For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate

[Agnostic007]

Honestly, don't know what else to tell you.  I was correct on the verse you were referring and resolved the translation issue.  

Which begs another question.. If a god actually wrote, (inspired, guided the authors) the bible, why would there be translation errors at all? Why would the word witches be used in the KJV and referenced to give authority to burn witches alive at the stake? Why would god allow "disaster" to be translated erroneously to "evil" in the 1600's and stand as the standard for 400 yrs?

Why, if Christians claim the holy spirit guides them, would there be hundreds of denominations claiming the bible says different things? Why do Christians, who claim they can talk to god, the author of the book, argue about once saved always saved, or water baptism, or what hell is like....?

[Butterbean]

Coach, I'm a catholic atheist. (raised catholic turned atheist) ...during my college years at the largest Catholic university in USA. DePaul University (not sure if it's still the largest?)

It's not that the universities teach towards non-creationism. It's that the education you receive will make you realize that the concept of religion and god is illogical. After spending countless hours of learning about chemistry, bio, math, physics, microbiology, ...etc.

You begin to tie in all of those concepts together and the more you learn about the universe and world the more (in my case) I realized that it's insane that people subscribe to religion and god.

thats when I started to question things.

I really like this post

I haven't read this whole thread so you may have answered my question (sorry if I missed it) but pluck and XFACTOR, will you explain how chemistry, bio, math, physics, microbiology etc....  made you think there could be no God?

[GRACIE JIU-JITSU]

 A think the real question is... what is more solid?

 Which one answer most questions?

[lovemonkey]

I haven't read this whole thread so you may have answered my question (sorry if I missed it) but pluck and XFACTOR, will you explain how chemistry, bio, math, physics, microbiology etc....  made you think there could be no God?

For me believing in a god didn't feel natural. It's always been like that since I was a little kid. I went through several months of confirmation school only to quit the day before the actual confirmation.. every single fiber in my body told me not to go through with it. For being only 14 years old at the time I'm very proud of being able to make that decision going against friends and some members of my family.

Later on when discovering the wonders of natural sciences it just merely reaffirms my belief that god is a man made ghost that is not needed to explain anything, and even though a lot of things are yet to be discovered, adding god into the equation would just make matters worse.

The final nail in the coffin is when you start studying history... you realize very quickly just how corrupted and twisted these religions are and how it baffles the mind that some people take the holy scriptures literally.

[Butterbean]

For me believing in a god didn't feel natural. It's always been like that since I was a little kid. I went through several months of confirmation school only to quit the day before the actual confirmation.. every single fiber in my body told me not to go through with it. For being only 14 years old at the time I'm very proud of being able to make that decision going against friends and some members of my family.

Later on when discovering the wonders of natural sciences it just merely reaffirms by belief that god is a man made ghost that is not needed to explain anything, and even though a lot of things are yet to be discovered, adding god into the equation would just make matters worse.

The final nail in the coffin is when you start studying history... you realize very quickly just how corrupted and twisted these religions are and how it baffles the mind that some people take the bible literally.

Was your confirmation deal for the Roman Catholic church?

[lovemonkey]

Was your confirmation deal for the Roman Catholic church?

Nope, protestant.

[Butterbean]

Nope, protestant.

Is it a Methodist thing...if not what denomination is it?


I find it interesting that even as a little kid believing in God didn't feel natural.  That just seems foreign to me I guess! 

Were your parents believers all your life?

[lovemonkey]

Is it a Methodist thing...if not what denomination is it?


I find it interesting that even as a little kid believing in God didn't feel natural.  That just seems foreign to me I guess!  

Were your parents believers all your life?

No particular denomination that I can think of or remember... in these parts when we talk about the church we just automatically assume it's protestant without going into details which is different from the states where you can find any variation of church you could possibly imagine.

My mother says she believes in a higher being but honestly you'd never notice, she's by no means religious but thinks that its a tradition to be baptized and go through confirmation etc. My dad I'm sure is at least agnostic if not atheist and he probably had the biggest influence on me, but it was not direct. He never tried to convince me that there is no god but encouraged me to read and ask questions instead.

[Agnostic007]

Honestly, don't know what else to tell you.  I was correct on the verse you were referring and resolved the translation issue. 

Although we don't share the same personal beliefs, I do appreciate the way you conduct yourself during the discussion. Believers can often resort to "you're just to stupid to see the evidence" and non believers often resort to "you're just to gullible to see the lack of evidence". This is usually the case and so when I have discussion about religion and it remains respectful and cordial, I really appreciate it.     

[Parker]

Which begs another question.. If a god actually wrote, (inspired, guided the authors) the bible, why would there be translation errors at all? Why would the word witches be used in the KJV and referenced to give authority to burn witches alive at the stake? Why would god allow "disaster" to be translated erroneously to "evil" in the 1600's and stand as the standard for 400 yrs?

Why, if Christians claim the holy spirit guides them, would there be hundreds of denominations claiming the bible says different things? Why do Christians, who claim they can talk to god, the author of the book, argue about once saved always saved, or water baptism, or what hell is like....?

Here is my thing, if the God of the bible is beyond our comprehension, and the bible was written for us to comprehend him better, why does he come off as a cranky old Clint Eastwood in the Old Testament and in the New Testament like Mr. Rogers?

He comes off as if constructed by a human male mind. Including calling him "Father", Lord, God, Him, etc.
If anything one would assume that God would be a woman, due to her giving birth, and how the earth is seen as feminine---giving birth to plants, thus human civilization could grow. And water is associated with the feminine as well.

If we look at the Biblical God, he exhibits masculine traits---punishment, even "impregnating" women, being stern, ruling, etc.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Here is my thing, if the God of the bible is beyond our comprehension, and the bible was written for us to comprehend him better, why does he come off as a cranky old Clint Eastwood in the Old Testament and in the New Testament like Mr. Rogers?

He comes off as if constructed by a human male mind. Including calling him "Father", Lord, God, Him, etc.
If anything one would assume that God would be a woman, due to her giving birth, and how the earth is seen as feminine---giving birth to plants, thus human civilization could grow. And water is associated with the feminine as well.

If we look at the Biblical God, he exhibits masculine traits---punishment, even "impregnating" women, being stern, ruling, etc.

The whole God concept is ridiculous , do you honestly think for one moment a being who created the entire Universe ( or multiverse ) and everything in it is actually jealous? or cares if one man has sex with another? or wants people do abstain from masturbation? or not saying his name in vain? this is offensive to something with this type of capability and exposes who wrote the bible and laced it with their fears & insecurities , simpleminded , ignorant , petty , jealous men

It's beyond rational , logical thought that anyone can actually think that the bible in the infallible word of God it's actually a disservice entertaining there is one.

[Man of Steel]

Although we don't share the same personal beliefs, I do appreciate the way you conduct yourself during the discussion. Believers can often resort to "you're just to stupid to see the evidence" and non believers often resort to "you're just to gullible to see the lack of evidence". This is usually the case and so when I have discussion about religion and it remains respectful and cordial, I really appreciate it.     

I appreciate that and I agree.  I don't like when believers attack nonbelievers.  We're supposed to be witnesses for Christ.  How's anyone supposed to see Christ in you if you're acting a fool?  I believe Christians need to better educated and better aware, especially in this communication age where information is so readily available at incredible speed.  We're all google-fueled and sometimes that's a good thing other times not so great.  I don't get upset when someone disagrees with my beliefs.  I often find that most nonbelievers attack believers immediately because they have had poor experiences with believers in the past...that's a shame.  I don't have all the answers to the tough, tough questions (sometimes I have a few). I just try and conduct myself with integrity and in manner that respects both my beliefs and those I'm sharing my beliefs with.  I you give respect you often get respect (not always, but most times).  I've learned a ton from nonbelievers that have provided opportunities for me to seek out information on topics I know nothing about.  I often find it sad that nonbelievers know more scripture than believers do....that has to change.  I just remain positive and hope that eventually those I'm speaking with will recognize that I'm not a threat or looking to judge.  That's got nothing to do with Christ's love and that's all I want others to experience.

[tbombz]

God loves everybody, including you love monkey dont worry about the troubles of this life

Get the fuck out of here  

Since I joined this board in 2006 you have consistently shown to be one of the most arrogant idiots with unwarranted cockiness the size of the moon.

Every single topic you debate you come off as an immature retard. Not immature as in vulgar or offensive, but worse. You're immature in the worst possible way, where it seems that your brain stopped developing when you were 12 years old. You're an arrogant prick with drug seeking behavior to boot. If not cocaine, then weed. If not weed, then steroids. Or both. What the fuck are you really? What would you be without drugs and your arrogance?

Did you pay back the money you stole from your momma yet?

And yes, meltdown.

[Coach is Back!]

Kinda like Uberknob!

[IrishMuscle84]

Isaiah 45:7

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

In another passage Isaiah goes on to say that NOTHING exists that god didn't create.

In other words, if it exists, God created it.

Exactly. One passage that irks me is......." do not love the world or the things of the world, for the things of the world are not of GOD". Well........im not exactly sure what they mean when they say " things " BUT.......GOD MAKES MAN........Gives/creates man with the thought process too Invent/create/build " things ". Soo........GOD MAKES MAN......MAKES " THINGS". GOD=MAN=THINGS. And also........when they say " world " do they mean " earth ", if soo.........Didnt GOD create the " world"-earth?

[NordicNerd]

The whole God concept is ridiculous , do you honestly think for one moment a being who created the entire Universe ( or multiverse ) and everything in it is actually jealous? or cares if one man has sex with another? or wants people do abstain from masturbation? or not saying his name in vain?

QFT! Here you nail it! This kind of god is just the projections of a typical middle east male mindset. Honor, jealousy, anger, sexual obsessions, revenge...

And this petty creature created the Cosmos? Good thing he had the time to figure out rules for where man should dip his penis, lol.

Nn

[CC973]

[YngiweRhoads]

QFT! Here you nail it! This kind of god is just the projections of a typical middle east male mindset. Honor, jealousy, anger, sexual obsessions, revenge...

And this petty creature created the Cosmos? Good thing he had the time to figure out rules for where man should dip his penis, lol.

Nn

The only concept worth considering is that of a prime mover, and even then it's highly improbable, knowing what we know now about the early Universe.

Religion, ie: the anthropomorphic god(s) of all the major religions are absolutely 100% fallacious; smattering of historical accuracies aside. It's an utterly ridiculous concept for people to adhere to.



This is bloody hilarious.

Herman Cain was also a target of Stewart's, after he said he wouldn't appoint a Muslim as a federal judge or to his cabinet. But it was Newt Gingrich who got the funniest response from Stewart after he warned of a future, secular, Atheist America, "potentially one dominated by radical Islamists." Atheist Muslims? Stewart had to call him out:

"How can a secular Atheist country be dominated by religious extremists? What, do they pray five times a day to a God they don't believe exists?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/31/jon-stewart-mocks-bachman-cain-gingrich_n_842984.html

[Donny]

well the Holy Crusade goes on.

[Man of Steel]

Exactly. One passage that irks me is......." do not love the world or the things of the world, for the things of the world are not of GOD". Well........im not exactly sure what they mean when they say " things " BUT.......GOD MAKES MAN........Gives/creates man with the thought process too Invent/create/build " things ". Soo........GOD MAKES MAN......MAKES " THINGS". GOD=MAN=THINGS. And also........when they say " world " do they mean " earth ", if soo.........Didnt GOD create the " world"-earth?

Here's a touch of context for that verse in question:

"Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world -- the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life -- is not of the Father but is of the world. And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever." 1 John 2:15-17

I believe the crux of that verse is to put God first in your life and turn from the sinful ways of the world.  I'm not an ordained minister, but that would be my novice perspective. 

[Man of Steel]

Which begs another question.. If a god actually wrote, (inspired, guided the authors) the bible, why would there be translation errors at all? Why would the word witches be used in the KJV and referenced to give authority to burn witches alive at the stake? Why would god allow "disaster" to be translated erroneously to "evil" in the 1600's and stand as the standard for 400 yrs?

Why, if Christians claim the holy spirit guides them, would there be hundreds of denominations claiming the bible says different things? Why do Christians, who claim they can talk to god, the author of the book, argue about once saved always saved, or water baptism, or what hell is like....?

Don't know anything about ancient language and translational language ideas other than some tidbits of things I've picked up along the way (like that I mentioned previously).  I fairly certain all the information can be googled.

Much like the growing population of kids that call themselves cagefighters cause they scrap with their friends in their backyards and parking lots, we have a world of people calling themselves Christians and simply aren't.  I have extended members of my own family that claim to be Christians and just aren't.  They blend Buddhism, Christianity and other feel good ideas to create an acceptable version of Christianity for themselves.....often one that doesn't hold them accountable for their actions (LOL imagine that!).  

[suckmymuscle]

Flawless reasoning at it's best!

  LOL, this is hilarious....

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[freespirit]

The final nail in the coffin is when you start studying history... you realize very quickly just how corrupted and twisted these religions are and how it baffles the mind that some people take the holy scriptures literally.

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[YngiweRhoads]

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WINNING!

[The_Leafy_Bug]

And like it or not, yes, liberalism and athieism generally go hand in hand

Explain that to Karl Rove. He was pretty much the one responsible for getting Bush elected twice. The man is a genius.