerebrovascular disease).
This totals 225,000 deaths per year from iatrogenic causes. In interpreting these numbers, note the following:
most data were derived from studies in hospitalized patients.
the estimates are for deaths only and do not include negative effects that are associated with disability or discomfort.
the estimates of death due to error are lower than those in the IOM report. If higher estimates are used, the deaths due to iatrogenic causes would range from 230,000 to 284,000.[1]

[Skip8282]

Feel free to explore the topic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iatrogenesis


Doctor and medical error is still the 3rd leading cause of death in the United States.  Some estimates have it nearly the 2nd leading cause of unnecessary death.

Your sources are not substantiating your claim.  The closest one indicates that it would be between the 4th and 6th leading cause out of the hospitals sampled.  The wiki link only indicates some 125,000-225,000 as an estimate.

The CDC does not list this as a leading cause of death in the U.S.

There's a difference between it being a problem, which we can all agree with, versus it being a leading cause of death.

[Skip8282]

Incidence and importance

Iatrogenesis is a major phenomenon, and a severe risk to patients. A study carried out in 1981 more than one-third of illnesses of patients in a university hospital were iatrogenic, nearly one in ten were considered major, and in 2% of the patients, the iatrogenic disorder ended in death. Complications were most strongly associated with exposure to drugs and medications.[15] In another study, the main factors leading to problems were inadequate patient evaluation, lack of monitoring and follow-up, and failure to perform necessary tests.[16]
In the United State alone, recorded deaths per year (2000):
12,000—unnecessary surgery
7,000—medication errors in hospitals
20,000—other errors in hospitals
80,000—infections in hospitals
106,000—non-error, negative effects of drugs
Based on these figures, 225,000 deaths per year constitutes the third leading cause of death in the United States, after deaths from heart disease and cancer. Also, there is a wide margin between these numbers of deaths and the next leading cause of death (cerebrovascular disease).
This totals 225,000 deaths per year from iatrogenic causes. In interpreting these numbers, note the following:
most data were derived from studies in hospitalized patients.
the estimates are for deaths only and do not include negative effects that are associated with disability or discomfort.
the estimates of death due to error are lower than those in the IOM report. If higher estimates are used, the deaths due to iatrogenic causes would range from 230,000 to 284,000.[1]

Alright, this clarifies things a bit.

[Skip8282]

Of course, that was back in '81 and I'd like to think that we've improved significantly in the last 30 or so years.