How long before the attacks on Perry begin?

[Dos Equis]

Lol. I wonder how many posts on this thread are not attacks on each other?


So when is anyone other than  cut and pasters going to talk about Perry's politics?

lol.  I was thinking the same thing.   

[OzmO]

http://www.issues2000.org/Rick_Perry.htm

Summary of Perry from the same site that showed Michelle Bachmann hypocrisy as a cummunist traitor.

[Dos Equis]

This one is pretty good too.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Perry

[Dos Equis]

http://www.issues2000.org/Rick_Perry.htm

Summary of Perry from the same site that showed Michelle Bachmann hypocrisy as a cummunist traitor.

That's a great website.

[OzmO]

That's a great website.

Yeah PIP linked it.  Seems to be a Good way to see a voting record.

[Dos Equis]

Well that didn't take long.  lol . . . .

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/14/dominionism-michele-bachmann-and-rick-perry-s-dangerous-religious-bond.html

 A Christian Plot for Domination?
Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry aren't just devout—both have deep ties to a fringe fundamentalist movement known as Dominionism, which says Christians should rule the world.

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 With Tim Pawlenty out of the presidential race, it is now fairly clear that the GOP candidate will either be Mitt Romney or someone who makes George W. Bush look like Tom Paine. Of the three most plausible candidates for the Republican nomination, two are deeply associated with a theocratic strain of Christian fundamentalism known as Dominionism. If you want to understand Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry, understanding Dominionism isn’t optional.

Put simply, Dominionism means that Christians have a God-given right to rule all earthly institutions. Originating among some of America’s most radical theocrats, it’s long had an influence on religious-right education and political organizing. But because it seems so outré, getting ordinary people to take it seriously can be difficult. Most writers, myself included, who explore it have been called paranoid. In a contemptuous 2006 First Things review of several books, including Kevin Phillips’ American Theocracy, and my own Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism, conservative columnist Ross Douthat wrote, “the fear of theocracy has become a defining panic of the Bush era.”

Now, however, we have the most theocratic Republican field in American history, and suddenly, the concept of Dominionism is reaching mainstream audiences. Writing about Bachmann in The New Yorker this month, Ryan Lizza spent several paragraphs explaining how the premise fit into the Minnesota congresswoman’s intellectual and theological development. And a recent Texas Observer cover story on Rick Perry examined his relationship with the New Apostolic Reformation, a Dominionist variant of Pentecostalism that coalesced about a decade ago. “[W]hat makes the New Apostolic Reformation movement so potent is its growing fascination with infiltrating politics and government,” wrote Forrest Wilder. Its members “believe Christians—certain Christians—are destined to not just take ‘dominion’ over government, but stealthily climb to the commanding heights of what they term the ‘Seven Mountains’ of society, including the media and the arts and entertainment world.”

In many ways, Dominionism is more a political phenomenon than a theological one. It cuts across Christian denominations, from stern, austere sects to the signs-and-wonders culture of modern megachurches. Think of it like political Islamism, which shapes the activism of a number of antagonistic fundamentalist movements, from Sunni Wahabis in the Arab world to Shiite fundamentalists in Iran.

Dominionism derives from a small fringe sect called Christian Reconstructionism, founded by a Calvinist theologian named R. J. Rushdoony in the 1960s. Christian Reconstructionism openly advocates replacing American law with the strictures of the Old Testament, replete with the death penalty for homosexuality, abortion, and even apostasy. The appeal of Christian Reconstructionism is, obviously, limited, and mainstream Christian right figures like Ralph Reed have denounced it.

 
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But while Rushdoony was a totalitarian, he was a prolific and influential one—he elaborated his theories in a number of books, including the massive, three-volume Institutes of Biblical Law. And his ideas, along with those of his followers, have had an incalculable impact on the milieu that spawned both Bachmann and Perry.

Rushdoony pioneered the Christian homeschooling movement, as well as the revisionist history, ubiquitous on the religious right, that paints the U.S. as a Christian nation founded on biblical principles. He consistently defended Southern slavery and contrasted it with the greater evils of socialism: “The law here is humane and also unsentimental,” he wrote. “It recognizes that some people are by nature slaves and will always be so ... Socialism, on the contrary, tries to give the slave all the advantages of his security together with the benefits of freedom, and in the process, destroys both the free and the enslaved.”

Rushdoony’s most influential idea was the concept of Dominionism, which spread far beyond the Christian Reconstructionist fringe. “‘Dominion theologians,’ as they are called, lay great emphasis on Genesis 1:26–7, where God tells Adam to assume dominion over the animate and inanimate world,” wrote the scholar Garry Wills in his book Under God: Religion and American Politics, describing the influence of the ideology on Pat Robertson. “When man fell, his control over creation was forfeited; but the saved, who are restored by baptism, can claim again the rights given Adam.”

Related StoriesJill Lawrence: The GOP’s Three to Beat x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x  x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x For believers in Dominionism, rule by non-Christians is a sort of sacrilege—which explains, in part, the theological fury that has accompanied the election of our last two Democratic presidents. “Christians have an obligation, a mandate, a commission, a holy responsibility to reclaim the land for Jesus Christ—to have dominion in civil structures, just as in every other aspect of life and godliness,” wrote George Grant, the former executive director of Coral Ridge Ministries, which has since changed its name to Truth in Action Ministries. “But it is dominion we are after. Not just a voice ... It is dominion we are after. Not just equal time ... World conquest.”
Bachmann is close to Truth in Action Ministries; last year, she appeared in one of its documentaries, Socialism: A Clear and Present Danger. In it, she espoused the idea, common in Reconstructionist circles, that the government has no right to collect taxes in excess of 10 percent, the amount that believers are called to tithe to the church. On her state-senate-campaign website, she recommended a book co-authored by Grant titled Call of Duty: The Sterling Nobility of Robert E. Lee, which, as Lizza reported, depicted the civil war as a battle between the devout Christian South and the Godless North, and lauded slavery as a benevolent institution. “The unity and companionship that existed between the races in the South prior to the war was the fruit of a common faith,” the book said.

One could go on and on listing the Dominionist influences on Bachmann’s thinking. She often cites Francis Schaeffer, the godfather of the anti-abortion movement, who held seminars on Rushdoony’s work and helped disseminate his ideas to a larger evangelical audience. John Eidsmoe, an Oral Roberts University professor who, she’s said, “had a great influence on me,” is a Christian Reconstructionist. She often praises the Christian nationalist historian David Barton, who is intimately associated with the Christian Reconstructionist movement; an article about slavery on the website of his organization, Wallbuilders, defends the institution’s biblical basis, with extensive citations of Rushdoony. (“God's laws concerning slavery provided parameters for treatment of slaves, which were for the benefit of all involved,” it says.)

In elaborating Bachmann’s Dominionist history, though, it’s important to point out that she is not unique. Perry tends to be regarded as marginally more reasonable than Bachmann, but he is as closely associated with Dominionism as she is, though his links are to a different strain of the ideology.

For believers in Dominionism, rule by non-Christians is a sort of sacrilege.
The Christian Reconstructionists tend to be skeptical of Pentecostalism, with its magic, prophesies, speaking in tongues, and wild ecstasies. Certainly, there are overlaps between the traditions—Oral Roberts, where Bachmann studied with Eidsmoe, was a Pentecostal school. But it’s only recently that one group of Pentecostals, the New Apostolic Reformation, has created its own distinct Dominionist movement. And members see Perry as their ticket to power.

“The New Apostles talk about taking dominion over American society in pastoral terms,” wrote Wilder in the Texas Observer. “They refer to the ‘Seven Mountains’ of society: family, religion, arts and entertainment, media, government, education, and business. These are the nerve centers of society that God (or his people) must control.” He quotes a sermon from Tom Schlueter, New Apostolic pastor close to Perry. “We’re going to infiltrate [the government], not run from it. I know why God’s doing what he’s doing ... He’s just simply saying, ‘Tom I’ve given you authority in a governmental authority, and I need you to infiltrate the governmental mountain.”

According to Wilder, members of the New Apostolic Reformation see Perry as their vehicle to claim the “mountain” of government. Some have told Perry that Texas is a “prophet state,” destined, with his leadership, to bring America back to God. The movement was deeply involved in The Response, the massive prayer rally that Perry hosted in Houston earlier this month. “Eight members of The Response ‘leadership team’ are affiliated with the New Apostolic Reformation movement,” wrote Wilder. “The long list of The Response’s official endorses—posted on the event’s website—reads like a Who’s Who of the apostolic-prophetic crowd, including movement founder C. Peter Wagner.”

We have not seen this sort of thing at the highest levels of the Republican Party before. Those of us who wrote about the Christian fundamentalist influence on the Bush administration were alarmed that one of his advisers, Marvin Olasky, was associated with Christian Reconstructionism. It seemed unthinkable, at the time, that an American president was taking advice from even a single person whose ideas were so inimical to democracy. Few of us imagined that someone who actually championed such ideas would have a shot at the White House. It turns out we weren’t paranoid enough. If Bush eroded the separation of church and state, the GOP is now poised to nominate someone who will mount an all-out assault on it. We need to take their beliefs seriously, because they certainly do.

[Dos Equis]

Chris Matthews: Rick Perry A 'Clown' Full Of 'Texas B.S.' (VIDEO)
First Posted: 8/13/11 01:27 PM ET Updated: 8/13/11

Chris Matthews didn't mince words on his Friday show when it came to the newest entrant into the GOP presidential race.

Rick Perry formally entered the 2012 campaign on Saturday, but everyone knew that he was running days before. On Friday's "Hardball," Matthews made it clear that he doesn't think much of the Texas governor. As he watched the footage MSNBC was playing of Perry, Matthews openly mocked him--and his Texas ways.

"He looks like a clown," Matthews said. "He dresses very fancy. There's something about the way that he puts himself together that doesn't look authentic. He looks like, I don't know, a wax figure pretending to be governor. There's something about him that doesn't add up to me. Maybe it's this Texas B.S., this boots and tuxedo thing they do down there. Why does it work? Outside of Texas it doesn't travel very well."

Matthews also criticized Perry for mangling the history of Texas' relationship with the rest of the U.S. Matthews said that, unlike what Perry has claimed, Texas never had any clause in its founding documents that allowed it to secede from America. He wondered whether Perry was being "deliberately ignorant" in his telling of the state's history.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/13/chris-matthews-rick-perry_n_926193.html

[Soul Crusher]

I love it that the commies and obama bots are getting scared.   

They see the writing on the wall.   Bozo is done.   

[jesusbod]

I don't think the gay rumors/history are that big of a deal.  Bachmann's hubby speaks with a lisp and takes federal money to "un gay" people and it was barely a blip on the radar.

As far as perry's performance - tell me about that, Beach Bum, since you brought it up.  I heard the TX debt has TRIPLED under Perry.   I also heard he used a lot of Obama federal stim $ to create these jobs.  Oh, and that TX leads the nation in min wage jobs.

I live in Texas and I can tell you things are a lot better here than most places across the country. Perry has his flaws such as border security and the fact that he was Al Gores Campaign manager in Texas but other than that you can't knock a guy down when the amount of jobs in the Country are about as high as they come. May not be the best paying jobs but they are jobs and right now in this economy I don't think people in Texas are bitching as much about that as other in the rest of the country that have NO jobs.

Perry would be a good fit for the Presidency. Doesn't mess with the illegals or the gays but is fiscally conservative to a degree. He would be a right down the middle kind of guy. He will get a long with the Dumocrats just as well as the Rhino's....

[GigantorX]

Chris Matthews: Rick Perry A 'Clown' Full Of 'Texas B.S.' (VIDEO)
First Posted: 8/13/11 01:27 PM ET Updated: 8/13/11

Chris Matthews didn't mince words on his Friday show when it came to the newest entrant into the GOP presidential race.

Rick Perry formally entered the 2012 campaign on Saturday, but everyone knew that he was running days before. On Friday's "Hardball," Matthews made it clear that he doesn't think much of the Texas governor. As he watched the footage MSNBC was playing of Perry, Matthews openly mocked him--and his Texas ways.

"He looks like a clown," Matthews said. "He dresses very fancy. There's something about the way that he puts himself together that doesn't look authentic. He looks like, I don't know, a wax figure pretending to be governor. There's something about him that doesn't add up to me. Maybe it's this Texas B.S., this boots and tuxedo thing they do down there. Why does it work? Outside of Texas it doesn't travel very well."

Matthews also criticized Perry for mangling the history of Texas' relationship with the rest of the U.S. Matthews said that, unlike what Perry has claimed, Texas never had any clause in its founding documents that allowed it to secede from America. He wondered whether Perry was being "deliberately ignorant" in his telling of the state's history.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/13/chris-matthews-rick-perry_n_926193.html

Matthews, and MSNBC as a whole, is a fucking embarrassment to journilsm and cable news and any other "news" source/outlet/channel/StreetWise seller out there...........and considering the sad shape of the above establishments, that's fucking saying something.

MSNBC makes Fox News look like a shinning beacon of journalistic power and ethics.

You want to talk about a 24/7/365 hate machine? Turn MSNBC on, especially now that their lord and savior is shitting the bed and making them (Obama's glee club) look real, real stupid. The station is nothing but Republican this and Republican that. If its all you watched you would think that the Republicans were the only party in D.C. It's all negative, all hate, all vitriol, all the damn time. From Schultz to Bashir, Olbermann (even now on his new failed channel), Maddow and even the mid-day "new reporting" hate robots they have...all hate, all negative, all attacks all the time.

The same fucking hyocrits that were taking the Rep. Giffords shooting and blaming it ALL on the Right for the "harmful" and "charged" rhetoric....my god. Turn on MSNBC and they are talking all sorts of crazy shit towards the Right....the Right and how much they hate them is all they talk about.

Fucking funny.

[OzmO]

I live in Texas and I can tell you things are a lot better here than most places across the country. Perry has his flaws such as border security and the fact that he was Al Gores Campaign manager in Texas but other than that you can't knock a guy down when the amount of jobs in the Country are about as high as they come. May not be the best paying jobs but they are jobs and right now in this economy I don't think people in Texas are bitching as much about that as other in the rest of the country that have NO jobs.

Perry would be a good fit for the Presidency. Doesn't mess with the illegals or the gays but is fiscally conservative to a degree. He would be a right down the middle kind of guy. He will get a long with the Dumocrats just as well as the Rhino's....

That's kind of what i am seeing, him being more centrists. 

[Dos Equis]

Perry has his flaws such as border security and the fact that he was Al Gores Campaign manager in Texas

I don't think him being a former Democrat is a flaw.  His father was a big-time Democrat.  Perfectly understandable that he started off left of center.  But like a lot of people, he became more conservative as he got older.  At least that's my initial read. 

[Dos Equis]

Matthews, and MSNBC as a whole, is a fucking embarrassment to journilsm and cable news and any other "news" source/outlet/channel/StreetWise seller out there...........and considering the sad shape of the above establishments, that's fucking saying something.

MSNBC makes Fox News look like a shinning beacon of journalistic power and ethics.

You want to talk about a 24/7/365 hate machine? Turn MSNBC on, especially now that their lord and savior is shitting the bed and making them (Obama's glee club) look real, real stupid. The station is nothing but Republican this and Republican that. If its all you watched you would think that the Republicans were the only party in D.C. It's all negative, all hate, all vitriol, all the damn time. From Schultz to Bashir, Olbermann (even now on his new failed channel), Maddow and even the mid-day "new reporting" hate robots they have...all hate, all negative, all attacks all the time.

The same fucking hyocrits that were taking the Rep. Giffords shooting and blaming it ALL on the Right for the "harmful" and "charged" rhetoric....my god. Turn on MSNBC and they are talking all sorts of crazy shit towards the Right....the Right and how much they hate them is all they talk about.

Fucking funny.

Truth.  I can't watch that channel.  I didn't realize how big of a tool Matthews is.  They're all the same. 

[garebear]

Any day now, we should see stories in the media about Perry being "crazy," attacking his family, his religion, his sexual orientation, etc., etc.  Probably very little on the performance of the Texas economy during his tenure as governor.

Wa wa. I'm a tough Republican. Until, that is, the first person says anything against me.

Then I'm a victim of the liberal elite media.

Wa wa.

[Dos Equis]

Wa wa. I'm a tough Republican. Until, that is, the first person says anything against me.

Then I'm a victim of the liberal elite media.

Wa wa.

Wow.  A semi-serious post.  I don't know what to say . . . .

[240 is Back]

Wa wa. I'm a tough Republican. Until, that is, the first person says anything against me.

Then I'm a victim of the liberal elite media.

Wa wa.

yeah, i dont remember reagan whining and crying like a little punk.

today's crop is all "the media is attacking me..."

Hey, you've got the platform to answer tough Qs and make points about what a failure obama is.  Don't stand there and play the victim.  When Russia sets up bases in Cuba, or the IMF drops the dollar, or china demands repayment... will they cry and whine then too?


Sorry, but if Katie Couric and Jon Stewart are too tough for some of these candidates, I don't want to know how they'll handle a nuclear staredown.

They just don't make tough candidates anymore    Show me one that doesn't whine like a damn punk because the media picks on them.  hell, Newt was crying that CHRIS WALLACE was picking on him.  Geez.  man the fuuuk up.

[GigantorX]

yeah, i dont remember reagan whining and crying like a little punk.

today's crop is all "the media is attacking me..."

Hey, you've got the platform to answer tough Qs and make points about what a failure obama is.  Don't stand there and play the victim.  When Russia sets up bases in Cuba, or the IMF drops the dollar, or china demands repayment... will they cry and whine then too?


Sorry, but if Katie Couric and Jon Stewart are too tough for some of these candidates, I don't want to know how they'll handle a nuclear staredown.

They just don't make tough candidates anymore    Show me one that doesn't whine like a damn punk because the media picks on them.  hell, Newt was crying that CHRIS WALLACE was picking on him.  Geez.  man the fuuuk up.

 

[240 is Back]

but but but but but

yeah.  The ideal candidate would stand up and say "Man, you know what?  Ask anything you want.  i have nothing to hide.  if it's a stupid question, people will see thru it.  If it's a legit Q and I can't answer it, I'll find the answer for you.  If I'm clueless on simple things that I should know if I want to be your POTUS, then I don't deserve the job."

I'd admire the heck out of a candidate who did that.

Instead, it's "why ask me what I read... total gotcha question!  Why ask me about my campaign's chances, total gotcha question!"

A tough Q is a tough Q.  Stop whining about it candidates.  You wanna run the free world but some blogger at a town hall in Iowa is pwning you?  FAIL.

[The True Adonis]

Tell me about it.  One of the most telling things about his presidency (at least to me) was how the market tanked while he was speaking last week and really nose-dived after his speech.  He reeks of incompetence. 

Looks like his Prayer-a-Lapooza failed since this happened the day after. ROFLMAO

[garebear]

I love it that the commies and obama bots are getting scared.   

They see the writing on the wall.   Bozo is done.   

The robots are scared?

Um, don't you mean cyborgs who have learned to feel?

[George Whorewell]

The robots are scared?

Um, don't you mean cyborgs who have learned to feel?

I would make fun of you, but the challenge is gone.

[garebear]

I would make fun of you, but the challenge is gone.

Whorewell, nobody cares about your 'comments'.

[The True Adonis]

Please stop acting like your important on here. We've already got enough arrogant douche bags like Straw Man who do a good enough job using this board for validation of their existence. The only reason anyone bothers to reply to you is that: 1) you spam the fuck out of this board with your spinster shit and 2) you continue to carry on with the lie that you're conservative.

Texas has created 50% of all jobs in this country since 2009. In-fact, Texas has created more jobs than every state but NY and PA combined. Obama has lost millions of jobs. That's all that matters. No amount of spin from you will change those facts.  

I thought that the Private Sector was supposed to create jobs, not the Government. 

[Hugo Chavez]

TA, have you found anything worth a shit to back up the gay rumors about perry you started here?

[The True Adonis]

TA, have you found anything worth a shit to back up the gay rumors about perry you started here?

Yes.  Governor Perry PMed me yesterday morning asking for thong Pictures.