In regards to bodyfat...

[g101]

2 QUESTI0NS. H0W EARLY DID PHIL START USING SLIN? H0W MANY IUS D0 Y0U THINK HE USES RIGHT N0W. SLIN AND GH? 100 IU?

don't hijack the thread .. this is about ephedrine  

gh15 is right again.. my friends who take lotssssssss of ephedrine always have that high/glossy/glowing/shiney eyes look going on

[BiGHer]

Gh15 takes over and owns this thread.  Great bible index.  I will admit, I didn't use ephedrine or Diuretic during my last prep and I sat there wondering why I was smooth on stage  .  Stupid me, but lesson learned.

[cephissus]

should ephedrine always be in the bloodstream? or should it only be used for contest prep / resume photos much like diuretics? (in order to maintain health, i mean)

[Secret Stack]

has the thread starter been put on suicide watch yet 

[gh15]

should ephedrine always be in the bloodstream? or should it only be used for contest prep / resume photos much like diuretics? (in order to maintain health, i mean)

ephedrine shouold NOT be always in blood stream ...you dont want to walk dry 6% all year round,, no need for it ,,when ephedrine does what you needed it for you can pull it out and try to maintain ...but you will need the water to blow up only try to keep it lower level than from before...

gh15 approved

[supernick]

GH15 will a low dose of arimidex keep you dry?

[Galvatron]

This thread is a joke, just because you shout the loudest does not mean that you are correct. I think it's funny that gh15 accuses others of mistaking fat for water when it's in fact he who is doing it. You lose bodyfat via a caloric deficit, not via water manipulation. You can change your look by using diuretics but that does not mean that you are losing body fat. 

[g101]

This thread is a joke, just because you shout the loudest does not mean that you are correct. I think it's funny that gh15 accuses others of mistaking fat for water when it's in fact he who is doing it. You lose bodyfat via a caloric deficit, not via water manipulation. You can change your look by using diuretics but that does not mean that you are losing body fat. 

 

[Galvatron]

You're just another dude who can't think for himself. Are you saying that bodyfat is lost via water manipulation? Be specific or be quiet.

[BiGHer]

You're just another dude who can't think for himself. Are you saying that bodyfat is lost via water manipulation? Be specific or be quiet.

I'm going to educate you quickly while I eat my lunch here at work.  When gh15 refers to bodybuilders, he is talking about horminzed bodybuilders, not naturals, and when it comes to bodybuilding there is no such thing as natural.  Yes, sure, they exist and enjoy being 180 lbs 6%, but that's not what is being talked about.  Bodybuilders who will actually be remembered, like Arnold or Serge Nubret, or Jay Cutler.  50 years from now, in the bodybuilding cult, those guys will still be mentioned.  Liars like Layne Norton will be remembered as "that guy" who was good looking for a "natural" (""'s because we know he isn't).  

Now with bodybuilders, they hold little to no fat due to all the hormones they are on.  Even when you see guys "fat" in the offseason, they are not fat.  They are just water logged from long esthers and HGH and no diuretics or ephedrine.  Top pros doing guest posings are a good example of this look.  When gh15 is calling out guys bf %'s he is talking about strictly FAT.  They look fat because of all the water bloating them or that is sitting between the muscle and skin, BUT very little of it is actual FAT.  Understanding the difference in the look is where it gets tricky.  For naturals, real naturals, they eat very clean and do lots of cardio so they have little to no fat, BUT they are not on diuretics or anything to help them cut water so their body's natural water retention remains and also the additional water retention from the creatine and whey protein powders and all other supplements that naturals use that cause water retention, again, as has been said before, it blurrs lines, cuts, and abs, and then becomes mistooken for fat.  People here get frustrated because they don't understand and have a difficulty seeing the difference.  Have one of these naturals with a bf% that you disagree with gh15's call on pop a diuretic.  A REAL DIURETIC.  Dyazide, lasix, aldactone, etc... and WATCH... all of sudden you'll be like "oh wow now he does look like what gh15 said" and it won't be because they all of a sudden lost 5-10 lbs of fat lol, it'll be because the water is gone!  With bodybuilders (the real ones now), those lbs of water can be 20-30!  

Don't get frustrated because you don't see it.  Take some time and look at off season photos of guys.  Look at contest shape guys.  Look at naturals the same way.  Look at people who are actually 15-20% bf.  Take the time to do these things and you will see the difference and appreciate more what is being talked about.

Remember, nowhere in any of those claims of bf% did gh15 claim that a guy had a really good physique.  He just stated what % of their body was ACTUAL FAT and he wants you to understand (he's helping you be a better bodybuilder really) that WATER on the body and FAT on the body are two different things and look totally different.

[gh15]

i thought the same that caffeine was needed aswell but I think it's only for the "kick" and does nothing for water/fat ... 

sooo...

there you go...

the bigger you aore as a profesional or amatuer the more epehdrine you will use...what do you thin kwe all walk dry just because our genetic make us dry? we are wet sakcs of shit ,, we sit 6% and you think we are 12 % we are wet!! its the amphetamines who get us dry and prep ready,,every the damn natural use them

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[gh15]

GH15 will a low dose of arimidex keep you dry?

will keep you dry and flatter,, it will prevent important estrogen from being in system ,, you want some estrogen ,, its the loads of amphetamines on big bodybuilder who get it ready not some stupid arimidex,,masterona and ephedrine again doesnt hav eto be high dose epehdrine if you are 190lb bodybuilder...but it is the combo of 2 that create YUMMIE bodyes ask the homo fella from this boarding gay or bay whatever his name is he will confirm

gh15 approved

[gh15]

This thread is a joke, just because you shout the loudest does not mean that you are correct. I think it's funny that gh15 accuses others of mistaking fat for water when it's in fact he who is doing it. You lose bodyfat via a caloric deficit, not via water manipulation. You can change your look by using diuretics but that does not mean that you are losing body fat. 

retard ,, it needs to be BODYFAT to begin with ,, the pictures i have seen had lower bodyfat and more water!,, hormonal water,, dont misguide them ,, pupils ignore!

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[gh15]

You're just another dude who can't think for himself. Are you saying that bodyfat is lost via water manipulation? Be specific or be quiet.

again ,, its water that is problem of hormonized fellas not bodyfat! those 20lb you need to lose...are WATER,, and they are much less than 20lb ....5lb of water reveal underneath SHITLOAD OF DEAILED MUSCLE,, 5 lb!

you need to reread bible i have no time to explain this to infantils

gh15 approved

[gh15]

I'm going to educate you quickly while I eat my lunch here at work.  When gh15 refers to bodybuilders, he is talking about horminzed bodybuilders, not naturals, and when it comes to bodybuilding there is no such thing as natural.  Yes, sure, they exist and enjoy being 180 lbs 6%, but that's not what is being talked about.  Bodybuilders who will actually be remembered, like Arnold or Serge Nubret, or Jay Cutler.  50 years from now, in the bodybuilding cult, those guys will still be mentioned.  Liars like Layne Norton will be remembered as "that guy" who was good looking for a "natural" (""'s because we know he isn't).  

Now with bodybuilders, they hold little to no fat due to all the hormones they are on.  Even when you see guys "fat" in the offseason, they are not fat.  They are just water logged from long esthers and HGH and no diuretics or ephedrine.  Top pros doing guest posings are a good example of this look.  When gh15 is calling out guys bf %'s he is talking about strictly FAT.  They look fat because of all the water bloating them or that is sitting between the muscle and skin, BUT very little of it is actual FAT.  Understanding the difference in the look is where it gets tricky.  For naturals, real naturals, they eat very clean and do lots of cardio so they have little to no fat, BUT they are not on diuretics or anything to help them cut water so their body's natural water retention remains and also the additional water retention from the creatine and whey protein powders and all other supplements that naturals use that cause water retention, again, as has been said before, it blurrs lines, cuts, and abs, and then becomes mistooken for fat.  People here get frustrated because they don't understand and have a difficulty seeing the difference.  Have one of these naturals with a bf% that you disagree with gh15's call on pop a diuretic.  A REAL DIURETIC.  Dyazide, lasix, aldactone, etc... and WATCH... all of sudden you'll be like "oh wow now he does look like what gh15 said" and it won't be because they all of a sudden lost 5-10 lbs of fat lol, it'll be because the water is gone!  With bodybuilders (the real ones now), those lbs of water can be 20-30!  

Don't get frustrated because you don't see it.  Take some time and look at off season photos of guys.  Look at contest shape guys.  Look at naturals the same way.  Look at people who are actually 15-20% bf.  Take the time to do these things and you will see the difference and appreciate more what is being talked about.

Remember, nowhere in any of those claims of bf% did gh15 claim that a guy had a really good physique.  He just stated what % of their body was ACTUAL FAT and he wants you to understand (he's helping you be a better bodybuilder really) that WATER on the body and FAT on the body are two different things and look totally different.

finaly ,, yes yes this is exactly it

the only diff i will put here is that the true natural insted of 180lb 6% will most likley be 170lb 6% and on a good day!  this is 5'10! and even that fella will be on fat burner and already did some shit in the past as in some oral halodrola or something,, but yes over all true naturals...165-175lb 6% and those are THE SUPERB naturals

gh15 approved

[El Diablo Blanco]

I'm going to educate you quickly while I eat my lunch here at work.  When gh15 refers to bodybuilders, he is talking about horminzed bodybuilders, not naturals, and when it comes to bodybuilding there is no such thing as natural.  Yes, sure, they exist and enjoy being 180 lbs 6%, but that's not what is being talked about.  Bodybuilders who will actually be remembered, like Arnold or Serge Nubret, or Jay Cutler.  50 years from now, in the bodybuilding cult, those guys will still be mentioned.  Liars like Layne Norton will be remembered as "that guy" who was good looking for a "natural" (""'s because we know he isn't).  

Now with bodybuilders, they hold little to no fat due to all the hormones they are on.  Even when you see guys "fat" in the offseason, they are not fat.  They are just water logged from long esthers and HGH and no diuretics or ephedrine.  Top pros doing guest posings are a good example of this look.  When gh15 is calling out guys bf %'s he is talking about strictly FAT.  They look fat because of all the water bloating them or that is sitting between the muscle and skin, BUT very little of it is actual FAT.  Understanding the difference in the look is where it gets tricky.  For naturals, real naturals, they eat very clean and do lots of cardio so they have little to no fat, BUT they are not on diuretics or anything to help them cut water so their body's natural water retention remains and also the additional water retention from the creatine and whey protein powders and all other supplements that naturals use that cause water retention, again, as has been said before, it blurrs lines, cuts, and abs, and then becomes mistooken for fat.  People here get frustrated because they don't understand and have a difficulty seeing the difference.  Have one of these naturals with a bf% that you disagree with gh15's call on pop a diuretic.  A REAL DIURETIC.  Dyazide, lasix, aldactone, etc... and WATCH... all of sudden you'll be like "oh wow now he does look like what gh15 said" and it won't be because they all of a sudden lost 5-10 lbs of fat lol, it'll be because the water is gone!  With bodybuilders (the real ones now), those lbs of water can be 20-30!  

Don't get frustrated because you don't see it.  Take some time and look at off season photos of guys.  Look at contest shape guys.  Look at naturals the same way.  Look at people who are actually 15-20% bf.  Take the time to do these things and you will see the difference and appreciate more what is being talked about.

Remember, nowhere in any of those claims of bf% did gh15 claim that a guy had a really good physique.  He just stated what % of their body was ACTUAL FAT and he wants you to understand (he's helping you be a better bodybuilder really) that WATER on the body and FAT on the body are two different things and look totally different.

What bullshit.  You ever see "offseason" bodybuilders guest posing looking like the fucking michelin man?  That is not just water but fat.  Do you think Heath or Cutler show up for a guest posing without ingesting a shit load of diuretics so they don't look 1/2 as bad?

You think Cutler magically takes 20 water pills the night before the Olympia and is ripped and ready to go? 

Sure they are holding water but a lot of these fuckers get FAT, then they up the dosage and "diet" down.

[gh15]

What bullshit.  You ever see "offseason" bodybuilders guest posing looking like the fucking michelin man?  That is not just water but fat.  Do you think Heath or Cutler show up for a guest posing without ingesting a shit load of diuretics so they don't look 1/2 as bad?

You think Cutler magically takes 20 water pills the night before the Olympia and is ripped and ready to go? 

Sure they are holding water but a lot of these fuckers get FAT, then they up the dosage and "diet" down.

NO! THIS IS COMPLET AND UTTER NONESENSE! THIS IS STRAIGHT OUT NOT TRUE,, IT IS WATER WE HOLD AND IT IS REDUCED BY THE HOURS AND DAYS VAND IT IS DONE FAST,, YES WE EAT CLEANER WE GO FISH AND RICE BUT! IT IS WATER WE LOSE ,, YOU DONT LOSE NO FAT IN 4 WEEKS MAYBE 1-2 % WHAT WE LOSE IS THE FUCKIN WATER WEIGHT,, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS FELLA PICTURE THE ONE YOU JSUT PUT DOWN ....HE IS WHAT REAL BODYBUILLDER LOOK LIKE!!! TAKE A LOOK AT HIM PUT IT NEXT TO JASON PICTURE FROM AGE 20....AND YOU WILL SEE THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT JASON DID ONLY HIGHER DOSES AND OFCOURSE BACK THEN....PHARMA EVERYTHING

gh15 approved

[El Diablo Blanco]

NO! THIS IS COMPLET AND UTTER NONESENSE! THIS IS STRAIGHT OUT NOT TRUE,, IT IS WATER WE HOLD AND IT IS REDUCED BY THE HOURS AND DAYS VAND IT IS DONE FAST,, YES WE EAT CLEANER WE GO FISH AND RICE BUT! IT IS WATER WE LOSE ,, YOU DONT LOSE NO FAT IN 4 WEEKS MAYBE 1-2 % WHAT WE LOSE IS THE FUCKIN WATER WEIGHT,, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS FELLA PICTURE THE ONE YOU JSUT PUT DOWN ....HE IS WHAT REAL BODYBUILLDER LOOK LIKE!!! TAKE A LOOK AT HIM PUT IT NEXT TO JASON PICTURE FROM AGE 20....AND YOU WILL SEE THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT JASON DID ONLY HIGHER DOSES AND OFCOURSE BACK THEN....PHARMA EVERYTHING

gh15 approved

Come on Nasser.  A fat bodybuilder claiming it's water and not fat is like a big fat lady saying she has big bones or that it's a thyroid problem.  You saw the Heath guest posing right?  That is not just water.  That boy got fat.  Maybe egytpian camels can hold 50 liters of water but american black males don't.

[tbombz]

Come on Nasser.  A fat bodybuilder claiming it's water and not fat is like a big fat lady saying she has big bones or that it's a thyroid problem.  You saw the Heath guest posing right?  That is not just water.  That boy got fat.  Maybe egytpian camels can hold 50 liters of water but american black males don't.

post the pics where you think phil was fat.

[tbombz]

for anyone else arguing gh15's estimates are wrong, post an example of it, include a picture of the person assessed, gh15's assessment, and what you think the accurate bodyfat% is.

[Abacab]

So is this hormone based water retention or just plain fat? Both? Is there 15% bodyfat hiding under the bloated outer shell?

[BiGHer]

So is this hormone based water retention or just plain fat? Both? Is there 15% bodyfat hiding under the bloated outer shell?

1) You didn't do as TBombz asked.  He said post a pic of someone gh15 assessed.
2) This is an example of what happens when you are fat to begin with and then jump on long esthers of hormones.  This guys has muscle, fat, and water retention.
3) We were all discussing bodybuilders, even naturals to some degree, and you come in with this garbage.  Please contribute something of value to this thread or don't contribute.

[Swlabr]

That's Liar Priest, bro...

[cephissus]

What bullshit.  You ever see "offseason" bodybuilders guest posing looking like the fucking michelin man?  That is not just water but fat.  Do you think Heath or Cutler show up for a guest posing without ingesting a shit load of diuretics so they don't look 1/2 as bad?

You think Cutler magically takes 20 water pills the night before the Olympia and is ripped and ready to go? 

Sure they are holding water but a lot of these fuckers get FAT, then they up the dosage and "diet" down.

Actually this is an interesting point.  If it's mostly water retention and they are still 6-8% bf, why don't they just take a diuretic before guest posing so they don't look like a huge pile of shit?  Shouldn't be too hard, right?  Or is it? Or is there some other motive which escapes me?

[BiGHer]

That's Liar Priest, bro...

It may very well be, but I wasn't commenting on anything to do with who is in the picture.  I was just talking about what is going on in the picture and how it wasn't at all what TBombz requested.