Romney: We Don’t Need ‘More FIREMEN, More POLICEMEN, More TEACHERS’

[whork]

Right. Trickle down economics worked under Reagan and both Bushes, then Clinton came a long and crashed the economy.

Not extending = raising.

If things aren't balanced on the backs of the working and the poor, and anyone points it out, that's "class warfare".

Did I miss anything?

No you got it
Right wing economics one-on-one

[whork]

Holy shit. I just read this thread and 33 and beachbum still have the tunnelvision of a fat kid in a candy store.
240 spelled it out 3 or 4 times for you idiots and you still went back to "So you want more govt employees"!!!!
Wheres the balance on this board? Only a few here can look past limbaughs bullshit rants and see the middle road...something that works for everyone..GOOD GAWD.

And the guy is a Moderator go figure

[GigantorX]

Wait....

If the govt. isn't keeping in place the current tax rates and will instead let them "Expire".....tax rates go up, right?

Sounds like a tax hike to me.

[240 is Back]

Wait....

If the govt. isn't keeping in place the current tax rates and will instead let them "Expire".....tax rates go up, right?

Sounds like a tax hike to me.

McDonalds can issue a coupon which gives 50% off cheeseburgers.

When the coupon expires, does mcdonalds raise prices?  of course not.  Menu still the same.
They just stop offering certain specials to certain people.

I love it how repubs won the bush tax cuts for 6 years or whatever, and suddenly they're ENTITLED to it forever.  I though only dems were into that entitlement thing, and repubs owned victimhood?

[GigantorX]

McDonalds can issue a coupon which gives 50% off cheeseburgers.

When the coupon expires, does mcdonalds raise prices?  of course not.  Menu still the same.
They just stop offering certain specials to certain people.

I love it how repubs won the bush tax cuts for 6 years or whatever, and suddenly they're ENTITLED to it forever.  I though only dems were into that entitlement thing, and repubs owned victimhood?

No. The tax cuts weren't coupons for cheeseburgers offered at McDonald's. Not a good example.

These are tax hikes. If Obama lets the payroll tax cut expire, that's a tax hike as my taxes increase. If the "Bush Tax Cuts" are left to expire, my taxes go up, thus it's a tax hike.

It is a dumb semantic argument, but our taxes will go way up, thus it's a tax hike. Pretending it isn't a tax hike, spinning really bad semantic arguments and the like doesn't magically make my taxes not go up when these provisions are cut.

Period.

[whork]

McDonalds can issue a coupon which gives 50% off cheeseburgers.

When the coupon expires, does mcdonalds raise prices?  of course not.  Menu still the same.
They just stop offering certain specials to certain people.

I love it how repubs won the bush tax cuts for 6 years or whatever, and suddenly they're ENTITLED to it forever.  I though only dems were into that entitlement thing, and repubs owned victimhood?

The repub's whole purpose is to give tax breaks to the rich who dont need it and send the poor of to die in wars, all behind words like freedom and patriotism.

[240 is Back]

No. The tax cuts weren't coupons for cheeseburgers offered at McDonald's. Not a good example.

These are tax hikes. If Obama lets the payroll tax cut expire, that's a tax hike as my taxes increase. If the "Bush Tax Cuts" are left to expire, my taxes go up, thus it's a tax hike.

It is a dumb semantic argument, but our taxes will go way up, thus it's a tax hike. Pretending it isn't a tax hike, spinning really bad semantic arguments and the like doesn't magically make my taxes not go up when these provisions are cut.

Period.

In taht case,

When Bush let the Brady Bill Assault weapons ban EXPIRE, was he "granting Americans new gun rights"?

No.  He was simply returning them to where they were before Clinton restricted them in 94.

Bush did NOTHING and rights improved.
Just as Obama does NOTHING and lets the bill expire, and wealth goes down.

The effect sucks, but calling it a "hike" - you'd have to say Bush "hiked" or increased gun rights.  He did nothing.  A bill expired and he didn't act.

[dario73]

The repub's whole purpose is to give tax breaks to the rich who dont need it and send the poor of to die in wars, all behind words like freedom and patriotism.

Why would I? im not Obamas spin master.

[dario73]

In taht case,

When Bush let the Brady Bill Assault weapons ban EXPIRE, was he "granting Americans new gun rights"?

No.  He was simply returning them to where they were before Clinton restricted them in 94.

Bush did NOTHING and rights improved.
Just as Obama does NOTHING and lets the bill expire, and wealth goes down.

The effect sucks, but calling it a "hike" - you'd have to say Bush "hiked" or increased gun rights.  He did nothing.  A bill expired and he didn't act.

I dare you to read this post again and not laugh at yourself. HEHEHEHE!!

[240 is Back]

I dare you to read this post again and not laugh at yourself. HEHEHEHE!!

I agree it's pretty shitty for obama to let them expire - although one could argue they've had a decade with these breaks, and they've moved jobs overseas, bought yen and gold with the tax $.

They've had the extra $.  They're hoarding it. They're not building US mnfg or other industiries.  They're putting up plants in CHina.

So really, I've said it for years - YES extend the Bush tax cuts - but ONLY to those components of businesses that keep the work IN THE USA.   If 45% of your business takes place on US soil with US workers, then you enjoy 45% of the potential maximum bush tax cut benefits.

Watch how fast they bring business back to the USA.  Stop rewarding the ccuunnttss who take the bush tax cuts to buy foreign currency and move jobs overseas.

[GigantorX]

In taht case,

When Bush let the Brady Bill Assault weapons ban EXPIRE, was he "granting Americans new gun rights"?

No.  He was simply returning them to where they were before Clinton restricted them in 94.

Bush did NOTHING and rights improved.
Just as Obama does NOTHING and lets the bill expire, and wealth goes down.

The effect sucks, but calling it a "hike" - you'd have to say Bush "hiked" or increased gun rights.  He did nothing.  A bill expired and he didn't act.

Another poor example.

This isn't about assault rifle availability or cheeseburgers or whatever, it's about our taxes going up.

After all is said and done you have to ask the question: "Did our taxes go up?" The answer will be, "YES".

[240 is Back]

oh, so NET EFFECT is all that matters - not the actions or inacitons of the president?

[Shockwave]

oh, so NET EFFECT is all that matters - not the actions or inacitons of the president?

Youre attempts at trolling are getting sad.
If youre actually serious... well... 

[GigantorX]

oh, so NET EFFECT is all that matters - not the actions or inacitons of the president?

I pay 20% in taxes and 6 months from now I pay 35% in taxes. That's a tax increase.

If The Pres/Congress haggle and bitch and the current tax rates expire, well, they go up. Hence and tax hike.

Cheeseburgers and assault rifles are terrible examples to use when comparing to tax rates. I don't have to buy a cheeseburger from McDonald's and I don't have to buy an assault rifle, not now, not tomorrow and not every paycheck.

What I do have to do every payday is pay my taxes and if I don't I am hunted down and penalized. Taxes aren't voluntary.

[240 is Back]

the EFFECT is a tax increase.  But it's not the ACTION of obama that caused it.

Congress introduced and approved a SHORT TERM tax CUT bill.

THey could have intro'd a 10-year bill.  They didn't.  it was a short-term special.  it wasn't the new standard baseline level.  It was a cut, a temporary reduciton by definition.

[GigantorX]

the EFFECT is a tax increase.  But it's not the ACTION of obama that caused it.

Congress introduced and approved a SHORT TERM tax CUT bill.

THey could have intro'd a 10-year bill.  They didn't.  it was a short-term special.  it wasn't the new standard baseline level.  It was a cut, a temporary reduciton by definition.

 

Wow! So no tax increase? So when these bills and rates expire my tax bill won't go up!?!?!?!?!? WOW!

[whork]

Yes?

[240 is Back]

Wow! So no tax increase? So when these bills and rates expire my tax bill won't go up!?!?!?!?!? WOW!

tax increase is the effect.  the cause?  Repub and dems in congress signed a short-term bill.

it's obama's fault the repub's okay'd a short-term bill?

[GigantorX]

tax increase is the effect.  the cause?  Repub and dems in congress signed a short-term bill.

it's obama's fault the repub's okay'd a short-term bill?

Oh man....

Just forget it.

[Soul Crusher]

The fact is that the same tax rates have been in place for 10 YEARS!   And no the tax cuts are not the cause of the deficit now since for most of bush' presidency, the deficit was not nearly as bad as it is now.  The issue is SPENDING! 

[OzmO]

Can't we all just agree that this will an election of 2 TURDS?

[Soul Crusher]

Where I live, when there is a little fender bender, you have 3 cop cars, two firetrucks, 2 paramedics all showing up.   Its INSANE.

We do not need more cops.    That is the LAST thing we need.     

[tu_holmes]

Can't we all just agree that this will an election of 2 TURDS?

Of course it is... but we certainly don't need MORE cops.

That's a true statement.

[240 is Back]

spending is the problem.  but neitehr candidate is going to reign that in.

[tu_holmes]

spending is the problem.  but neitehr candidate is going to reign that in.

Absolutely 100 percent true.