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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #325 on: March 29, 2011, 02:46:37 PM »
I know what I read in the Bible.

LOL I love how you resident pagans with like 30 posts come out of the wood work as soon as you get so threatened by Chrisitanity.

You contradict yourself. You know something about the unknowable because you read it in a book. Please, make up your mind. Is god unknowable or not?

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #326 on: March 29, 2011, 02:46:50 PM »
If faced by the request of murdering ones own son, any reasonable person would give him the finger and take a dump on his failed creation. See how faith and religion fucks people up?
Unfortunately as humans we're finite beings who often can't see past the situation immediately in front of us.  God, on the other hand, is timeless and comprehends the past, the present and the future simulataneously....an unimaginable scope of perception.  A request of Abraham of this magnitude could not be perceived in it's fullest terms.....I'm sure Abraham didn't imagine that this would lead to the founding of a nation of God's chosen people.  All we can see is the immediate act and often can't get past it even when the events thereafter were laid out for us to review.  He never promised that the cross would not be heavy, that the hill would not be hard to climb.  He never offered our victories without fighting.  He just said help would always come in time.

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« Reply #327 on: March 29, 2011, 02:47:43 PM »
What about the Egyptian children that were "punished by god" with the death of the firstborn plague? (and of course other instances where innocents -and especially children- were killed). Did they "deserve it"? Was "god" justified in killing children?

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #328 on: March 29, 2011, 02:49:08 PM »
No my heathen friend, go read Genesis.

I did, and it is all nonsense. In fact, the god- creature in the old testament is a egomaniac, sadistic, vindictive entity, not a god of love. It just bullshit, made for another time and another place.

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #329 on: March 29, 2011, 02:49:37 PM »
Your god is omnipotent, why was human sacrifice necessary in order to wash away your petty sins?

So your view on morals is spreading the word of a death-cult? Gotcha.

I know you try to mean well(I hope so, at least) but you're saying some pretty fucked up stuff that if it wasn't under the cover of your religion, would be considered straight up irresponsible and evil.

Just review some of my previous posts in this thread....that's the key my friend.

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #330 on: March 29, 2011, 02:56:07 PM »
Unfortunately as humans we're finite beings who often can't see past the situation immediately in front of us.  God, on the other hand, is timeless and comprehends the past, the present and the future simulataneously....an unimaginable scope of perception.  A request of Abraham of this magnitude could not be perceived in it's fullest terms.....I'm sure Abraham didn't imagine that this would lead to the founding of a nation of God's chosen people.  All we can see is the immediate act and often can't get past it even when the events thereafter were laid out for us to review.  He never promised that the cross would not be heavy, that the hill would not be hard to climb.  He never offered our victories without fighting.  He just said help would always come in time.

That's your take on it. What can I say?

I see a malicious and jealous man-made god that is obsessed with murder and sex(very human qualities) that even though, omnipotent, have to put his own creation through hell in order to reach heaven and if they tell him to piss off which he gave them the right to do, they're sent to hell for all eternity. A life worth of sins(can only be so many) is apparently justifiably punishable by eternal torture.

Somethings off here. This is not the design of an all-knowing, all loving omnipotent supreme being. It's the values of bronze-age men summarized in to a cult which happens to need an imaginary deity to claim authority.
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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #331 on: March 29, 2011, 02:56:53 PM »
What about the Egyptian children that were "punished by god" with the death of the firstborn plague? (and of course other instances where innocents -and especially children- were killed). Did they "deserve it"? Was "god" justified in killing children?

Think about some of the pagan tribes of people that God ordered be destroyed.  For hundreds of years these people engaged in horrifice, evil practices.  Generation after generation being lead to an inevitable death in sin and eternal seperation from God.  When God determined enough is enough, that these depraved people were doomed with no chance of change he saved those children that were inevitably doomed to eternal seperation from him as they were not accountable for their actions. I see that as an act of love in regards to the children that died.  The Egyptian children were sacrificed, but immediately taken to the greatest kingdom of all....for none are most precious in his sight.  I can't grasp all facets of his plan, but I do know that God is love.

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #332 on: March 29, 2011, 02:58:29 PM »
That's your take on it. What can I say?

I see a malicious and jealous man-made god that is obsessed with murder and sex(very human qualities) that even though, omnipotent, have to put his own creation through hell in order to reach heaven and if they tell him to piss off which he gave them the right to do, they're sent to hell for all eternity. A life worth of sins(can only be so many) is apparently justifiably punishable by eternal torture.

Somethings off here. This is not the design of an all-knowing, all loving omnipotent supreme being. It's the values of bronze-age men summarized in to a cult which happens to need an imaginary deity to claim authority.

When I can't understand certain things I take it back to the source and pray about it.....I encourage the same for you. 

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #333 on: March 29, 2011, 02:59:25 PM »
Think about some of the pagan tribes of people that God ordered be destroyed.  For hundreds of years these people engaged in horrifice, evil practices.  Generation after generation being lead to an inevitable death in sin and eternal seperation from God.  When God determined enough is enough, that these depraved people were doomed with no chance of change he saved those children that were inevitably doomed to eternal seperation from him as they were not accountable for their actions. I see that as an act of love in regards to the children that died.  The Egyptian children were sacrificed, but immediately taken to the greatest kingdom of all....for none are most precious in his sight.  I can't grasp all facets of his plan, but I do know that God is love.

He failed at communicating his loving message to innocent children. Therefore he murders them.

Are you for real?
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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #334 on: March 29, 2011, 03:03:55 PM »
Think about some of the pagan tribes of people that God ordered be destroyed.  For hundreds of years these people engaged in horrifice, evil practices.  Generation after generation being lead to an inevitable death in sin and eternal seperation from God.  When God determined enough is enough, that these depraved people were doomed with no chance of change he saved those children that were inevitably doomed to eternal seperation from him as they were not accountable for their actions. I see that as an act of love in regards to the children that died.  The Egyptian children were sacrificed, but immediately taken to the greatest kingdom of all....for none are most precious in his sight.  I can't grasp all facets of his plan, but I do know that God is love.

Think about what you just said (and probably devoutly believe) and think about the child you hold in your avatar (if that's you, I'd assume she's your daughter). Now think about it again. Would you want that to happen to your child?
A "god" that kills children for whatever reason is SICK.

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #335 on: March 29, 2011, 03:04:29 PM »
He failed at communicating his loving message to innocent children. Therefore he murders them.

Are you for real?

It's a perspective and nothing more and by no means particularly well-written.  I'm not a prophet, I'm not a fantastic writer, I'm not a theologian....just doing the best I can to address some tough questions.  Again, my purpose is to spread the wonderful news of salvation in Christ....I want others to experience the same love in Christ that I have. 

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #336 on: March 29, 2011, 03:08:05 PM »
Think about what you just said (and probably devoutly believe) and think about the child you hold in your avatar (if that's you, I'd assume she's your daughter). Now think about it again. Would you want that to happen to your child?
A "god" that kills children for whatever reason is SICK.


I can't compare myself and my daughter to the evil, sadistic tribes of people referred to in the Old Testament.  Only comparison I can draw is that like those twisted tribes of people I am also a broken down sinner who can only be and has been saved by grace.

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #337 on: March 29, 2011, 03:08:51 PM »
It's a perspective and nothing more and by no means particularly well-written.  I'm not a prophet, I'm not a fantastic writer, I'm not a theologian....just doing the best I can to address some tough questions.  Again, my purpose is to spread the wonderful news of salvation in Christ....I want others to experience the same love in Christ that I have. 

Even if you are poor at communicating, there's really not a whole lot of ways one can interpret what you just posted. If you still stand by it I'll sincerely say(for whatever it's worth) that you're an immoral, fucked up person.
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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #338 on: March 29, 2011, 03:15:53 PM »
Even if you are poor at communicating, there's really not a whole lot of ways one can interpret what you just posted. If you still stand by it I'll sincerely say(for whatever it's worth) that you're an immoral, fucked up person.

I also haven't insulted, put down, degraded or judged anyone in this thread.  All I've talked about is the love of God, salvation in Christ and made some attempts to bring a little perspective to some other tough questions......if that makes me immoral then Amen.

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #339 on: March 29, 2011, 03:18:36 PM »
I can't compare myself and my daughter to the evil, sadistic tribes of people referred to in the Old Testament.  Only comparison I can draw is that like those twisted tribes of people I am also a broken down sinner who can only be and has been saved by grace.

You keep mentioning "evil, sadistic tribes of people". Do you imply that pretty much every person in the ancient world apart from the "chosen" israelites was a degenerate sadistic murderer because they weren't christian and deserved any horrible punishment or death that "god" inflicted upon them? How do you know that every person was "evil and sadistic"? Was it just because they weren't christian?

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #340 on: March 29, 2011, 03:26:41 PM »
You keep mentioning "evil, sadistic tribes of people". Do you imply that pretty much every person in the ancient world apart from the "chosen" israelites was a degenerate sadistic murderer because they weren't christian and deserved any horrible punishment or death that "god" inflicted upon them? How do you know that every person was "evil and sadistic"? Was it just because they weren't christian?

No, not implying that.
Of course not.

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #341 on: March 29, 2011, 03:48:13 PM »
There would be absolutely no sense in requesing "cliff notes" now would there?

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« Reply #342 on: March 29, 2011, 04:08:40 PM »
There would be absolutely no sense in requesing "cliff notes" now would there?
God kill children.
God has a big cock .
God doesn't exist.

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #343 on: March 29, 2011, 04:13:32 PM »
Well, you religious folks are rather funny too:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult

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I love the cargo cults  ;D

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #344 on: March 29, 2011, 04:21:39 PM »
I love the cargo cults  ;D

not as much as the cults love the cargo  >:(
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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #345 on: March 29, 2011, 04:28:59 PM »
Is choice evil?  No.  Can our choices be evil?  Yes.  Not a copout, just the truth.

And ultimately both are God's creation , God created evil and our ability to choose it , you can't have it both ways.

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« Reply #346 on: March 29, 2011, 04:33:19 PM »
And ultimately both are God's creation , God created evil and our ability to choose it , you can't have it both ways.

So my words haven't changed your life LOL?!!!  Well, if nothing else it gives us all something to think about.

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #347 on: March 29, 2011, 04:38:54 PM »
So my words haven't changed your life LOL?!!!  Well, if nothing else it gives us all something to think about.

Sorry to say your testimonial hasn't persuaded me , neither has my Mothers who is a true believer.

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #348 on: March 29, 2011, 04:39:16 PM »
I do love nature, it's amazing.  The only thing is nature can't forgive my sins or give me the gift of eternal life.  I just wants others to experience the same gift of salvation and love of Christ that I have.  I don't expect you to change your lives because of my words today, but I do hope you don't fully dismiss them.  All you have to do is confess with your mouth that Christ is Lord and believe in your heart that he is risen from the grave and you'll be saved.   

why were old japanese men and women, and children killed by a quake then a tsunami ? What did they do wrong?

Why are you enjoying tons of hamburgers, drinking coca cola and driving a f 150  when at the same time a baby is born in africa and will die in 2 months of malnutrition and illness?


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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #349 on: March 29, 2011, 04:41:05 PM »
If you take a step back and look at all the major religions as a whole, theyre all pretty close to the same thing, just cultrual variances between them.
So, IMHO, they probably all originated back from the same place, and as we know, people change things and put there own twist on it.
I dont think ANY of the religious books today are 100% truth, as man has had his hands in all of them.
I would believe that as long as you had faith and tried to live a good life, regardless of which variant you choose, he's probably not going to condemn you to hell.

anthropologists already found out "faith" is a construct of the first homo erectus and then homo sapiens sapiens... They explained how it started in the first place and how it led to the building of "religions".