Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.

[Soul Crusher]

But he was...he didnt go looking for a fight.. he went looking for juice and skittles...
Who was the one to initiated contact... cmon..this aint that tough..

FNG clueless.

[Option D]

FNG clueless.

Awesome imput

[Fury]

Sure the fuck doesnt.... Swelling happens almost instantly. And this isnt coming from someone who played 4 years of college football... this is from someone who watches boxing.. Someone gets socked and that shit swells inbetween rounds.... Tha fuck?

It sure the fuck does. Ever kicked bone-on-bone in martial arts? It takes more than a minute or two to welt up when it's the bone. You're talking about swelling on the face and around the eyes when there is nothing to swell on the back of the head. It's going to welt and that's going to take more than 3 minutes to come out. Certainly won't be able to tell when it's covered in blood.

Nevermind, Zimmerman tripped while walking back to his car, did a 180 in the air and landed on the back of his head....5 times.

[Straw Man]

Sure the fuck doesnt.... Swelling happens almost instantly. And this isnt coming from someone who played 4 years of college football... this is from someone who watches boxing.. Someone gets socked and that shit swells inbetween rounds.... Tha fuck?

exactly and it sure as shit should have been showing by the time he got to the police station

[Straw Man]

I'm sure everyone here at some time in their life had gotten hit on the head or even just bumped their head and had a "lump" or "bump" form almost immediately

I'm talking about something like hitting your head on a cabinet or something minor

nothing like getting your head slammed repeatedly into the concrete

[Shockwave]

But he was...he didnt go looking for a fight.. he went looking for juice and skittles...
Who was the one to initiated contact... cmon..this aint that tough..

Youre arguing morality not legality. Whether it was right or wrong for Zimmerman to follow him isnt this issue, as its not illegal.
Contact isnt illegal. Violence is.
I can yell at you all I want, as soon as you strike me your the one in the wrong. Thats just how it is bro.

[Fury]

I'm sure everyone here at some time in their life had gotten hit on the head or even just bumped their head and had a "lump" or "bump" form almost immediately

I'm talking about something like hitting your head on a cabinet or something minor

nothing like getting your head slammed repeatedly into the concrete

Did you have a lump form when you were bleeding out of the wound? Not likely as the lump comes from the blood pooling between the skin and the bone.

Never had one of those drained, have you? 

[Roger Bacon]

Big Mal and 240 on suicide watch.

 

[Straw Man]

Did you have a lump form when you were bleeding out of the wound? Not likely as the lump comes from the blood pooling between the skin and the bone.

Never had one of those drained, have you? 

I've had very minor cuts on my head that bled a quite a bit.....just like Zimmerman

I've also been hit in the back of the head and had swelling start almost immediately

[Option D]

It sure the fuck does. Ever kicked bone-on-bone in martial arts? It takes more than a minute or two to welt up when it's the bone. You're talking about swelling on the face and around the eyes when there is nothing to swell on the back of the head. It's going to welt and that's going to take more than 3 minutes to come out. Certainly won't be able to tell when it's covered in blood.

Nevermind, Zimmerman tripped while walking back to his car, did a 180 in the air and landed on the back of his head....5 times.

Na... some blood thirsty 175lber was looking for some shit to get into.. the hunt made him hungry and he got the preferred food of savages Skittles and Juice. And just as the hunt was drawing to an end, he found his prey... the rest is history...

[Fury]

Na... some blood thirsty 175lber was looking for some shit to get into.. the hunt made him hungry and he got the preferred food of savages Skittles and Juice. And just as the hunt was drawing to an end, he found his prey... the rest is history...

Yup, he found his prey alright. It appears that Trayvon tried to play the tough guy and got himself shot. C'est la vie.

[Shockwave]

Na... some blood thirsty 175lber was looking for some shit to get into.. the hunt made him hungry and he got the preferred food of savages Skittles and Juice. And just as the hunt was drawing to an end, he found his prey... the rest is history...

Good lord dude your acting like one kid was a saint and the other dude was evil. If Trayvon hadnt escalated the situation to violence (I.E. if he had laughed off the punk-ass mexican and walked away), he'd still be alive and this wouldnt be a story!

[Straw Man]

Good lord dude your acting like one kid was a saint and the other dude was evil. If Trayvon hadnt escalated the situation to violence (I.E. if he had laughed off the punk-ass mexican and walked away), he'd still be alive and this wouldnt be a story!

and how do you know it happened that way

how do you know he wasn't trying to walk or run away and Zimmerman put his hands on him and tried to detain him and at that point Martin tried to defend himself

[Shockwave]

and how do you know it happened that way

how do you know he wasn't trying to walk or run away and Zimmerman put his hands on him and tried to detain him and at that point Martin tried to defend himself

Im going off the story and the evidence released to form my hypothesis (I.E. that Zimmermans story has supporting evidence, the head wounds, TM being found dead on his face shot through the front, the neighbors eyewitness testimony talking about seeing Zimmerman on his back with TM attacking him on top).
And that whole innocent until proven guilty thing.

[Straw Man]

Im going off the story and the evidence released to form my hypothesis (I.E. that Zimmermans story has supporting evidence, the head wounds, TM being found dead on his face shot through the front, the neighbors eyewitness testimony talking about seeing Zimmerman on his back with TM attacking him on top).
And that whole innocent until proven guilty thing.

what evidence supports this claim other than Zimmermans version of what happened

none of what you listed supports any story of the confrontation started or escalated

Also, isn't there  witness that saw Zimmerman get up from on top of Martin right after the shooting?

[Shockwave]

what evidence supports this claim other than Zimmermans version of what happened

none of what you listed supports any story of the confrontation started or escalated

Also, isn't there  witness that saw Zimmerman get up from on top of Martin right after the shooting?

Not that im aware of. There may be - ive havent really been 100% keeping up with the case.
Like I said - innocent until proven guilty. Not enough evidence to suggest Zimmermans story is fabricated. Evidence from eyewitness' corroborating his story.
There is no 100% proof smoking gun positive that his story is completely true. But there IS evidence supporting most of it and next to zero against it.
Thats where my hypothesis comes from.

[Soul Crusher]

Bond Hearing Testimony Reveals Huge Hole In State's Case Against George Zimmerman !
Sun-Sentinel ^ | Vanity

Posted on Friday, April 20, 2012 11:54:37 AM by MindBender26

Among all the coverage of Zimmerman being granted bail, most reporters are missing the most important detail of the day. The State's investigator admitted, under oath, that they have no way to disprove Zimmerman's claim that Trayvon Martin started the flight and assaulted him.


The details are buried deep in the story, but they are crucial:


Gilbreath is the State's Investigator:
O'Mara is Zimmerman's attorney:


(from the story)

"During further questioning by O'Mara, Gilbreath admitted that the state has no evidence who started the fight. There is also no evidence that Zimmerman didn't walk back to his car after chasing Martin on foot, as the defendant has claimed."

That speaks to, make that screams Stand Your Ground, and combined with new pictures of a bleeding and battered Zimmerman taken three minutes after the police arrived, it's all becoming so very clear to legal observers that Zimmerman walks on a SYG motion or at the least a SD verdict.


(Excerpt) Read more at southflorida.sun-sentinel.com ...

[Shockwave]

Bond Hearing Testimony Reveals Huge Hole In State's Case Against George Zimmerman !
Sun-Sentinel ^ | Vanity

Posted on Friday, April 20, 2012 11:54:37 AM by MindBender26

Among all the coverage of Zimmerman being granted bail, most reporters are missing the most important detail of the day. The State's investigator admitted, under oath, that they have no way to disprove Zimmerman's claim that Trayvon Martin started the flight and assaulted him.


The details are buried deep in the story, but they are crucial:


Gilbreath is the State's Investigator:
O'Mara is Zimmerman's attorney:


(from the story)

"During further questioning by O'Mara, Gilbreath admitted that the state has no evidence who started the fight. There is also no evidence that Zimmerman didn't walk back to his car after chasing Martin on foot, as the defendant has claimed."

That speaks to, make that screams Stand Your Ground, and combined with new pictures of a bleeding and battered Zimmerman taken three minutes after the police arrived, it's all becoming so very clear to legal observers that Zimmerman walks on a SYG motion or at the least a SD verdict.


(Excerpt) Read more at southflorida.sun-sentinel.com ...

And therein lies the rub. There isnt enough evidence to disprove his story (if any), and theres plenty corroborating other parts of his story. I think theyre gonna have a hard time convicting him.

[240 is Back]

he bled pretty badly.  alcohol thins the blood a lot.

despite his history of alcohol abuse and stae-ordered counseling, they didn't test his BAC levels.  

he slurred his words a bit (or he has 80 IQ, could be that too).  

Also it was a sunday night in the projects and he's coming home from target in Florida.  yeah, dude had a few drinks in him, let's be honest.

[Shockwave]

he bled pretty badly.  alcohol thins the blood a lot.

despite his history of alcohol abuse and stae-ordered counseling, they didn't test his BAC levels.  

he slurred his words a bit (or he has 80 IQ, could be that too).  

Also it was a sunday night in the projects and he's coming home from target in Florida.  yeah, dude had a few drinks in him, let's be honest.

How in the holy fuck did you make the leap of logic from "history of alcohol abuse" (how much history by the way? How many offenses?) to "coming home from target = had drinks in him"?
Your making a HUGE logical leap with NO evidence substantiating anything.
And then saying "yeah, dude had a few drinks. Cause he was coming home from target." Jesus fucking Christ.
You realize you can get state ordered counseling from 1 DUI right?

[Soul Crusher]

How in the holy fuck did you make the leap of logic from "history of alcohol abuse" to "coming home from target = had drinks in him"?
Your making a HUGE logical leap with NO evidence substantiating anything.
And then saying "yeah, dude had a few drinks. Cause he was coming home from target." Jesus fucking Christ.

180 , straw, option FAIL, andre, blackss, benny - are all on the ledge at being embarrassed once again. 

[240 is Back]

he should have been tested for BAC after the shooting.  He was not.

After felony assault on LEO a few years back, the state required him to take alcohol counseling.  FACT.

[Shockwave]

180 , straw, option FAIL, andre, blackss, benny - are all on the ledge at being embarrassed once again. 

Jesus dude.
You know how I know Zimmerman was drunk? Cause he was coming home from target. Duh. Since they didnt test him, and he was driving home from target, he was clearly drunk.
Not that the cops would have been able to tell if alcohol had been involved or not, cause pretty much every officer Ive ever met can tell instantly from talking to a person (breath and actions) if he's had some drinks.

 

Christ 240, way to make yourself sound like a total moron.

[Shockwave]

he should have been tested for BAC after the shooting.  He was not.

After felony assault on LEO a few years back, the state required him to take alcohol counseling.  FACT.

Not being tested =/= him using alcohol!
Christ! If the officers thought there was alcohol involved they would have tested, either based on smell from his breath or actions. If there is no signs of impairment - guess what, they dont test.

[Fury]

he bled pretty badly.  alcohol thins the blood a lot.

despite his history of alcohol abuse and stae-ordered counseling, they didn't test his BAC levels.  

he slurred his words a bit (or he has 80 IQ, could be that too).  

Also it was a sunday night in the projects and he's coming home from target in Florida.  yeah, dude had a few drinks in him, let's be honest.

The projects? It's a gated community.  

You can't successfully back-up any of those claims.