Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close

[Option D]

Across the board - no one spared.   Let the agencies have the choice have to deal with a 10% less budget every year.      

even military?

[Soul Crusher]

even military?

Yes.  its the only fair way.  I hate the thought of cutting military - but the only fair way is to tell everyone "this year yu have $10 to spend - next year $9, figure out hw to get it done"   

Its not fair since the most deserving get fucked and least deserving get a benefit -but its theonly way no one can say they are being unfaily targeted.   

were it up to me - I would cut off all social assistance altogether and let the welfare vermin die in the streets wo hestitation, but that is not going to happen since those animals will burn the nation down first.     

[Soul Crusher]

Shut the People Down (Obama planned to make shutdown worse than it had to be!)
The American Spectator ^ | April 11, 2011 | The Prowler



STANDOFF CYNICISM

No one can say that President Barack Obama and his administration weren't thinking of the American people during the budget standoff with Republicans. Their inconvenience was very much on his mind.

According to White House sources, in the weeks leading up to last week's push for a budget deal, the President approved plans that had the White House and federal agencies looking at every federal government resource that entailed public interaction, and whether it could be shut down during a closure of the government -- even if under normal government closures those resources would have or could have remained open.

"The goal was to inflict as much inconvenience and pain on the American public and lock them into supporting the Administration's perspective on the budget fight," says a White House source. "It was our nuclear option, but we saw how a government shutdown under Gingrich just destroyed Republican standing with the public, and we felt we could achieve that kind of damage and more, even if we really didn't have to."

For example, a number of websites that provide the public with information about everything from Social Security options to veterans services, even public-private educational websites operated by the Smithsonian, would have been shut down by the Obama Administration had a government closure taken place Saturday morning. "Those sites don't even involve government employees to operate, but we were going to shut them down anyway just to hit home the right message with the public," says the White House aide.

White House sources say some agencies, like the Smithsonian, which manages a number of the museums and Washington attractions tourists prize most during their visits, pushed back on shutting down the websites, but were overridden by the White House...


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[Kazan]

This whole thing has been orchestrated, the Dems have been planning to do this since they decided not to pass a budget. If anyone still can't see this, there is no hope for you.

If the repubs were smart, they would have gone after some of their own scared cows, they easily could have trimmed money from DOD and other places. Then come to the table and say your turn.

[headhuntersix]

Gates has already pre emptively cut programs..to include the F-22, which we need. We're also cutting 49K by 2015. The DOD could cut more with better oversight..but I think its time for Energy/Education/NEA and several others to get the chop outright.

[Soul Crusher]

Gates has already pre emptively cut programs..to include the F-22, which we need. We're also cutting 49K by 2015. The DOD could cut more with better oversight..but I think its time for Energy/Education/NEA and several others to get the chop outright.

How about just getting about 500 $9 calculators and drop them at the feet of Obama an tell him - "Hey chief, earn to use this"   

[Kazan]

Gates has already pre emptively cut programs..to include the F-22, which we need. We're also cutting 49K by 2015. The DOD could cut more with better oversight..but I think its time for Energy/Education/NEA and several others to get the chop outright.

That is the problem right there, instead of cutting shit that isn't need ( and there is plenty of shit in DOD that isn't needed) they go after something like the F-22.

[blacken700]

Haha, wow. Those people make guys like Straw Man and blacken look somewhat intelligent. 

you want to go down that road,spaghetti arms

[Soul Crusher]

Activists Give Boehner A Nod of Approval (Tea Partiers looking forward)
The Wall Street Journal ^ | April 9, 2011 | Jonathan Weisman and Jennifer Levitz


Leaders of the small-government, tea-party movement are generally giving House Speaker John Boehner high marks for his leadership in the spending showdown, even though the agreement eventually reached Friday night fell short of the cuts the tea party once demanded.

The relationship between the Republican leadership and these activists is one of the most important determinants of how this Congress will manage the fiscal fights to come.

Tea-party backers have been leery of Mr. Boehner for months, questioning his zeal and driving him toward a tougher line on spending.

As negotiations inched close to a deal late Friday, much of the movement's institutional leadership resisted raising the temperature and were willing to cut Mr. Boehner some slack, in hope that he will extract more dramatic concessions in the budget showdowns to come.

Within weeks, the House will press forward on a blueprint to dramatically change Medicare and Medicaid, lower tax rates, simplify the tax code, and cut nonsecurity spending by $1.6 trillion over the next decade.


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[Soul Crusher]

How He Did It: Three Keys to Boehner’s Budget Victory
FoxNews ^ | April 09, 2011 | Chris Stirewalt



One week ago, John Boehner was dead meat. Facing a rebellion among his freshman members and with a government shutdown looming, Washington was preparing a professional obituary for the speaker of the House.


If he agreed to any compromise on the plan to fund the government for the remainder of the federal fiscal year, Boehner would lose the confidence of his caucus and be a lame duck. If he dug in and joined the fiscal hard-liners in shutting down the government, Boehner would lose his ability to negotiate with Democrats in future fights. His options were to either lose face or to lose his most important bargaining tool. Checkmate.


Yet today, Boehner’s clout in his caucus and as a negotiator have been enhanced.


He is the primary author of a compromise to keep the government operating for the rest of the year with the largest spending reduction in history – 63 percent of the original GOP request of $61 billion. Republicans also got a potpourri of sweeteners, like up-or-down votes on politically painful subjects like President Obama’s health care law and federal subsidies for Planned Parenthood, the nation’s largest abortion provider. Not too shabby for a guy who held only one of three seats at the negotiating table.


How did he do it?


Managed Expectations


Boehner’s greatest asset in the process was the low expectations of the skeptics and Democrats.


The press has been waiting for the Tea Party revolt since before the November elections. Reporters have been flogging this story so long that tend to see its shadow over everything that happens in Republican politics. If all you have is a hammer…


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[240 is Back]

so to be clear - it's a total repub win.

they got far less $, they didn't stop NPR, PP, or any obama liberal handout bullshit.

They got 3 billion more than obama offered.  Obama kept 99% of his deficit.

Wow, that's a win?  What does a loss look like? 

[Soul Crusher]

so to be clear - it's a total repub win.

they got far less $, they didn't stop NPR, PP, or any obama liberal handout bullshit.

They got 3 billion more than obama offered.  Obama kept 99% of his deficit.

Wow, that's a win?  What does a loss look like? 

Again - this is the budget from last year that obama reid pelosi never passed.  They are dealing with the madoff obam who wanted a budget shutdown to screw over the military.   


Is it drstically less than i want?   Yes.   however, under the circumatances of having your reckeless criminal messiah in office - it is what it is.   

[Fury]

Again - this is the budget from last year that obama reid pelosi never passed.  They are dealing with the madoff obam who wanted a budget shutdown to screw over the military.  


Is it drstically less than i want?   Yes.   however, under the circumatances of having your reckeless criminal messiah in office - it is what it is.  

240 acts like a GOP that controls 1/3 is going to get everything they want. They won this battle big time. Not just in the amount they wanted but in the ideological battle. They showed that the Dems aren't the least bit serious about cutting the deficit and people will remember that.

240 can spin this all he wants (he's already trying) but this was about the best the GOP was going to get.

[240 is Back]

bachmann and pence - the two leading tea party voices - have said it's not enough and will not be getting their vote.

Maybe it's enough for the weeper of the house, a total RINO.

For true repubs like pence and bachamnn - it's a FAIL.

[Fury]

They were never going to get what they wanted with the dems controlling the senate and white house. Not that it matters to you, what with you being a hypocritical twat and all. You blasted Ryan's proposal to slash TRILLIONS from the deficit and now you're all over the GOP's nuts for not cutting enough. Give it a rest. You were thoroughly embarrassed on this entire budget mess, so much so that you actually had to resort to class-warfare propaganda in an effort to save face.

You're a fucking troll and nothing more.

[Freeborn126]

It's all smoke in mirrors, if anything was actually cut, it is so miniscule it doesn't change anyhing.  It is the left/right paradigm at work.  As the great Carroll Quigly one wrote:

“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can throw the rascals out at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies,”

The only group that won the shutdown showdown are the big governmet globalists as they fool the American people once again.

[Hugo Chavez]

Yes.  its the only fair way.  I hate the thought of cutting military - but the only fair way is to tell everyone "this year yu have $10 to spend - next year $9, figure out hw to get it done"     

I'm ok with cutting the military some but please be careful in how it's cut.  The way you worded it isn't cool.  I wouldn't want to cut what the troops need to do their job.  If they need my tax dollars to stay safe, I'd give extra for that.  How you cut back the military is a task that should be delicate and not risk American lives.  If you just flat out cut their spending, guess who'll they'll stiff most likely.

[Freeborn126]

I'm for cutting defense.  Just don't cut a Soldier's salary 10%, especially when half the force is deployed to combat zones.  You can cut drastically by pulling back some of or 900 plus bases across the world and ending unconstitutional wars. 

I would arge we do not need the F-22.  We have the F-15C, which, in its old age, still outmatches anything the Chinese or Russians can put in the sky in large numbers.  We also still have the F-35 which is is along the lines of a slightly cheaper F-22. 

[Fury]

I'm ok with cutting the military some but please be careful in how it's cut.  The way you worded it isn't cool.  I wouldn't want to cut what the troops need to do their job.  If they need my tax dollars to stay safe, I'd give extra for that.  How you cut back the military is a task that should be delicate and not risk American lives.  If you just flat out cut their spending, guess who'll they'll stiff most likely.

This is true but I'm in agreement that cutting everything across the board would be a good place to start.

A great place to start would be making these Eurotrash twats pull their own weight with regards to their defense.  

[tu_holmes]

This is true but I'm in agreement that cutting everything across the board would be a good place to start.

A great place to start would be making these Eurotrash twats pull their own weight with regards to their defense. 

If we can get our guys out of places that keep bitching about us, we'd save a shitload of money.

The common "defense" means staying at home and beating off the trouble makers who come fuck with us.

[Hugo Chavez]

This is true but I'm in agreement that cutting everything across the board would be a good place to start.

A great place to start would be making these Eurotrash twats pull their own weight with regards to their defense.  

I agree.  a general cut across the board.  Military cuts should be handled more carefull. 

Actually we could just get the ball rolling by cutting the TSA completely   And then holding an auction for the highest bidder who wants to shove a naked scanner up the directors ass on the way out

[Skip8282]

I agree.  a general cut across the board.  Military cuts should be handled more carefull. 

Actually we could just get the ball rolling by cutting the TSA completely   And then holding an auction for the highest bidder who wants to shove a naked scanner up the directors ass on the way out

I can agree with that, but the big 3 are going to have to be tackled a lot harder.  And if somebody - Lib or Repub - doesn't get healthcare inflation down to manageable levels, I don't see much happening in that regard.

[whork25]

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[Option D]

dont touch military, cut welfare

[George Whorewell]

dont touch military, cut welfare

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