This guy claims NATURAL - 7 year progress

[merrill1973]

He could easily be natural.. Good genetics and 7 years of training...

[devilsmile]

you have seriously no clue what you are talking about.

22, 27 or 34 he ain't natural.

after 3-5 years of training you ain't growing.

Give me scientific proof, "Galvatron", and don't copy paste anything, give me your own words... you insist you know what you are talking about  

[Siimply]

Devilsmile the skinny twink you're right he's natural.

[#1 Klaus fan]

after 3-5 years of training you ain't growing.

I really doubt it. After 3 years a trainer has just build the work capacity to do some real, heavy duty liftin'!

[Galvatron]

Give me scientific proof and don't copy paste anything, give me your own words... I'm waiting..

i already gave you my own words based on my own experience and talking to (and reading) a bunch of other experienced lifters.

if you want you can go and track down studies on pubmed where they have analysed lean body mass (fat free mass) in a bunch of bodybuilders.

[SF1900]

utter crap

hahaha, sure!  

there is definitely a different look from a 35 year old body to a 21 year old body. Its just the way it is. Most 21 year olds are not going to have the muscularity of a 35 year old. Its simple biology.

I never said he was definitely natural. I said its more plausible given his age. Read what I write. And i stand by what I said.

[Galvatron]

I really doubt it. After 3 years a trainer has just build the work capacity to do some real, heavy duty liftin'!

3 years of serious training i would say 90% of the gains you will ever get

2 more years to basically max out everything

[devilsmile]

Devilsmile the skinny twink you're right he's natural.

I don't know IS he natural! But the thread was started like; "Look, this guy claims to be natural, but he is not because I are from galaxy negulibra ugatron! Hear my truth!"

"HE IS NOT NATURAL, OK LOCK THIS THREAD NOW SO THAT NOONE CAN REPLY!", fuck I care if he is or not. I told you! I spesificly stated that he could be natural and explained how could that be the case, or he could be on whatever shit, I do not care !

[Galvatron]

hahaha, sure!  

there is definitely a different look from a 35 year old body to a 21 year old body. Its just the way it is. Most 21 year olds are not going to have the muscularity of a 35 year old. Its simple biology.

that is not the  (my) point you idiot

[SF1900]

that is not the  (my) point you idiot

um yes it is! my point was that it is more plausible that a 35 year old can look like that naturally compared to a 21 year old. You seemed to have missed the point, you idiot.

okay, so then please explicitly explain YOUR point1

[Siimply]

I don't know IS he natural! But the thread was started like; "Look, this guy claims to be natural, but he is not because I are from galaxy negulibra ugatron! Hear my truth!"

"HE IS NOT NATURAL, OK LOCK THIS THREAD NOW SO THAT NOONE CAN REPLY!", fuck I care if he is or not. I told you! I spesificly stated that he could be natural and explained how could that be the case, or he could be on whatever shit, I do not care !

Alright, point understood

[Galvatron]

um yes it is! my point was that it is more plausible that a 35 year old can look like that naturally compared to a 21 year old. You seemed to have missed the point, you idiot.

you don't get it do you?

....this guy isn't natural no matter if he is 35 or 23. so his age is irrelevant in this case as he states that he has been training 3 years in one of the pics and 7 years in the other pic.

[devilsmile]

um yes it is! my point was that it is more plausible that a 35 year old can look like that naturally compared to a 21 year old. You seemed to have missed the point, you idiot.

okay, so then please explicitly explain YOUR point1

A bigger guy told me in the gym, that the best gains he got was when he was in his 30's. The "base" is actually all the years you have trained when you were younger, but the muscle maturity comes into play when you're 30.

That's what he said. Galvatron does not CAAAARE what I believe in, but he tryes to convinse me to think like he does, only at 100 and so posts. He is new to the internet, lets just give him this debate.

[aesthetics]

the amount of effort it takes to keep growing after 5 years of serious training isn't even worth it. you are already at 90% of your genetic max at that point and your body is resisting putting on any more muscle so you would need perfect diet, training and complete dedication in order to put on the extra 1 pound of lbm over the course of the entire year. that's not even a measurable amount but requires buddhist monk like dedication to lifting every day with perfect diet - no one does that who isn't already on gear

[aesthetics]

A bigger guy told me in the gym, that the best gains he got was when he was in his 30's. The "base" is actually all the years you have trained when you were younger, but the muscle maturity comes into play when you're 30.

That's what he said. Galvatron does not CAAAARE what I believe in, but he tryes to convinse me to think like he does, only at 100 and so posts. He is new to the internet, lets just give him this debate.

thats a crock of shit and muscle maturity means nothing

[SF1900]

A bigger guy told me in the gym, that the best gains he got was when he was in his 30's. The "base" is actually all the years you have trained when you were younger, but the muscle maturity comes into play when you're 30.

That's what he said. Galvatron does not CAAAARE what I believe in, but he tryes to convinse me to think like he does, only at 100 and so posts. He is new to the internet, lets just give him this debate.

I agree.
Galvatron claims age doesn't matter, but I disagree. So, why is it so hard to believe that he built a solid foundation in his 20's, then made some really good gains in his 30's to look like that.  Now I am not saying he is 100% natural, but I am also not saying he is on hormones. All I am saying is that if someone built a good foundation, and is now in there 30's, gains are still possible ( I am not saying massive gains either). Maybe even to the extent we see in this pic.

[SF1900]

the amount of effort it takes to keep growing after 5 years of serious training isn't even worth it. you are already at 90% of your genetic max at that point and your body is resisting putting on any more muscle so you would need perfect diet, training and complete dedication in order to put on the extra 1 pound of lbm over the course of the entire year. that's not even a measurable amount but requires buddhist monk like dedication to lifting every day with perfect diet - no one does that who isn't already on gear

Can you provide any support of this claim?

[Galvatron]

A bigger guy told me in the gym, that the best gains he got was when he was in his 30's. The "base" is actually all the years you have trained when you were younger, but the muscle maturity comes into play when you're 30.

That's what he said. Galvatron does not CAAAARE what I believe in, but he tryes to convinse me to think like he does, only at 100 and so posts. He is new to the internet, lets just give him this debate.

the guy is just lying to himself...either he got fat or he dieted down which gave the illusion that he was bigger. he surely wasn't gaining lean mass as a  natural if he had been training seriously for many years. lots of people like to lie to themselves in this way tho.


or he forgot to mention to you all the drugs he is taking.

[aesthetics]

Can you provide any support of this claim?

yeah, if you can suck my dick

[dyslexic]

Too bad...


nobody will ever know. It's always speculation around here.


Believing that EVERYONE HAS TO BE ON "HORMONAS" to have ANY decency in their physique is very discouraging. Me? I don't care. I know what I look like and I know what I can do naturally and what I can do *on*


It's the "goolible" fools (wrong word) it's the naivety and desire to have a physique that you cannot possibly attain naturally and all the lying that goes on that bothers me ~ we are talking about kids, teens, whatever.


It's not just in bodybuilding, but lying to the kids where in the end it hurts them is just wrong.. at the same time, telling them that they cannot possibly attain anything short of spectacular "naturally" is also wrong.


We all know guys that we have worked out with for years. We get to know them well enough that we know they wouldn't touch anything even if you jammed it down their throats or in their asses (don't get too excited homos)


There are indeed some amazing natural physiques, they just aren't very common, so when one is presented, we have a rough time believing that it is possible.


Ever seen the thugs in So Cal on a street that a white boy shouldn't even be on? How about Compton or Lynwood? I've seen some of these gun-totin' -dope sellin' thugs sporting fantastic genetics. Yeah, they work out if they get sent up, but seriously? It's all genetics. They don't even come close to eating a bodybuilders diet or working out routinely.

Ive seen them with their gold chains and teeth glistening in the sun ready to shoot me at the stop sign, and I'm thinkin' : You fuck, you could be a Mr. O contender with those damn natural genetics.

Point is: they are out there, and the ones I've seen are predominantly black.


No, Im not a homo

No, I don't live in the hood

No, I don't do dope

No, I don't worship black men, fact is, they dominate the Mr. O stage when they want to.



Deal with it.

[aesthetics]

if you have been training "seriously" (it's in quotes for a reason) for 5 years and you haven't hit 90% of your genetic max, then your definition of "serious training" is probably the equivalent of jerking off with some wrist weights or you have the natural testosterone levels of a 5 year old girl. either way, you are a monumental failure, even jason genova is a better bodybuilder than you.

[devilsmile]

the guy is just lying to himself...either he got fat or he dieted down which gave the illusion that he was bigger. he surely wasn't gaining lean mass as a  natural if he had been training seriously for many years. lots of people like to lie to themselves in this way tho.


or he forgot to mention to you all the drugs he is taking.

Lol, what? You're on meth right now aren't you. you assume that some guy you don't know assumes that he assumed that he trained in some way

LOL you are just biased.

have fun with yourself here, troll.

[SF1900]

yeah, if you can suck my dick

Oh brotha! So, get into a debate, then when asked for proof, attack person. Yeah, so awesome. 

[Krankenstein]

Lol he's definitely natural  .  Here we go again kids... Let me explain how the next 4 pages of threads will go:

- It'll start just like this by pointing out the obvious that he is indeed not natural.
- GetBigs natural all stars will all come swarming like sharks with blood in the water explaining that everyone who thinks he isn't natural is just lazy and that this physique can easily be achieved but that guys on gear just don't understand because they don't diet or train nearly as hard as any of they do.
- Then the gh15 crew will come in and bring up about 100 fairly decent points with pictures to back them including the obvious liar Layne Norton.
- Arguments between the gh15 crew and natural all stars will then continue about what genetic potential really is, what the meaning of "natural" really is, and how there are actually a few natural "exceptions" out there and somehow every natural thinks they are that exception.
- Now in comes gh15.  He will make solid points by pointing out different things in the photo that clearly point to drug use.
- Natural all stars are now furious.  their god Layne Norton has been smited and now a posting argument between all of them and gh15 ensues.
- Eventually, gh15 gets tired of responding to the usual BS and stops.  A few more comments are made and the thread dies out...

End this thread now... until next time GetBiggers!!!

Then we run a train on your mom and she is once again happy

[wes]