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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #50 on: July 07, 2011, 11:19:19 AM »
I'm not voting for Obama in this election, not sure what the fuck else you want out of me...  It's just stupid for you to say Iran Contra is no big deal ::)

I didnt say its no big deal - but is much less than this.   

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #51 on: July 07, 2011, 11:21:36 AM »
Reagan expressed regret regarding the situation during a nationally televised address from the White House Oval Office on March 4, 1987 and two other speeches;[

67] Reagan had not spoken to the American people directly for three months amidst the scandal.[68] President Reagan told the American people the reason why he did not update them on the scandal:

"The reason I haven't spoken to you before now is this: You deserve the truth. And as frustrating as the waiting has been, I felt it was improper to come to you with sketchy reports, or possibly even erroneous statements, which would then have to be corrected, creating even more doubt and confusion. There's been enough of that."[68]


He then took full responsibility for the acts committed:

"First, let me say I take full responsibility for my own actions and for those of my administration. As angry as I may be about activities undertaken without my knowledge, I am still accountable for those activities. As disappointed as I may be in some who served me, I'm still the one who must answer to the American people for this behavior."[68]



Finally, the president stated that his previous assertions that the U.S. did not trade arms for hostages were incorrect:

"A few months ago I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not. As the Tower board reported, what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages. This runs counter to my own beliefs, to administration policy, and to the original strategy we had in mind."[68]


Too bad the communist messiah you voted for in 2008 and will again in 2012 will not exhibit the same candor.   

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #52 on: July 07, 2011, 11:22:05 AM »
I didnt say its no big deal - but is much less than this.   

lol...ok
You obviously dont know the complete ramifications if the ICA and how far reaching it was... just go read up on it, and then get back to me. You are trying to argue something and you are only slightly informed

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #53 on: July 07, 2011, 11:24:33 AM »
lol...ok
You obviously dont know the complete ramifications if the ICA and how far reaching it was... just go read up on it, and then get back to me. You are trying to argue something and you are only slightly informed


Tell me! 

So far - w Obama -

2 dead border agents
1 Mexican attorney
150 mexis dead
Thousands of assault rifles missing
43 assault rifles found on an illegal alien in AZ alone last month tied to this bullshit 


And it has just started! 

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #54 on: July 07, 2011, 11:25:37 AM »
I didnt say its no big deal - but is much less than this.   
we can argue which was worse at a later time, the point is still well made in regards to the line of shit through recent admins back to Reagan, you gotta admit that much.

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #55 on: July 07, 2011, 11:27:08 AM »
Gary Webb (August 31, 1955 – December 10, 2004) was a Pulitzer prize-winning American investigative journalist.
Webb was best known for his 1996 "Dark Alliance" series of articles written for the San Jose Mercury News and later published as a book. In the three-part series, Webb investigated Nicaraguans linked to the CIA-backed Contras who had allegedly smuggled cocaine into the U.S. Their smuggled cocaine was distributed as crack cocaine in Los Angeles, with the profits funneled back to the Contras. Webb also alleged that this influx of Nicaraguan-supplied cocaine sparked, and significantly fueled, the widespread crack cocaine epidemic that swept through many U.S. cities during the 1980s. According to Webb, the CIA was aware of the cocaine transactions and the large shipments of drugs into the U.S. by Contra personnel. Webb charged that the Reagan administration shielded inner-city drug dealers from prosecution in order to raise money for the Contras, especially after Congress passed the Boland Amendment, which prohibited direct Contra funding.


On July 23, 1998, the Justice Department released a report by its Inspector General, Michael R. Bromwich. The Bromwich report claimed that the Reagan-Bush administration was aware of cocaine traffickers in the Contra movement and did nothing to stop the criminal activity. The report also alleged a pattern of discarded leads and witnesses, sabotaged investigations, instances of the CIA working with drug traffickers, and the discouragement of DEA investigations into Contra-cocaine shipments. The CIA's refusal to share information about Contra drug trafficking with law-enforcement agencies was also documented. The Bromwich report corroborated Webb's investigation into Norwin Meneses, a Nicaraguan drug smuggler.[citation needed]

December 10, 2004, he was found dead from two gunshot wounds to the head.[23] Sacramento County coroner Robert Lyons asserts that it was suicide

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #56 on: July 07, 2011, 11:28:00 AM »
So  - you hate Reagan - fine. 

Do you now hate obam too? 

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #57 on: July 07, 2011, 11:29:28 AM »
I dont hate Reagan or Obama.. they are both politicians...they lie.. that's what makes a US politicians

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #58 on: July 07, 2011, 11:36:16 AM »
oh like we have proof Obama is behind this shit?  No chance of these fuckers going it on their own right?  That's never happened lol...

They have neither the budget nor the man power to pull off this type of operation at a local level. Not to mention we have DOJ stonewalling the congressional oversight committee. AG Holder lying his ass off,  the documents that the COC has received show he is. This is one giant CYA right now, only problem is the sacrificial lamb isn't going away quietly. I'm not going to hold my breath, but if this thing is investigated to the full extent, we are going to see alot of resignations in the coming months and hopefully prosecutions for this negligent cluster fuck.
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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #59 on: July 07, 2011, 12:23:02 PM »
They have neither the budget nor the man power to pull off this type of operation at a local level. Not to mention we have DOJ stonewalling the congressional oversight committee. AG Holder lying his ass off,  the documents that the COC has received show he is. This is one giant CYA right now, only problem is the sacrificial lamb isn't going away quietly. I'm not going to hold my breath, but if this thing is investigated to the full extent, we are going to see alot of resignations in the coming months and hopefully prosecutions for this negligent cluster fuck.
local level?  I didn't say anything about local level?  I was thinking federal agency...  Those guys have been known to get inventive and go a little over and above especially when their budget is on the line.  On a side note, I said over a year ago, almost two, that we should watch out for this kind of shit when cuts are on the horizon....  Especially with the ATF...

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #60 on: July 07, 2011, 12:25:41 PM »
local level?  I didn't say anything about local level?  I was thinking federal agency...  Those guys have been known to get inventive and go a little over and above especially when their budget is on the line.  On a side note, I said over a year ago, almost two, that we should watch out for this kind of shit when cuts are on the horizon....  Especially with the ATF...

Just that simple fact that the DOJ is jacking around and sending redacted documents to the COC, should throw a red flag as to how high this goes.
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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #61 on: July 07, 2011, 12:36:21 PM »
Just that simple fact that the DOJ is jacking around and sending redacted documents to the COC, should throw a red flag as to how high this goes.
I would call that fact typical, not evidense of how high it goes.  Go back and look at what these psychos did during waco and the politics that happened between agency and top level.  yea, there was some lies going on there.  Even rightwing accounts nail the ATF for disceptions there and of course it was some of the stupid dem shit that went on to cover it up and excuse it after the fact.  But much of that shit was originally crafted inhouse ATF style.

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #62 on: July 07, 2011, 03:51:03 PM »
Bump.

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #63 on: July 07, 2011, 04:41:23 PM »
Imagine had mexico or hondorus done the same shit as an official policy ? 

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #64 on: July 07, 2011, 05:05:01 PM »
Nothing nearly as out front and center as this.   

Lol SOOOOOOOOOOOOO

you gauge the legitimacy of a prez being knee deep in drugs and guns by.... umm...

THE MEDIA RESPONSE?


And "nobody got hurt in iran contra affair..." - Um, didn't reagan sell a shitload of weapons to iran, which they in turned used to kill a shitload of iraqis?  lol!

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #65 on: July 07, 2011, 06:48:26 PM »
I said americans murdered dipshit. 

Stop kneepadding obama - this is getting ridiculous now.

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #66 on: July 07, 2011, 08:56:09 PM »
Deputy Assistant Director Julie Torres. The Tampa Honduras cover-up is going on under her nose, and perhaps with her approval.

Breaking News: Tampa SAC 'in full meltdown...shredders are buzzing'

Exclusive Special Report by David Codrea and Mike Vanderboegh

The source previously reporting that Special Agent in Charge of ATF's Tampa Field Division Virginia O'Brien "ran a gun-running investigation that was walking guns to Honduras using the techniques and tactics identical to Fast and Furious" contacted these correspondents again this evening with this follow-up report:


O'Brien is in full meltdown. She ordered supervisors from around the Division to report immediately to division offices and to plan on working through the entire weekend on the coverup.

Her partner in the bungle was ASAC Scott McCampbell. At one point the case was ready to be wrapped up with arrests and remain relatively efficient but O'Brien and McCampbell decided on their own to keep it going to "get more" against the advise of thier field employees and the walked guns numbers got out of control.

OB is terrified that her intentional concealing of her walked guns is going to do her in since she disregarded orders to report to DOJ and Congress.

Nearly the same culprits above her are on the hook for this. Chait knew about it so did Hoover and Melson. The new player is DAD East Julie Torres. She took O'Brien's old DAD job when OB went to Tampa and has given OB carte blanche to do whatever she wants with little oversight.

Reportedly the shredders are buzzing.


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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #67 on: July 07, 2011, 09:13:10 PM »
WEDNESDAY, JULY 6, 2011
Breaking News: Source claims ATF's Tampa SAC walked guns to HONDURAS! Part of Operation Castaway? Exclusive Report by David Codrea & Mike Vanderboegh.

A. Brian Albritton, United States Attorney for the Middle District of Florida. It may not look like it, but that chair he's sitting in just became the latest hot seat of the Gunwalker Scandal.

Breaking News: Source claims ATF's Tampa SAC walked guns to Honduras. Part of Operation Castaway?

Exclusive Special Report by David Codrea and Mike Vanderboegh.

Virginia O’Brien, Special Agent in Charge at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Tampa Field Division, ran a gun-running investigation that was walking guns to Honduras using the techniques and tactics identical to Fast and Furious, it was reported to these correspondents this evening via private correspondence from a proven credible source.

On 21 September, 2010, A. Brian Albritton, United States Attorney for the Middle District of Florida issued a press release on Operation Castaway:

United States Attorney A. Brian Albritton, Virginia O’Brien, Special Agent in Charge of central and northern Florida Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) operations, and Susan McCormick, Special Agent in Charge, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), Homeland Security Investigations, Tampa Field Office announce the initial results of Operation Castaway, an intensive and wideranging Organized Crime and Drug Enforcement Task Force ("OCDETF") firearms trafficking investigation conducted by ATF, ICE, the Orange County Sheriff’s Office, the Osceola County Sheriff’s Office, the Brevard County Sheriff’s Office, and the Miami-Dade Police Department. ATF describes Operation Castaway as the most significant firearms trafficking investigation in Central Florida history.

According to court documents, a group of defendants connected to Hugh Crumpler, III, were involved in a major international gun trafficking operation. . . . Firearms like those involved in this investigation are often smuggled through Honduras and other Central and South American countries before being used in violent crimes in Mexico and other countries in the region. A number of the firearms trafficked by the defendants in Operation Castaway have been linked to violent crimes around the world.


The press release concluded, "This case is being prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorneys J. Bishop Ravenel and E. Jackson Boggs. Operation Castaway remains an ongoing investigation."

SAC O’Brien was previously the Special Agent in Charge of the Phoenix Field Division, was later promoted to the Deputy Assistant Director of ATF, but then stepped down to the position in Tampa. Whether the allegations of our source refer to the on-going Operation Castaway remains at this hour unclear, but our source is certain that O'Brien has allowed the "walking" of straw-purchased firearms to Honduras using the same failed strategy as the Phoenix Field Division's Operation Fast and Furious. That Operation Castaway involved arms smuggling to Honduras is also certain.

"This is confirmed as accurate," the correspondence continued. "There are emails in existence where O’Brien has advised those involved that Tampa does not have to report their walked guns because Tampa FD is not a part of Southwest Border or Project Gunrunner."

"From a first person source she is shitting herself trying to cover it up," the report stated.

No one from ATF is available at this late hour to approach for comment. This information has also reportedly been disclosed to Chairman Darrell Issa of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform and Ranking Senate Judiciary Committee Member Charles Grassley for follow-up and investigation.

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #68 on: July 08, 2011, 05:43:38 AM »
Thursday, July 7, 2011
Honduras? Why would ATF walk guns to Honduras? 1. The national scope of the Gunwalker Scandal & 2.

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/07/honduras-why-would-atf-walk-guns-to.html






Because that's where some of the action is.

"It's just another little garden-variety act of war between hemispheric friends. What's the big deal?"

"Why would ATF walk guns to Honduras?" asks a reader. That's easy.

First, and this is important to understand: the Tampa operation proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that "Project Gunwalker" was a national strategy, not a Phoenix aberration. The "major media" has been slow to understand this. They have ignored the fact that the Houston Field Division had to have played a supervisory role in known straw buying incidents in Dallas and Columbus NM as they are in their area of operations, not Phoenix's. Original reporting on this subject from Texas has been pitiful.

Second, Honduras is where the action is.

As Borderland Beat reported back in November of last year, Honduras: Mexican Cartels Work Closely with Street Gangs.


Attorney General Roy David Urtecho says that street gangs in his country are seeking to establish direct business contacts with Colombian and Mexican cartels and they have also tried to take over all drug smuggling operations in the Central American nation of Honduras.

The gangs known as MS-13 and M-18, have recruited over 70,00 youths who have traditionally been the lookouts and sicarios for the capos, but they are now making an effort to take formal control of the drug trade within their own country.

Commenting at an international forum on law enforcement, Urtecho says that the Sinaloa cartel is one of the main groups that maintain a heavy presence in the area, and states that his country is an imprtant gateway for Colombian drugs to enter Mexico and the United States. He went further to say that Joaquín El Chapo Guzmán has stayed in Honduras at various times and continues to do so to this very day.


Writing at Insight on 14 April, Patrick Cocoran has more: Mexican Cartels Expand into Honduras


Honduran officials report that Mexican drug traffickers are expanding their activities in the country and forming links with local bosses in four different provinces, fuelling concerns that organized crime is overwhelming the region.

According to Prensa Latina, Security Minister Oscar Alvarez said that the Sinaloa Cartel and the Zetas have been detected in Ocotepeque, Copan, Colon and Atlantida. The four northern states form much of the Atlantic coastline in Honduras, as well as a large chunk of the border with Guatemala. The Mexicans, Alvarez said, move freely throughout these regions, but rather than seeking to take over areas, the foreign gangs are working through already existing networks of local bosses to increase their presence and expand their operations.

This comes weeks after the discovery of a cocaine-processing lab, which are typically found in the Andean producer nations. This is the first such finding in Central America, and suggests a threat that is mutating. Currently, an estimated 400 tons of cocaine pass through the region on an annual basis, but Central America has not historically been a cocaine-processing region. Alvarez says that the goal for Honduras is to prevent Mexican gangs from laying down enduring roots in the country.

Authorities say that the Honduran cocaine lab was operated by the Sinaloa cartel. Arms stores belonging to the same group have also been captured in Honduras. The shift of cocaine processing from the Colombia, Peru and other Andean nations to Central America could fundamentally shift the economics of the cocaine supply chain. Rather than the South Americans controlling two vital steps in the process—i.e. the collection of the coca base and its processing in laboratories to produce crystallized cocaine—the Colombians would be left just supplying the base. This, in turn, would allow the Mexicans to derive significantly more profit, because instead of buying kilos of cocaine for up to $3,000, they can pay just $1,000 for the base and process it themselves, before selling it in U.S. for up to thirty times that amount.·

Furthermore, this would shorten the distance that the cocaine needs to travel, which would both lower the transportation costs and decrease the chance of seizure. As a major center of operations, Central America is all the more appealing because the weaker law-enforcement agencies mean that there is less chance that expensive cocaine will be seized, which further reinforces the profitability of a northward shift.·

The threat from organized crime to Central America is arguably more serious than in any other region of the Western Hemisphere. The isthmus has been a vital trafficking route ever since the restriction of the Caribbean route connecting the Colombian jungles to the retail markets in Miami and the rest of the United States. However,·the past decade has brought about a particular significant deterioration of security in Central America, with murder rates in Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador among the highest in the world.

The incursion of Mexican drug traffickers has been most widely reported in Guatemala, as the Guatemalan government has struggled to prevent the incursion of the Zetas into states like Alta Verapaz and Peten. (Of course, there have also been reports that, far from combating them, elements of the Guatemalan governments are actually selling arms to groups linked to the Zetas.) Street gangs in Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador like MS-13 and M-18 have also forged stronger links with the Mexican gangs.
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Geoffrey Ramsey, also writing in Insight on 25 April notes "Cable: Honduran Military Supplied Weaponry to Cartels."


As Mexican cartels infiltrate Central America, corrupt elements within the region’s militaries from places like Honduras are providing them with arms far superior to those of local police. But the question remains: Just how many of the weapons used by Mexican cartels come from military stockpiles in Central America versus civilian gun stores in the United States?

The question is central. The source of the guns fueling a war that has left over 36,000 dead in Mexico since December 2006, has governments and advocate groups on both sides of the border pointing fingers. Mexico is reportedly considering suing U.S. gunmakers, reports CBS News.

But gun stores along the U.S. border states are only one source of weaponry used in Mexico. As InSight has reported, Guatemala's military stockpiles have been filtered illegally to the Zetas criminal gang. On top of this, according to a 2008 U.S. diplomatic cable first obtained by WikiLeaks and recently released by McClatchy, the Honduran military has “lost” several U.S.-supplied military weapons in recent years.

The cable, avaliable below, cites a Defense Intelligence Agency report entitled “Honduras: Military Weapons Fuel Black Arms Market,” which noted that the serial numbers on light anti-tank weapons recovered in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico and San Andres Island, Colombia, matched the numbers on guns that had previously been sold to Honduras. In addition to the guns, U.S. authorities seized a number of M433 grenades from criminal groups in Mexico, which were also traced back to the Honduran army.

Such revelations, when paired with recent allegations of high-level government links to drug trafficking in Honduras, present a dim forecast for anti-arms trafficking efforts in Central America. They also add fuel to an already heated debate over the cartels' main source of arms. While testifying to the U.S. Senate on March 30, General Douglas Fraser, the head of the U.S. Southern Command, implied that corrupt military officers in Central America bear most of the responsibility for arming Mexican drug traffickers.

"Over 50 percent of the military-type weapons that are flowing throughout the region have a large source between Central American stockpiles, if you will, left over from wars and conflicts in the past," said Fraser.

Since then, major media outlets like the AFP and McClatchy have picked up the comment, casting it as proof that Central American military arms are fueling Mexico’s drug violence.

But while General Fraser’s comment that over 50 percent of “military-type” weapons come from Central America may be true, it is misleading. The weapons coming from Central America only account for military-grade arms, which include anti-tank weapons as well as M-16 and G36 assault rifles.

The civilian versions of these weapons, such as the AR-15 and the AK-47 variants, account for many more of the seizures made in Mexico, according to several United States Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) sources consulted by InSight. Indeed, ATF agents have repeatedly told InSight that the most commonly carried weapons by cartel foot soldiers are modified, automatic AK-47 variants from Romania and China. These cheaper versions are readily available in many American gun stores and bought, legally, by straw buyers at the behest of middlemen who sell them, illegally, en masse to the cartels in Mexico.


"Middlemen" including the ATF, apparently. One wonders how the Honduran government is going to react to the next lecture from the State Department on how sloppy they are with the military weapons we've sold/given them? Not very well, I would imagine.

Oh, well, just another garden-variety Obama administration act of war on another sovereign nation.

What's the big deal? Nothing to see here, citizens. Move along.

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #69 on: July 08, 2011, 09:50:20 AM »
The Puzzle of 'Operation Fast and Furious' When Will Team Obama Come Clean?
foxnews.com ^ | July 08, 2011 | John Lott





The Puzzle of 'Operation Fast and Furious' When Will Team Obama Come Clean About Failed Gun Program?


There are two puzzles in the so-called “Gunwalker” or “Operation Fast and Furious” case. This is the shocking case where Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) agents ordered American gun dealers to sell guns to obvious Mexican drug gangs over the objections of the gun dealers.


Here are just some of the questions that the Obama administration still has not answered:


1. Why would the government go through with the policy when it was seemingly obvious to everyone that there was no law-enforcement benefit to the operation?


2. Why won’t the Obama administration remove Acting Director Ken Melson from continuing to run the agency?


The Obama administration claims that guns were sold to Mexican drug gangs with the hope of tracking those guns. Yet, everyone involved in the operation knows that there were no mechanisms available for following the guns once they have left the gun stores. There were no also tracking devices placed on the guns used in the operation.


(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #70 on: July 08, 2011, 10:03:30 AM »
fall guy will take the blame for it.  then he'll get a cushy job.  business as usual!

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #71 on: July 08, 2011, 10:07:27 AM »
fall guy will take the blame for it.  then he'll get a cushy job.  business as usual!

If you had your way in order to kneepad and suck obama's cock, yes, because you love this commie traitor. 

but for the rest of us, no, we are holding issa and grassley to hold your marxist messiah to account and hopefully he will end up in Attica for life for what he has done. 

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #72 on: July 08, 2011, 10:11:07 AM »
If you had your way in order to kneepad and suck obama's cock, yes, because you love this commie traitor. 

dayum.

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #73 on: July 08, 2011, 10:12:12 AM »
dayum.

Its the truth.   

You are like a cum rag for obama. 

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Re: Obama Admn allowed guns to run to Honduras under "Operation Castaway"
« Reply #74 on: July 09, 2011, 08:51:01 AM »



Time for prison for obama and holder.